Tavis & Dr. West gettin' at Obama again

The REAL powers that be's plan is working so well I have to tip my hat to them. They have taken White Supremacy, put a black face on it, and now niggas are cool with the agenda. :smh: When Bush was in office, everybody was anti-war and questioning whether we were being lied to about Al-Qaeda's actual role in the 9/11 attacks and our true reason for being in Iraq and Afghanistan. Now that we have a son of an African immigrant (and i've seen a lot of African bashing on the board) and white mother in office all of this is cool and it's "Whatever you say Mr. President." Are we turning our backs on brothers that have spoken up for us for years in favor of this cat who no one heard of prior to 2003 (unless you are from Illinois or read his first book), who refuses to discuss African American problems for fear of political backlash, because the CAC's put him in front of us? I was proud to have a person of color become president but in the back of my mind I knew there was some trickery involved and judging from the reactions I hear from my fellow brothers whenever Obama is criticized in the least is scary. :smh:

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And this is why you can't take Tavis seriously. He's blatantly making up what he thinks the president said.

Because here's what the President said in his speech:


I make this statement mindful of what Martin Luther King said in this same ceremony years ago - "Violence never brings permanent peace. It solves no social problem: it merely creates new and more complicated ones." As someone who stands here as a direct consequence of Dr. King's life's work, I am living testimony to the moral force of non-violence. I know there is nothing weak -nothing passive - nothing naïve - in the creed and lives of Gandhi and King.

But as a head of state sworn to protect and defend my nation, I cannot be guided by their examples alone. I face the world as it is, and cannot stand idle in the face of threats to the American people. For make no mistake: evil does exist in the world. A non-violent movement could not have halted Hitler's armies. Negotiations cannot convince al Qaeda's leaders to lay down their arms. To say that force is sometimes necessary is not a call to cynicism - it is a recognition of history; the imperfections of man and the limits of reason.

a well reasoned statement.

this was a reach on smiley's part
 
Tavis is still publishing R Kelly's autobiography right? How is he trying to act like he has clean hands in a conversation about addressing the needs of the Black community?
 
Depends.

If you use it for insight and knowing when to do the right thing, then yes.

This strikes me as advocacy of cafeteria Christianity.

Shouldn't you always do the right thing?

If you use it as a reason to do what you want because God told you to, then yes it's suicidal. I seriously think that a lot of the things Bush did was due to this. The Bible can be twisted into cosigning just about anything. The key is to actually understanding it all instead of looking to it for justification to do what you want.

Well, if you believe God speaks to people, as Bush is far from alone in claiming to believe, then how can you dismiss that?

And separating actual understanding from twisting is a matter of perspective.
 
And this is why you can't take Tavis seriously. He's blatantly making up what he thinks the president said.

Because here's what the President said in his speech:


I make this statement mindful of what Martin Luther King said in this same ceremony years ago - "Violence never brings permanent peace. It solves no social problem: it merely creates new and more complicated ones." As someone who stands here as a direct consequence of Dr. King's life's work, I am living testimony to the moral force of non-violence. I know there is nothing weak -nothing passive - nothing naïve - in the creed and lives of Gandhi and King.

But as a head of state sworn to protect and defend my nation, I cannot be guided by their examples alone. I face the world as it is, and cannot stand idle in the face of threats to the American people. For make no mistake: evil does exist in the world. A non-violent movement could not have halted Hitler's armies. Negotiations cannot convince al Qaeda's leaders to lay down their arms. To say that force is sometimes necessary is not a call to cynicism - it is a recognition of history; the imperfections of man and the limits of reason.

I watched the clip and while Obama did not "criticize Martin" as Cornel West said, it is not really a stretch to say that he did mildly criticize Martin's ideas as "not useful for commander-in-chief," as West said.

The trouble with Obama's remarks is that they are contradictory. He tries to have it both ways.

On one hand, he says "I know there is nothing weak -nothing passive - nothing naïve - in the creed and lives of Gandhi and King."

