The issue that will lose the next election for the Democrats

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tl;dr for the mental midgets: The democrats embrace of open borders, legalizing millions of illegals will push voters further right, thus costing them any chance at beating Trump in 2020

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligence...uld-lose-the-next-election-for-democrats.html

Andrew Sullivan: The Issue That Could Lose the Next Election for Democrats
I don’t believe it’s disputable at this point that the most potent issue behind the rise of the far right in America and Europe is mass immigration. It’s a core reason that Trump is now president; it’s why the AfD is now the third-biggest party in the German, yes, German, parliament; it’s why Austria’s new chancellor won by co-opting much of the far right’s agenda on immigration; it’s why Britain is attempting (and currently failing) to leave the EU; it’s why Marine Le Pen won a record number of votes for her party in France this spring. A critical moment, in retrospect, came with Angela Merkel’s 2015 decision to import over a million Syrian refugees into the heart of Europe. I’ve no doubt her heart was in the right place, but the political naïveté was stunning. How distant from the lives and views of most people does an elite have to be to see nothing to worry about from such drastic social and cultural change? Michael Brendan Dougherty elegantly explains here the dynamic that followed. There are now new borders and fences going up all over Europe, as a response to Merkel’s blithe misjudgment.

  • You would think that parties of the center-left would grapple with this existential threat to their political viability. And some have. One reason Britain’s Labour Party has done well in the last couple of years is that it has recognized the legitimacy of the issue. During the Brexit referendum, their leader, Jeremy Corbyn, expressed ambivalence toward remaining in the EU, careful not to lose his working-class base to the Europhobic right, recognizing the fears so many of his own supporters had about the impact of mass immigration on their lives, jobs, and culture. Even someone as leftist as Corbyn chose to be a pragmatist, trying to gain power, rather than a purist who might otherwise condemn his own voters as deplorable. And this is one reason why I have dwindling hopes that the Democratic Party will be able to defeat Trump in 2020. Instead of adjusting to this new reality, and listening to the electorate, the Dems have moved ever farther to the left, and are controlled by ever-radicalizing activists. There’s a nuanced, smart — and shockingly honest — piece in Vox by Dara Lind about this. Money quote:

    For Democrats, it’s been a simple calculus. Democrats’ attempts at “tough love” centrism didn’t win them any credit across the aisle, while an increasingly empowered immigrant-rights movement started calling them to task for the adverse consequences of enforcement policies. Democrats learned to ignore the critics on the right they couldn’t please, and embrace the critics on the left who they could.

    Lind is right about the perverse politics of Obama’s centrism. He ramped up enforcement on the border and deportations … only to get nothing from the GOP in return. The right dismissed his toughness, while the left resented it. But it’s also true that Obama never truly bragged about his tough-on-illegal-immigrants stance, or campaigned on it, or emphasized it, when addressing the country as a whole. He couldn’t bring himself to boast about deportations, which is to his credit. But it’s hard to use tougher enforcement as leverage for a pathway to citizenship for those already here when you keep silent about it. The activist reaction — a rejection of most immigration enforcement or, with sanctuary cities, an open defiance of it — just makes this worse and renders a sane immigration compromise even more remote. Sure, the Latino activists are not the most to blame. The GOP base spent the last few years resisting any measure that could balance tougher border security and law enforcement with a path to citizenship. But when a glimmer of hope emerged recently with a potential Schumer-Pelosi-Trump deal on DACA, the Dreamer activists united with Stephen Miller to kill it. Lind spells out the state of play:

    Democrats in 2017, in general, tend to criticize the use of immigration enforcement, and tend to side with those accused of violating immigration law, as a broad matter of principle beyond opposing the particular actions of the administration … Democrats are no longer as willing to attack “illegal immigration” as a fundamental problem anymore.

