Student Loan Bipartisan bankruptcy reform bill proposes alternative to forgiveness hope or lifelong debt

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Student loans: Bipartisan bankruptcy reform bill proposes alternative to forgiveness hope or lifelong debt

While some progressive Democrats continue to push the president to cancel student loan debt, there's a bipartisan effort underway to overhaul the student loan system in another way: by making bankruptcy discharges more accessible for student debtors.

Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin (D-IL), who chairs the Senate Judiciary Committee, and Senator John Cornyn (R-TX) announced a new bill called the "FRESH START Through Bankruptcy Act of 2021" last week to better enable borrowers to seek a student loan discharge in bankruptcy.

"Student loan debt follows you to your grave," Durbin stated. "Our bipartisan bill finally gives student borrowers — some who were misled into taking out costly loans by predatory for-profit colleges — a chance to get back on their feet when they have no other realistic path to repay their loans."

If passed, the bill would allow federal student loans to become eligible for discharge in bankruptcy proceedings 10 years after the borrower's first loan payment comes due. (Borrowers with loans less than 10 years old would have to go through the current process.)

Jason Iuliano, associate professor of law at the University of Utah and an expert on student loan bankruptcy law, told Yahoo Finance that the bill's 10-year waiting period was noteworthy.

"First, it would ensure that people who have struggled to repay their student loans for at least a decade can benefit from bankruptcy’s fresh start and get their lives back on track," Iuliano said. "And second, it would ensure that the student loan credit market continues to function."

The bill also proposes to increase "institutional accountability" by making colleges that receive federal loans from more than a third of their students "partially reimburse" the Department of Education (ED) if student loans are later discharged in bankruptcy or "if the colleges had consistently high default rates and low repayment rates."

"This is an excellent proposal that would help align schools’ incentives with their students’ incentives," Iuliano explained. "Instead of engaging in an ever-increasing tuition arms race, underperforming schools would be forced to cut tuition or improve employment prospects for their students."

Roughly 45 million Americans hold more than $1.7 trillion in federally-backed student loan debt.

Student loans: Bipartisan bankruptcy reform bill proposes alternative to forgiveness hope or lifelong debt
Aarthi Swaminathan
·Reporter
Thu, August 12, 2021, 5:48 AM


While some progressive Democrats continue to push the president to cancel student loan debt, there's a bipartisan effort underway to overhaul the student loan system in another way: by making bankruptcy discharges more accessible for student debtors.
Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin (D-IL), who chairs the Senate Judiciary Committee, and Senator John Cornyn (R-TX) announced a new bill called the "FRESH START Through Bankruptcy Act of 2021" last week to better enable borrowers to seek a student loan discharge in bankruptcy.
"Student loan debt follows you to your grave," Durbin stated. "Our bipartisan bill finally gives student borrowers — some who were misled into taking out costly loans by predatory for-profit colleges — a chance to get back on their feet when they have no other realistic path to repay their loans."
If passed, the bill would allow federal student loans to become eligible for discharge in bankruptcy proceedings 10 years after the borrower's first loan payment comes due. (Borrowers with loans less than 10 years old would have to go through the current process.)

A graduate jumps in the air in the fountain at Washington Square Park on May 19, 2021 in New York. (Photo by TIMOTHY A. CLARY / AFP)
Jason Iuliano, associate professor of law at the University of Utah and an expert on student loan bankruptcy law, told Yahoo Finance that the bill's 10-year waiting period was noteworthy.
"First, it would ensure that people who have struggled to repay their student loans for at least a decade can benefit from bankruptcy’s fresh start and get their lives back on track," Iuliano said. "And second, it would ensure that the student loan credit market continues to function."
The bill also proposes to increase "institutional accountability" by making colleges that receive federal loans from more than a third of their students "partially reimburse" the Department of Education (ED) if student loans are later discharged in bankruptcy or "if the colleges had consistently high default rates and low repayment rates."
"This is an excellent proposal that would help align schools’ incentives with their students’ incentives," Iuliano explained. "Instead of engaging in an ever-increasing tuition arms race, underperforming schools would be forced to cut tuition or improve employment prospects for their students."
Roughly 45 million Americans hold more than $1.7 trillion in federally-backed student loan debt.