Directly after, though, he says "I cannot be guided by their examples alone." Okay. He doesn't say here who else he follows but he does say "I face the world as it is," which is a pretty clear implication that Gandhi and King did not, that they were naïve idealists. They philosophized about the world as it should be while President Obama is forced to face the world as it is.

On one hand, Obama says there is nothing passive about the creed of Gandhi and King. Yet he states that his point of departure from their example is that he "cannot stand idle in the face of threats to the American people."

How is he not saying that the creed of King is insufficient idealism and that his realism, built upon a "recognition of history," is better suited for presidential leadership?

"For make no mistake: evil does exist in the world." As if the naïve nonviolent philosophy of King did not recognize this truth. Please. Cornel West's indignation at this patronizing counsel seems more than justified. Tavis Smiley did not at all misrepresent President Obama.

I suggest everyone in this thread look at Wednesday night's special with an open and objective mind-- It seems as if Smiley is helping to present a very worthwhile and necessary message.
 
I mean really Dr. King was one of the great human beings of alltime he stood for the moral code of love and justice. The President is a politician trying to the do work of a nation of hundreds of millions. He's political always. Dr. King was about love and moral certainty.

The President will never be as good a man as Dr. King hell no one will he's not cut in that lineage despite springing up from the roots of that tree.
 

Exactly. I'm tired of seeing my own people trying to bash their own. Takin' shit out of context because you mad that you weren't granted a second interview and he didn't come to your black state of the union...:hmm:

Negro needs to grow up and stop taking shit personal. This is the President here, he has to show some type of decorum and at least act the part as the leader of the free world instead of the leader of the Black power conscious movement...:hmm:

Well lets face it, the president is worthless. He has NOTHING to do with us. I don't know why black people are so over-excited at this point.
 
I haven't listened yet but IF Obama said it that way (and I didn't see the Nobel speech and I'm sure his exact words were not "Dr. King couldn't navigate in today's world"), it would be an idiotic statement worth attacking. (Probably not half a year later, though.)

I'll watch it with an open mind when I get back.

u gotta be kiddin. dr. king lived by the non-violent principle and should be applauded for putting that belief into action, but for you to believe that the president of a country should do the same is beyond ridiculous.

so you're basically saying that any nation or individual that physically attacks the usa should face no repercussions. . . . .

dr. king was a scholar and activist. obama is a scholar and president of the usa. big difference between the responsibilities of the two. kinda weird that you don't see that
 
u gotta be kiddin. dr. king lived by the non-violent principle and should be applauded for putting that belief into action, but for you to believe that the president of a country should do the same is beyond ridiculous.

so you're basically saying that any nation or individual that physically attacks the usa should face no repercussions. . . . .

dr. king was a scholar and activist. obama is a scholar and president of the usa. big difference between the responsibilities of the two. kinda weird that you don't see that
Look at post #41, that is not at all what I am saying.

What you bolded from my first reply: "It"-- Obama saying 'Dr. King couldn't navigate in today's world'-- "would be an idiotic statement worth attacking" doesn't suggest at all what your reply would indicate. The idiotic statement would be Obama's, though that was not exactly what he said and I addressed his exact words later.
 
I presume that you don't know what the fuck you're talking about and you confirm it on a regular basis...

Sir, i have already addressed and dealt with your "KIND": ACUR; BUK, etc. Funny thing is that i was addressing the OP...now, if i don't know what i am talking about, then simply put me on your ignore list or ignore my statements. Like i told other BGOL members, i am not here looking for a consensus with any one or trying to convince any one that RACISM IS WHITE SUPREMACY AND WHITE SUPREMACY IS RACISM. This is just about the truth and not a personal or emotional issue. Now, deal with it Sir. oNe!!!
 
Well lets face it, the president is worthless. He has NOTHING to do with us. I don't know why black people are so over-excited at this point.