    This is, to be blunt, political suicide. The Democrats’ current position seems to be that the Dreamer parents who broke the law are near heroes, indistinguishable from the children they brought with them; and their rhetoric is very hard to distinguish, certainly for most swing voters, from a belief in open borders. In fact, the Democrats increasingly seem to suggest that any kind of distinction between citizens and noncitizens is somehow racist. You could see this at the last convention, when an entire evening was dedicated to Latinos, illegal and legal, as if the rule of law were largely irrelevant. Hence the euphemism “undocumented” rather than “illegal.” So the stage was built, lit, and set for Trump.

    He still tragically owns that stage. What Merkel did for the AfD, the Democrats are in danger of doing for the Trump wing of the GOP. The most powerful thing Trump said in the campaign, I’d argue, was: “If you don’t have borders, you don’t have a country.” And the Democrats had no answer, something that millions of Americans immediately saw. They still formally favor enforcement of immigration laws, but rhetorically, they keep signaling the opposite. Here is Dylan Matthews, also in Vox, expressing the emerging liberal consensus: “Personally, I think any center-left party worth its salt has to be deeply committed to egalitarianism, not just for people born in the U.S. but for everyone … It means treating people born outside the U.S. as equals … And it means a strong presumption in favor of open immigration.” Here’s Zack Beauchamp, a liberal friend of mine: “What if I told you that immigration restrictionism is and always has been racist?” Borders themselves are racist? Seriously?

    The entire concept of a nation whose citizens solely determine its future — the core foundation for any viable democracy at all — is now deemed by many left-liberals to be a function of bigotry. This is the kind of madness that could keep them from power indefinitely.


    For me, as regular readers know, few things seem as ominous as the fate of free speech in the West. In democratic countries without a First Amendment, writers and speakers are now routinely hauled into court for hurting someone’s feelings or violating some new PC edict. In Canada, it is now a crime to use pronouns that have served the English language well enough for centuries, if you are not careful. You are compelled by law to say “ze” or “xe” or “ve” or an endlessly proliferating litany of gobbledygook— “(f)aer,” “e/ey,” “perself” — invented out of thin air by postmodern transgenderists. Justin Trudeau doesn’t just want you to be criminalized for saying things he regards as “hate,” he wants to use the criminal law to force you to say things you don’t believe in and can’t even remember.

    In Britain, meanwhile, it is now a criminal offense to post something on social media that “is perceived by the victim or any other person, to be motivated by hostility or prejudice.” “Hostility” is defined thus: “ill-will, spite, contempt, prejudice, unfriendliness, antagonism, resentment and dislike.” In other words, if you “dislike” some idea, and someone else asserts your view is driven by “unfriendliness” to a member of a minority, you are breaking the law. There is effectively no free speech left in the U.K. that isn’t subject to a criminal veto by someone seeking to make trouble or permanently primed to take offense. And that is not to speak of the chilling effect such laws have on others too intimidated to open their mouths at all.

    In America, thanks to Thomas Jefferson et al., such policing of minds and thoughts by the government is forbidden. So the illiberal left and reactionary right find other ways. Our president believes “it’s frankly disgusting the way the press is able to write whatever they want to write.” He also thinks he can coerce people into saying “Merry Christmas” or standing for the national anthem. (I’ve decided to reverse my previous custom and always say “Happy Holidays” and always kneel for the anthem.) The GOP candidate for the Senate from Alabama — supported by every other GOP senator — believes that NFL players are actually breaking the law by using their First Amendment rights, and that Muslims should be barred from public office. And then the worst news on this front all year: “Nearly half of voters, 46 percent, believe the news media fabricate news stories about President Donald Trump and his administration.” That rises to 76 percent of Republicans. Twenty-eight percent of all voters — and 46 percent of Republicans — believe that the government should be able to remove the licenses from outlets that criticize the president. The First Amendment lives; but the beliefs and practices and norms that buttress it are atrophying very fast.

    Many now demand, for example, that young-adult fiction conform to their ideology … or they will destroy a book before it is even published and before they have even read it. That just happened to a book written by Laura Moriarty, called American Heart, which was subjected to a social-media version of book-burning. Kirkus originally gave the book a glowing review, and then retracted it under pressure, then got the reviewer to rewrite it. Vulture interviewed the editor of Kirkus Reviews about the flap. Money quote:

    “Obviously we don’t like having to make corrections after the publication of a review,” [Kirkus’s editor-in-chief Claiborne Smith] adds. “The plan is to beef up our editing of reviews in this section, to have further eyes before it goes to print.”


