The current situation in Haiti

Cleopatra_J

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So, I'm an intern for CNN American Morning, and today as I was reading through some of the days news stories on our news feed I came across the article about people in Haiti. We all say we know how poor it is, but the images I thought of when reading this really made me wonder if people knew it was that bad. I don't know if this has been posted before, but thought it'd be interesting


By STEVENSON JACOBS
Associated Press Writer
PORT-AU-PRINCE, Haiti (AP) -- Life has always been a struggle for
Haiti's poor. These days, death isn't much easier.
The city morgue is under-refrigerated, jammed to capacity with
unclaimed corpses and so short of funds that workers don't have
paper masks to ward off the stench.
Deforestation has inflated the price of coffin wood, and
hundreds -- possibly thousands -- of deaths in street violence are
pushing up the price of funerals. Robbers plunder graves for
coffins to resell, and families try to thwart them by smashing the
coffin before it is covered with earth.
Some bereaved families are taking out high-interest "funeral
loans," falling deep into debt to send off relatives with the
dignity many were deprived of in life. Others have to abandon their
dead on a dusty field known as Titanyen, a Creole word meaning
"less than nothing," on the edge of the capital, Port-au-Prince.
A funeral now costs around $540 -- what most Haitians earn in
four months. Cremation is only for the wealthy.
Haiti's largest public morgue, built to hold 390 cadavers, often
has nearly 500, many strewn on the cement floor for lack of space.
The dead include shooting victims, AIDS victims and babies who
never saw their first birthday.
It costs a relative $27 just to pick up a body if it was dropped
off at the morgue, and $47 if the morgue had to collect it off the
street. As a result, few bodies are ever claimed by relatives. They
end up in a common grave outside the capital, along with those
dumped at the Titanyen field.
"If the families don't have money to claim the bodies, they
simply never show up," said morgue director Sergo Castor.
Marie Nicola's son was found dead in the street, his skull
bashed in by unknown assailants in the taxi he was driving. The
62-year-old unemployed mother said she does not know if she will be
able to afford a decent burial.
"After you pay the morgue, you have to buy clothes for the
body, a coffin and pay the church and the cemetery. We don't have
anything so it's very hard," Nicola said outside the morgue as
relatives consoled her.
Outside the morgue, freelance undertakers with beaten-up old
hearses stand ready to haggle over a funeral price. It's an
entirely uncontrolled market.
"Sometimes you can see the economic situation of the person and
you can negotiate a lower price. I'm human too so it affects me
when people want to bury a relative but can't pay," said Carl
Fanfan, an undertaker.
The Rev. Rick Frechette is a Catholic priest with the
Illinois-based charity Friends of the Orphans, which runs an
orphanage and a children's hospital in Haiti.
Trying "to do something a little more human for those that have
died," the group makes coffins from papier-mache instead of wood
and provides free burials for about 40 people a month, Frechette
said.
Nicola said she'll ask relatives to chip in for her son's
burial.
"If it's not enough then we will sell what we can," she said
softly. "I will give him a good funeral if I'm able to."
------
On the Net:
http://www.friendsoftheorphans.org

(Copyright 2007 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)
APTV 04-02-07 1339EDT
 
Shit like this makes me cry because im Haitian and ive never even Been there and My Parent's dont ever want to go back.

What will it really take for the country to change?
 
J Storm said:
Shit like this makes me cry because im Haitian and ive never even Been there and My Parent's dont ever want to go back.

What will it really take for the country to change?

It'll take educated Haitians to stop leaving the country, coming to the US, and then shitting on the "lazy" Black Americans.
 
Bastard Chile said:
It'll take educated Haitians to stop leaving the country, coming to the US, and then shitting on the "lazy" Black Americans.


Please explain.
 
