lol fuck you and Tavis
Yeah, that's a real intelligent comeback, n*gga. You really put me in my place.
I co-sign this to the fullest. I don't like Tavis's stance on this, but I'n not going to demonize him for the rest of his career.
Same thing with the Clinton's, yeah, they got kinda besides themselves with some of the undercover comments about Obama, but I'll be damn if I throw them in the same category as Rush Limpdick and the rest of them.
The Clinton's still have enough political clout that they can still help America and African American's out.
And isn't it what its all about?
Exactly. The board needs to read your post over and over. They've taken to demonizing people over 1 small difference of opinion. Niggaz like this would be Barack Obama's downfall. Even he wouldn't agree with shit like this.
I agree with you overall except for the fact that he should really let this go at this point.
And I think why people are upset is because this is becoming less about the SOTBU and more about him.
For those that defend Tavis, even y'all can see that.
I haven't seen the interview but if the OP is correct with what was discussed, there is your proof right there.
Instead about talking about the issues that would be discussed at the forum he is talking about Obama. Why not address the issues while you have the public attention??
This is my problem with this brother at the moment. This is what I believe to be the overall problem that people have with him.
That's because the event has been shrouded in the Obama controversy. That what everybody's talking about, nowadays. He can't control the questions he's being asked and the things people are saying about him. I'm sure that he would've been more than happy to talk about the issues, if niggaz like y'all and the media would let him, but y'all are determined to fry him, so what is he gonna do?
yet you're on here clownin people who DON'T agree w/smiley? take your own advice
How many anti-Obama threads have I made? None.
I have a problem with the fundamentalists on this board, who are defaming and demonizing the best and brightest that we've had in the Black media. These are politicians and pundits that when OJ, or the LA Riots, or Katrina, have taken time out of their days and careers to balance the racist media's always anti-Black stances, and because they make one decision, a small one at that, you're gonna kill 'em?
Nah, I can't respect that. If we're talking about Condoleeza, or Clarence Thomas, or Ward Connerly, or people who've spent their whole careers being detrimental to the Black agenda, then I'd agree with you, but Tavis Smiley, Andrew Young, Sheila Jackson Lee, and Stephanie Tubbs are heroes, who when the cops have shot your asses, stood up for people, when the CIA has pumped crack into your community, Maxine Waters called them out. When Bush stole the election in 2000, it was the Congressional Black Caucus, who put up the biggest fight. Don't forget that. This is why so many rich niggaz just say fuck y'all, because y'all are the most fickle people on planet earth.
You make a couple of interesting observations.
You are making the closed minded assumption that his critics are wrong and that he's done so much for black america, exactly what has he ever done thats not been Tavis oriented.
I think if you're gonna have an agenda begging the white man to keep his promise to black america it might be important to announce that the forum supports the member from the black community who worked in the black community as an activist,who's running for president, what more important person can help make the covenant for black america the reality than a sitting President of the United States who happens to be black.
Why isolate him,Tavis claims he loves Barack and there's nothing he can do about it why then not be effusive in praise for the man why not turn it positive at every turn.
His critics are wrong. One decision, and a small one at that shouldn't get you the treatment that Tavis has gotten. That's a fact. And like I've said before, the Democratic frontrunners aren't that much different from each other, where you could say that supporting one or the other is so detrimental to the Black community that it renders somebody a sell-out. Maybe they just feel that a freshman senator would not be as effective as two term senator? Or maybe they believe in the effective Clinton political machine more? Either way, it's not like slavery's gonna get reinstituted if you vote for one, and if you vote for the other, we all get reparations. There's not that big of a difference, fundamentally. The big difference is between Democrat and Republikkkan, not between Democrat and Democrat. That's what makes this whole thing so fuckin' stupid. They're on the same team, and the one who loses will still probably end up in the cabinet, or even in the Vice Presidential slot with the winner, so why is this starting such warfare? Niggaz got no foresight, straight up.
The only reason people are upset is because someone talked shit about there favorite candidate, don't try and make the shit seem like its somehow complex. Tavis didn't do anything new here, he criticized the GOP candidates for not showing up at the black debates, and hes criticizing obama for declining TSOTBU invitation. The fact of the matter is anybody who criticizes Obama on this board, justifiable or not will get the backlash, which means there is hardly any validity to the Tavis Backlash on here.