He's not the President of Black America :hmm: Why wouldn't we get excited for a black man to be the leader of the free world? He's doesn't have all the extra baggage like Jessie Jackson and Al Sharpton. He's done things the right way.

His greatest impact on Black America won't come until after he's done being president.
 
The REAL powers that be's plan is working so well I have to tip my hat to them. They have taken White Supremacy, put a black face on it, and now niggas are cool with the agenda. :smh: When Bush was in office, everybody was anti-war and questioning whether we were being lied to about Al-Qaeda's actual role in the 9/11 attacks and our true reason for being in Iraq and Afghanistan. Now that we have a son of an African immigrant (and i've seen a lot of African bashing on the board) and white mother in office all of this is cool and it's "Whatever you say Mr. President." Are we turning our backs on brothers that have spoken up for us for years in favor of this cat who no one heard of prior to 2003 (unless you are from Illinois or read his first book), who refuses to discuss African American problems for fear of political backlash, who wouldn't sit down and discuss African American issues with the leading thinkers/activist in the black community yet kissed "Israel's" ass every chance he got, because the CAC's put him in front of us? I was proud to have a person of color become president but in the back of my mind I knew there was some trickery involved and judging from the reactions I hear from my fellow brothers whenever Obama is criticized in the least, their plan is working. Good job fellas! :smh:

well said, but they dont want to hear you
 
On one hand, he says "I know there is nothing weak -nothing passive - nothing naïve - in the creed and lives of Gandhi and King."

Directly after, though, he says "I cannot be guided by their examples alone." Okay. He doesn't say here who else he follows but he does say "I face the world as it is," which is a pretty clear implication that Gandhi and King did not, that they were naïve idealists. They philosophized about the world as it should be while President Obama is forced to face the world as it is.

Well King and Gandhi followed non-violent resistance, which is fine, but which only works if your opponent is civilized enough to have a semblance of a shared moral code and can be pushed to do the right thing by shame or by other means of influence not involving force.

Because if ones opponent doesn't have a semblance of a shared moral code, as was the case with the Nazi's and is the case with actual fundamentalist extremists, it won't work.


On one hand, Obama says there is nothing passive about the creed of Gandhi and King. Yet he states that his point of departure from their example is that he "cannot stand idle in the face of threats to the American people."

"For make no mistake: evil does exist in the world." As if the naïve nonviolent philosophy of King did not recognize this truth. Please. Cornel West's indignation at this patronizing counsel seems more than justified. Tavis Smiley did not at all misrepresent President Obama.

It wasn't patronizing just a recognition that non-violent resistance doesn't work in all cases. Which is true.

And he didn't state that King doesn't recognize that evil exists in the world just that they take a different approach to dealing with it.

And Tavis did misrepresent and outright lie about what the president said.

He stated the President said King couldn't navigate into today's world, which is absurd, the President stated he is guided by King's example as well as Gandhi's, but that he can't be guided by their examples alone.
 
wow i watched this, and it was very deep.

dr king didn't give a damn about politics - he went up there and said what he NEEDED to say.

just to be real: obama (nor anybody) can't do this today, even if he wanted to...we just live in a different world.
 
wow i watched this, and it was very deep.

dr king didn't give a damn about politics - he went up there and said what he NEEDED to say.

just to be real: obama (nor anybody) can't do this today, even if he wanted to...we just live in a different world.

Same world. People just place politics ahead of real life. White folks been like this, now they got niggas thinking the same way. :smh:
 
Eh... Maybe the Presidency is immoral by definition, then. I don't really think that excuses the views or actions of the office-holder as nobody forced him into that position.

I'd say Christianity, for a President, is unworkable and suicidal... Would you agree with that?

I thought about it and I agree. The Presidency is not a place to practice real Christianity, which is strongly based in forgiveness. Being President makes a person the commander-in-chief of our military and war is decidedly anti-Christian but is sometimes necessary. While Obama has used our military at times, he's done more to advocate and practice diplomacy than his predeccesor.
I wouldn't call the Presidency "immoral" as much as "amoral". The morals of the office are shaped by the person in it.