    In the future, I ask, is the goal that no problematic book will escape un-called-out?


    “That’s certainly the goal!” Smith says, with the caveat that Kirkus’scritics aren’t infallible. “I mean, we’re human beings.”

    Or look at what happened to a speaker from the ACLU at the College of William & Mary in Virginia a couple of weeks back. She came to give a talk about — yes! — free speech, only to be shouted down by the usual mob, who were at least honest enough to chant: “Liberalism Is White Supremacy,” and “The Revolution Will Not Uphold Your Constitution.” They physically prevented the speaker from even talking one-on-one with those who were interested in a dialogue.

    The unity of the far left and the Trump right on this is as striking as it is depressing. What they share is a contempt for liberal democracy. Truth to both of them is merely an instrument of power. Instead of relying on an open exchange of ideas in order to determine the always-provisional truth, both sides (yes, both sides) insist that they already know the truth and need simply to acquire the power to impose it on everyone else. Somewhere, Thomas Jefferson weeps.


    I wasn’t prepared for Ken Burns’s and Lynn Novick’s documentary on the Vietnam War. I foolishly thought I knew about what happened. And I did, in some abstract way. Buried in my brain were ideas about campus violence, war crimes, and a “Vietnam Syndrome” that my generation of conservatives wanted to overcome. I knew that the Tet Offensive had actually failed in Vietnam but succeeded in destroying America’s will to fight on. I’d listened to late-night drunken rants by Hitchens about Henry Kissinger; I knew the casualties; I had visions from various Oliver Stone movies; I’d visited the Memorial many times; I’d read histories; I’d even written about the lingering divides in America that stem from that divisive conflict.

    But it was all a series of disconnected scenes and ideas in my head and consciousness. I wasn’t born when Kennedy walked backward into a conflict utterly irrelevant to the security of the United States. I was barely in high school in another country when the war ended. And what the documentary series did for me was to force me to confront the reality of what happened, its enormity, its nihilism, and its architectonic role in precipitating the unraveling of this country. The video images and in-person interviews and the power of the fully elaborated narrative itself affect you more than anything else can. Seeing how a single family was torn apart over the years; watching the staggering videos of unwinnable battles; observing the fathomless agony of the Vietnamese people themselves; seeing their faces contorted with grief or resignation or hatred: This made it human to me for the first time. Sometimes video can distort, but the documentary manages to balance these unforgettable images with enough context to absorb them with understanding as well as horror.

    I wonder if I had watched this documentary before the Iraq War, I might have been able to wrestle free of the confirmation bias and emotional fervor that led me into a decision I’m now deeply ashamed of. I’m ashamed not because I didn’t support the war in good faith; I’m ashamed because I did. And it took a willful blindness to push out of my consciousness what this documentary insists upon: the way patriotism can easily morph into nationalism and nationalism can segue all too easily into carnage. No, this does not make me a pacifist. But it does make me much, much leerier of war in all its forms, and of the hideous lessons of originally noble intentions. And if the combination of LBJ and Vietnam gave us such horror, it’s had to imagine what Trump could mindlessly provoke with North Korea, a power with nuclear weapons.

    On that cheerful note, see you next Friday.
 
Nope. I’m going tell you this Right now the polls are tied up in the Alabama Senate race if the Democrats win that race and a possible everything is gone get flipped on his head Republicans are going to hit the panic button very fast and note that is not a moderate running in Alabama he’s actually a real liberal. Also Democrats have been picking up a lot of state Senate seats and House seats.
 
It is the reason why the GOP would lose. The problem is that
the corporate Democrats so love Trump's agenda that they
would rather fight the progressive left than Challenge Trump.