Honestly I Dont Know Where They Get These Stories From What Part of Haiti... i Mean Besides The Coffin Stealing And Grave Robbing Haiti is A Blast My Mother Owns 4 Homes In Cap Haitian And I Own 1 i Went Last Year To Bury My Grandfather And Yeah We had to bang Up The Coffin B/c The Robbers Were There (At The Grave Site)Talkin Bout "oh This Coffin From Miami It Has Air Condition" :lol: And Besides The Coffin Had A Lock Which Means If They Break it To Get The Body Out The Funeral Homes Wont Buy It Back. But Besides That i Had The Greatest Time In My Life Me And My Fam Were Out Til About 4 -5am Everyday, We Were Out Even With No Lights In Some Parts Riding Around in Pitch Black Darkness. Port o Prince Is A Lil Ruff Ill Admit But Still Not What They Reporting .... Am i Wrong Anybody Else Been Down There recently ... Shoot My father Just left For Haiti 2 Days Ago And im Planning on Following Suit In A Week ???/ :confused:
 
Why are they obsessed with being put in a coffin. The bacteria in your stomach will break down you body even in a sealed coffin and decompose your body. Do a natural burial and plant a tree on top.
 
Good Post Cleo!
Classicism(light-skinned haitians(the haitian "ELITE") vs. dark-skinned haitians)
this has been the MAJOR source of Haiti's problems :smh:

Btw, how is my baby mother(Soledad O'Brien :dance: ) coming on?
 
It won't change until the West stops seeking revenge on Haiti for being the only people of color to straight whup their ass and take self-determination into their own hands...

Then again, Cuba is getting shitted on for the same reason.

Understand what is happening in Haiti is no accident and it isn't trifling niggas undermining themselves. It's a message being sent to the rest of the third world... :(
 
UltimateLurker said:
Classicism(light-skinned haitians(the haitian "ELITE") vs. dark-skinned haitians)
this has been the MAJOR source of Haiti's problems :smh:
Haitians fought on the rebel side during that cracker revolution. The U.S. have occupied Haiti so many times, they even rewrote Haiti’s constitution. :(
 
femmenoire said:
Bastard Chile said:
It'll take educated Haitians to stop leaving the country, coming to the US, and then shitting on the "lazy" Black Americans.
Please explain.
C/S
inquiring Haitian minds want to know
 
Yeah I peeped that Aristide comment also. Heard things about how he was carrying it at the end. :( Guess power corrupts yet again. :(
 
The only true reason why Haiti is facing all these problems is because HAITI IS THE MOTHER COUNTRY OF BLACK SLAVE REBELLION. It was the first successful black revolt during slavery. and They still keep her down.

My black folks, we all gotta to thank Haiti, do what you can, keep that in the back of your head.
 
If you think she's pretty on TV, she is gorgeous in person... I was happy the other day when she asked my name lol!! Her kids are adorable!!
 
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Does she work in NYC or ATL? She is the bomb, but that is another mans wife (I assume since she has kids and is in on T.V-You know the white man won't allow that unless she is married).
 
Maddbaron said:
haiti needs a dictator. democracy wont work there. it needs a ruler to run it like a corporation.

Wrong.

1. Haiti has had plenty of dictators, shit didn't work.

2. Corporations embezzle, neglect their lowest-paid workers, produce a culture of inefficiency, waste and corruption among management, and serve only the motive of aggregating as much wealth for the institution as possible.

What Haiti needs are statesmen, enough education and health care for its poorest citizens, and enough grassroots organization to keep outside influences outside.

People cite Cuba as proof that socialism doesn't work, but Cuba is far better off than Haiti, to keep it 100...
 
DaleMabry said:
Wrong.

1. Haiti has had plenty of dictators, shit didn't work.

2. Corporations embezzle, neglect their lowest-paid workers, produce a culture of inefficiency, waste and corruption among management, and serve only the motive of aggregating as much wealth for the institution as possible.

What Haiti needs are statesmen, enough education and health care for its poorest citizens, and enough grassroots organization to keep outside influences outside.

People cite Cuba as proof that socialism doesn't work, but Cuba is far better off than Haiti, to keep it 100...

socialism works in many countries, but i think cuba is bad example as far as dictatorship goes. fidel may be sick now, but he was and still is a dictator. not to say that's bad for cuba, but ain't no one kicking him out of office.
 
shams said:
socialism works in many countries, but i think cuba is bad example as far as dictatorship goes. fidel may be sick now, but he was and still is a dictator. not to say that's bad for cuba, but ain't no one kicking him out of office.

