Rosenberg argues with Papoose about Pap's Kendrick Diss

[LSN]

Didn't Snoop participate in that ceremony? I think I recall seeing something about it.

damn I didn't realize this shit was almost 2 years ago...damn...shit was a dope moment tho

 

[EPDC]

at Game passing anyone a torch! Cool video, never saw this.....yet, at the same time, in regards to the KONY, cats claimed it, (Biggie, Nas, Jay, etc...), they didn't have shit passed to them.

 

[HeathCliff]

damn I didn't realize this shit was almost 2 years ago...damn...shit was a dope moment tho

Maaaaaannnn...

All I know is this little nigga better stay focused and not follow up with some wack shit

 

[Spectrum]

Maaaaaannnn...

All I know is this little nigga better stay focused and not follow up with some wack shit

damn... that showed that muthafucka hella love...

 

[2 ONE 3]

at Game passing anyone a torch! Cool video, never saw this.....yet, at the same time, in regards to the KONY, cats claimed it, (Biggie, Nas, Jay, etc...), they didn't have shit passed to them.

I think we respect our OG's more than NY.


We look up to the cats that came before. And if you nice and are repping the coast the right way....the older pioneers show love.

NY isn't like that. Different values I guess.

 

[EPDC]

I think we respect our OG's more than NY.


We look up to the cats that came before. And if you nice and are repping the coast the right way....the older pioneers show love.

NY isn't like that. Different values I guess.

Yeah, I can see that.

 

[LSN]

Maaaaaannnn...

All I know is this little nigga better stay focused and not follow up with some wack shit

damn... that showed that muthafucka hella love...

if the rest of the black hippy crew step up to his level...that's a huge force right there jay rock spazzed out on this track

 

[DaAssWatcher]

That's the problem. When all else fails, we keep relying on our history in this game to save us from irrelevance. That shit doesn't hold up in the current era. 90's era NYC rappers have no place whatsoever in this battle. It's not their fight. They've already cemented their legacies and have nothing to prove. It wouldn't mean SHIT for Nas, Jay, or one of the golden era greats to respond. It's time for the current generation to step up or sit fuck down. PERIOD.

Kendrick has effectively drawn a line in the sand. What's more, he's done so in a very subversive and clever way. The KONY line actually serves a dual purpose. He's challenging our Hip-Hop mythology, while at the same time further cementing that same myth. He respects that era, and what the KONY title USED to mean (heavy emphasis on "USED TO"). It don't mean shit now,. K Dot offered a shout out and threw a life line. It's not a diss. It's challenge that is fully in keeping with the true spirit of Hip-Hop.

Yet, in typical NYC fashion, some of my more effeminate brethren can't see the forest for the trees. Their egos keep getting in the way. They perceive any reference to the Big Apple by an outsider as a slight or a diss. Are you guys really THAT butthurt about this?

Personally, I don't think Papoose or even Joell has any business responding. They were not the intended targets. None of the current crop of NYC rappers are on K Dot's level. Period. End of story. If those cats can't step up and prove they are worthy of their forebears, then Kendrick really is King. As someone who's from the BX, I don't have a problem with that. Neither do Big Daddy Kane and Talib Kweli, from what I can tell.

Thats where NY got themselves into trouble.Tha new niggaz started gravitating to other regions instead of keeping tha lyricist lineage going.
Tha more tha 90s cats started to fade from tha scene tha more mediocre tha new niggaz kept getting until it became acceptable.
Now tha most recognized new niggaz lyrics are not strong enough to attempt to fire back let alone win tha battle.
Even though this isn't there battle, a response from anyone from D-Block will have a bigger buzz than an ASAP response cause cats whether in NY or another region are already expecting a trash response from tha latter which will make tha situation even worse.
Tha hottest nigga in NY right now wears skirts........Not a good look.

Man, it's not that NYC cats haven't brought it on themselves...

...but NYC is a city that people are always looking to 'take down a notch'.

Dude was right in what he said. Nothing New Yorkers do, or don't do, is going to work.

New York City and London are considered to be the top two alpha cities in the world, with Tokyo and Paris not far behind. I don't know about London, but New York wear it's status on it's sleeve...

...and when New Yorkers leave NYC and move to other cities, they have to make it known they are from NYC and how much NYC is better than where they currently live.

So, call it what it is...

