Tavis is still talking shit.....

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I was watching Wolf Blitzer (Situation Room) and they interviewed that coon Tavis. The whole segment of that peace was called "Obama's skipping State of the Black Union". He was saying it was a missed opportunity and kept saying it. Then he said I don't wanna demonize him, but he should be here. I can't believe this fool. He needs to get over it and shut the hell up.
 
Leave the man alone. I bet you he's done more for Black people than you have. Just because y'all are on Obama's nutsack, don't mean that he has to be. He's journalist, meaning his first job is to be objective. If somebody Black does something wrong, then he should cover it. It's not his job to let Obama slide. If Hillary had declined the invitation and tried to send Chelsea or Bill, all of y'all would be pissed off at her.

Just accept it, Tavis is a good dude, who did something you don't agree with. Fine, but don't demonize the guy over one thing and throw out the last 20 years of relationship that we've had between BET, PBS, radio, and all the other positive things that Tavis has been involved with.

Why can't y'all just be open minded to other people's opinions, instead of acting like some kind of lynch-mob.
 
What he says at this point in irrelevant...may even help Obama a little. Tavis is just trying to make his event significantly newsworthy....
 
To hell with Tavis he has been tearing down black people for the last 10 years.
 
lol fuck you and Tavis

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Leave the man alone. I bet you he's done more for Black people than you have. Just because y'all are on Obama's nutsack, don't mean that he has to be. He's journalist, meaning his first job is to be objective. If somebody Black does something wrong, then he should cover it. It's not his job to let Obama slide. If Hillary had declined the invitation and tried to send Chelsea or Bill, all of y'all would be pissed off at her.

Just accept it, Tavis is a good dude, who did something you don't agree with. Fine, but don't demonize the guy over one thing and throw out the last 20 years of relationship that we've had between BET, PBS, radio, and all the other positive things that Tavis has been involved with.

Why can't y'all just be open minded to other people's opinions, instead of acting like some kind of lynch-mob.
 
that lil bitch needs to stop crying. obama won't be there. get over it. :hmm:


oh, yeah. he'll be in cleveland tomorrow night. :dance:
 
Leave the man alone. I bet you he's done more for Black people than you have. Just because y'all are on Obama's nutsack, don't mean that he has to be. He's journalist, meaning his first job is to be objective. If somebody Black does something wrong, then he should cover it. It's not his job to let Obama slide. If Hillary had declined the invitation and tried to send Chelsea or Bill, all of y'all would be pissed off at her.

Just accept it, Tavis is a good dude, who did something you don't agree with. Fine, but don't demonize the guy over one thing and throw out the last 20 years of relationship that we've had between BET, PBS, radio, and all the other positive things that Tavis has been involved with.

Why can't y'all just be open minded to other people's opinions, instead of acting like some kind of lynch-mob.

I co-sign this to the fullest. I don't like Tavis's stance on this, but I'n not going to demonize him for the rest of his career.

Same thing with the Clinton's, yeah, they got kinda besides themselves with some of the undercover comments about Obama, but I'll be damn if I throw them in the same category as Rush Limpdick and the rest of them.

The Clinton's still have enough political clout that they can still help America and African American's out.

And isn't it what its all about?
 
Yeah, Tavis is still on the hildebeast payroll so he's got to continue to make Obama the black president.

-VG
 
Leave the man alone. I bet you he's done more for Black people than you have. Just because y'all are on Obama's nutsack, don't mean that he has to be. He's journalist, meaning his first job is to be objective. If somebody Black does something wrong, then he should cover it. It's not his job to let Obama slide. If Hillary had declined the invitation and tried to send Chelsea or Bill, all of y'all would be pissed off at her.

Just accept it, Tavis is a good dude, who did something you don't agree with. Fine, but don't demonize the guy over one thing and throw out the last 20 years of relationship that we've had between BET, PBS, radio, and all the other positive things that Tavis has been involved with.

Why can't y'all just be open minded to other people's opinions, instead of acting like some kind of lynch-mob.

I agree with you overall except for the fact that he should really let this go at this point.

And I think why people are upset is because this is becoming less about the SOTBU and more about him.

For those that defend Tavis, even y'all can see that.

I haven't seen the interview but if the OP is correct with what was discussed, there is your proof right there.

Instead about talking about the issues that would be discussed at the forum he is talking about Obama. Why not address the issues while you have the public attention??

This is my problem with this brother at the moment. This is what I believe to be the overall problem that people have with him.
 
