better then mine?
I got this very interesting email and I find it amusing that this trifling shat still permeates through some of my ignorant black people's consciousness. What say you Fam? Does getting a degree from a white university automatically propel you to the top?
I have the benefit of receiving degrees from a HBCU and some very white institutions and in my opinion employers really don’t give a shat unless you graduated from some ivory league school. I have worked with some bright cats from MIT, PV, SU, UMR, WSU, etc. However, I have worked with some bumbling idiots from the aforementioned universities. Post your opinions after reading this long Colin Powell azz post.
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Long but interesting!
The LSU student that wrote the letter received a response from a Southernite at the bottom.
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JUST BECAUSE I'M BLACK DOESN'T MEAN I HAVE TO GO TO SOUTHERN!
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by Pamela Coats ( notes) 11:26pm Tuesday, Feb 20
This group is for African American students who go to LSU who are sick and tired of defending why you don't go to Southern University! It's also for SU students who feel all blacks should go to SU. Come on people, we need to get down to the root. Everytime I say that I go to LSU, it's always some ignorant human being that asks "Why you up there with them white people?; why you don't go to Southern?" Well, here is my reason! What about you?
As much as I love my people, I feel that if you're going to be successful in today's society, you need to broaden your horizons. Why should I go to a school that only subjects me to black people? We all boast and rant about Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, Rosa Parks, etc., but we're not trying to make their dreams and accomplishments reality. Instead we run and hide behind the walls of an HBCU like racism isn't alive and well. If Southern and LSU collaborate, then the mission will be accomplished! Black LSU students are activists. Yes, we know that there are still alot of prejudice white people, but there are alot of them that aren't. We're setting a pavement for future black students who decide that they want to come to LSU. We're letting the one's that are racist know that not only can we do it, but we can do it better! We're causing their sterotype of blacks to disintegrate. MLK and the others faught for us to be able to go to school and sit next to those of other races! This is mainly in the confederate states though. If you go to any other state university, naturally, you're going to see majority white, because they outnumber us as far a education is concerned. Not just at LSU, you dummies! People need to stop comparing LSU and Southern. We are LOUISIANA STATE UNIVERSITY! The STATE's university! Maybe we want to go to a school that requires more from their students and doesn't have a reputation for giving out grades. Maybe we want to go to a school whose financial aid dept. isn't constantly under investigation. Can I go to a school that doesn't make me come up there everytime I have a question or problem? I went to Southern for 2 semesters, barely went to class and still got a 3.5. Not only that but I grew up in Baton Rouge. There's nothing there that moves me. No new buidlings, except the alumni center and some dorms, oh and don't forget the street by the police station. You would think after years and years that the burser's office will have a better way to issue refund check's. ( i.e. Tiger Card). Southern isn't even a prestigious HBCU college. If you noticed a couple weeks ago on the "Tribute to Aretha Franklin", the NAACP didn't even acknowledge SU; only colleges who are advancing their technology and those who have graduates who are actually doing something with their degrees (CAU, Morehouse, Spelman, Xavier...) It's time for SU to upgrade and for people to stop using their trifling, inadequate, incompentent behinds as a institution of higher learning. Why can't any of the Education and Nursing majors pass the state boards? Is it because the teachers are giving them their grades? If people would stop being so close-minded, instead of going to a school because they want to get discounts on Bayou Classic tickets, then our race would be able to stand up for people who say that we can't do it! I didn't mean to talk down on SU or offend anyone, but for any LSU student who is black and gets tired of our people judging us because we go to a instition of higher learning, tell them to kiss your you know what! If Southern was so much for it's black people, then why isn't the college working hard to keep the students their satisfied. Think about it, how many black people do you know that went to LSU and aren't SUCCESSFUL! How about SU? If you don't go to LSU, then you need to raise your standards and stop looking for an easy way out. You'll never make it in life if you have the mind set of majority black students in college. Oh, and how about the recent career fair everyone got all dressed up and became disappointed! It seems like "OUR" people aren't there for us like we thought, huh? Half of the teachers up there don't even care; they just want a paycheck. If SU loved us so much, why don't they hire teachers who are experienced in the fields that they teach, or should I say, "facilitate" because there's no teaching going on!
In response to my note from a student at Southern University:
Afternoon Ms. Coates
During my daily browsing of Facebook I came across your note about "Just Because I am black doesn't mean that I have to go to Southern." At first I thought it was just one of those groups of the never ending feud between both universities, but on further investigation what I read was deeply troubling in regards to your feelings about Southern. Fact one: Southern has a diverse population ranging from the faculty to the students. Southern has students from over 45 states and over 30 countries, which mean we are all not black on the bluff. Southern shares a rich culture for bringing international students here to do research and study in the great state of Louisiana.