...people are tired of hearing about New York City. Kendrick is gettin' excessive praise for this because he went at NYC in a very clever way. At least that's the perception.

I listened to Kendrick's shit, and I thought it was decent enough. But, people love to see New Yorkers squirm. No other city has so many people rooting against it.

LA is big enough to get under New York's skin, but still dealing with that same inferiority complex - so LA niggas are enjoying seeing Goliath struggle to get it's footing.

Look at Mrs. Shemar Moore in here taking shots at NYC like the faggot she is.

Kendrick was a fan of NY rap so to him its disappointing when their isn't a legion of rappers that are hot lyric wise from NY.
NY went from WU-Tang to Dipset.Mobb Deep to ASAP Mob.
Thats an ass backwards progression.

watching these threads is more revealing of how emotional dudes are against ny on some "you always picked on me growing up" type shit

Nah niggaz want to hear hot ass music coming from there.NY dominated tha airwaves during tha 80s,90s and a lil bit of 2000s but now are left to irrelevancy unless Jay-Z drops a new song.
Step yall game up and get tha skirt wearing niggaz tha fuck away from tha mic.

don't call out ny if you're not prepared to deal with he consequences...ny is the birthplace of hip hop..you cant say you're the king of a city if you're not from here PERIOD!

Well a kingdom without a king can always be layed claimed to by outsiders.

 

[mcguyver]

Papoose came with straight ether and BGOL's west coast is crying fouls "he came at Kendrick too hard". Yall can't Be shooting a 22 from across the country at NY but then get mad when we fire a missle back.

 

[Black Sexxxploitation]

I think we respect our OG's more than NY.


We look up to the cats that came before. And if you nice and are repping the coast the right way....the older pioneers show love.

NY isn't like that. Different values I guess.

I think it's also that your OG's have a sense of humility. When a worthy newcomer stepped to the fore, Snoop and company had the good grace to step aside. That shows true love for your culture and your coast. Snoop already had the West Coast "crown." He's done his thing, and has no problem handing it off to a worthy successor.

When Snoop had that "Protect The West" Summit in 2005, it felt a little forced. A resurrection or resurgence has to happen ORGANICALLY. You can't force it. Truth be told, you shouldn't even wait for it or want it to happen. Things have to take their natural course. K Dot's rise feels natural. It's the right time for it, and now he's winning. More power to him.

The problem with New Yorkers is that we always wanna force shit instead of letting it happen organically. That's how Papoose's response felt: forced than a motherfucker.

 

[2 ONE 3]

I think it's also that your OG's have a sense of humility. When a worthy newcomer stepped to the fore, Snoop and company had the good grace to step aside. That shows true love for your culture and your coast. Snoop already had the West Coast "crown." He's done his thing, and has no problem handing it off to a worthy successor.

When Snoop had that "Protect The West" Summit in 2005, it felt a little forced. A resurrection or resurgence has to happen ORGANICALLY. You can't force it. Truth be told, you shouldn't even wait for it or want it to happen. Things have to take their natural course. K Dot's rise feels natural. It's the right time for it, and now he's winning. More power to him.

The problem with New Yorkers is that we always wanna force shit instead of letting it happen organically. That's how Papoose's response felt: forced than a motherfucker.

C/S all of this bruh

 

[LSN]

this is nonsense...west coast rappers have been battling each other for years...granted this passing of the torch was a nice gesture but let's not forget he's on aftermath...so it's no real surprise that snoop who's on his last legs + a virtually irrelevant game are c/sing the kid...if dude wasn't affiliated w/ dre...snoop + game wouldn't had been on him like that

I think it's also that your OG's have a sense of humility. When a worthy newcomer stepped to the fore, Snoop and company had the good grace to step aside. That shows true love for your culture and your coast. Snoop already had the West Coast "crown." He's done his thing, and has no problem handing it off to a worthy successor.

When Snoop had that "Protect The West" Summit in 2005, it felt a little forced. A resurrection or resurgence has to happen ORGANICALLY. You can't force it. Truth be told, you shouldn't even wait for it or want it to happen. Things have to take their natural course. K Dot's rise feels natural. It's the right time for it, and now he's winning. More power to him.

The problem with New Yorkers is that we always wanna force shit instead of letting it happen organically. That's how Papoose's response felt: forced than a motherfucker.