Leave the man alone. I bet you he's done more for Black people than you have. Just because y'all are on Obama's nutsack, don't mean that he has to be. He's journalist, meaning his first job is to be objective. If somebody Black does something wrong, then he should cover it. It's not his job to let Obama slide. If Hillary had declined the invitation and tried to send Chelsea or Bill, all of y'all would be pissed off at her.

Just accept it, Tavis is a good dude, who did something you don't agree with. Fine, but don't demonize the guy over one thing and throw out the last 20 years of relationship that we've had between BET, PBS, radio, and all the other positive things that Tavis has been involved with.

Why can't y'all just be open minded to other people's opinions, instead of acting like some kind of lynch-mob.

Tavis, a journalist? shiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiit!
 
Free at last to decide

Palm Beach Post Editorial

Friday, February 22, 2008

African-American broadcast journalist Tavis Smiley has acknowledged that he's "catching hell" for seeming to demand that Sen. Obama attend his ninth annual "State of the Black Union" summit that starts today in New Orleans. Sen. Obama correctly decided that introducing himself to voters in Texas and Ohio was a greater priority than intellectualizing while Mr. Smiley shills for his book, The Covenant With Black America.

Mr. Smiley's refusal to allow Michelle Obama to appear on her husband's behalf only stoked the criticism on black-affairs Internet sites and radio shows. "Who died and made Tavis king? Does Tavis realize that Obama is trying to win an election?" wrote Melissa Harris-Lacewell, associate professor of politics and African-American studies at Princeton University, on TheRoot.com. When radio-TV commentator Roland Martin wrote at essence.com "Why Obama should skip Tavis Smiley's State of the Black Union," the first of 596 online comments flagged Smiley & Company's ongoing "negative whisper campaign against Obama."
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On the airwaves, too, Mr. Smiley has been scorched for not acknowledging his tacit support of Sen. Hillary Clinton. She already had announced that she will attend his summit. Sen. Clinton once served on the board of Mr. Smiley's major sponsor, Wal-Mart, and Bill Clinton gave Mr. Smiley the first softball interview to explain his side of the Monica Lewinsky scandal.

The Smiley-Obama dispute is just one example of the debate within black America over the first black presidential candidate who has a chance to win. At this point, America's black rank-and-file shows more maturity than some of the old-line black leadership. Where Mr. Smiley tried to strong-arm Sen. Obama, for example, Julian Bond is trying to finesse, without much finesse. The president of the NAACP has written the Democratic Party, arguing that failing to seat Florida's and Michigan's presidential delegates at the nominating convention would amount to discrimination against minority voters. Like Sen. Clinton, who agreed to the party rules but has flipped, Mr. Bond didn't care until now - when Sen. Clinton needs those delegates.

Ironically, Sen. Obama is what those in the civil rights movement yearned for. Many members of the black Establishment, though, are focused on preserving their influence. Mr. Bond hijacked the NAACP's name, without telling his board, to claim that what is good for Sen. Clinton is good for black people. Judging by the countless small voices, most black voters aren't buying it. A typical, heartening online comment was: "Barack Obama will be the president of the whole country and not a president focused just on our communities. Whatever black person doesn't understand this better understand that now."

And the black power brokers better start to understand that the sheep they claim to deliver have their own minds.
 
Obama takes heat for skipping annual black forum

By William Douglas | McClatchy Newspapers
WASHINGTON — Presidential politics will take center stage in New Orleans on Saturday at the annual "State of the Black Union" symposium, where the hottest topic is likely to be which candidate is there and which one isn't.

Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton will address a largely African-American crowd of thousands in New Orleans' Ernest M. Morial Convention Center — where thousands of the city's poorest residents sought shelter in squalid conditions after Hurricane Katrina in 2005.

Sen. Barack Obama, D-Ill., Clinton's Democratic rival, is skipping the event. He'll focus instead on campaigning in Texas and Ohio in hopes of delivering a knockout blow to Clinton in those states' presidential primaries on March 4.

The Republican presidential candidates, Sen. John McCain of Arizona and former Arkansas Gov. Mike Huckabee, also declined to attend the symposium, which television and radio talk show host Tavis Smiley organized and will host.

Obama's refusal to attend and Smiley's criticism of him for doing so have stirred debate within the African-American community and the blogosphere, taking both men to task.