The only reason why the Democrats will lose is that Obama
saddled the party with a corporate Democrat as it DNC
chairman. The fellow has been completely reticent as Trump
has run amok. The result now is that the Democratic base
is as dispirited as it was in the days of the whiny leadership
of Dick Gephardt. Last week, the corporate Democrats lamented
that the depleted state of their coffers may render the unable
to fight the GOP in the midterms... The fault is nobody's but
the Clinton/Obama wing of the party. Instead of putting up
a principled and organised fight against Trump, their head
did a disappearing act.
 
What you forget is that more people voted Democrat in the last
elections. What has not happened is that we have not had a
Howard Dean type of DNC chair to rally the troop, make it
possible for Pelosi, Harry Reid and Obama to rise to the top
of the political order.
 
if the Democrats try and play republican light, they will lose. Simple as that. Young folks are NOT voting for this some time Republican bullshit Perez is trying to repackage
 
if the Democrats try and play republican light, they will lose. Simple as that. Young folks are NOT voting for this some time Republican bullshit Perez is trying to repackage
Wrong

If Democrats want to win they need to go after the white vote. Which means they turn into republicans.

This entire article proves it. Everyone I know opposed to immigration I ask them when was the last time an immigrant influenced their daily life....never is their answer. Most voters are imbeciles

There's nothing left to be said. Everyone was warned what it would be like if Trump won and here we are. Next stop, tax cuts for the rich and recession for everyone else. On deck, welfare reform to destroy the poor and the disabled.
 
Stupid asses have allowed Republicans to define the immigration narrative with.lies and distortions.

I have said over and over this is the problem with the DNC led democratic party.....they allow the right to define them.

Then you have stupid ass people saying if you want to win then go further right and assume the Republican identity. ..

Its not like they would do that and then govern as liberals and progressives. They would govern right to keep their jobs. .

How would that be good ?

Its.like you mofokrs go outside and leave your blackness at home so white folx might like you
 
They can't go after the trump sympathisers though, cause if they do, they'll lose out on the other end and they don't want that.


Wrong

If Democrats want to win they need to go after the white vote. Which means they turn into republicans.

This entire article proves it. Everyone I know opposed to immigration I ask them when was the last time an immigrant influenced their daily life....never is their answer. Most voters are imbeciles

There's nothing left to be said. Everyone was warned what it would be like if Trump won and here we are. Next stop, tax cuts for the rich and recession for everyone else. On deck, welfare reform to destroy the poor and the disabled.
 
if the Democrats try and play republican light, they will lose. Simple as that. Young folks are NOT voting for this some time Republican bullshit Perez is trying to repackage

Democrats gave been playing republican light since Bill Clinton. ...

They have abandoned their identity because they too pussy to get out a define who they sre.

They ALLOW THE GOP to define them. .

Case in point the tax increase required for single payer and free public college.

The increase for example might be 5000.....but how much is your insurance per month and your deductible?

College is 40k per year.

So 5000 in tax increase save you damn near 50k per year. ...

But they don't sell that and let the GOP sell the cutting taxes...they telling you they raising the standard deduction but cit ting individual deduction. SO if you married living in an apartment the standard increase is good but if you have 3 kids and live.on a house your itemized deductions are fucked
 
They can't go after the trump sympathisers though, cause if they do, they'll lose out on the other end and they don't want that.
They will blame the democrats and those sympathisers will believe it.

Republicans know their base isn't very bright. Tell them a person of color is a threat to their way of life and they will believe anything.
 
The sympathizers are a lost cause... they drank the koolaid and yeah, they will believe anything they're fed from that side. That's why I don't want the dems to go after them. I don't belong to a party, but given the choice of the two parties that have a chance of winning, and given who they put out there, I would tend to vote dem... but if they try to use drumpf friendly language to go after those assholes, they'd be risking losing people like me. Like the shit Jimmy Carter is out there saying today... not saying he is saying it to bring in drumpfies but it has me shaking my head.


They will blame the democrats and those sympathisers will believe it.

Republicans know their base isn't very bright. Tell them a person of color is a threat to their way of life and they will believe anything.
 