All those you talk about in the aforementioned post do talk about breaking the racial divide and having equality for all, but with a closer look you see all of those that you mentioned went to a HBCU. You say that LSU Black students are activists, but what are you saying about Southern, are we pacifist? No! We believe in fighting for our rights just like our counterparts on the other side of the city as well. I commend you on attempting to break barriers for all African Americans but your point, in my belief is irrelevant. Let's look at it for a minute. Southern was found in order to give those an opportunity that could not have one elsewhere a chance to learn. In all of Southern's 127 year history, not once will you find that Southern was closed to other races like the school you boost about. MLK did fight to sit next to whites but he fought for equality. You can sit by a white person and still be treated harshly today.
Next you say that LSU requires more from there students than Southern. This is not true; there is some merit behind it but no truth in it. LSU has the honor to be called the states flagship school. LSU is becoming synonymous with the State of LA. That is why it is more rigorous to get into LSU. That is why their budget exceeds $1 billion annually. Maybe that is why it requires in your opinion more from its students. Let's not look at an isolated event with the grades scandal and plaster it over Southern. Yes there were a few individuals that chose to pay for grades and degrees, but what happen to them...that's right they were caught and stripped of their degrees. Does that sound like something a school would do if it didn't require much from its students? The basis of your argument is to find the faults instead of the accomplishments. Now let's look at you? What does it say about you that you went to Southern for a year barely went to class and still had a 3.5? I could suggest that you took introductory classes or electives that do not require much thought at all. It even suggests that you were careless enough with your intelligence not to go to class and cultivate you knowledge. Does this make you a bad person? No. But what does it say about your reasons for coming to Southern. Did you come there first because you were denied enrollment at LSU. Does it say that tuition was too high at LSU and you needed an alternative choice in education that was affordable as well as genuinely interested in your development? It says a lot.
You talk about buildings. If you were as aware as you seem to be, you would know that there is a $60 million bond agreement that has begun building and enhancing the infrastructure of the university.
How can you say that Southern is not a prestigious university? One program defines us? Okay so, what does that say about LSU, I have not heard anything about LSU on national telecast. If LSU is so prestigious, why is it not the authority on hurricane research? Why every year the predictions come from NOAA and Colorado State? If Southern was not prestigious you would not have the many respected leaders coming to visit? A former presidents, US Senators and representatives, world respected lawyers, top entertainment figures and the list could and does go on. What do they see that you don't?
Are you serious in your assertions that Southern graduates do nothing with their degrees? Look at the many US Army Generals that Southern has produced. Look at the producers and musicians that came from Southern. At IBM you will find that its Master Innovator, a black woman, graduated from that 'under achieving' university. Go to the website for Diversity in Higher Education. Southern is constantly in the top ten for producing African American degrees. What are LSU alumni doing? Oh by the way our Nursing program has one of the highest passage ratings in the state not to mention the only school in the state with a PhD program in nursing as well as a Master's in gerontology. If Southern was so incompetent, why was the School of Engineering recently awarded over $229 million as well as other programs on campus getting grants and endowments from across the nation. Have you looked into our physics program; headed by Dr. B? Yeah he is the one receiving the accolades from National Science Foundation as well as presidential honors for his work in science. (Look it up)
Yes career fair wasn't for everyone but do believe those there looking for something got it. Yes, I mean internships, co-ops and even jobs! Southern's rich foundation and tradition sets it among the top HBCU in the country. The only one with a system of more than two campuses, the only one that was ranked in the top ten for law schools by the Princeton Review. The only one that has the Naval leaders academy that trains students to become effective leaders in the Navy (no to mention that when one of the top Admiral's of the Navy was in BTR, he was at Southern, not LSU). The list could go on and on about Southern's rich culture and heritage, but I have to leave now. I could have started looking in to LSU's closet of bones, but why? Shouldn't we just want to uplift each other than say why I wouldn't go to either place? Southern has its problems, but who doesn't. LSU?
FOOD FOR THOUGHT
If it wasn't for the pioneers that founded Southern with 12 students and $10,000, or the people that fought to keep Southern open, or the opportunities that Southern has afforded countless blacks through the years....YOU WOULDN'T BE AT LSU!
Maybe you being black and going to LSU is a good thing for us.
--
~Samara
"Sometimes you just have to take the leap, and build your wings on the way down."