"On one side, there are people who feel he (Obama) is about to make history and you (Smiley) are trying to mess it up," said Ronald Walters, an African-American political science professor at the University of Maryland. "Then there are others who feel that Obama needs to address issues important to African-Americans more than he has."

Clinton, meanwhile, is attending because she has to try to woo back African-American voters who've deserted her in droves, political analysts say. Within a year, African-American support has flipped from favoring her to backing Obama by as much as 80 percent to 90 percent in recent primaries.

Clinton could receive a cool reception from African-Americans, who think that her campaign — especially her husband, former President Bill Clinton — injected race into South Carolina's Democratic primary last month to try to marginalize Obama as "the black candidate."

"Her coming to the event, it's a bit of a risk. She could get a chilly reception," Walters said. "If it hadn't been for South Carolina, she could go into the forum expecting a good reception."

Minyon Moore, a Clinton campaign adviser, said the New York senator doesn't know what to expect on Saturday.

"After all that's been reported and said, what hasn't changed is the commitment of Hillary, and Bill, Clinton to civil rights and racial equality," Moore said. "If people are willing to listen to her, we'll win the day."

Saturday's events will deal largely with issues in Smiley's best-selling book, "The Covenant with Black America," which explores how the African-Americans should address key problems that affect them.

After Clinton readily accepted the invitation and Obama didn't, Smiley began to criticize Obama for not responding to his invitation, saying that some African-American leaders are concerned because Obama hasn't spoken enough about African-American issues on the campaign trail.

Obama brushed off Smiley's criticism last week during an appearance on the "Tom Joyner Morning Show" radio program, which has a largely African-American audience. He said he does address issues covered in Smiley's book.

"I'm going to have to call Tavis and straighten him out on this — I don't know why he (Smiley) hasn't called me directly," Obama told Joyner. "If the notion is that I should only be talking to black people, then I'm not going to win the presidency, because there are a whole lot of people out there who are white, Latino or Asian who've got a whole bunch (of issues) as well."

Obama's campaign offered Michelle Obama to speak on her husband's behalf in New Orleans, but Smiley declined the offer. Obama then sent a letter to Smiley officially turning down his invitation because he'll be campaigning in Texas and Ohio, where he still trails Clinton in opinion polls but is narrowing the gap.

Smiley called Obama's decision "a critical miscalculation and a missed opportunity."

"I think as close as this race is, the concerns of African-American people are important," Smiley said in an interview with McClatchy Newspaper. "The Clinton campaign has made moves — the appointment of Maggie Williams as campaign manager — to aggressively go after the African-American vote."

The Smiley-Obama flap has fueled sometimes-heated debate within the African-American community. Smiley, speaking on the Joyner program, hinted that he's received death threats for his Obama comments, though he declined to elaborate.

"I've been getting barbecued a lot lately," Smiley told McClatchy. "But it's never been about me. It's only about me now because some people are trying to change the subject. It's about who's coming and who's not."

Many say Smiley is in an ego-driven snit over Obama's rejection. A headline on an article last week on The Root, an African-American-oriented Web site, blared "Who Died and Made Tavis King."

"Tavis and his guests have every right to criticize Obama if they have substantive disagreements with his policy, his approach to politics or his viability as a general candidate," wrote Melissa Harris-Lacewell, a Princeton University African-American studies associate professor. "They do not have a right to create a false, racial litmus test."

Others find fault with Obama.

"Obama's campaign is unraveling," a reader named Jean wrote in a response to a Smiley-Obama post on McClatchy's Election 2008 blog. "His followers act like a cult. Tavis is a very respected broadcaster and has a right to expect cordiality."
 
I agree with you overall except for the fact that he should really let this go at this point.

And I think why people are upset is because this is becoming less about the SOTBU and more about him.

For those that defend Tavis, even y'all can see that.

I haven't seen the interview but if the OP is correct with what was discussed, there is your proof right there.

Instead about talking about the issues that would be discussed at the forum he is talking about Obama. Why not address the issues while you have the public attention??

This is my problem with this brother at the moment. This is what I believe to be the overall problem that people have with him.

:yes:
 
Leave the man alone. I bet you he's done more for Black people than you have. Just because y'all are on Obama's nutsack, don't mean that he has to be. He's journalist, meaning his first job is to be objective. If somebody Black does something wrong, then he should cover it. It's not his job to let Obama slide. If Hillary had declined the invitation and tried to send Chelsea or Bill, all of y'all would be pissed off at her.