Castro has dodged hundreds of assassination attempts and coups. I'm not saying he isn't a gangster (you'd have to be to stay in power that long) but I AM saying that without tremendous popular support for him, he would have been out of power 30 years ago, minimum, and definitely in the 80s.

Yeah he had people killed and jailed, but I still think the majority of Cubans have and will continue to support Castro. Again, all they have to do is look at Cuba, Jamaica and the DR and ask themselves "they're playing ball and shit is still third-world and fucked up over there. Why should we switch sides?"
 
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I read this long time ago

Haitians have killed so many Haitians
So much Blood has been spilled in to the land
Haiti will never be right
.
 
DaleMabry said:
Wrong.

1. Haiti has had plenty of dictators, shit didn't work.

2. Corporations embezzle, neglect their lowest-paid workers, produce a culture of inefficiency, waste and corruption among management, and serve only the motive of aggregating as much wealth for the institution as possible.

What Haiti needs are statesmen, enough education and health care for its poorest citizens, and enough grassroots organization to keep outside influences outside.

People cite Cuba as proof that socialism doesn't work, but Cuba is far better off than Haiti, to keep it 100...

1. I disagree, when haiti had its dictators people would stay in line until the united states came along and destroyed it.
Iraq wwas running well until the US came in and took Sadam out.
Yes there were crimes but there was also peace.

2. Everything is corrupt. Haiti has enough natural resources that can be hedged into money making. Job creation. I was 11 last time I went to haiti so 15 yrs ago, and there was trash on the streets from New york and Philly. If Haiti was a corporation, they could set up a trash destroying section in part of the country and turn the trash on the streets into recycled goods and charge a fee.
They could charge a fee b/c of the natural resources.
Also if it was a private corporation they could hire ex-military field a real skilled army.
They would then create profit also since corporation go into business for money.
Haiti's debt would also be paid off sooner than later.
Each person there would be a employee and have a vested interest in making Haiti society.
Haiti is beautiful no reason why it shouldn't be at least in part a vacation spot.

But every good corporation needs a solid leader and for Haiti it would be a dictator.

Business doesn't know religion or sex it just know money and greed and in haiti's case money and greed can be good if used country wide.

But the united states wouldnt allow that since a corporate run country would be more successful than democracy.
 
as for cuba, their model is cool too but again its been corrupted by us ideals.

each country can be successful if they were greedy and didnt want the united states greed. why does the US interfere with poor countries? b/c they r seeking the usa's greed if they were selfish and greedy on their own the us couldnt fuck with them.

in this world governments can be made and broken by not enough greed.

Thats y hostile takeover's happen.
 
Dirty Hubcaps said:
maddbaron, ask your peoples about papa doc & the tonton macoutes. totalitarian government isnt where its at dog.


ayiti needs infrastructure. basic shyt like roads, plumbing & what have you. AND NOT JUST THE CAPITAL either. thats how they gas you. youre thinking shyt is sweet when youre around the airport, seeing billboards for mickey d's & gas stations, right? wait till you get into the towns like delmas, jeremie, & tomasin. i'll never complain about new york potholes ever again.


im not going back for a good minute though. the kidnapping shyt is fukking unreal. check this out: you know how you go to the airport with your luggage & your identification on the tags, right? thugs in haiti are known to hang out by the conveyor belt in the airport, read the info on the "expensive looking" bags, then go to that address & rob the people there. it aint a game

my dad was a bank official during poppa doc's reign, doc even held a gun to his head b/c he wanted my dad to do something illegal with the money. my dad said no and doc let him go.

my grand dad was killed by someone in a Haitian government, he was a reporter.

shit my mom's cousin was in aristede's cabinet and my uncle was his photographer.

I know how fucked up the governments can be. But i also know the success of it too if done right.
Doc and others didnt do it right.

I know democracy will never work in Haiti. The roots r too deep.

Haiti was born out of war, fighting spirit.

Democracy seeks to remove that and shutdown the voices of the people.

How many people r unhappy with bush but we cant get rid of him.