Student loan bankruptcy discharge
Discharging student loans through bankruptcy, while difficult, is not impossible.
That said, there was an era when it was a much easier process.
"Before 1976, student loans were treated like other types of unsecured debt bankruptcy. If you were facing financial ruin, you could get relief," Durbin explained. "But then Congress got the idea that student borrowers were running to bankruptcy court, right after graduation. This notion was based on more anecdote than data. Congress started passing laws to make it harder."
Over time, the bankruptcy code became more restrictive for all student debtors.
In most personal bankruptcy cases involving student debt, a judge now applies the Brunner test — a three-pronged test applied to student loan borrowers who filed adversary proceedings seeking to discharge educational debt — to determine if specific student loans caused a borrower to suffer undue hardship.
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"Starting with the 1987 case called Brunner, courts have interpreted the phrase to set an impossibly high bar for relief," Durbin said. "To pass the Brunner test of undue hardship, you have to convince a bankruptcy judge that it’s hopeless that you’d ever repay, while the Department of Education or its guaranty agencies are on the other side arguing against you."

While Durbin went on to stress that "proving undue hardship is nearly impossible," Iuliano disagreed.

The impossibility of proving undue hardship specifically "is not the case," Iuliano said. Based on his research of bankruptcy cases, an estimated "60% of people who attempt to discharge their student loans in bankruptcy are successful."

'This is the first time it’s been bipartisan'
Forced to choose between student loan forgiveness — favored by some prominent Democrats but taboo to most Republicans — and bankruptcy reform, many Republicans opted for the latter during the hearing.

"While I don't support cancellation of all student debt... I can't think of very many good reasons to keep students with massive amounts of debts as lifelong serfs of banks and lifelong serfs of universities by not allowing them to discharge a bankruptcy of their debt under appropriate circumstances," Sen. Josh Hawley (R-MO) said during the hearing, adding that the bipartisan bill was "a very sensible approach."

Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA), a leading proponent of student loan cancellation, previously told Yahoo Finance that the U.S. bankruptcy system is "fundamentally wrong" on student debt discharges.

"I’ve been introducing student loan bankruptcy [bills] for a long time," Durbin said during the hearing. "This is the first time it’s been bipartisan. With this bill, we see a growing bipartisan consensus that the status quo isn’t working, and that we need student loan bankruptcy reform.”

Student loans: Bipartisan bankruptcy reform bill proposes alternative to forgiveness hope or lifelong debt
Aarthi Swaminathan
·Reporter
Thu, August 12, 2021, 5:48 AM


While some progressive Democrats continue to push the president to cancel student loan debt, there's a bipartisan effort underway to overhaul the student loan system in another way: by making bankruptcy discharges more accessible for student debtors.
Senate Majority Whip Dick Durbin (D-IL), who chairs the Senate Judiciary Committee, and Senator John Cornyn (R-TX) announced a new bill called the "FRESH START Through Bankruptcy Act of 2021" last week to better enable borrowers to seek a student loan discharge in bankruptcy.
"Student loan debt follows you to your grave," Durbin stated. "Our bipartisan bill finally gives student borrowers — some who were misled into taking out costly loans by predatory for-profit colleges — a chance to get back on their feet when they have no other realistic path to repay their loans."
If passed, the bill would allow federal student loans to become eligible for discharge in bankruptcy proceedings 10 years after the borrower's first loan payment comes due. (Borrowers with loans less than 10 years old would have to go through the current process.)

A graduate jumps in the air in the fountain at Washington Square Park on May 19, 2021 in New York. (Photo by TIMOTHY A. CLARY / AFP)
Jason Iuliano, associate professor of law at the University of Utah and an expert on student loan bankruptcy law, told Yahoo Finance that the bill's 10-year waiting period was noteworthy.
"First, it would ensure that people who have struggled to repay their student loans for at least a decade can benefit from bankruptcy’s fresh start and get their lives back on track," Iuliano said. "And second, it would ensure that the student loan credit market continues to function."
The bill also proposes to increase "institutional accountability" by making colleges that receive federal loans from more than a third of their students "partially reimburse" the Department of Education (ED) if student loans are later discharged in bankruptcy or "if the colleges had consistently high default rates and low repayment rates."
"This is an excellent proposal that would help align schools’ incentives with their students’ incentives," Iuliano explained. "Instead of engaging in an ever-increasing tuition arms race, underperforming schools would be forced to cut tuition or improve employment prospects for their students."
Roughly 45 million Americans hold more than $1.7 trillion in federally-backed student loan debt.