Just accept it, Tavis is a good dude, who did something you don't agree with. Fine, but don't demonize the guy over one thing and throw out the last 20 years of relationship that we've had between BET, PBS, radio, and all the other positive things that Tavis has been involved with.

Why can't y'all just be open minded to other people's opinions, instead of acting like some kind of lynch-mob.

You make a couple of interesting observations.

You are making the closed minded assumption that his critics are wrong and that he's done so much for black america, exactly what has he ever done thats not been Tavis oriented.

I think if you're gonna have an agenda begging the white man to keep his promise to black america it might be important to announce that the forum supports the member from the black community who worked in the black community as an activist,who's running for president, what more important person can help make the covenant for black america the reality than a sitting President of the United States who happens to be black.

Why isolate him,Tavis claims he loves Barack and there's nothing he can do about it why then not be effusive in praise for the man why not turn it positive at every turn.
 
people can say whatever they want. Tavis wanted him there for RATINGS. that's it. He wants to be taken serious as a MAINSTREAM journalist. this would have put him in that direction having 2 presidential candidates at his event.
 
I agree with you overall except for the fact that he should really let this go at this point.

And I think why people are upset is because this is becoming less about the SOTBU and more about him.

For those that defend Tavis, even y'all can see that.

I haven't seen the interview but if the OP is correct with what was discussed, there is your proof right there.

This is my problem with this brother at the moment. This is what I believe to be the overall problem that people have with him.

The only reason people are upset is because someone talked shit about there favorite candidate, don't try and make the shit seem like its somehow complex. Tavis didn't do anything new here, he criticized the GOP candidates for not showing up at the black debates, and hes criticizing obama for declining TSOTBU invitation. The fact of the matter is anybody who criticizes Obama on this board, justifiable or not will get the backlash, which means there is hardly any validity to the Tavis Backlash on here.

Instead about talking about the issues that would be discussed at the forum he is talking about Obama. Why not address the issues while you have the public attention??

And what are you talking about here? Its CNN interviewing him, there asking the questions and hes answering. If he feels a certain type of way about Obama why wouldn't say whats on his mind when asked about it?
 
Leave the man alone. I bet you he's done more for Black people than you have. Just because y'all are on Obama's nutsack, don't mean that he has to be. He's journalist, meaning his first job is to be objective. If somebody Black does something wrong, then he should cover it. It's not his job to let Obama slide. If Hillary had declined the invitation and tried to send Chelsea or Bill, all of y'all would be pissed off at her.

Just accept it, Tavis is a good dude, who did something you don't agree with. Fine, but don't demonize the guy over one thing and throw out the last 20 years of relationship that we've had between BET, PBS, radio, and all the other positive things that Tavis has been involved with.

Why can't y'all just be open minded to other people's opinions, instead of acting like some kind of lynch-mob.

I wouldn't have a problem with anything you just said if Tavis was being honest about his intentions. He's not. He's flat out lying. Tavis has 2 major reasons for wanting Barack there:

1) Tavis knows this is his last, best shot at a true power grab. Getting 2 popular candidates together is impressive...if you can do it. Tavis has been angling for HNIC for sometime now. He has done alot of good for the community. But, in his quest for power, he seems to have forgotten what he is truly fighting for. Barack winning the White House will bring the Black community together in a way that hasn't been seen since the 60's. Why would you want derail that? The reason is in REASON #2:


2) Tavis is a friend of the Clintons - as are most politically involved Blacks. That's not an issue by itself. It becomes an issue when you refuse to acknowledge it. You don't see Tavis vilifying McCain the way he is with Barack. The ONLY reason Hillary is going is because she's not only fighting for her presidential chances, she's fighting for her political viability. If Black voters totally walk away from Clinton, it makes her vulnerable to keep her Senate seat, should another strong (Black) candidate decide to run against her. She has to save face with Black voters now. What makes this situation so bad is that, truthfully, she really can't afford to miss campaigning in Texas to attend this event. But, what's even worse is that she can't afford to not attend either. By attending the SOBU, Hillary Clinton is almost conceding her presidential hopes to save her overall career.

Take a look at the SOBU confirmed list of guests. It's full of Clinton surrogates, sprinkled with one or two known Barack supporters. Tavis is stacking the deck. Again, I say, Tavis is NOT being truthful about his true intentions. So when you say "Tavis is a good dude"....my answer is, I can't tell anymore.

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"You ain't got to lie, Craig...you ain't got to lie."
 