I got this very interesting email and I find it amusing that this trifling shat still permeates through some of my ignorant black people's consciousness. What say you Fam? Does getting a degree from a white university automatically propel you to the top?
I have the benefit of receiving degrees from a HBCU and some very white institutions and in my opinion employers really don’t give a shat unless you graduated from some ivory league school. I have worked with some bright cats from MIT, PV, SU, UMR, WSU, etc. However, I have worked with some bumbling idiots from the aforementioned universities. Post your opinions after reading this long Colin Powell azz post.
-------------------------------------------------------------------------
Long but interesting!
The LSU student that wrote the letter received a response from a Southernite at the bottom.
~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~
JUST BECAUSE I'M BLACK DOESN'T MEAN I HAVE TO GO TO SOUTHERN!
Share
by Pamela Coats ( notes) 11:26pm Tuesday, Feb 20
This group is for African American students who go to LSU who are sick and tired of defending why you don't go to Southern University! It's also for SU students who feel all blacks should go to SU. Come on people, we need to get down to the root. Everytime I say that I go to LSU, it's always some ignorant human being that asks "Why you up there with them white people?; why you don't go to Southern?" Well, here is my reason! What about you?
As much as I love my people, I feel that if you're going to be successful in today's society, you need to broaden your horizons. Why should I go to a school that only subjects me to black people? We all boast and rant about Martin Luther King, Malcolm X, Rosa Parks, etc., but we're not trying to make their dreams and accomplishments reality. Instead we run and hide behind the walls of an HBCU like racism isn't alive and well. If Southern and LSU collaborate, then the mission will be accomplished! Black LSU students are activists. Yes, we know that there are still alot of prejudice white people, but there are alot of them that aren't. We're setting a pavement for future black students who decide that they want to come to LSU. We're letting the one's that are racist know that not only can we do it, but we can do it better! We're causing their sterotype of blacks to disintegrate. MLK and the others faught for us to be able to go to school and sit next to those of other races! This is mainly in the confederate states though. If you go to any other state university, naturally, you're going to see majority white, because they outnumber us as far a education is concerned. Not just at LSU, you dummies! People need to stop comparing LSU and Southern. We are LOUISIANA STATE UNIVERSITY! The STATE's university! Maybe we want to go to a school that requires more from their students and doesn't have a reputation for giving out grades. Maybe we want to go to a school whose financial aid dept. isn't constantly under investigation. Can I go to a school that doesn't make me come up there everytime I have a question or problem? I went to Southern for 2 semesters, barely went to class and still got a 3.5. Not only that but I grew up in Baton Rouge. There's nothing there that moves me. No new buidlings, except the alumni center and some dorms, oh and don't forget the street by the police station. You would think after years and years that the burser's office will have a better way to issue refund check's. ( i.e. Tiger Card). Southern isn't even a prestigious HBCU college. If you noticed a couple weeks ago on the "Tribute to Aretha Franklin", the NAACP didn't even acknowledge SU; only colleges who are advancing their technology and those who have graduates who are actually doing something with their degrees (CAU, Morehouse, Spelman, Xavier...) It's time for SU to upgrade and for people to stop using their trifling, inadequate, incompentent behinds as a institution of higher learning. Why can't any of the Education and Nursing majors pass the state boards? Is it because the teachers are giving them their grades? If people would stop being so close-minded, instead of going to a school because they want to get discounts on Bayou Classic tickets, then our race would be able to stand up for people who say that we can't do it! I didn't mean to talk down on SU or offend anyone, but for any LSU student who is black and gets tired of our people judging us because we go to a instition of higher learning, tell them to kiss your you know what! If Southern was so much for it's black people, then why isn't the college working hard to keep the students their satisfied. Think about it, how many black people do you know that went to LSU and aren't SUCCESSFUL! How about SU? If you don't go to LSU, then you need to raise your standards and stop looking for an easy way out. You'll never make it in life if you have the mind set of majority black students in college. Oh, and how about the recent career fair everyone got all dressed up and became disappointed! It seems like "OUR" people aren't there for us like we thought, huh? Half of the teachers up there don't even care; they just want a paycheck. If SU loved us so much, why don't they hire teachers who are experienced in the fields that they teach, or should I say, "facilitate" because there's no teaching going on!
In response to my note from a student at Southern University:
Afternoon Ms. Coates
During my daily browsing of Facebook I came across your note about "Just Because I am black doesn't mean that I have to go to Southern." At first I thought it was just one of those groups of the never ending feud between both universities, but on further investigation what I read was deeply troubling in regards to your feelings about Southern. Fact one: Southern has a diverse population ranging from the faculty to the students. Southern has students from over 45 states and over 30 countries, which mean we are all not black on the bluff. Southern shares a rich culture for bringing international students here to do research and study in the great state of Louisiana.