Student loan bankruptcy discharge
Discharging student loans through bankruptcy, while difficult, is not impossible.
That said, there was an era when it was a much easier process.
"Before 1976, student loans were treated like other types of unsecured debt bankruptcy. If you were facing financial ruin, you could get relief," Durbin explained. "But then Congress got the idea that student borrowers were running to bankruptcy court, right after graduation. This notion was based on more anecdote than data. Congress started passing laws to make it harder."
Over time, the bankruptcy code became more restrictive for all student debtors.
In most personal bankruptcy cases involving student debt, a judge now applies the Brunner test — a three-pronged test applied to student loan borrowers who filed adversary proceedings seeking to discharge educational debt — to determine if specific student loans caused a borrower to suffer undue hardship.

Source: Duke Law Journal/DECEMBER 2020/ "THE STUDENT LOAN BANKRUPTCY GAP" by JASON IULIANO
"Starting with the 1987 case called Brunner, courts have interpreted the phrase to set an impossibly high bar for relief," Durbin said. "To pass the Brunner test of undue hardship, you have to convince a bankruptcy judge that it’s hopeless that you’d ever repay, while the Department of Education or its guaranty agencies are on the other side arguing against you."
While Durbin went on to stress that "proving undue hardship is nearly impossible," Iuliano disagreed.
The impossibility of proving undue hardship specifically "is not the case," Iuliano said. Based on his research of bankruptcy cases, an estimated "60% of people who attempt to discharge their student loans in bankruptcy are successful."

'This is the first time it’s been bipartisan'
Forced to choose between student loan forgiveness — favored by some prominent Democrats but taboo to most Republicans — and bankruptcy reform, many Republicans opted for the latter during the hearing.
"While I don't support cancellation of all student debt... I can't think of very many good reasons to keep students with massive amounts of debts as lifelong serfs of banks and lifelong serfs of universities by not allowing them to discharge a bankruptcy of their debt under appropriate circumstances," Sen. Josh Hawley (R-MO) said during the hearing, adding that the bipartisan bill was "a very sensible approach."
Sen. Elizabeth Warren (D-MA), a leading proponent of student loan cancellation, previously told Yahoo Finance that the U.S. bankruptcy system is "fundamentally wrong" on student debt discharges.
"I’ve been introducing student loan bankruptcy [bills] for a long time," Durbin said during the hearing. "This is the first time it’s been bipartisan. With this bill, we see a growing bipartisan consensus that the status quo isn’t working, and that we need student loan bankruptcy reform.”

One appealing aspect of the bill, according to Iuliano, is that the legislation addresses the fundamental issue of tuition inflation by making schools reimburse the federal government when students discharge their loans via bankruptcy.
"Schools are... selling a product for a price, and that price needs to match what these students get out of it," said Cornyn, one of the co-sponsors. "That's why the second part of the [bill] creates a limited risk-sharing framework for schools but enough students default on their loans, and fail to continue to repay them."
Coryn added that some schools have "taken advantage of the American taxpayer for too long, and the students are the ones harmed by their excess, so I'm glad to see this bill introduced today."


 
So this is years from fruition...well some traction is better than nothing.

Its progress and i think making it easier for people to discharge the debt in bankruptcy is the best solution to this problem.

It continues to drive me nuts that a person can discharge 100K in old tax debt but can't discharge a 50K student loan debt that was incurred the same time as the old tax debt.
 
Man fuck them!!! I just got my credit score up and even though this 50K I owe in student loans looming over my head I'm too fucking old to file bankruptcy and start over.

Now If I'm going to go that route let me stack up some debt then go down that road. Right now I just want 20 years to pay this shit back without all them stacking interest on my shit like lego.
 
Horseshit compromise and a fucking cop out for dems.

This is the easiest way...

Right now if I have a client that wants to discharge their student loans in a BK... I have to file an adversary or law suit and the government has unlimited resources to fight it.... A chapter 7 or 13 debtor is filing BK because they don't have the money... that's why BK attorneys don't even try typically unless your client can easily satisfy the Brunner Test and that shit is fucking tough.

This would eliminate that requirement

And it would be bring me a new set of Clientele :money::money::money::money::money::money::money::money::money::money::money::money::money::money::money::money::money:
 
Man fuck them!!! I just got my credit score up and even though this 50K I owe in student loans looming over my head I'm too fucking old to file bankruptcy and start over.

Now If I'm going to go that route let me stack up some debt then go down that road. Right now I just want 20 years to pay this shit back without all them stacking interest on my shit like lego.

You are never too old to file bankruptcy and it isn't a start over..... It's a Fresh start.

Hell I'm a BK attorney and if this passes .... My ass will probably be my first client.
 