It's funny how we go back and forth on this dude......Tavis has done his sure of positive for the "community" and for that we should all be thankful......but to who much is given much is expected....and the stuff he's been trying to pull lately with Obama is just a little crazy.....truly he understands that this man has bigger picture to work for outside of just stopping the campaign trial for his event.....I don't care if is a Black State of the Union address.....He's gonna need more than our vote to get into office. Here's my questions why do we have to have our own seperate State of the Union.....Just asking.....
 
It really doesn't matter what Tavis says. In the grand scheme of things all he is really doing is throwing away HIS chance to get exclusives after Obama is president.
 
Obama's got business to take care of. And Tavis isn't even in Congress for him to be saying anything. Trying to be the authoritative voice for African Americans. He can sit his happy behind down. He think he all that since he went for speech therapy to get rid of that lisp :rolleyes:
 
Leave the man alone. I bet you he's done more for Black people than you have. Just because y'all are on Obama's nutsack, don't mean that he has to be. He's journalist, meaning his first job is to be objective. If somebody Black does something wrong, then he should cover it. It's not his job to let Obama slide. If Hillary had declined the invitation and tried to send Chelsea or Bill, all of y'all would be pissed off at her.

Just accept it, Tavis is a good dude, who did something you don't agree with. Fine, but don't demonize the guy over one thing and throw out the last 20 years of relationship that we've had between BET, PBS, radio, and all the other positive things that Tavis has been involved with.

Why can't y'all just be open minded to other people's opinions, instead of acting like some kind of lynch-mob.

Negroe please. Tavis is only concerned about himself. He feels threatened that Obama is going to take his spotlight..thats all this is about. Thats why most of the black elite are opposed to Obama's ascent. Tavis is supposed to represent black people..in his opposition to Obama he does not evidenced by the fact that Obama has won between 80 to 90% of the black vote
 
Negroe please. Tavis is only concerned about himself. He feels threatened that Obama is going to take his spotlight..thats all this is about. Thats why most of the black elite are opposed to Obama's ascent. Tavis is supposed to represent black people..in his opposition to Obama he does not evidenced by the fact that Obama has won between 80 to 90% of the black vote

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If Tavis was afraid of Obama stealing his shine then why the fuck would he invite him to TSOTBU in the first place? I swear the more comments i see on this whole Tavis/Obama situation the more obvious it becomes that people are just shittin on tavis just for the hell of it.
 
tavis is a jounalist? he soft balled questions to Hillary and even has Bill Clintons book on his site...he wanted Obama there for ratings and so he could steal some thunder and rebuld his career...This had no benefit to Obama just Tavis...
Why would Obama allow himself to be used with no self benefit?
 
lol fuck you and Tavis

:lol:

Yeah, that's a real intelligent comeback, n*gga. You really put me in my place.

I co-sign this to the fullest. I don't like Tavis's stance on this, but I'n not going to demonize him for the rest of his career.

Same thing with the Clinton's, yeah, they got kinda besides themselves with some of the undercover comments about Obama, but I'll be damn if I throw them in the same category as Rush Limpdick and the rest of them.

The Clinton's still have enough political clout that they can still help America and African American's out.

And isn't it what its all about?

Exactly. The board needs to read your post over and over. They've taken to demonizing people over 1 small difference of opinion. Niggaz like this would be Barack Obama's downfall. Even he wouldn't agree with shit like this.

I agree with you overall except for the fact that he should really let this go at this point.

And I think why people are upset is because this is becoming less about the SOTBU and more about him.

For those that defend Tavis, even y'all can see that.

I haven't seen the interview but if the OP is correct with what was discussed, there is your proof right there.

Instead about talking about the issues that would be discussed at the forum he is talking about Obama. Why not address the issues while you have the public attention??

This is my problem with this brother at the moment. This is what I believe to be the overall problem that people have with him.

That's because the event has been shrouded in the Obama controversy. That what everybody's talking about, nowadays. He can't control the questions he's being asked and the things people are saying about him. I'm sure that he would've been more than happy to talk about the issues, if niggaz like y'all and the media would let him, but y'all are determined to fry him, so what is he gonna do?

yet you're on here clownin people who DON'T agree w/smiley? take your own advice :smh:
How many anti-Obama threads have I made? None.

I have a problem with the fundamentalists on this board, who are defaming and demonizing the best and brightest that we've had in the Black media. These are politicians and pundits that when OJ, or the LA Riots, or Katrina, have taken time out of their days and careers to balance the racist media's always anti-Black stances, and because they make one decision, a small one at that, you're gonna kill 'em?