 

[soulcontroller]

I think it's also that your OG's have a sense of humility. When a worthy newcomer stepped to the fore, Snoop and company had the good grace to step aside. That shows true love for your culture and your coast. Snoop already had the West Coast "crown." He's done his thing, and has no problem handing it off to a worthy successor.

When Snoop had that "Protect The West" Summit in 2005, it felt a little forced. A resurrection or resurgence has to happen ORGANICALLY. You can't force it. Truth be told, you shouldn't even wait for it or want it to happen. Things have to take their natural course. K Dot's rise feels natural. It's the right time for it, and now he's winning. More power to him.

The problem with New Yorkers is that we always wanna force shit instead of letting it happen organically. That's how Papoose's response felt: forced than a motherfucker.

Its like they feel entitled to it like a bitch ass lil kid.

 

[LSN]

at Game passing anyone a torch! Cool video, never saw this.....

ya I thought it was more top artists than just game + snoop...hadn't seen it in a while

 

[Black Sexxxploitation]

C/S all of this bruh

No doubt.

In addition, I think that some of our newcomers have a bit TOO much reverence for our OG's. They simply want to emulate and carry on tradition instead of adding something new. They want to be Nas/Jay 2.0.

The same goes for the newcomers that supposedly are more open to sounds and styles from other regions, like A$AP Rocky. He's a BK cat who does that Houston Chopped & Screwed shit. Alas, there's nothing distinct about him. It just feels bland and derivative.

I think that's what the new crop failed to learn from their forebears. The genius of Post Golden Era NYC rappers is how they managed to strike a balance between homegrown traditions and outside influences. Pac once described BIG as being merely a "Brooklyn Nigga who dreams of being a West Coast nigga." Even though he meant it as a slight, that fact was key to BIG's appeal. It's what made him stand out. His West coast gangsta influences where obvious in his flow, subject matter, and at times even his production. Yet he always had a distinct NYC identity. It was undeniably west coast influenced, yet STILL unmistakably Brooklyn. Nas, Wu-Tang, Mobb Deep, and others did the same thing in subtler ways.

It's almost like what Cube did with Death Certificate and to a lesser degree, Amerikkka's Most Wanted. He mixed West Coast gangster shit with East coast politically conscious shit and came up with a distinct hybrid.

That skill is a huge part of what new school NYC rappers are lacking. My ipod is stocked full of Nas, Wu-Tang, Mobb Deep, Boot Camp Click. If I want to hear dudes talk about going to some bodega in Washington heights to cop a few kilos, THAT's who I'm going to listen to. Not some carbon copy who excels in technical proficiency but isn't bringing anything new to the mix.

Sorry for the long ass post, but just had to get these thoughts down. Peace.

 

[Black Sexxxploitation]

this is nonsense...west coast rappers have been battling each other for years...granted this passing of the torch was a nice gesture but let's not forget he's on aftermath...so it's no real surprise that snoop who's on his last legs + a virtually irrelevant game are c/sing the kid...if dude wasn't affiliated w/ dre...snoop + game wouldn't had been on him like that

What you're failing to mention is that Snoop had been trying to quell the battles that your talking about, hence the Protect The West summit. He pretty much sat out the whole Death Row/Bad Boy beef once he realized that shit was getting out of hand. That decision caused a rift between him and Pac. Yeah, he's the same guy that kicked over our buildings (I still don't see the song itself as a diss to NY, regardless of what anyone says.). He's also the same guy who did that defiant rant at the 95 Source Awards. He obviously knows when enough is enough, and when change is necessary.

Yeah, the torch passing was a nice gesture, but I still think it may have been a genuine one on some level. Experience tends to change your outlook on things.

 

[MadWun]

if the rest of the black hippy crew step up to his level...that's a huge force right there jay rock spazzed out on this track

Bitch ass niggaz steady PMSing #Papoose

 

[LSN]

I "failed" to mention it cuz it's irrelevant to this whole kumbaya bullshit of la heads having more respect for their ogs than ny heads + bla bla bla...snoop is one person who got old + grew up...good for him...who cares...if y'all think papoose shit was wack then fine I agree everything else mentioned here discussing east vs. west is pretty much petty bullshit @ this point

What you're failing to mention is that Snoop had been trying to quell the battles that your talking about, hence the Protect The West summit. He pretty much sat out the whole Death Row/Bad Boy beef once he realized that shit was getting out of hand. That decision caused a rift between him and Pac. Yeah, he's the same guy that kicked over our buildings (I still don't see the song itself as a diss to NY, regardless of what anyone says.). He's also the same guy who did that defiant rant at the 95 Source Awards. He obviously knows when enough is enough, and when change is necessary.