This is the easiest way...
No it isnt. Its the laziest way. Easiest way would be sweeping forgiveness of 50k/100k and all accrued interest past and future. Having a saddled taxpayer having to file for bankruptcy and deal with a default is just as problematic to their situation as having the debt remain. No one wins here but bankruptcy courts and attorneys. Its nonsense. Theres no such thing as a fresh start when your "fresh start" comes with a credit report containing defaults and bankruptcy. Its a misnomer. The dems are clowns bro. They literally are doing nothing.

The reality is a shit load of this debt aint gonna get paid regardless.. Providing real relief in the form of forgiveness atleast gets a bulk of these people back contributing to the economy in taxes and consumer purchases.
 
They'll throw trillions at a war and pack up and leave for nothing....but god forbid they relieve the weight of student loans.

Why don't these cocksuckers impose a restriction on tuition inflation so people can afford a fucking education without all this debt? Fuck these guys. Dems, Repugs, they are one in the same.
 
IMO, Student Loans do not fall in the same category as House Loans, Car Loans, Personal loans

They brainwash all these kids on how college is the only way to be anything. On top of that, these teachers shame kids for going to community colleges, state schools etc. "It's USC or Bust" etc, etc. They allow these institution to inflate the FUCK out of the tuition and the students can't pay outta pocket. They take away Co-Op options that let kids work through school; they limit night class options as well. Sooo a lot of students take loans. It ain't the same as some dude buying a car or house that's out of their means. This is an EDUCATION. Why don't these cocksuckers address the fucking elephant in the room. Why is college so fucking expensive???! These schools can get away with rape and pillage, buut the students.... naaw, fuck them, make em pay up.
 
I hate student loans with a passion. Shit is a trap... College costs money, kids exhaust all avenues to pay that tuition, turn to federal/private loans, and that shit follows them like a black cloud... Sometimes until death.

But, discharge thru bankruptcy, I'm on the fence. That diploma ain't being repossessed.
 
I hate student loans with a passion. Shit is a trap... College costs money, kids exhaust all avenues to pay that tuition, turn to federal/private loans, and that shit follows them like a black cloud... Sometimes until death.

But, discharge thru bankruptcy, I'm on the fence. That diploma ain't being repossessed.

This. I was young and poor so all I saw was a chance to finally have a little bit of paper when I took all those student loans. It didn't help that it was hard for a brother find a job at the time. I still remember large groups of us going job hunting after graduating HS only to be told people werent hiring or never get a call back. I still remember seeing my Hispanic and white friends getting applications from places that not more than a few minutes earlier told me I couldnt get an application because they weren't hiring.
 

Just imagine if this happened under the Twitter Satan. Swear the elite know how to move shit through and how the masses don't care what it is only who is doing it. :smh:
IMO, Student Loans do not fall in the same category as House Loans, Car Loans, Personal loans

They brainwash all these kids on how college is the only way to be anything. On top of that, these teachers shame kids for going to community colleges, state schools etc. "It's USC or Bust" etc, etc. They allow these institution to inflate the FUCK out of the tuition and the students can't pay outta pocket. They take away Co-Op options that let kids work through school; they limit night class options as well. Sooo a lot of students take loans. It ain't the same as some dude buying a car or house that's out of their means. This is an EDUCATION. Why don't these cocksuckers address the fucking elephant in the room. Why is college so fucking expensive???! These schools can get away with rape and pillage, buut the students.... naaw, fuck them, make em pay up.
Follow the money. Shit is sinister man.
 
At least the OP admitted why he is in favor of this bullshit proposal (to increase his BK clientele and pad his pockets to trick on Kristin Myers).

Can’t get mad at that :lol:
This is the easiest way...

Right now if I have a client that wants to discharge their student loans in a BK... I have to file an adversary or law suit and the government has unlimited resources to fight it.... A chapter 7 or 13 debtor is filing BK because they don't have the money... that's why BK attorneys don't even try typically unless your client can easily satisfy the Brunner Test and that shit is fucking tough.

This would eliminate that requirement

And it would be bring me a new set of Clientele :money::money::money::money::money::money::money::money::money::money::money::money::money::money::money::money::money:
 
Lmao the feds are loan sharks.. What kind of country would extort their younger generation like this?


It is a corporation that is run by international bankers that create money out of thin air with something called usury AKA predatory lending. If you want to fix the problem, abolish the Federal Reserve Bank.
 
I am one of the biggest advocates for student loan reform. Like this shit has been a major problem for several years. I do think with the pressure from so many outside groups we are finally at a point where the government and schools are actually trying to address some of these issues. Many colleges and universities used there covid relief funds to pay for students tuitions over the last year.