Nah, I can't respect that. If we're talking about Condoleeza, or Clarence Thomas, or Ward Connerly, or people who've spent their whole careers being detrimental to the Black agenda, then I'd agree with you, but Tavis Smiley, Andrew Young, Sheila Jackson Lee, and Stephanie Tubbs are heroes, who when the cops have shot your asses, stood up for people, when the CIA has pumped crack into your community, Maxine Waters called them out. When Bush stole the election in 2000, it was the Congressional Black Caucus, who put up the biggest fight. Don't forget that. This is why so many rich niggaz just say fuck y'all, because y'all are the most fickle people on planet earth.

You make a couple of interesting observations.

You are making the closed minded assumption that his critics are wrong and that he's done so much for black america, exactly what has he ever done thats not been Tavis oriented.

I think if you're gonna have an agenda begging the white man to keep his promise to black america it might be important to announce that the forum supports the member from the black community who worked in the black community as an activist,who's running for president, what more important person can help make the covenant for black america the reality than a sitting President of the United States who happens to be black.

Why isolate him,Tavis claims he loves Barack and there's nothing he can do about it why then not be effusive in praise for the man why not turn it positive at every turn.

His critics are wrong. One decision, and a small one at that shouldn't get you the treatment that Tavis has gotten. That's a fact. And like I've said before, the Democratic frontrunners aren't that much different from each other, where you could say that supporting one or the other is so detrimental to the Black community that it renders somebody a sell-out. Maybe they just feel that a freshman senator would not be as effective as two term senator? Or maybe they believe in the effective Clinton political machine more? Either way, it's not like slavery's gonna get reinstituted if you vote for one, and if you vote for the other, we all get reparations. There's not that big of a difference, fundamentally. The big difference is between Democrat and Republikkkan, not between Democrat and Democrat. That's what makes this whole thing so fuckin' stupid. They're on the same team, and the one who loses will still probably end up in the cabinet, or even in the Vice Presidential slot with the winner, so why is this starting such warfare? Niggaz got no foresight, straight up.

The only reason people are upset is because someone talked shit about there favorite candidate, don't try and make the shit seem like its somehow complex. Tavis didn't do anything new here, he criticized the GOP candidates for not showing up at the black debates, and hes criticizing obama for declining TSOTBU invitation. The fact of the matter is anybody who criticizes Obama on this board, justifiable or not will get the backlash, which means there is hardly any validity to the Tavis Backlash on here.



And what are you talking about here? Its CNN interviewing him, there asking the questions and hes answering. If he feels a certain type of way about Obama why wouldn't say whats on his mind when asked about it?

Exactly, they act like he controls what people are talking about. The only thing that people are talking about this is the Obama fiasco, so what do you think he's gonna be talking abouy?

I wouldn't have a problem with anything you just said if Tavis was being honest about his intentions. He's not. He's flat out lying. Tavis has 2 major reasons for wanting Barack there:

1) Tavis knows this is his last, best shot at a true power grab. Getting 2 popular candidates together is impressive...if you can do it. Tavis has been angling for HNIC for sometime now. He has done alot of good for the community. But, in his quest for power, he seems to have forgotten what he is truly fighting for. Barack winning the White House will bring the Black community together in a way that hasn't been seen since the 60's. Why would you want derail that? The reason is in REASON #2:


2) Tavis is a friend of the Clintons - as are most politically involved Blacks. That's not an issue by itself. It becomes an issue when you refuse to acknowledge it. You don't see Tavis vilifying McCain the way he is with Barack. The ONLY reason Hillary is going is because she's not only fighting for her presidential chances, she's fighting for her political viability. If Black voters totally walk away from Clinton, it makes her vulnerable to keep her Senate seat, should another strong (Black) candidate decide to run against her. She has to save face with Black voters now. What makes this situation so bad is that, truthfully, she really can't afford to miss campaigning in Texas to attend this event. But, what's even worse is that she can't afford to not attend either. By attending the SOBU, Hillary Clinton is almost conceding her presidential hopes to save her overall career.

Take a look at the SOBU confirmed list of guests. It's full of Clinton surrogates, sprinkled with one or two known Barack supporters. Tavis is stacking the deck. Again, I say, Tavis is NOT being truthful about his true intentions. So when you say "Tavis is a good dude"....my answer is, I can't tell anymore.

