Republicans call for the repeal of the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution

[Spectrum]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/02/jon-kyl-repeal-14th-amendment-immigrants_n_667098.html

On Sunday, Sen. John Kyl (R-Ariz.) became the highest-ranking Republican to call for the repeal of the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. Appearing on CBS' Face the Nation, Kyl said that he opposes allowing children of undocumented immigrants to be granted U.S. citizenship and wants Congress to hold hearings on the matter.

In doing so, the Senate's no. 2 Republican didn't place himself on the extreme wing of his party's stance on immigration policy. Rather, he joined what is a growing movement that could very well shape the official policy planks of the GOP.

There are already a number of Republican officials who have preceded Kyl in calling for a reworking of the country's citizenship laws. Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) has proposed the piece of legislation that would repeal the 14th Amendment; he is joined on the House side by Rep. Jack Kimble (R-Calif.).

An aide to Graham said that there had been no formal dates set for hearings or the bill's introduction. "Senator Graham threw this out there on Fox News and it is something that he has been talking about in South Carolina as well," the aide said. But there was growing talk and legislative activity around the concept.

In the House, Rep. Lamar Smith (R-Tex.) has introduced the Birthright Citizenship Act of 2009, which would attempt to deny children of illegal immigrants U.S. citizenship through statute rather than a constitutional amendment (thereby lowering the vote threshold). He has 93 co-sponsors for that effort including Rep. Nathan Deal, the Georgia Republican who is in a runoff to be the party's candidate for governor.

Senate candidate Rand Paul (R-Ky.) caused a stir shortly after winning his primary by saying he supported stripping citizenship from children of the undocumented. Former congressman and potential Colorado gubernatorial candidate Tom Tancredo -- one of the staunchest anti-illegal immigration voices in national politics -- has made repeal of the 14th Amendment a major cause.

There are many obscure Republican candidates who have made the same proposal, including Kevin Craig in Missouri and Gary McLeod (an obscure Christian conservative who is challenging -- without much hope -- Majority Whip James Clyburn).


But what may be most telling about the 14th amendment repeal campaign -- the element that suggests it could be a major philosophical force within the Republican Party -- are its roots. Well before it became en vogue for Republicans to advocate fundamental change in citizenship laws, the idea was being bandied about among the intellectual bastions of the conservative movement. The Heritage Foundation produced a report on the matter in 2006. And Fred Thompson -- back when he was igniting a whisper campaign that he was the one Republican with the intellectual heft to run for president -- was talking about repealing the 14th amendment back in 2007.

"I think that law was created at another time and place for valid reasons," said the former U.S. senator from Tennessee. "It probably needs to be revisited."

 

[alexw]

what the fuck!!!!

If youre born on american soil, youre fucking american.

half of these devils would lose citizenship if this was law in the early 1900s

 

[Autobot8655]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/08/02/jon-kyl-repeal-14th-amendment-immigrants_n_667098.html

On Sunday, Sen. John Kyl (R-Ariz.) became the highest-ranking Republican to call for the repeal of the 14th Amendment to the U.S. Constitution. Appearing on CBS' Face the Nation, Kyl said that he opposes allowing children of undocumented immigrants to be granted U.S. citizenship and wants Congress to hold hearings on the matter.

In doing so, the Senate's no. 2 Republican didn't place himself on the extreme wing of his party's stance on immigration policy. Rather, he joined what is a growing movement that could very well shape the official policy planks of the GOP.

There are already a number of Republican officials who have preceded Kyl in calling for a reworking of the country's citizenship laws. Sen. Lindsey Graham (R-S.C.) has proposed the piece of legislation that would repeal the 14th Amendment; he is joined on the House side by Rep. Jack Kimble (R-Calif.).

An aide to Graham said that there had been no formal dates set for hearings or the bill's introduction. "Senator Graham threw this out there on Fox News and it is something that he has been talking about in South Carolina as well," the aide said. But there was growing talk and legislative activity around the concept.