They need to be refuting every time trump talks about the rising stock indexes with " Well what does that do for the poor man"?
 
if the Democrats try and play republican light, they will lose. Simple as that. Young folks are NOT voting for this some time Republican bullshit Perez is trying to repackage

They're gonna lose if they embrace open immigration. That's the point of the article.

You don't have to be "republican light" on all issues, but if the democrats keep going further left on immigration, it will turn off a lot of right leaning center voters.
 
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Russia has done a good job pushing the ‘immigrant boogie man’ in every country, I see. Your wife won’t fuck you. Blame the immigrant boogie man. Chicks don’t dig you. Blame the immigrant boogie man. All the jobs require you to have an actual skill. Blame the immigrant boogie man. Trumpsters’ answer for everything is the immigrant boogie man. Wash, rinse, and repeat and you won’t actually have to govern or come up with anything innovative to help the electorate. Meanwhile, you can pass legislation that will hurt the electorate and give tax breaks to the 1%. See how easy that is.
 
They're gonna lose if they embrace open immigration. That's the point of the article.

You don't have to be "republican light" on all issues, but if the democrats keep going further left on immigration, it will turn off a lot of right leaning center voters.

Democrats aren't left Obama deported more than anybody.increased spending on border security...and even reagan gave amnesty..

But like I said ..the Democrats let the GOP define the narrative with lies and misinformation.

And some think the answer is for Democrats to keep moving right..

It's this same dumb ass thinking that had clinton do a crime bill and welate reform that was much further right than even the Republicans were asking for
 
Russia has done a good job pushing the ‘immigrant boogie man’ in every country, I see. Your wife won’t fuck you. Blame the immigrant boogie man. Chicks don’t dig you. Blame the immigrant boogie man. All the jobs require you to have an actual skill. Blame the immigrant boogie man. Trumpsters’ answer for everything is the immigrant boogie man. Wash, rinse, and repeat and you won’t actually have to govern or come up with anything innovative to help the electorate. Meanwhile, you can pass legislation that will hurt the electorate and give tax breaks to the 1%. See how easy that is.

Stop buying that it was russia bullshit.

The issue with Russia aint no fukkn election it's crime and extortion..

It's trump not being able to borrow money from banks cause he defaulted on all those loans...

Its him going to Russia for money and owing them

It's Putin needing sanctions lifted because he gas stolen billions he can't get to in the,west
 
I know a white dude, mentioned him on here before... educated, older (70 or so) who has worked with Drumpf in Manhattan and hates his guts, but voted for him. His mother just died at like 92 and he is understandably depressed and mad about how it was hard to get care for her near the end, etc... but he's under the impression that if you waltz in illegally from Guatemala, you get Cadillac medical treatment, private rooms, 24 hour in home care givers all on the tax payers dime. I'm like wtf dude... how many illegals do you actually know?



Russia has done a good job pushing the ‘immigrant boogie man’ in every country, I see. Your wife won’t fuck you. Blame the immigrant boogie man. Chicks don’t dig you. Blame the immigrant boogie man. All the jobs require you to have an actual skill. Blame the immigrant boogie man. Trumpsters’ answer for everything is the immigrant boogie man. Wash, rinse, and repeat and you won’t actually have to govern or come up with anything innovative to help the electorate. Meanwhile, you can pass legislation that will hurt the electorate and give tax breaks to the 1%. See how easy that is.
 
Stop buying that it was russia bullshit.

The issue with Russia aint no fukkn election it's crime and extortion..

It's trump not being able to borrow money from banks cause he defaulted on all those loans...

Its him going to Russia for money and owing them

It's Putin needing sanctions lifted because he gas stolen billions he can't get to in the,west
Russia bullshit?? Are you serious? We are just discovery the tip of the iceberg when it comes to Russia election medleying.

Russia’s troll factory also paid for 100 activists in the US

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Russian independent media are having an impressive week in exposing how the country’s government allegedly tried to influence the US 2016 elections using online trolls.