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"You ain't got to lie, Craig...you ain't got to lie."

Once again, nobody can tell me what he's doing to sabotage Obama? He offered him the same opportunity he offered Clinton. Obama is the only one who's making the decisions here. He's criticized every major candidate for not showing up to Black events, going back to 6 mos. ago, when he criticized the REpublikkkans.

I know what y'all want, you want him to help Obama get elected, but that's not his job. It's not his job to tell Hillary Clinton to fuck herself, when she's the only person who did what he asked. Now, any other year, none of y'all niggaz would have a problem with any of this. That's why I'm not respectin' y'all right now. You're biased. Just come out and admit it. You like the Black guy, and you think that every Black person who doesn't do everything in his or her power, including people who's job it is to be objective, to help him get in the White HOuse, is an "Uncle Tom". There aint no amount of reasoning that y'all can do to make that a fair statement.

I like Tavis but...........

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This is what this has become?

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I aint necessarily a fan of theirs, but who should be there? If Obama aint comin' and he's technically the biggest Black(but don't tell anybody he's Black) leader there is, then who's no.2? Al Sharpton. I don't necessarily agree with a lot of shit he does, but he is the biggest guy other than Obama and Jesse Jackson there is. The State of the Black Union aint just supposed to be people who co-sign all of your beliefs. It's supposed to be the people who control life in Black Amerikkka. It aint just supposed to be no popularity contest. You do know that right?

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If Tavis was afraid of Obama stealing his shine then why the fuck would he invite him to TSOTBU in the first place? I swear the more comments i see on this whole Tavis/Obama situation the more obvious it becomes that people are just shittin on tavis just for the hell of it.

Exactly, these niggaz have no idea what they're talking about. He invited the man, and Obama chose not to show up. Case closed. As Tavis Smiley said 6 mos ago to the Republikkkans, "Anybody who wants to be president, should come and talk to the Black people".

tavis is a jounalist? he soft balled questions to Hillary and even has Bill Clintons book on his site...he wanted Obama there for ratings and so he could steal some thunder and rebuld his career...This had no benefit to Obama just Tavis...
Why would Obama allow himself to be used with no self benefit?

I bet you had no problem with it then in 1999, when dumb niggaz was calling Clinton "The First Black President". Clinton aint have to give Tavis that interview, which goes back to the original point. Tavis has a relationship going way back to The Clintons, if they're his friends, and he supports them, there's nothing wrong with that, unless you can prove that he is rendered bias by his friendship, which nobody has been able to.

All y'all can do is say,"Um. . . They work for Wal-Mart", but what does that have to do with Obama not showing up and Tavis criticizing him, just like he did all the Republikkkans that aint show up to other forums? Nothing. Like I said, It aint Tavis' job to put Obama in the White House. He gave him an opportunity to speak to "his" people, but he turned it down, for whatever reason. That's his and his fault alone, not Tavis'.
 
exactly the clintons are his friends which is why he is going hard on his anti-obama attack and soft balled questions to Hillary...
 
secondly Obama isn't runnng as the black president he's running a man who happens to be black....while Hillary was saying the same shit repeatedly Obama was speaking to THE PEOPLE in communities while Hillary was on tv smiling and joking and praising Bill Clinton..
Obama was speaking to "his" people...
 
Yeah, Tavis is still on the hildebeast payroll so he's got to continue to make Obama the black president.

-VG

Exactly, this is what Tavis is trying to do and it will be fatal to Obama's campaign. Obama is to brilliant for Tavis and he can see that the Clinton's are trying to use that Coon to tag Obama as the black candidate. Obama did the right thing and he should not go on Tavis's show or any forum that may make him seem that he is only going to cater to the advancement of black folks.
 
Yeah, that's a real intelligent comeback, n*gga. You really put me in my place.



Exactly. The board needs to read your post over and over. They've taken to demonizing people over 1 small difference of opinion. Niggaz like this would be Barack Obama's downfall. Even he wouldn't agree with shit like this.



That's because the event has been shrouded in the Obama controversy. That what everybody's talking about, nowadays. He can't control the questions he's being asked and the things people are saying about him. I'm sure that he would've been more than happy to talk about the issues, if niggaz like y'all and the media would let him, but y'all are determined to fry him, so what is he gonna do?


How many anti-Obama threads have I made? None.

I have a problem with the fundamentalists on this board, who are defaming and demonizing the best and brightest that we've had in the Black media. These are politicians and pundits that when OJ, or the LA Riots, or Katrina, have taken time out of their days and careers to balance the racist media's always anti-Black stances, and because they make one decision, a small one at that, you're gonna kill 'em?

