The Great DEPRESSION of 2008!!

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/usa-2008-the-great-depression-803095.html

Food stamps are the symbol of poverty in the US. In the era of the credit crunch, a record 28 million Americans are now relying on them to survive – a sure sign the world's richest country faces economic crisis


By David Usborne in New York
Tuesday, 1 April 2008

We knew things were bad on Wall Street, but on Main Street it may be worse. Startling official statistics show that as a new economic recession stalks the United States, a record number of Americans will shortly be depending on food stamps just to feed themselves and their families.

Dismal projections by the Congressional Budget Office in Washington suggest that in the fiscal year starting in October, 28 million people in the US will be using government food stamps to buy essential groceries, the highest level since the food assistance programme was introduced in the 1960s.

The increase – from 26.5 million in 2007 – is due partly to recent efforts to increase public awareness of the programme and also a switch from paper coupons to electronic debit cards. But above all it is the pressures being exerted on ordinary Americans by an economy that is suddenly beset by troubles. Housing foreclosures, accelerating jobs losses and fast-rising prices all add to the squeeze.

Emblematic of the downturn until now has been the parades of houses seized in foreclosure all across the country, and myriad families separated from their homes. But now the crisis is starting to hit the country in its gut. Getting food on the table is a challenge many Americans are finding harder to meet. As a barometer of the country's economic health, food stamp usage may not be perfect, but can certainly tell a story.

Michigan has been in its own mini-recession for years as its collapsing industrial base, particularly in the car industry, has cast more and more out of work. Now, one in eight residents of the state is on food stamps, double the level in 2000. "We have seen a dramatic increase in recent years, but we have also seen it climbing more in recent months," Maureen Sorbet, a spokeswoman for Michigan's programme, said. "It's been increasing steadily. Without the programme, some families and kids would be going without."

But the trend is not restricted to the rust-belt regions. Forty states are reporting increases in applications for the stamps, actually electronic cards that are filled automatically once a month by the government and are swiped by shoppers at the till, in the 12 months from December 2006. At least six states, including Florida, Arizona and Maryland, have had a 10 per cent increase in the past year.

In Rhode Island, the segment of the population on food stamps has risen by 18 per cent in two years. The food programme started 40 years ago when hunger was still a daily fact of life for many Americans. The recent switch from paper coupons to the plastic card system has helped remove some of the stigma associated with the food stamp programme. The card can be swiped as easily as a bank debit card. To qualify for the cards, Americans do not have to be exactly on the breadline. The programme is available to people whose earnings are just above the official poverty line. For Hubert Liepnieks, the card is a lifeline he could never afford to lose. Just out of prison, he sleeps in overnight shelters in Manhattan and uses the card at a Morgan Williams supermarket on East 23rd Street. Yesterday, he and his fiancée, Christine Schultz, who is in a wheelchair, shared one banana and a cup of coffee bought with the 82 cents left on it.

"They should be refilling it in the next three or four days," Liepnieks says. At times, he admits, he and friends bargain with owners of the smaller grocery shops to trade the value of their cards for cash, although it is illegal. "It can be done. I get $7 back on $10."

Richard Enright, the manager at this Morgan Williams, says the numbers of customers on food stamps has been steady but he expects that to rise soon. "In this location, it's still mostly old people and people who have retired from city jobs on stamps," he says. Food stamp money was designed to supplement what people could buy rather than covering all the costs of a family's groceries. But the problem now, Mr Enright says, is that soaring prices are squeezing the value of the benefits.

"Last St Patrick's Day, we were selling Irish soda bread for $1.99. This year it was $2.99. Prices are just spiralling up, because of the cost of gas trucking the food into the city and because of commodity prices. People complain, but I tell them it's not my fault everything is more expensive."

The US Department of Agriculture says the cost of feeding a low-income family of four has risen 6 per cent in 12 months. "The amount of food stamps per household hasn't gone up with the food costs," says Dayna Ballantyne, who runs a food bank in Des Moines, Iowa. "Our clients are finding they aren't able to purchase food like they used to."