In the House, Rep. Lamar Smith (R-Tex.) has introduced the Birthright Citizenship Act of 2009, which would attempt to deny children of illegal immigrants U.S. citizenship through statute rather than a constitutional amendment (thereby lowering the vote threshold). He has 93 co-sponsors for that effort including Rep. Nathan Deal, the Georgia Republican who is in a runoff to be the party's candidate for governor.

Senate candidate Rand Paul (R-Ky.) caused a stir shortly after winning his primary by saying he supported stripping citizenship from children of the undocumented. Former congressman and potential Colorado gubernatorial candidate Tom Tancredo -- one of the staunchest anti-illegal immigration voices in national politics -- has made repeal of the 14th Amendment a major cause.

There are many obscure Republican candidates who have made the same proposal, including Kevin Craig in Missouri and Gary McLeod (an obscure Christian conservative who is challenging -- without much hope -- Majority Whip James Clyburn).


But what may be most telling about the 14th amendment repeal campaign -- the element that suggests it could be a major philosophical force within the Republican Party -- are its roots. Well before it became en vogue for Republicans to advocate fundamental change in citizenship laws, the idea was being bandied about among the intellectual bastions of the conservative movement. The Heritage Foundation produced a report on the matter in 2006. And Fred Thompson -- back when he was igniting a whisper campaign that he was the one Republican with the intellectual heft to run for president -- was talking about repealing the 14th amendment back in 2007.

"I think that law was created at another time and place for valid reasons," said the former U.S. senator from Tennessee. "It probably needs to be revisited."

 

[Non-StopJFK2TAB]

i disagree with this idea and notion. i understand the white mans's plight, he's afraid and terrified of being native americanized, but its too late and the hispanics have already done their damage.

 

[BigDaddyBuk]

but i thought they wanted to get back to the basics of the constitution...and that challenging it was tantamount to treason!

what?

what's that?

only when it involves stopping a Black president is when we need to get back to it, but when it's about stopping Messicans from becoming citizens we need to change it.

oh.

thanks for clarifying.

 

[PsyenceRawk]

these CACs are seriously something else... wow, and they think this shit is just okay...

 

[sharkbait28]

Both parties are kind of shitty but if anyone denies that Republicans are straight up lunatics and completely bankrupt in terms of credibility or meaningful ideas they need to wake the fuck up.

Fuck the GOP.

 

[Nzinga]

How many Americans live in foreign country? As America becomes economically irrelevant, one day someone in some foreign country will have the courage to do to Americans what they do to others...

 

[malaki]

i disagree with this idea and notion. i understand the white mans's plight, he's afraid and terrified of being native americanized, but its too late and the hispanics have already done their damage.

 

[Amajorfucup]

"I think that law was created at another time and place for valid reasons," said the former U.S. senator from Tennessee. "It probably needs to be revisited."

There is actually a sound and intelligent argument to be made for this.

Good luck repealing a fucking Amendment though. When was that last done. Prohibition?

 

[YoungEddieOThorp]

THE CACS scare the shit of me for the pure RAWNESS of their BALLS!! THESE hispanics had a very comfortable transition in the last 35 years in the US because BLACK FOLK was the object of the POWERS that be's SCORN. We were public enemy number, but it seems the tables have turned. Whatever happens, it is going to be strange to watch them experience legalized WHITE POWER on a CONSTITUTIONAL and legislative level like we did pre-desegregation on a national level.



Boy, these CACs keep it INTERESTING!