Another problem outside of the entire system being broken, there isn't enough education for parents and students about loans. Families aren't being educated on the ROI of going to a college in-state or out of state, going to a community college first and then transfer to a university, or looking at co-op programs....I know people with crazy amounts of student loan debt, but I know lots of people who have degrees and no debt. Being strategic and understanding how to get a college degree or associates degree is very important....

As mentioned in this thread several times, college isn't for everyone, but the one thing I do know you have to get some sort of skill under your belt post high school....I know several people who have a GED or just a high school diploma and are STRUGGLING or working 70 hours a week to make ends meet. Constantly complaining about why they only make $13 a hour.....
 
I am one of the biggest advocates for student loan reform. Like this shit has been a major problem for several years. I do think with the pressure from so many outside groups we are finally at a point where the government and schools are actually trying to address some of these issues. Many colleges and universities used there covid relief funds to pay for students tuitions over the last year.

Another problem outside of the entire system being broken, there isn't enough education for parents and students about loans. Families aren't being educated on the ROI of going to a college in-state or out of state, going to a community college first and then transfer to a university, or looking at co-op programs....I know people with crazy amounts of student loan debt, but I know lots of people who have degrees and no debt. Being strategic and understanding how to get a college degree or associates degree is very important....

As mentioned in this thread several times, college isn't for everyone, but the one thing I do know you have to get some sort of skill under your belt post high school....I know several people who have a GED or just a high school diploma and are STRUGGLING or working 70 hours a week to make ends meet. Constantly complaining about why they only make $13 a hour.....

Long time ago, I worked at a gigantic student loan originator/servicer's hq. And it never occurred to me how little I knew about my student loans until I worked there. Shit was eye opening.

The big thing, to me, is to blame the Bush administration (and yes the ridiculous rising cost of education). Reason being is that he signed a law that fixed student interest rates instead of having them pegged to the 90 T-Bill + some spread. In a low interest rate environment like we're in now, the government is making a pretty nice profit off students (assuming they can pay). It's the reason why it's cheaper to finance a house than that of an education in most instances (10 yr mortgage vs a 10 yr student loan. Although, for certain amounts, you can extend repayment of student loans up to 30 years).


10 yr mortgage

Student loans

10 yr Treasury
 
Long time ago, I worked at a gigantic student loan originator/servicer's hq. And it never occurred to me how little I knew about my student loans until I worked there. Shit was eye opening.

The big thing, to me, is to blame the Bush administration (and yes the ridiculous rising cost of education). Reason being is that he signed a law that fixed student interest rates instead of having them pegged to the 90 T-Bill + some spread. In a low interest rate environment like we're in now, the government is making a pretty nice profit off students (assuming they can pay). It's the reason why it's cheaper to finance a house than that of an education in most instances (10 yr mortgage vs a 10 yr student loan. Although, for certain amounts, you can extend repayment of student loans up to 30 years).


10 yr mortgage

Student loans

10 yr Treasury

Good information and while most people are not as optimistic as me, I do think with the new Sec. of Education and all of these non profits advocating for student education reform, I personally think we will start to see some changes....
 
I am one of the biggest advocates for student loan reform. Like this shit has been a major problem for several years. I do think with the pressure from so many outside groups we are finally at a point where the government and schools are actually trying to address some of these issues. Many colleges and universities used there covid relief funds to pay for students tuitions over the last year.

Another problem outside of the entire system being broken, there isn't enough education for parents and students about loans. Families aren't being educated on the ROI of going to a college in-state or out of state, going to a community college first and then transfer to a university, or looking at co-op programs....I know people with crazy amounts of student loan debt, but I know lots of people who have degrees and no debt. Being strategic and understanding how to get a college degree or associates degree is very important....

As mentioned in this thread several times, college isn't for everyone, but the one thing I do know you have to get some sort of skill under your belt post high school....I know several people who have a GED or just a high school diploma and are STRUGGLING or working 70 hours a week to make ends meet. Constantly complaining about why they only make $13 a hour.....
Amen. I will have a masters by this time next year from a well known private school. It’s absolutely absurd how much they charge. You literally are paying for the name. But I’m gonna be debt free. In addition to all those other options you mentioned, I’d like to add the caveat of the military. You can get Loan repayment options, AND the GI bill. I know a guy who got his BA and an MBA. total cost was almost 250k. Didn’t pay a dime. There’s also the PSLF program. If you are a person that goes the route of teaching or public service (rough jobs IMO) you can get your loans forgiven. You are spot on. There are a multitude of ways to get a degree or certification without breaking the bank and creating life long stress
 