And the next monthly job numbers, to be released this Friday, are likely to show 50,000 more jobs were lost nationwide in March, and the unemployment rate is up to perhaps 5 per cent.




Not convinsted?

http://www.theinternationalforecaster.com/item.php?topicId=2&articleid=236
 
For some reason, I was looking at Fox News this morning (was trying to find CNBC :lol: ) and they ripped this article. This paper apparently England's version of the NY Post.

While I do think we are in a recession, I do not think the "Great Depression" is coming.

-CTF
 
For some reason, I was looking at Fox News this morning (was trying to find CNBC :lol: ) and they ripped this article. This paper apparently England's version of the NY Post.

While I do think we are in a recession, I do not think the "Great Depression" is coming.

-CTF

Recession started some time ago. The dollar is losing its value fast and that's the untold story about why cost are going up sharply. That second link explains the cycle that the US is now in. These are stories that are not being heavily reported in the US but Europe is paying attention because its also affecting them now.

You cannot get around it or dodge the fact that when jobs pay LESS and housing values go down it is a disaster waiting to happen.

If you think going to school is the answer? Think again!!

http://business.timesonline.co.uk/tol/business/economics/article3649021.ece

US credit crunch hits education as banks abandon student loans

Suzy Jagger in New York

One of America’s leading banking associations has given warning that the United States faces a growing educational apartheid as some lenders withdraw from student loans amid new evidence that the credit crisis has spread across all types of borrowing.

In the past fortnight, some banks, including HSBC, have pulled out of the $85 billion (£42 billion) a year US student loans market, fuelling anxiety that the turmoil that hit debt markets on Wall Street last summer is spilling over into the wider economy and making credit more difficult to secure for ordinary American households.

In the US, many undergraduates take out a federal guaranteed loan and top up their financial needs with a private loan from lenders such as Bank of America, JPMorgan Chase and Citi-group. In the academic year 2005-06, $17 billion in private student loans was used to finance higher education.

Banks have become reluctant to offer private student loans because worsening credit conditions have meant that they cannot package up the loans and sell them on.

Although the brightest students who win places at America’s rich Ivy League universities will be affected less because of generous bursaries - which do not have to be repaid – less able students applying to other institutions are expected to face difficulty in securing private loans to fund their study. At one end of the field is Harvard University, with $34 billion of endowments, and at the other are many community colleges and low-tier universities with limited resources.

Joe Belew, president of the Consumer Bankers’ Association, said: “Some of the banks are getting out. Part of the reason is that Congress has cut the fees they could charge, making some loans pretty much unprofitable. But part of the reason is that they can’t securitise the debt. The problems they have had with mortgage-backed debt – it’s the same thing at play in student lending.

“We have talked to some of the banks about this. It’s a painful decision to pull out because of the nature of the clientele – everyone wants to be in the business of helping people get ahead, but at the end of the day you still have to deliver value to shareholders. At the moment, it’s a fine line between hanging in there and pulling out. It’s a murky situation.

“If the overall market is contracting, then those students with poor credit scores or without the rich uncle co-signers [loan guarantor] may have real problems funding themselves.”

Last week, Iowa Student Loan said that it would soon stop offering private loans altogether. The group, which made 29,000 student loans last year, said: “This is really a reaction to the economy’s recent situation, the sub-prime market in particular.”

Within the past fortnight, Montana Higher Education Student Assistance Corp said that a lack of appetite for buying debt such as student loans had led to its interest costs to finance such borrowing rising by a tenth, or $3.4 million, since the beginning of February.

Several members of Congress have urged the Bush Administration to stabilise the market after the National Association of Independent Colleges and Universities gave warning that student loans have become far harder and costlier to obtain since the credit crisis.

Last October, as the credit crisis on Wall Street was gathering pace, Washington introduced legislation limiting the returns that banks could extract from student loans.

Concern over funding for students is also spreading to Ivy League institutions. The University of Pennsylvania’s head of financial aid, William Schilling, has just written to banks demanding assurances they will continue to offer student loans.