On Monday (Oct. 16), a man going under the pseudonym Maksim told TV Rain (paywall) that he was paid to post negative comments on Facebook and sites like the New York Times about Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton and to stoke America’s internal divisions on religion and LGBTQ rights. He was working for the “Internet Research Agency,” a company in St Petersburg, which is believed to have done work spreading political messages and trolling on the Kremlin’s behalf.

Today, business site RBC revealed the numbers that allegedly made the company work. It reports (link in Russian) that over two years the agency spent $2.3 million on its US operations. Most of that was spent on Russian staff—around 90 employees (link in Russian) were working on the US at the height of the trolling campaign in 2016—but it also paid for 100 US activists to travel around America, organizing 40 rallies in US cities, and spent $120,000 spreading their message on Facebook. (The Silicon Valley giant has admitted that thousands of ads were bought under Russian IP addresses during the campaign.) The 100 activists didn’t suspect any Russian involvement in the funding, RBC reports.

Data Number
Total US operation expenses $2.3 million
Staff working on US campaign up to 90 people
Number of US social media accounts/communities At least 118
Total subscribers More than 6 million
Most page views in a week 70 million (October 2016)
American activists supported 100
Rallies held in US cities 40
Budget to support US activists Approx. $80,000 over two years
Budget for social media promotion Approx. $120,000 over two years

The trolls produced content aimed at riling both the left and right—for example, pushing Texan independence and religious evangelism at the same time as African-American and LGBTQ rights. Those writing the content earned around 55,000 rubles per month (approx. $1,000), while administrators made 80,000-90,000 rubles, and managers took home 120,000 (around $2,100). RBC reports that the factory still has a US desk, but its employees now number around 50.

https://qz.com/1104195/russian-poli...et-research-agency-troll-farm-by-the-numbers/


 
Stop buying that it was russia bullshit.

The issue with Russia aint no fukkn election it's crime and extortion..

It's trump not being able to borrow money from banks cause he defaulted on all those loans...

Its him going to Russia for money and owing them

It's Putin needing sanctions lifted because he gas stolen billions he can't get to in the,west
Bruh, guess again. Who do you think started pushing this narrative in other countries to create mistrust. There has been documentaries done on this very issue connecting all the dots. It’s been posted here on BGOL. Brexit and the mistrust of immigrants in other countries was pushed hard by the Russia propaganda machine. They did the same shit here. I really don’t feel like finding this information for you. You can do a simple google search and filter out all the bs and make sure the source material is reputable. There you will find the answer.
 
Russia bullshit?? Are you serious? We are just discovery the tip of the iceberg when it comes to Russia election medleying.

Russia’s troll factory also paid for 100 activists in the US

ap_292181857410-e1508247256448.jpg


Russian independent media are having an impressive week in exposing how the country’s government allegedly tried to influence the US 2016 elections using online trolls.

On Monday (Oct. 16), a man going under the pseudonym Maksim told TV Rain (paywall) that he was paid to post negative comments on Facebook and sites like the New York Times about Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton and to stoke America’s internal divisions on religion and LGBTQ rights. He was working for the “Internet Research Agency,” a company in St Petersburg, which is believed to have done work spreading political messages and trolling on the Kremlin’s behalf.

Today, business site RBC revealed the numbers that allegedly made the company work. It reports (link in Russian) that over two years the agency spent $2.3 million on its US operations. Most of that was spent on Russian staff—around 90 employees (link in Russian) were working on the US at the height of the trolling campaign in 2016—but it also paid for 100 US activists to travel around America, organizing 40 rallies in US cities, and spent $120,000 spreading their message on Facebook. (The Silicon Valley giant has admitted that thousands of ads were bought under Russian IP addresses during the campaign.) The 100 activists didn’t suspect any Russian involvement in the funding, RBC reports.