The REAL powers that be's plan is working so well I have to tip my hat to them. They have taken White Supremacy, put a black face on it, and now niggas are cool with the agenda. :smh: When Bush was in office, everybody was anti-war and questioning whether we were being lied to about Al-Qaeda's actual role in the 9/11 attacks and our true reason for being in Iraq and Afghanistan. Now that we have a son of an African immigrant (and i've seen a lot of African bashing on the board) and white mother in office all of this is cool and it's "Whatever you say Mr. President." Are we turning our backs on brothers that have spoken up for us for years in favor of this cat who no one heard of prior to 2003 (unless you are from Illinois or read his first book), who refuses to discuss African American problems for fear of political backlash, who wouldn't sit down and discuss African American issues with the leading thinkers/activist in the black community yet kissed "Israel's" ass every chance he got, because the CAC's put him in front of us? I was proud to have a person of color become president but in the back of my mind I knew there was some trickery involved and judging from the reactions I hear from my fellow brothers whenever Obama is criticized in the least, their plan is working. Good job fellas! :smh:

Nonsense and lies. You're just as much of a liar on Obama as the crackas on Fox News. You may not be one but you act like one. This President is open to criticism but you don't lie.
I'm turning my back on Tavis Smiley (who I was a big fan of) because he's allowed his ego to guide him and not his passion for Black people. I don't care what you did yesterday, if you're fucked up now, that's what I go by.
This President has spent more time on Black issues than any Presidnet of recent memory. To say otherwise is a lie.
Ask Israel if he kisses their ass. He just had their PM at the White House and treated him like an uninvited guest. Just another lie.
If you were one of those that thought we just elected Eldridge Cleaver, the mistake is yours, not his.

I watched the clip and while Obama did not "criticize Martin" as Cornel West said, it is not really a stretch to say that he did mildly criticize Martin's ideas as "not useful for commander-in-chief," as West said.

The trouble with Obama's remarks is that they are contradictory. He tries to have it both ways.

On one hand, he says "I know there is nothing weak -nothing passive - nothing naïve - in the creed and lives of Gandhi and King."

Directly after, though, he says "I cannot be guided by their examples alone." Okay. He doesn't say here who else he follows but he does say "I face the world as it is," which is a pretty clear implication that Gandhi and King did not, that they were naïve idealists. They philosophized about the world as it should be while President Obama is forced to face the world as it is.

On one hand, Obama says there is nothing passive about the creed of Gandhi and King. Yet he states that his point of departure from their example is that he "cannot stand idle in the face of threats to the American people."

How is he not saying that the creed of King is insufficient idealism and that his realism, built upon a "recognition of history," is better suited for presidential leadership?

"For make no mistake: evil does exist in the world." As if the naïve nonviolent philosophy of King did not recognize this truth. Please. Cornel West's indignation at this patronizing counsel seems more than justified. Tavis Smiley did not at all misrepresent President Obama.

I suggest everyone in this thread look at Wednesday night's special with an open and objective mind-- It seems as if Smiley is helping to present a very worthwhile and necessary message.

I hear you but I came to a different interpretation. To me, it was a statement in the difference between an activist and the Office of the President. King was an idealist and Obama definitely has some of that in him but that will only get you so far. Some countries will need to be shown that you are more than willing to use force. You can't threaten and not be willing to pull the trigger.That's a reality that Obama faces that King did not. King faced an intractable, dangerous enemy but King was media savvy and those crackas played right into his hands. As an activist, nonviolence has a history of success as a tactic. But as a leader of a country, it would be detrimental.
Smiley's smart enough to know the difference but he's got his panties in a wad over Obama and is willing to make up all kinds of ridiculous notions against him.

wow i watched this, and it was very deep.

dr king didn't give a damn about politics - he went up there and said what he NEEDED to say.

just to be real: obama (nor anybody) can't do this today, even if he wanted to...we just live in a different world.