Speaking to The Times, Dr Schilling said: “We want the banks to tell us whether they will continue to offer [federal] loans and private loans for the next academic year. The key thing is not just whether they will lend at all, but what the terms will be.”

Dr Schilling said that although some of the loans are guaranteed by Washington and are therefore “very low risk”, the market for them “has just gone away”
 
I guess I'm one of the few on this board to remember the 70's...WE SURVIVED!!!

And while I do think things will get worse before they get better, I do think that the housing situation will straighten out. Too much fraud by the lenders AND too many dumb-asses trying to keep with the Joneses and moving into houses they new dayum well they couldn't afford.

Be more afraid of the rising energy prices and the war. The housing situation will work itself out.

-CTF
 
I guess I'm one of the few on this board to remember the 70's...WE SURVIVED!!!

And while I do think things will get worse before they get better, I do think that the housing situation will straighten out. Too much fraud by the lenders AND too many dumb-asses trying to keep with the Joneses and moving into houses they new dayum well they couldn't afford.

Be more afraid of the rising energy prices and the war. The housing situation will work itself out.

-CTF


You're kidding right? Im not trying to be funny but you sound like a conservitive spitting out talking points. Why are you talking about the 70's while ignoring the fact that the stats are similar to the 1930's. How will the housing situation straighten out? The companies are responsible to the shareholders and not the general public or the overall economy. Housing situations don't work themselves out like that. Its not about people keeping up the the joneses and most economist with half a brain have sad so over and over again.


WTF do you think happens when food and energy cost go up but wages are going DOWN?
 
I called the credit crunch and housing collapse almost 5 years ago (shit never sat well with me from jump). The next hit I see coming is mass layoffs across the board. This won't be a depression in the classic sense because with globalization, corporations won't suffer as much and the market will stay stable, but individuals are about to catch a BAD ONE. Reverse-trickle down economics is about to be in full effect. Corporate America is going to damn near wipe out working people in an attempt to keep profits and share prices up. It's already happening, you have companies laying off higher paid workers so they can be replaced with younger workers who will accept less money and fewer benefits. The younger generation is already being trained to expect less and pay more. This is more of a move towards downshitfing the middle class permanently.
 
I called the credit crunch and housing collapse almost 5 years ago (shit never sat well with me from jump). The next hit I see coming is mass layoffs across the board. This won't be a depression in the classic sense because with globalization, corporations won't suffer as much and the market will stay stable, but individuals are about to catch a BAD ONE. Reverse-trickle down economics is about to be in full effect. Corporate America is going to damn near wipe out working people in an attempt to keep profits and share prices up. It's already happening, you have companies laying off higher paid workers so they can be replaced with younger workers who will accept less money and fewer benefits. The younger generation is already being trained to expect less and pay more. This is more of a move towards downshitfing the middle class permanently.


That is exactly why reganomics doesn't work. That is what's behind them wanting to give more power to the fed buy getting rid of the SEC. They know that most americans don't know shit about economics and think the fed is apart of the government. Companies will take a hit when the bottom falls out and investors begin to see that they're paper vanish right before their eyes with nowhere to turn.
 
For some reason, I was looking at Fox News this morning (was trying to find CNBC :lol: ) and they ripped this article. This paper apparently England's version of the NY Post.

While I do think we are in a recession, I do not think the "Great Depression" is coming.

-CTF

Make sure you keep your job.
 
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Wait but Harbinger said this was just a phase and nothing to worry about???? :roflmao2::roflmao2:




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"Paramedics try desperately to resuscitate Harbinger back to life after he refused to lift his head from beneath the sand"






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You're kidding right? Im not trying to be funny but you sound like a conservitive spitting out talking points. Why are you talking about the 70's while ignoring the fact that the stats are similar to the 1930's. How will the housing situation straighten out? The companies are responsible to the shareholders and not the general public or the overall economy. Housing situations don't work themselves out like that. Its not about people keeping up the the joneses and most economist with half a brain have sad so over and over again.


WTF do you think happens when food and energy cost go up but wages are going DOWN?

c/s
 
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