Data Number
Total US operation expenses $2.3 million
Staff working on US campaign up to 90 people
Number of US social media accounts/communities At least 118
Total subscribers More than 6 million
Most page views in a week 70 million (October 2016)
American activists supported 100
Rallies held in US cities 40
Budget to support US activists Approx. $80,000 over two years
Budget for social media promotion Approx. $120,000 over two years

The trolls produced content aimed at riling both the left and right—for example, pushing Texan independence and religious evangelism at the same time as African-American and LGBTQ rights. Those writing the content earned around 55,000 rubles per month (approx. $1,000), while administrators made 80,000-90,000 rubles, and managers took home 120,000 (around $2,100). RBC reports that the factory still has a US desk, but its employees now number around 50.

https://qz.com/1104195/russian-poli...et-research-agency-troll-farm-by-the-numbers/




Russia took advantage of America stupidity and your answer is the Democrats should go further right...

Democrats been losing a lot longer than 2016....

And they been chasing the GOP identity right a lot longer than 2016....

but you cats want Russian influence to be more than the Koch brothers. More than Sheldon addelson.theor interference to be more than Israels..

I told you what Putin interest is and posted it back when they said the meeting was about adoptions. ..

Its about Putin 60 billion

So tell me what channel is the DNC commercial showing how the tax.plan fucks the middle class? Homeowners?the poor?

Right there ain one because the GOP is once again defining the narrative..

But never fear the Democrats can just go right and out republican the Republicans. ..

Damn we miss those blue dogs that didn't stick with obama
 
Democrats will keep losing if they keep being liberals. The elections are won by whichever way "independents" are swayed. Many true independents have mix if idiolegies and aren't looking to be dependent on the government.
That's why many lean right because they see democrats or more specifically liberals as being party of inependents (even by those who do depend on the government).
I keep hearing about these corprate democrats but all I've seen are a bunch liberal democrats but there are those folks who think they are not liberal enough.
Bottom line and to the point of this thread. Democrats don't know how to play chess or poker.
 
Russia took advantage of America stupidity and your answer is the Democrats should go further right...

Democrats been losing a lot longer than 2016....

And they been chasing the GOP identity right a lot longer than 2016....

but you cats want Russian influence to be more than the Koch brothers. More than Sheldon addelson.theor interference to be more than Israels..

I told you what Putin interest is and posted it back when they said the meeting was about adoptions. ..

Its about Putin 60 billion

So tell me what channel is the DNC commercial showing how the tax.plan fucks the middle class? Homeowners?the poor?

Right there ain one because the GOP is once again defining the narrative..

But never fear the Democrats can just go right and out republican the Republicans. ..

Damn we miss those blue dogs that didn't stick with obama

Are you high right now?

It's not my answer.

People like you decided to lessen the importance of the Black vote.

Explain to me why a politician would covet the Black vote over any other demographic that increased their voting presence?

People like you made white people more important politically.
 
Btw mofokr don't ever try to make a point to me with Maher...

:hithead:
These Americans Were Tricked Into Working For Russia. They Say They Had No Idea.
BuzzFeed News spoke to four people who organized black rights protests and taught self-defense classes after being contacted by Russian trolls pretending to be US activists.

Russia’s most infamous troll farm recruited US activists to help stage protests and organize self-defense classes in black communities as part of an effort to sow divisions in US society ahead of the 2016 election and well into 2017.

Four people contacted by what is believed to be the “American Department” of the St. Petersburg-based Internet Research Agency told BuzzFeed News that while they found their contacts strange, they never suspected that they were the target of foreign recruitment.

The operation, including the names of the activists, was first reported by Russian news outlet RBC in a major investigation published Tuesday.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/rosalindad...or-russia-they?utm_term=.en8rqNeNl#.exeOrYnYM
 
Are you high right now?

It's not my answer.

People like you decided to lessen the importance of the Black vote.

Explain to me why a politician would covet the Black vote over any other demographic that increased their voting presence?

People like you made white people more important politically.

When was the black vote coveted ?

When did the black vote have value ?

The black vote has been taken for granted

Anything given away has no value.

FREE is loved by all but FREE isn't worked for or appreciated. ..

They coveted the fag vote and the dags received what they wanted for their vote

Their vote had value it was traded for something

same with Hispanics. ..