Yeah, the torch passing was a nice gesture, but I still think it may have been a genuine one on some level. Experience tends to change your outlook on things.

 

[alexw]

so ninjas in here are really acting like the commercialization of hip hop/jew ownership isnt what destroyed nyc hip hop scene

ok

there is a reason most people think hip hop sucks today but yall want to act brand new

but lets not be blinded by facts now

 

[brickwall92]

No doubt.

In addition, I think that some of our newcomers have a bit TOO much reverence for our OG's. They simply want to emulate and carry on tradition instead of adding something new. They want to be Nas/Jay 2.0.

The same goes for the newcomers that supposedly are more open to sounds and styles from other regions, like A$AP Rocky. He's a BK cat who does that Houston Chopped & Screwed shit. Alas, there's nothing distinct about him. It just feels bland and derivative.

I think that's what the new crop failed to learn from their forebears. The genius of Post Golden Era NYC rappers is how they managed to strike a balance between homegrown traditions and outside influences. Pac once described BIG as being merely a "Brooklyn Nigga who dreams of being a West Coast nigga." Even though he meant it as a slight, that fact was key to BIG's appeal. It's what made him stand out. His West coast gangsta influences where obvious in his flow, subject matter, and at times even his production. Yet he always had a distinct NYC identity. It was undeniably west coast influenced, yet STILL unmistakably Brooklyn. Nas, Wu-Tang, Mobb Deep, and others did the same thing in subtler ways.

It's almost like what Cube did with Death Certificate and to a lesser degree, Amerikkka's Most Wanted. He mixed West Coast gangster shit with East coast politically conscious shit and came up with a distinct hybrid.

That skill is a huge part of what new school NYC rappers are lacking. My ipod is stocked full of Nas, Wu-Tang, Mobb Deep, Boot Camp Click. If I want to hear dudes talk about going to some bodega in Washington heights to cop a few kilos, THAT's who I'm going to listen to. Not some carbon copy who excels in technical proficiency but isn't bringing anything new to the mix.

Sorry for the long ass post, but just had to get these thoughts down. Peace.

He's from Harlem... and he doesn't just do the houston sound and noticed you took at subliminal shot at joey badass. earlier . with the if you want to hear wutuang and boot camp.. you'll listen to them

I don't agree with that logic.. imagine if someone was like nas style was too much like rakim and kool g rap.. so they didn't fuck with nas and missed out on a future great ?

 

[mrJR]

Kendrick made Papoosie period come early this month

 

[2 ONE 3]

Kendrick made Papoosie period come early this month

 

[HeathCliff]

Kendrick made Papoosie period come early this month

Hilarious

 

[Black Sexxxploitation]

He's from Harlem... and he doesn't just do the houston sound

I stand corrected on the Harlem thing. Thanks for that.

As for his sound, whatever it is, it feels/sounds indistinct and derivative. That's what I was trying to get across.

 

[chillwillwonka]

Papoose came with straight ether and BGOL's west coast is crying fouls "he came at Kendrick too hard". Yall can't Be shooting a 22 from across the country at NY but then get mad when we fire a missle back.

Wait, did you type that with a strait face?

The irony about the whole song is that it WASNT ABOUT BEING NO KONY!!!!

Nobody gives a shit about that title except mix tape cifer non-money mixtape giving away over thirty dusty "gods."

Rap has moved on and keeps moving. The irony is Kedrick is obviously influenced by NY yet NY is hell bent on dissing a dude that was low key giving you props.

Once these NY butt hurt niggas understand that, only then can you write a proper response.

 

[MadWun]

Kendrick made Papoosie period come early this month

 

[keone]

Kendrick made Papoosie period come early this month

 

[bborn]

peace

if the rest of the black hippy crew step up to his level...that's a huge force right there jay rock spazzed out on this track

Good look on this as I needed it!

I see this dead assed deteriorating horse is still getting beat.