Amen. I will have a masters by this time next year from a well known private school. It’s absolutely absurd how much they charge. You literally are paying for the name. But I’m gonna be debt free. In addition to all those other options you mentioned, I’d like to add the caveat of the military. You can get Loan repayment options, AND the GI bill. I know a guy who got his BA and an MBA. total cost was almost 250k. Didn’t pay a dime. There’s also the PSLF program. If you are a person that goes the route of teaching or public service (rough jobs IMO) you can get your loans forgiven. You are spot on. There are a multitude of ways to get a degree or certification without breaking the bank and creating life long stress
Amen. I will have a masters by this time next year from a well known private school. It’s absolutely absurd how much they charge. You literally are paying for the name. But I’m gonna be debt free. In addition to all those other options you mentioned, I’d like to add the caveat of the military. You can get Loan repayment options, AND the GI bill. I know a guy who got his BA and an MBA. total cost was almost 250k. Didn’t pay a dime. There’s also the PSLF program. If you are a person that goes the route of teaching or public service (rough jobs IMO) you can get your loans forgiven. You are spot on. There are a multitude of ways to get a degree or certification without breaking the bank and creating life long stress

FACTS - the thing is there are alot of companies that meet the requirements of the PSLF program. I make a pretty good decent salary and my job qualifies for this program. I try to tell everyone I know with loans is there are so many strategies and organizations out here that are willing to help find the best solution for your situation. Plus these redditt groups man will put you on to so much game that will blow your mind LOL
 
Horseshit compromise and a fucking cop out for dems.
72 billion per year in student loans. They easily replace that with repealing the bush tax cuts and enforcing the tax codes.

Stupid and lazy.
No it isnt. Its the laziest way. Easiest way would be sweeping forgiveness of 50k/100k and all accrued interest past and future. Having a saddled taxpayer having to file for bankruptcy and deal with a default is just as problematic to their situation as having the debt remain. No one wins here but bankruptcy courts and attorneys. Its nonsense. Theres no such thing as a fresh start when your "fresh start" comes with a credit report containing defaults and bankruptcy. Its a misnomer. The dems are clowns bro. They literally are doing nothing.

The reality is a shit load of this debt aint gonna get paid regardless.. Providing real relief in the form of forgiveness atleast gets a bulk of these people back contributing to the economy in taxes and consumer purchases.

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No it isnt. Its the laziest way. Easiest way would be sweeping forgiveness of 50k/100k and all accrued interest past and future. Having a saddled taxpayer having to file for bankruptcy and deal with a default is just as problematic to their situation as having the debt remain. No one wins here but bankruptcy courts and attorneys. Its nonsense. Theres no such thing as a fresh start when your "fresh start" comes with a credit report containing defaults and bankruptcy. Its a misnomer. The dems are clowns bro. They literally are doing nothing.

The reality is a shit load of this debt aint gonna get paid regardless.. Providing real relief in the form of forgiveness atleast gets a bulk of these people back contributing to the economy in taxes and consumer purchases.

This is 100% correct, but let's be real, no republican or democrat will do this......

Only a REAL PROGRESSIVE, not a liberal or republican or these other clowns, would pull this off.....


GARY NULL AND RICHARD GALE — WHO ARE THE TRUE PROGRESSIVES?
APRIL 24, 2013
Each day we hear right-wing pundits excoriating president Obama and the Democrats for being progressive. They ridicule progressivism as being socialist, for favoring the redistribution of wealth and resources, for challenging the bank-driven free market agenda, and for advocating stricter regulations on Wall Street and the multinational corporatocracy. They accuse progressives of embracing Big Government and a mindset of entitlement on steroids.
On the Left, the Right is equally mocked continuously. A perfect example was Keith Olbermann’s “Worst Persons” segment, which pilloried all conservatives as neocon Republicans. Any mention of support for a third party candidate, such as Jill Stein, Rocky Anderson or Gary Johnson, is vehemently attacked by the Democratic Left. It continues to rail against Ralph Nader for causing Al Gore and John Kerry to lose their elections against Bush.
Therefore, we feel it is necessary to revisit the issue of what defines a progressive. Amidst the battles waged between conservatives and neocons, such Hannity, O’Reilly, Limbaugh and Mark Levin, and struggles that pit Democrat vs. liberal vs. progressive, defining the agendas and ideologies that clearly identify these labels becomes muddled and confused.
Most Americans regard Rachel Maddow, Al Sharpton, Lawrence O’Donnell and Ed Schultz, and programs and publications such as Democracy Now, The Nation and Mother Jones as representative of liberal idealism. Those persons representative of the Fox News Network, the Heritage Foundation and the American Enterprise Institute are viewed conservative ideologues. However, it is our belief that the vast majority of people who identify themselves as liberal progressives or conservative progressives are, in fact, neither. Most of these individuals are either corporate Democrats or corporate Republicans. They have their think tanks and major corporate and Wall Street sponsors. For example, the Nation’s Katrina vanden Heuvel, who describes herself as a progressive, is a member of the Council on Foreign Relations. No corporate Democrat is a genuine populist.