Now they want to trade their ideology for right wing white people and they are willing to trade for it..

And your black ass with your free vote and your unassuming understanding is still there ready to give your free valueless vote like always..

So don't blame me because your vote has zero value. ....you have never treated it like it had any..

Hey us the DNC flying the mothers of the murdered black folx around to spread the word?
 
Yeah and drug mules don't know what they are carrying..

So what was your explanation for the Democrats sitting on the Crosscheck information?

Remember when Obama nominated conservative judge who was.moderate thinking he would whoo the right and embarrass the congress..

Playing chess doesn't work when your opponents playing checkers

But did the demicrats even threaten the nuclear option ?

Republicans sure did if the dems tried to block their nominee.

Even had democrats saying well we won't fight this one,we'll fight the next one. .what fukkn difference does it make

These Americans Were Tricked Into Working For Russia. They Say They Had No Idea.
BuzzFeed News spoke to four people who organized black rights protests and taught self-defense classes after being contacted by Russian trolls pretending to be US activists.

Russia’s most infamous troll farm recruited US activists to help stage protests and organize self-defense classes in black communities as part of an effort to sow divisions in US society ahead of the 2016 election and well into 2017.

Four people contacted by what is believed to be the “American Department” of the St. Petersburg-based Internet Research Agency told BuzzFeed News that while they found their contacts strange, they never suspected that they were the target of foreign recruitment.

The operation, including the names of the activists, was first reported by Russian news outlet RBC in a major investigation published Tuesday.

https://www.buzzfeed.com/rosalindad...or-russia-they?utm_term=.en8rqNeNl#.exeOrYnYM
 
When was the black vote coveted ?

When did the black vote have value ?

The black vote has been taken for granted

Anything given away has no value.

FREE is loved by all but FREE isn't worked for or appreciated. ..

They coveted the fag vote and the dags received what they wanted for their vote

Their vote had value it was traded for something

same with Hispanics. ..

Now they want to trade their ideology for right wing white people and they are willing to trade for it..

And your black ass with your free vote and your unassuming understanding is still there ready to give your free valueless vote like always..

So don't blame me because your vote has zero value. ....you have never treated it like it had any..

Hey us the DNC flying the mothers of the murdered black folx around to spread the word?
We agree the Black vote doesn't have value.

Trump increased white turnout and won the election because of white people. According to BGOL asians and hispanics are white.

Explain to me how democrats win without moving farther right?
 
We agree the Black vote doesn't have value.

Trump increased white turnout and won the election because of white people. According to BGOL asians and hispanics are white.

Explain to me how democrats win without moving farther right?

Without doing it all over again.

Stop sitting back allowing the right wing to define the narrative and then trying to do damage control.

Stop taking votes and states for granted. ..start working..

I gave an example of how the GOP defines with their tax reform and also how they say democrats want to raise their taxes with single payer and free college.

Then they say they will lower taxes..

But the dems do a shit job explaining how much they save by paying more taxes but not having copay coming out if your check and no deductible.or not having to take out 40k in loans per year..

But if the narrative is,already defined nobody hears that and dems sound like Charlie Browns teacher talking to unread uneducated dummies
 
We agree the Black vote doesn't have value.

Trump increased white turnout and won the election because of white people. According to BGOL asians and hispanics are white.

Explain to me how democrats win without moving farther right?

What issues do you think the Democrats should move to the right on?
 
What issues do you think the Democrats should move to the right on?
Me personally none. I think they should go farther left on everything.

The debate is how do they win. This time in history they need to move right on all issues if they want to win.

People don't give a shit and that's bad for progressive issues.

Day after day republicans do crazier shit and no one cares.

Insult a dead Black soldier...no one gives a shit
Fuck Puerto Rico...no one gives a shit
Blow up healthcare...no one gives a shit
Destroy our environment and health....no one gives a shit
Tax cuts for rich again and again...no one gives a shit
Tell us they will go after the safety net for the most needy Americans...no one gives a shit
 
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