Just lemme know when more Black Hippie shit comes out as I like the material K Lamar does with them better than by himself

 

[Raeeb7]

All I'm asking is when did NY have all this radio play because I don't remember. In the 80s their were not hip hop stations that played rap all day. Maybe if you lived in NY or LA but in the other regions you had a rap attack show that was maybe an hour. Rap city won't out yet Yo MTV raps was an hour on Saturdays. In the 90s when shit got commercialized the west had it that's all u saw until Bad boy had they run and that was 95till 2000. The best MCs of NY never got radio play. That's why they always heated only way they could get play was to switch they style. Lamar OK but he got the machine behind him, him and Game both on Interscope. Lamar ain't that nice rhyme for rhyme but when everyone on ya dick you the man. So it is what it is but I ain't mad at Pap. Rosenberg is a cracka his opinion never matters on hip hop to me. This like a NBA analyst sayin his favorite player Kobe then tryin to have an unbiased discussion on who the best player in the league is fuck outta here

 

[Multi - Personality]

Kendrick made Papoosie period come early this month

 

[exiledking]

Don't like Rap and can't understand why so many 40 plus year old black men on BGOL are caught up with this. But A Jew name Rosenberg questioning this guy because of what he said shows how lost some of you are? Bottom line words have consequences, I haven't heard what kicked this off, but people take things personally sometimes. Jews love this back, and forth between black people.

you're like...

i don't know

you're just so off base on this lol

and speak for yourself all of ain't 40
some of us ain't even 30 yet

dude tryin to come in on some shit he clearly knows nothin about with that simplistic ass talk

 

[HeathCliff]

All I'm asking is when did NY have all this radio play because I don't remember. In the 80s their were not hip hop stations that played rap all day. Maybe if you lived in NY or LA but in the other regions you had a rap attack show that was maybe an hour. Rap city won't out yet Yo MTV raps was an hour on Saturdays. In the 90s when shit got commercialized the west had it that's all u saw until Bad boy had they run and that was 95till 2000. The best MCs of NY never got radio play. That's why they always heated only way they could get play was to switch they style. Lamar OK but he got the machine behind him, him and Game both on Interscope. Lamar ain't that nice rhyme for rhyme but when everyone on ya dick you the man. So it is what it is but I ain't mad at Pap. Rosenberg is a cracka his opinion never matters on hip hop to me. This like a NBA analyst sayin his favorite player Kobe then tryin to have an unbiased discussion on who the best player in the league is fuck outta here

Cool story bro

 

[mcguyver]

How can I dude with not one quotable song or hit album claim he is the defender of NY??? Man get outta here. Wack ass nigga stoop low to get some attention.

 

[D24OHA]

Soooo nobody gonna mention this shit?!!



Pap performed at Summer Jam 2013 thanks to K dot and TDE. This mfkr got a chance to shine IN HIS OWN MFKIN CITY by a west coast artist!!

Pap IS BUTT HURT!! this mfkr biting the hand of a dude that took time out of his own set so he could "headline" summer jam for 2-3 mins . . .

man fuck Pap for that diss shit. Mfkr you failed the challenge and proved K dot right, dumb ass

 

[evolution81]

Thats where NY got themselves into trouble.Tha new niggaz started gravitating to other regions instead of keeping tha lyricist lineage going.
Tha more tha 90s cats started to fade from tha scene tha more mediocre tha new niggaz kept getting until it became acceptable.
Now tha most recognized new niggaz lyrics are not strong enough to attempt to fire back let alone win tha battle.
Even though this isn't there battle, a response from anyone from D-Block will have a bigger buzz than an ASAP response cause cats whether in NY or another region are already expecting a trash response from tha latter which will make tha situation even worse.
Tha hottest nigga in NY right now wears skirts........Not a good look.
Kendrick was a fan of NY rap so to him its disappointing when their isn't a legion of rappers that are hot lyric wise from NY.
NY went from WU-Tang to Dipset.Mobb Deep to ASAP Mob.
Thats an ass backwards progression.


Nah niggaz want to hear hot ass music coming from there.NY dominated tha airwaves during tha 80s,90s and a lil bit of 2000s but now are left to irrelevancy unless Jay-Z drops a new song.
Step yall game up and get tha skirt wearing niggaz tha fuck away from tha mic.

Well a kingdom without a king can always be layed claimed to by outsiders.

Hov is the king what you mean?