 

[darth frosty]

For those slow like me :

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.
Section 2. Representatives shall be apportioned among the several States according to their respective numbers, counting the whole number of persons in each State, excluding Indians not taxed. But when the right to vote at any election for the choice of electors for President and Vice President of the United States, Representatives in Congress, the Executive and Judicial officers of a State, or the members of the Legislature thereof, is denied to any of the male inhabitants of such State, being twenty-one years of age, and citizens of the United States, or in any way abridged, except for participation in rebellion, or other crime, the basis of representation therein shall be reduced in the proportion which the number of such male citizens shall bear to the whole number of male citizens twenty-one years of age in such State.
Section 3. No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may, by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.
Section 4. The validity of the public debt of the United States, authorized by law, including debts incurred for payment of pensions and bounties for services in suppressing insurrection or rebellion, shall not be questioned. But neither the United States nor any State shall assume or pay any debt or obligation incurred in aid of insurrection or rebellion against the United States, or any claim for the loss or emancipation of any slave; but all such debts, obligations and claims shall be held illegal and void.
Section 5. The Congress shall have power to enforce, by appropriate legislation, the provisions of this article.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourteenth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution

 

[redemption]

Obama 2012!!! ...The GOP is pretty much guaranteeing it with moves like this

 

[fatsack1]

Them cacs Say they about to end the gravy train.....

 

[Upgrade Dave]

To pacify certain elements in on the extreme Right, the Republican Party is going to lose the Hispanic (not just Mexican) vote for the next 25 years, at least. That will put formerly strong Republican states like Texas in play on the state and national levels. They cut off their noses to spite their faces.
It's the exact playbook that keeps them from being competitive with Black voters on a large scale.

 

[Pworld297]

Thing is Latinos have been trying to jump ship on Obama lately, they are going to find out quickly that the republicans don't give a fuck about they ass at all, they will realize republicans only want shit the White way!

 

[Les W]

It seems funny how no one seems to understand that though this affects a majority of Latinos "black" immigrants are in the same boat ... oh yeah i forgot the attitude of the African American is "who cares about foreign born 'blacks'?"

 

[fourth_retired]

basically they dont want people coming here trying to live off the system. Alot of hispanics come here just to have children and live off the system and who ends up paying? the tax payer.

but I must say the hispanics aren't what broke this country. its the Wars, Stimulas, Bailouts that is putting this country in to serious financial problems in the future.

 

[exiledking]

but i thought they wanted to get back to the basics of the constitution...and that challenging it was tantamount to treason!

what?

what's that?

only when it involves stopping a Black president is when we need to get back to it, but when it's about stopping Messicans from becoming citizens we need to change it.

oh.

thanks for clarifying.

 

[Decon Frost]

It seems funny how no one seems to understand that though this affects a majority of Latinos "black" immigrants are in the same boat ... oh yeah i forgot the attitude of the African American is "who cares about foreign born 'blacks'?"

Foreign Blacks don't come here illegally. Its kinda hard to swim across the Atlantic Ocean.

 

[sharkbait28]

It seems funny how no one seems to understand that though this affects a majority of Latinos "black" immigrants are in the same boat ... oh yeah i forgot the attitude of the African American is "who cares about foreign born 'blacks'?"

Exactly

To pacify certain elements in on the extreme Right, the Republican Party is going to lose the Hispanic (not just Mexican) vote for the next 25 years, at least. That will put formerly strong Republican states like Texas in play on the state and national levels. They cut off their noses to spite their faces.
It's the exact playbook that keeps them from being competitive with Black voters on a large scale.

Yup.

The Southern Strategy Redux.

basically they dont want people coming here trying to live off the system. Alot of hispanics come here just to have children and live off the system and who ends up paying? the tax payer.

but I must say the hispanics aren't what broke this country. its the Wars, Stimulas, Bailouts that is putting this country in to serious financial problems in the future.

The thing is that this notion of the "freeloading immigrant...stealing our resources" is largely mythology. Most pay into the system via tax withholding etc and aren't able to derive benefits at all. This is well documented.

This sort of narrative about "freeloading illegals/immigrants ruining our lives" etc rears it head in every developed nation with economic problems during hard times... it's usually emotional rhetoric with little in the way of facts to support it.