In a dictatorship people if unhappy can take hold of their country.

my suggestion is a corporation that allows people to have a piece in the running of their country but with a leader who will stand up to them if they fuck up.

Each citizen there would have a stake in haiti's success. the more success the more money.

unlike democracy where the more success the more poor we have.

Democracy in haiti is a failed experiment that needs to be thrown out.
 
Dirty Hubcaps said:
maddbaron, ask your peoples about papa doc & the tonton macoutes. totalitarian government isnt where its at dog.


ayiti needs infrastructure. basic shyt like roads, plumbing & what have you. AND NOT JUST THE CAPITAL either. thats how they gas you. youre thinking shyt is sweet when youre around the airport, seeing billboards for mickey d's & gas stations, right? wait till you get into the towns like delmas, jeremie, & tomasin. i'll never complain about new york potholes ever again.


im not going back for a good minute though. the kidnapping shyt is fukking unreal. check this out: you know how you go to the airport with your luggage & your identification on the tags, right? thugs in haiti are known to hang out by the conveyor belt in the airport, read the info on the "expensive looking" bags, then go to that address & rob the people there. it aint a game

Sir, you speak the truth!
 
Dmain_Event said:
Does she work in NYC or ATL? She is the bomb, but that is another mans wife (I assume since she has kids and is in on T.V-You know the white man won't allow that unless she is married).


She's in the NY bureau. I had googled here when I first started working there and she is married, O'brien is her hubby's name
 
Dirty Hubcaps said:
maddbaron, youres saying democracy would never work? when was there ever democracy? TRUE democracy, where everyone of age who is interested has a say in how the government is run? never. i forgot the exact number, but over HALF the population is functionally illiterate. you know how fukked up that is in 2007? i think the first thing that needs to be done, on some real shyt, is to stop undervaluing our women. straight up. look at every successful society that there has been in the world & you see woman playing a major part. once you say to someone, "you cant do that because youre a woman", youve effectively cut your human resources in half.



how real is it in haiti? i was there for a wedding a couple years ago for my man's sister. his pops is a judge & he had a couple of young dudes that he kept around the house that he paid & housed & in return they carried guns & drove him around, basically bodyguards. realest shyt i ever saw was when we went to port au prince to buy me a tie (a story in itself) when we walked into the store they actually had a GUN CHECK. you know how you go places & there's maybe a coat check or a bag check? well in haiti there is someone to hold your revolver for you while you try on cufflinks. bugged me the fukk out


True Democracy is a dream that will never happen.
Haiti is divided via there ideals not just skin tone.
Just like amerikkkan blacks and their blaming of racism for what is happening to them now.
True Democracy can never come about best option is to take what u have and work with it and slowly build and to do that u need a dictator with a one track mind.
 
Maddbaron said:
my dad was a bank official during poppa doc's reign, doc even held a gun to his head b/c he wanted my dad to do something illegal with the money. my dad said no and doc let him go.

my grand dad was killed by someone in a Haitian government, he was a reporter.

shit my mom's cousin was in aristede's cabinet and my uncle was his photographer.

I know how fucked up the governments can be. But i also know the success of it too if done right.
Doc and others didnt do it right.

I know democracy will never work in Haiti. The roots r too deep.

Haiti was born out of war, fighting spirit.

Democracy seeks to remove that and shutdown the voices of the people.

How many people r unhappy with bush but we cant get rid of him.

In a dictatorship people if unhappy can take hold of their country.

my suggestion is a corporation that allows people to have a piece in the running of their country but with a leader who will stand up to them if they fuck up.

Each citizen there would have a stake in haiti's success. the more success the more money.

unlike democracy where the more success the more poor we have.

Democracy in haiti is a failed experiment that needs to be thrown out.

Dude what Haiti needs is long-term nation-building at the hands of leaders who understand the common good trumps short-term gain and individual self-interest.

When in the history of either the nation-state or corporations have you ever seen a corporate model address that need?

Don't know if you've noticed my brother, but the Bush Administration has been running the US government like a corporation, and it's gone what?

Straight down the toilet.

Haiti needs statesmen, not greedy CEOs, at the controls.
 
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