Nah, I can't respect that. If we're talking about Condoleeza, or Clarence Thomas, or Ward Connerly, or people who've spent their whole careers being detrimental to the Black agenda, then I'd agree with you, but Tavis Smiley, Andrew Young, Sheila Jackson Lee, and Stephanie Tubbs are heroes, who when the cops have shot your asses, stood up for people, when the CIA has pumped crack into your community, Maxine Waters called them out. When Bush stole the election in 2000, it was the Congressional Black Caucus, who put up the biggest fight. Don't forget that. This is why so many rich niggaz just say fuck y'all, because y'all are the most fickle people on planet earth.



His critics are wrong. One decision, and a small one at that shouldn't get you the treatment that Tavis has gotten. That's a fact. And like I've said before, the Democratic frontrunners aren't that much different from each other, where you could say that supporting one or the other is so detrimental to the Black community that it renders somebody a sell-out. Maybe they just feel that a freshman senator would not be as effective as two term senator? Or maybe they believe in the effective Clinton political machine more? Either way, it's not like slavery's gonna get reinstituted if you vote for one, and if you vote for the other, we all get reparations. There's not that big of a difference, fundamentally. The big difference is between Democrat and Republikkkan, not between Democrat and Democrat. That's what makes this whole thing so fuckin' stupid. They're on the same team, and the one who loses will still probably end up in the cabinet, or even in the Vice Presidential slot with the winner, so why is this starting such warfare? Niggaz got no foresight, straight up.



Exactly, they act like he controls what people are talking about. The only thing that people are talking about this is the Obama fiasco, so what do you think he's gonna be talking abouy?



Once again, nobody can tell me what he's doing to sabotage Obama? He offered him the same opportunity he offered Clinton. Obama is the only one who's making the decisions here. He's criticized every major candidate for not showing up to Black events, going back to 6 mos. ago, when he criticized the REpublikkkans.

I know what y'all want, you want him to help Obama get elected, but that's not his job. It's not his job to tell Hillary Clinton to fuck herself, when she's the only person who did what he asked. Now, any other year, none of y'all niggaz would have a problem with any of this. That's why I'm not respectin' y'all right now. You're biased. Just come out and admit it. You like the Black guy, and you think that every Black person who doesn't do everything in his or her power, including people who's job it is to be objective, to help him get in the White HOuse, is an "Uncle Tom". There aint no amount of reasoning that y'all can do to make that a fair statement.



I aint necessarily a fan of theirs, but who should be there? If Obama aint comin' and he's technically the biggest Black(but don't tell anybody he's Black) leader there is, then who's no.2? Al Sharpton. I don't necessarily agree with a lot of shit he does, but he is the biggest guy other than Obama and Jesse Jackson there is. The State of the Black Union aint just supposed to be people who co-sign all of your beliefs. It's supposed to be the people who control life in Black Amerikkka. It aint just supposed to be no popularity contest. You do know that right?



Exactly, these niggaz have no idea what they're talking about. He invited the man, and Obama chose not to show up. Case closed. As Tavis Smiley said 6 mos ago to the Republikkkans, "Anybody who wants to be president, should come and talk to the Black people".



I bet you had no problem with it then in 1999, when dumb niggaz was calling Clinton "The First Black President". Clinton aint have to give Tavis that interview, which goes back to the original point. Tavis has a relationship going way back to The Clintons, if they're his friends, and he supports them, there's nothing wrong with that, unless you can prove that he is rendered bias by his friendship, which nobody has been able to.

All y'all can do is say,"Um. . . They work for Wal-Mart", but what does that have to do with Obama not showing up and Tavis criticizing him, just like he did all the Republikkkans that aint show up to other forums? Nothing. Like I said, It aint Tavis' job to put Obama in the White House. He gave him an opportunity to speak to "his" people, but he turned it down, for whatever reason. That's his and his fault alone, not Tavis'.

you right man.
but you wasting your breath, cats on here thinks obama is the messiah.
 
The more he talks, the deeper a hole he digs himself into. People are not dumb and can see right through him, no matter how many of his influential friends he gets to take up for him. You can tell he has hate for Barack Obama by the way he hemmed & hawed when anybody spoke about him. I just want to know what exactly changed how Tavis felt about Barack since last October when he was all on Barack's nuts:

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