He didn't have to, he wasn't a politician. Comparing Obama to him is just stupid (not saying you were or weren't). Compare Obama to Adam Clayton Powell or Douglas Wilder.
 
I haven't listened yet but IF Obama said it that way (and I didn't see the Nobel speech and I'm sure his exact words were not "Dr. King couldn't navigate in today's world"), it would be an idiotic statement worth attacking. (Probably not half a year later, though.)

I'll watch it with an open mind when I get back.

Guess you could not read the OP's comment and tell travis said that.
 
The REAL powers that be's plan is working so well I have to tip my hat to them. They have taken White Supremacy, put a black face on it, and now niggas are cool with the agenda. :smh: When Bush was in office, everybody was anti-war and questioning whether we were being lied to about Al-Qaeda's actual role in the 9/11 attacks and our true reason for being in Iraq and Afghanistan. Now that we have a son of an African immigrant (and i've seen a lot of African bashing on the board) and white mother in office all of this is cool and it's "Whatever you say Mr. President." Are we turning our backs on brothers that have spoken up for us for years in favor of this cat who no one heard of prior to 2003 (unless you are from Illinois or read his first book), who refuses to discuss African American problems for fear of political backlash, who wouldn't sit down and discuss African American issues with the leading thinkers/activist in the black community yet kissed "Israel's" ass every chance he got, because the CAC's put him in front of us? I was proud to have a person of color become president but in the back of my mind I knew there was some trickery involved and judging from the reactions I hear from my fellow brothers whenever Obama is criticized in the least, their plan is working. Good job fellas! :smh:


c/s
What this shows is who's really for us blacks rising up, and those (You wont have no trouble out of me boss- coons. Who's scared of whites and care more about there well being than their own.:smh: Racist devil ass whites are gonna do what they do regardless, so why worry then. So fuck their feelings without us blacks waiting in line for hours to vote .Obama wouldn't have got elected point blank. He owe us blacks something for our votes (reversing the racist policies of the past). Just like any other large voting block who has been rewarded by this president (ie the coming immigration reform bill legalizing mexicans) for their votes.:hmm:

I applaud tavis for putting on that black agenda program on cspan last night, tavis showed like all the other guest pres obama love. Louis Farrakhan also spoke and pimped slapped all you -know your place, got the game backwards coons-, who expect nothing in return for your vote.:lol:
 
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I didn't hear the comment, but if that what Obama said then he simply meant that he can't be guided by an MLK/Gandhi philosophy of non-violence when you are the Commander in Chief of the world's greatest military.

As CIC, there are times when violence is the only viable option.

Niggas like The Legion of Haters (Tavis, Cornell, Dyson) just need to sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up. They are doing more harm than good.:angry::angry::angry:
 
White black or green he's doing alot of things that will help everyday people.

Please address this thread http://www.bgol.us/board/showthread.php?t=483348


What about the coming immigration reform.:rolleyes: Now obama still has my support but if he legalizes them wetbacks before passing a reparation bill for free college/trade school or forgiving student loans, or income taxes to all blacks.:lol: Im done with him what the fuck has them racist wetbacks done for this country to get rewarded for beside making a shitty taco?:lol:

Hell my black people are suffering 3x as hard as everyone else and this nugga about to legalize lazy motherfuckers, half of which didn't even vote for the president in the first place.:smh: to undercut even more hard working black folks.:angry:
 
He didn't have to, he wasn't a politician. Comparing Obama to him is just stupid (not saying you were or weren't). Compare Obama to Adam Clayton Powell or Douglas Wilder.

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nigga, i put (OR ANYBODY) in parenthesis for a reason....

you didn't even dispute my point...if somebody obama, jesse, al, or anybody wanted to go off the cuff and do something from their heart that goes against the political viewpoints of who put them in their position, they couldn't do it....
 
