Seattle police shoot and kill pregnant mother-of-four

godofwine

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Thats not protocol. I’m not talking from a black/white thing, I’m talking about Police protocol. If you’re wielding a knife and you approach officers, they can lawfully shoot you. Her being a mother of 4 doesn’t play here at all. If anything, that just sensationalizes the story to draw outrage.

Now I know someone is going to dig up dozens of videos of white people armed with gernades and everything else and cops don’t do shit, but as a black person, you must know that legally they can kill you if you approach them with a knife, regardless of what whites get away with.
Sad facts. If you're black you can approach the police with one of those double sided wooden spoons from an ice cream cup and they would be justified in killing you.

Even a butter knife could have you killed before you said Parkay
 

carsun1000

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From a legal perspective this case is not a tough one but from humanity standpoint it is. Pregnant, 4 kids, mental issues will always draw compassion from certain folks. Since most black folks don't know the law, this case will reach home.
 

REDLINE

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Thats not protocol. I’m not talking from a black/white thing, I’m talking about Police protocol. If you’re wielding a knife and you approach officers, they can lawfully shoot you. Her being a mother of 4 doesn’t play here at all. If anything, that just sensationalizes the story to draw outrage.

Now I know someone is going to dig up dozens of videos of white people armed with gernades and everything else and cops don’t do shit, but as a black person, you must know that legally they can kill you if you approach them with a knife, regardless of what whites get away with.

It’s not really a “Sensationalized” story. A woman calls police due to a burglary, for some reason she pulls out a knife and they kill her.

I’m guessing the cops didn’t know about her mental issues prior to shooting her. Yes people running at cops with knives get shot and killed, except some white people.

I should’ve said “It would’ve been nice if they used a taser” in my original post.

But maybe in that situation and how everything went a taser wouldn’t worked.
 

MisterT

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Im still wondering why they shoot to kill when the suspect isn't holding a gun. If you HAVE TO shoot, how about the shin, that would make the suspect drop whatever they are holding.
Terrible idea. In most, if not all law enforcement departments that is not even allowed. Shooting at legs exponentially heightens the chances of missing your target and hitting a bystander behind your intended target as opposed to a center chest shot. When you fire a weapon, you are liable for where each bullet ends up. Every shot that misses is going to travel through probably one to four neighboring apartments, hitting whatever unlucky soul is in it's trajectory. A leg shot provides a tiny target in comparison to a torso, not to mention that a leg shot is unlikely to immediately stop a quickly advancing or gun firing attacker immediately. Maybe if you hit dead center in the tibia.... but.... the anterior width of the human tibia is roughly 2.5 centimeters. (looked it up) You think you could hit a 2.5 centimeter target using a pistol? That's about the width of a man's thumb. While under extreme duress at that? Those arguing that a taser should have been at the ready have a point.

There's an old adage that you never pull a gun without intent to use it, and never use it without intent to kill. I'm neither condoning or contesting that, but it's what many live by.
 
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playahaitian

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Officers were justified in the fatal shooting of Charleena Lyles, a pregnant mother of 4, jury finds
By Paradise Afshar and Alaa Elassar, CNN

Updated 5:28 PM ET, Thu July 7, 2022

Flowers and candles are pictured at a makeshift memorial during a vigil on the third anniversary of the death of Charleena Lyles who was shot and killed by Seattle police.
(CNN)Seattle police officers were justified in the fatal shooting of Charleena Lyles, a pregnant mother of four who was shot and killed in her home by police in 2017, an inquest jury concluded Wednesday.
Officers Steven McNew and Jason Anderson responded to Lyles' apartment on June 18, 2017, after Lyles, 30, called 911 to report a burglary. After an initially calm conversation, the officers said the pregnant mother turned violent, and they shot her after she confronted them with two knives, police said.
The King County Coroner's inquest jurors responded to more than 100 questions about the case and unanimously came to a decision that McNew and Anderson were justified in their actions. Both officers are still employed with the department.
"This is in fact the only time that a jury is going to look at what happened," Ted Buck, an attorney representing the officers, told CNN. "So the significance, I think, of this outcome is that six people, chosen from the community, listened to the evidence and found that the officers' actions were justified under the circumstances."



Police release more recordings from the shooting of Charleena Lyles


Buck said that the proceedings have been "a brutal experience for these officers who were publicly attacked as murderers by people who simply didn't know what had happened."
The city of Seattle agreed to pay $3.5 million to settle a wrongful death lawsuit filed on behalf of Lyles' family in 2021.
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"Five years ago, the Lyles family, the Seattle community, the involved SPD officers, and our entire department were shaken by this unquestionably tragic event," the Seattle Police Department said in a statement. "The SPD thanks the inquest administrator and his staff and all involved for their efforts to ensure a fair and transparent fact-finding process, and we thank the jury for its thoughtful and careful deliberation."
Lyles' family 'rejects' the inquest jury's decisions
Karen Koehler, an attorney representing the Lyles' family, told CNN that the "findings of the inquest are nothing for the SPD to be proud about."
"Charleena Lyles' family rejects the ultimate findings from the inquest jury today," Koehler said. "The process focused only on the officers' states of mind. Not on Ms. Lyles."
"Despite requests for a fuller picture to be presented -- including a forensic expert on the topic of her mental health -- the scope was strictly narrowed," Koehler added. "Ms. Lyles' mental health was deemed irrelevant except for what the officers knew about her -- which was not much at all."
Although the family does not "blame the jury for its decision," Koehler said, they condemn SPD's practices and procedures which "are designed specifically to allow an officer to shoot and kill a person in mental crisis with a paring knife."
"In those circumstances, officers are not trained to disarm," she continued. "They are not trained to wound. They are trained to shoot to kill. The message is clear: if a person is in a mental health crisis and has any type of sharp-edged instrument, tool or weapon -- do not expect them to survive if 911 is called in Seattle."
 
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