The reality is that there is a cold hard economic logic to illegal immigration that people are completely unwilling to look at. The system produces the very problem we decry.

But anyways your second paragraph is spot on. There are much more meaningful problems that demand serious and speedy responses than the hysterical fear of illegals.

 

[Cannibal]

Paul Mooney Called this shit out in his stand up. 5:20 mark. Check it. The Mexicans are getting their "Nigga Wake up Call".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qGjrDS4F1E

Assist. And can someone tell me how to post youtube. I'm an idiot that doesn't have time to figure it out.

 

[malaki]

basically they dont want people coming here trying to live off the system. Alot of hispanics come here just to have children and live off the system and who ends up paying? the tax payer.

right illegal immigrants come here to live off the fat of the system, they hardly ever work

 

[Spectrum]

right illegal immigrants come here to live off the fat of the system, they hardly ever work

You are from Cali so I know you know the deal. I lived in SoCal for a minute and SoCal would go into a depression if the illegal immigrants migrated back to Mexico... How many service industries would go under? You wouldnt even be able to get fresh fruit in Orange County.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

The thing is that this notion of the "freeloading immigrant...stealing our resources" is largely mythology. Most pay into the system via tax withholding etc and aren't able to derive benefits at all. This is well documented.

This sort of narrative about "freeloading illegals/immigrants ruining our lives" etc rears it head in every developed nation with economic problems during hard times... it's usually emotional rhetoric with little in the way of facts to support it.

The reality is that there is a cold hard economic logic to illegal immigration that people are completely unwilling to look at. The system produces the very problem we decry.

But anyways your second paragraph is spot on. There are much more meaningful problems that demand serious and speedy responses than the hysterical fear of illegals.

All this ^^^^^^^^^

 

[malaki]

You are from Cali so I know you know the deal. I lived in SoCal for a minute and SoCal would go into a depression if the illegal immigrants migrated back to Mexico... How many service industries would go under? You wouldnt even be able to get fresh fruit in Orange County.

this whole thing is just typical ameriKKKan hypocrisy. honestly I think people should be able to go where they want to. the rich nations loot and destroy the economies of poor nations and then scream with the poor bastards try to escape. I mean take NAFTA, the US's government-subsidized crops bombed out the small Mexican farmers who had been in business for generations; okay, now they have to go to the sweatshop factories set up so the US corporations could move their production away from American unions and pay slave wages. whoops! now American business decides to move production to China and there aren't any more sweatshop jobs. well then they have to come up here. honestly this whole "controversy" is not a problem! I see illegal immigrants every day and all I see them doing is WORK.

that said, I doubt most people want to come here but its just impossible to make a living where they are. the US should start investing in a positive manner in the nations to our south instead of steadily trying to turn them into slaves, pulling coups on their democratically elected governments, and our usual shenanigans. the racism of this country is unbelievable.

 

[Spectrum]

this whole thing is just typical ameriKKKan hypocrisy. honestly I think people should be able to go where they want to. the rich nations loot and destroy the economies of poor nations and then scream with the poor bastards try to escape. I mean take NAFTA, the US's government-subsidized crops bombed out the small Mexican farmers who had been in business for generations; okay, now they have to go to the sweatshop factories set up so the US corporations could move their production away from American unions and pay slave wages. whoops! now American business decides to move production to China and there aren't any more sweatshop jobs. well then they have to come up here. honestly this whole "controversy" is not a problem! I see illegal immigrants every day and all I see them doing is WORK.

that said, I doubt most people want to come here but its just impossible to make a living where they are. the US should start investing in a positive manner in the nations to our south instead of steadily trying to turn them into slaves, pulling coups on their democratically elected governments, and our usual shenanigans. the racism of this country is unbelievable.