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nigga, i put (OR ANYBODY) in parenthesis for a reason....

you didn't even dispute my point...if somebody obama, jesse, al, or anybody wanted to go off the cuff and do something from their heart that goes against the political viewpoints of who put them in their position, they couldn't do it....

On King, your point was indisputable, not so much on others. Sharpton often says what he deems needs to be said and just as often takes unpopular stands and awkward allies. Warren Ballentine has a national radio show and does the same thing daily. Same for Dick Gregory. There are still many men and women that put their activism first, they just don't have the platform of Dr. King.
 
Pentagon Official: King Would Support Iraq, Afghan Wars

WASHINGTON -- Although the Rev. Martin Luther King, Jr. is best remembered by the American public for fighting against racial discrimination, he was also an outspoken opponent of war and violence, most notably of the war in Vietnam. A top Obama administration official at the Department of Defense, however, argued Thursday that if King were alive, he would understand and perhaps even support the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

At a Pentagon commemoration of King's accomplishments, DOD General Counsel Jeh Johnson suggested that today's wars are in line with the reverend's teachings.

"I believe that if Dr. King were alive today, he would recognize that we live in a complicated world, and that our nation's military should not and cannot lay down its arms and leave the American people vulnerable to terrorist attack," Johnson said. "Every day, our servicemen and women practice the dangerousness -- the dangerous unselfishness Dr. King preached on April 3, 1968."

In April 1967, King spoke out forcefully against the Vietnam War in a landmark speech at Riverside Church in New York City, criticizing the large amounts of money the United States was spending on fighting rather than taking care of its citizens domestically:

Perhaps the more tragic recognition of reality took place when it became clear to me that the war was doing far more than devastating the hopes of the poor at home. It was sending their sons and their brothers and their husbands to fight and to die in extraordinarily high proportions relative to the rest of the population. We were taking the young black men who had been crippled by our society and sending them 8,000 miles away to guarantee liberties in Southeast Asia which they had not found in Southwest Georgia and East Harlem. So we have been repeatedly faced with the cruel irony of watching Negro and white boys on TV screens as they kill and die together for a nation that has been unable to seat them together in the same schools. So we watch them in brutal solidarity burning the huts of a poor village, but we realize that they would never live on the same block in Detroit. I could not be silent in the face of such cruel manipulation of the poor. [...]

This business of burning human beings with napalm, of filling our nation's homes with orphans and widows, of injecting poisonous drugs of hate into the veins of peoples normally humane, of sending men home from dark and bloody battlefields physically handicapped and psychologically deranged, cannot be reconciled with wisdom, justice, and love. A nation that continues year after year to spend more money on military defense than on programs of social uplift is approaching spiritual death.​

Salon's Justin Elliott wrote that while it's impossible to know what King would think of today's wars, this speech "strongly suggests that he would be an opponent of the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, and, for that matter, the secret wars in Yemen and Pakistan."



King's widow, Coretta Scott King, was an outspoken opponent of the war in Iraq before her death in 2006. "She deplored the terror inflicted by our smart bombs on missions way afar," said the Rev. Joseph Lowery, a major figure in the civil rights movement who knew King. "We know now there were no weapons of mass destruction over there. But Coretta knew, and we knew, that there are weapons of misdirection right down here. Millions without health insurance. Poverty abounds. For war, billions more, but no more for the poor."

U.S. taxpayers have spent more than $1 trillion on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The United States could build 20 schools with the cost of funding one U.S. soldier in Afghanistan for one year, according to New York Times columnist Nicholas Kristof.

The Pentagon did not return a request for comment.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/...ars-iraq-afghanistan_n_809031.html?view=print
 
Tavis is still being a bitch and West is cosigning because Tavis is paying him.

I often wondered why West was ALWAYS lockstep with Tavis until I heard Tavis show on XMRadio and realized that West is his co-host.

So the professional intellect who has never done anything except a lot of psycho babbble is now a paid side kick.imagine that.
 
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