All those you talk about in the aforementioned post do talk about breaking the racial divide and having equality for all, but with a closer look you see all of those that you mentioned went to a HBCU. You say that LSU Black students are activists, but what are you saying about Southern, are we pacifist? No! We believe in fighting for our rights just like our counterparts on the other side of the city as well. I commend you on attempting to break barriers for all African Americans but your point, in my belief is irrelevant. Let's look at it for a minute. Southern was found in order to give those an opportunity that could not have one elsewhere a chance to learn. In all of Southern's 127 year history, not once will you find that Southern was closed to other races like the school you boost about. MLK did fight to sit next to whites but he fought for equality. You can sit by a white person and still be treated harshly today.
Next you say that LSU requires more from there students than Southern. This is not true; there is some merit behind it but no truth in it. LSU has the honor to be called the states flagship school. LSU is becoming synonymous with the State of LA. That is why it is more rigorous to get into LSU. That is why their budget exceeds $1 billion annually. Maybe that is why it requires in your opinion more from its students. Let's not look at an isolated event with the grades scandal and plaster it over Southern. Yes there were a few individuals that chose to pay for grades and degrees, but what happen to them...that's right they were caught and stripped of their degrees. Does that sound like something a school would do if it didn't require much from its students? The basis of your argument is to find the faults instead of the accomplishments. Now let's look at you? What does it say about you that you went to Southern for a year barely went to class and still had a 3.5? I could suggest that you took introductory classes or electives that do not require much thought at all. It even suggests that you were careless enough with your intelligence not to go to class and cultivate you knowledge. Does this make you a bad person? No. But what does it say about your reasons for coming to Southern. Did you come there first because you were denied enrollment at LSU. Does it say that tuition was too high at LSU and you needed an alternative choice in education that was affordable as well as genuinely interested in your development? It says a lot.
You talk about buildings. If you were as aware as you seem to be, you would know that there is a $60 million bond agreement that has begun building and enhancing the infrastructure of the university.
How can you say that Southern is not a prestigious university? One program defines us? Okay so, what does that say about LSU, I have not heard anything about LSU on national telecast. If LSU is so prestigious, why is it not the authority on hurricane research? Why every year the predictions come from NOAA and Colorado State? If Southern was not prestigious you would not have the many respected leaders coming to visit? A former presidents, US Senators and representatives, world respected lawyers, top entertainment figures and the list could and does go on. What do they see that you don't?
Are you serious in your assertions that Southern graduates do nothing with their degrees? Look at the many US Army Generals that Southern has produced. Look at the producers and musicians that came from Southern. At IBM you will find that its Master Innovator, a black woman, graduated from that 'under achieving' university. Go to the website for Diversity in Higher Education. Southern is constantly in the top ten for producing African American degrees. What are LSU alumni doing? Oh by the way our Nursing program has one of the highest passage ratings in the state not to mention the only school in the state with a PhD program in nursing as well as a Master's in gerontology. If Southern was so incompetent, why was the School of Engineering recently awarded over $229 million as well as other programs on campus getting grants and endowments from across the nation. Have you looked into our physics program; headed by Dr. B? Yeah he is the one receiving the accolades from National Science Foundation as well as presidential honors for his work in science. (Look it up)
Yes career fair wasn't for everyone but do believe those there looking for something got it. Yes, I mean internships, co-ops and even jobs! Southern's rich foundation and tradition sets it among the top HBCU in the country. The only one with a system of more than two campuses, the only one that was ranked in the top ten for law schools by the Princeton Review. The only one that has the Naval leaders academy that trains students to become effective leaders in the Navy (no to mention that when one of the top Admiral's of the Navy was in BTR, he was at Southern, not LSU). The list could go on and on about Southern's rich culture and heritage, but I have to leave now. I could have started looking in to LSU's closet of bones, but why? Shouldn't we just want to uplift each other than say why I wouldn't go to either place? Southern has its problems, but who doesn't. LSU?
FOOD FOR THOUGHT
If it wasn't for the pioneers that founded Southern with 12 students and $10,000, or the people that fought to keep Southern open, or the opportunities that Southern has afforded countless blacks through the years....YOU WOULDN'T BE AT LSU!
Maybe you being black and going to LSU is a good thing for us.
--
~Samara
"Sometimes you just have to take the leap, and build your wings on the way down."