 

[sharkbait28]

this whole thing is just typical ameriKKKan hypocrisy. honestly I think people should be able to go where they want to. the rich nations loot and destroy the economies of poor nations and then scream with the poor bastards try to escape. I mean take NAFTA, the US's government-subsidized crops bombed out the small Mexican farmers who had been in business for generations; okay, now they have to go to the sweatshop factories set up so the US corporations could move their production away from American unions and pay slave wages. whoops! now American business decides to move production to China and there aren't any more sweatshop jobs. well then they have to come up here. honestly this whole "controversy" is not a problem! I see illegal immigrants every day and all I see them doing is WORK.

that said, I doubt most people want to come here but its just impossible to make a living where they are. the US should start investing in a positive manner in the nations to our south instead of steadily trying to turn them into slaves, pulling coups on their democratically elected governments, and our usual shenanigans. the racism of this country is unbelievable.

Cosign the whole thing especially the bolded part. That's the economic logic that no one wants to address. It's all good when we have these mofos doing slave labor in their own countries with a horrible standard of living then fault them when they decide to hop across the border and do the same back breaking work (sometimes for the same companies!) for a marginally better standard of living.

And not to even mention anything about the corporate demand for cheap labor in the US.

 

[darrmokk384]

Forget a mexican send them all back

 

[dasureshot]

It seems funny how no one seems to understand that though this affects a majority of Latinos "black" immigrants are in the same boat ... oh yeah i forgot the attitude of the African American is "who cares about foreign born 'blacks'?"

There it is!!!! Glad you pointed this out.

Foreign Blacks don't come here illegally. Its kinda hard to swim across the Atlantic Ocean.

An estimated 5 Million of the suspected 14 Million illegals are here unlawfully because their student,workers, or visitation visas have expired.

How they got here isn't relevant in the grand scheme because illegal is illegal and the end result will be the same. Both of my parents came here in the 80's on visas that ultimately expired. The social climate was completely different then but that still didn't stop them from literally going into hiding until their legalization issues were resolved.

 

[TIMEISMONEY]

Foreign Blacks don't come here illegally. Its kinda hard to swim across the Atlantic Ocean.

You would be surprised my friend. I know plenty who has.

 

[360KNOWLEDGE2]

You are from Cali so I know you know the deal. I lived in SoCal for a minute and SoCal would go into a depression if the illegal immigrants migrated back to Mexico... How many service industries would go under? You wouldnt even be able to get fresh fruit in Orange County.

BULLSHIT. Lots of Blacks left LA for other parts of the West and the South, cause they lost their jobs due to the illegals. Case in point. Janitorial services. You can pay an illegal with an illegally obtained SS number min wage for years. A legit business, who wants to do it the right way, just cant compete.
I feel what Sen. Kyl is saying, but he's going about it the wrong way. There's no reason to get rid of the amendment, just clarification is needed. The parents of these anchor babies aren't under the jurisdiction of the US, therefore their children aren't US citizens.

 

[Spectrum]

BULLSHIT. Lots of Blacks left LA for other parts of the West and the South, cause they lost their jobs due to the illegals. Case in point.

Think clearly. I said NOW. Who is arguing about the conditions that have rendered California dependent on illegal immigrants...The reality of the matter is that regardless of HOW it happened, SoCal is dependent on that population. Reading comprehension brah... you are creating a classic strawman..as I wasnt arguing what produced the situation.

AND LA is not ALL of California. There has NEVER been a large black population in Orange County or San Diego County and the same dependency is there as well.

 

[MongoSlade23]

You all have been punk'd.

 

[Decon Frost]

There it is!!!! Glad you pointed this out.



An estimated 5 Million of the suspected 14 Million illegals are here unlawfully because their student,workers, or visitation visas have expired.

How they got here isn't relevant in the grand scheme because illegal is illegal and the end result will be the same. Both of my parents came here in the 80's on visas that ultimately expired. The social climate was completely different then but that still didn't stop them from literally going into hiding until their legalization issues were resolved.

There's a difference in coming to a country legally and having your visa expire and sneaking into a country.