And what are you talking about here? Its CNN interviewing him, there asking the questions and hes answering. If he feels a certain type of way about Obama why wouldn't say whats on his mind when asked about it?
Exactly, they act like he controls what people are talking about. The only thing that people are talking about this is the Obama fiasco, so what do you think he's gonna be talking abouy?
I wouldn't have a problem with anything you just said if Tavis was being honest about his intentions. He's not. He's flat out lying. Tavis has 2 major reasons for wanting Barack there:
1) Tavis
knows this is his last, best shot at a true power grab. Getting 2 popular candidates together is impressive...if you can do it. Tavis has been angling for HNIC for sometime now. He has done alot of good for the community. But, in his quest for power, he seems to have forgotten what he is truly fighting for. Barack winning the White House will bring the Black community together in a way that hasn't been seen since the 60's. Why would you want derail that? The reason is in REASON #2:
2) Tavis is a friend of the Clintons - as are most politically involved Blacks. That's not an issue by itself. It becomes an issue when you refuse to acknowledge it. You don't see Tavis vilifying McCain the way he is with Barack.
The ONLY reason Hillary is going is because she's not only fighting for her presidential chances, she's fighting for her political viability. If Black voters totally walk away from Clinton, it makes her vulnerable to keep her Senate seat, should another strong (Black) candidate decide to run against her. She has to save face with Black voters
now. What makes this situation so bad is that, truthfully, she really can't afford to miss campaigning in Texas to attend this event. But, what's even worse is that she can't afford to
not attend either. By attending the SOBU, Hillary Clinton is almost conceding her presidential hopes to save her overall career.
Take a look at the SOBU confirmed list of guests. It's full of Clinton surrogates, sprinkled with one or two known Barack supporters. Tavis is stacking the deck. Again, I say, Tavis is NOT being truthful about his true intentions. So when you say "Tavis is a good dude"....my answer is, I can't tell anymore.
"You ain't got to lie, Craig...you ain't got to lie."
Once again, nobody can tell me what he's doing to sabotage Obama? He offered him the same opportunity he offered Clinton. Obama is the only one who's making the decisions here. He's criticized every major candidate for not showing up to Black events, going back to 6 mos. ago, when he criticized the REpublikkkans.
I know what y'all want, you want him to help Obama get elected, but that's not his job. It's not his job to tell Hillary Clinton to fuck herself, when she's the only person who did what he asked. Now, any other year, none of y'all niggaz would have a problem with any of this. That's why I'm not respectin' y'all right now. You're biased. Just come out and admit it. You like the Black guy, and you think that every Black person who doesn't do everything in his or her power, including people who's job it is to be objective, to help him get in the White HOuse, is an "Uncle Tom". There aint no amount of reasoning that y'all can do to make that a fair statement.
I aint necessarily a fan of theirs, but who should be there? If Obama aint comin' and he's technically the biggest Black(but don't tell anybody he's Black) leader there is, then who's no.2? Al Sharpton. I don't necessarily agree with a lot of shit he does, but he is the biggest guy other than Obama and Jesse Jackson there is. The State of the Black Union aint just supposed to be people who co-sign all of your beliefs. It's supposed to be the people who control life in Black Amerikkka. It aint just supposed to be no popularity contest. You do know that right?
Exactly, these niggaz have no idea what they're talking about. He invited the man, and Obama chose not to show up. Case closed. As Tavis Smiley said 6 mos ago to the Republikkkans, "Anybody who wants to be president, should come and talk to the Black people".
tavis is a jounalist? he soft balled questions to Hillary and even has Bill Clintons book on his site...he wanted Obama there for ratings and so he could steal some thunder and rebuld his career...This had no benefit to Obama just Tavis...
Why would Obama allow himself to be used with no self benefit?
I bet you had no problem with it then in 1999, when dumb niggaz was calling Clinton "The First Black President". Clinton aint have to give Tavis that interview, which goes back to the original point. Tavis has a relationship going way back to The Clintons, if they're his friends, and he supports them, there's nothing wrong with that, unless you can prove that he is rendered bias by his friendship, which nobody has been able to.
All y'all can do is say,"Um. . . They work for Wal-Mart", but what does that have to do with Obama not showing up and Tavis criticizing him, just like he did all the Republikkkans that aint show up to other forums? Nothing. Like I said, It aint Tavis' job to put Obama in the White House. He gave him an opportunity to speak to "his" people, but he turned it down, for whatever reason. That's his and his fault alone, not Tavis'.