Certainly the pundits, both Left and Right, are unique personalities. They can be dynamic and even bombastic, such as Hannity and O’Reilly. They can be streetwise pragmatists such as Al Sharpton, or Washington insider intellectuals such as Lawrence O’Donnell. But we should not mistake their uniqueness as an indication of independence from the corporate agenda. These individuals are fully enmeshed in the multinational corporate program and must compromise their higher values, and are even required to do so, to serve the program’s needs.

For someone to identify his or herself as a progressive, a person must first break rank from corporate interests and become independent. They must next transcend their self-liberated sophistry in order to look upon people as human beings rather than objects of exploitation, irrespective of ideology, education, economic class, gender and race. It was the progressive movement in the early part of the twentieth century that shifted national attention towards community, the restoration of stable neighborhoods, and social justice in the face of the big industrialists’ exploitation and mistreatment of workers and citizens. The difference is only that today it is not the moguls of manufacturing shattering the social fabric of cities and towns but the high rollers of the economic regime and industrial complexes such as Big Ag, the private military complex, the oil and gas industries, Big Pharm, Big Insurance, etc who are leading the assault.

In 2008, candidate Obama usurped the title progressive to distinguish himself from the bureaucratic Democrats in Washington. It was a winning strategy that earned him the support of many independents who were fed up with Washington’s duopoly. It is true that many of Obama’s promises chimed with the progressive platform. He gave guarantees to restore equality to Americans sinking under the weight of Wall Street and corporate lobbies’ influence. He promised to hold the crooks of finance accountable for fleecing the public. However, upon his arrival in the White House, Obama betrayed his pledges repeatedly. A truly progressive president could never assign 57% of proposed discretionary spending to the military complex and then feed 20% of the crumbs to energy, the environment, health, education and housing combined. But this is what we find in Obama’s 2013 discretionary spending proposal.

Progressives look upon Clinton and Obama as one and the same. All we need to do is consider who has occupied the Clinton and Obama administrations: executives from Wall Street and Fortune 500 firms. Today more than ever, we see Obama moving towards the kind of cronyism that defined the Bush years, while leaving behind genuine progressive values altogether.

If we want to find the authentic American progressives today, we won’t discover them among those who voted for Obama in 2012. And they are certainly not found in the ranks of the GOP and Tea Party. Those with the humanitarian conscience of a progressive acknowledge the importance of a third party to break the stalemate and ineptitude of Washington’s two-party dominance. Therefore we find progressives among those who supported Rocky Anderson, Jill Stein and among some libertarians who embraced Gary Johnson.

Today the best of progressive minds are found among those who buttress great causes such as equality and human rights and who are willing to sacrifice themselves and risk being arrested. We must look at the words and actions of Chris Hedges, Robert Parry, Medea Benjamin, Ray McGovern, Glen Ford, Dr. Margaret Flowers, Cornell West, Paul Craig Roberts, Bill McKibben and others to find the true progressives. They are not financially supported by the corporate elite nor accommodated in our soulless media. Theirs is a struggle to have their voices brought to Americans. It is a prophetic voice with a long national history that calls upon truth against power. They are excluded from mainstream forums that debate ideas, principles and universal ethics that concern all people. The following is a list of values, initiatives and policy actions that we believe holds true for most progressive minds in the Obama era.

Climate Change and Energy
  • Prioritize the threat of climate changes as an inevitable catastrophic condition facing the nation.
  • Launch a concerted effort to rein in the fossil fuel industry’s influence over energy policies and begin an aggressive transition from reliance upon fossil fuels to renewable, clean energy technologies that incorporates the following measures:
    • Reduce natural gas fracking.
    • Vote against the Keystone XL tar sand pipeline.
    • Reduce subsidies for oil, gas and nuclear industries and increase subsidies for solar, wind, hydro and thermal energies

Freedom and Democracy
  • Strengthen rather than limit freedom of speech, which includes the cessation of government’s intelligence surveillance on citizens without legitimate cause.
  • Strengthen public protection from the government surveillance of emails, mobile phones, websites, etc.
  • Launch a systematic Congressional review and reevaluation, with independent testimony, of the Patriot Act and Obama’s NDAA and repeal policies that would detain American citizens indefinitely on suspicion of terrorist affiliation.
  • Return to constitutional law to prevent the civil court system from adopting military legal practices.


America’s Wars and the Military
  • Initiate a high level review by independent scholars of the legitimacy behind the war on terrorism and reevaluate its long-term consequences.
  • Restore the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878 that forbids the US military from deploying troops to states and cities and waging war against Americans who express dissention against government policies.
  • Increase checks and balances to prevent state, county and city law enforcement from being usurped under the Department of Defense and Homeland Security.
  • Reduce military bases overseas and cut back the Dept of Defense budget; redirect this funding towards ill-funded social programs to help the nation’s growing poverty, starving children, and Third World education systems in impoverished communities.
  • Carry out a thorough review of our treatment of American veterans and the growing sexual harassment and rape in the military; implement a more aggressive national program to treat veterans’ mental and physical disorders that are now epidemic.

The Federal Government
  • Increase transparency and accountability across the three branches of government and encourage whistleblowers to come forth and reveal illegal activities conducted by federal departments and agencies.
  • Evaluate the detrimental affects to the nation when conflicts of interest between corporate powers and government legislators create laws and policies.
  • Rein in and limit the influence and power of corporate lobby groups to write bills at the federal and state levels.

American Society
  • Conduct a full investigation into the corruption of the private prison system and hold a Congressional reevaluation of the long-term adverse effects of prison privatization and its direct relationship to the unwarranted criminalization of Americans.
  • Provide debt forgiveness on mortgages, student loans; restore bankruptcy laws to the pre-Bush era.

Economy
  • Allow full transparency of all tentative free trade agreements between the US and the EU and the Pacific Rim.

Healthcare and Medicine
  • Transition to an affordable national single payer or universal healthcare program.
  • Strengthen the protection of health freedom choices and keep government out of mandating what we must do to our bodies.
  • A complete cessation of mandatory healthcare policies that reduce the choices of medical modalities.
  • Limit the influence and phase out the medical insurance industry from having a role in federal healthcare policymaking.
  • Conduct a Congressional review of the influence of the psychiatric industry’s assault on mental health and institute stronger regulations of psychotropic drugs and their use.
  • Overhaul the FDA’s drug evaluation protocol to include independent research and evaluation of prospective drugs prior to licensing.

Agriculture and Food
  • Mandatory labeling of genetically modified foods and products that have GM ingredients until such time that GMOs have been scientifically proven to be safe to human health and the environment.
  • No representative of the agro-chemical industry should hold a high position of authority in the USDA or FDA for the approval of industry products.

The Economy
  • Conduct a thorough audit of the Federal Reserve by independent economists in matters of Qualitative Easing, austerity policies and cutbacks to the most needy of Americans.
  • Repeal the concept that banks are too big to fail.
  • Increase executive accountability and criminal investigations into actions of Wall Street executives, including crimes of money laundering.

The Security State
  • Revaluate the feasibility and waste of the 16 intelligence agencies including Homeland Security.
  • Launch a new 911 investigation.
  • Launch a thorough Congressional investigation into the Bush Administration’s invasion of Iraq and hold this Administration accountable according to international law on war crimes.

Human Rights
  • Restore the US’s compliance with international human rights agreements and treaties regarding torture and launching war on sovereign nations.

Foreign Affairs
  • Equanimity in US relations between Israel and Palestine to be a fair broker in peace negotiations.
  • Rein in the private military industrial complex’s provision of weapons to despotic regimes opposed to human rights and freedom such as Saudi Arabia, Israel, Egypt, Bahrain, Georgia, etc.
  • Cease sanctions against Iran that are responsible for untold suffering to Iranian citizens and children without concise proof that Iran poses a nuclear threat.
  • Reduce the use of drone strikes in sovereign countries that are contributing to the murder of children, women and the elderly.
  • Revision our foreign policy that is fueling hatred of America by nations around the world who now perceive US military aggression as the world’s greatest threat to world peace.

For a moment, imagine what the US could become if these ideas and actions became part of our national dialogue. Consider how much we could achieve by addressing the issues facing us today free of the influence of depraved corporatists and with an eye towards America’s higher values. Until America adopts a progressive agenda we will remain captive to a false Left-Right paradigm driven by greed and fascism.
 
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