Obama needs to shut up: President Mugabe is a hero!

[charlie dark]

If you accept the idea that he had 300 countrymen killed for political reasons, why do you need South Africa to condemn him before YOU do?

I don't need South Africa to do anything, I'm asking you why they haven't?
South Africa has over 3 million Zimbabwean economic migrants in their country and a Xenophobic indigenous population that has been attacking them, surley it would be in their interests for Mugabe to relinquish power international finance come back into Zimbabwe, Zimbabwe's economy pick up and then the migrants return home???? It almost sounds like a fairy tale ending doesn't it....but it hasn't happened....
So why won't South Africa condemn him???

 

[Nzinga]

I'd have to disagree here on this one, Mugabe is in his 80's , so he is partly senile, they gained independence in 1980, so they are young in the game. I do not see how subjecting the masses to some b.s just to proove a point helps anyone ..voters everywhere are the gullible (ask the GOP). Mugabe and his cronies have embezzled millions from that country...a large % of that country is in shambles..so we can tip our hats of to him for chest thumping and putting down the hammer, but who did it benefit? I would have to say they have gone back maybe 40yrs....it will be a hot minute before they become a valid nation ...the old guard has to step down. You cannot forget the past but you should not also live in the past..like them tea party folk! Now you got Obama trying to shed some light and you are beating him down, at the end of the day Mugabe is still going to fuck with the CACS and they will just pimp him and so will the Chinese, but you have Obama trying to break this shit down. It is critical times the way shit is going with this globalisation b.s, you play ball or you are counted out! Right now from the shenanigans Mugabe pulled he has taken that nation decades back, just to proove a point!

On a serious note though, how do you think that country will dig itself out from that ditch? Lets move beyond accolades and props we gave Mugabe for doing what he did ..what is in store for that nation?

FDR was in power 18 years, Kohl was in power for 19, as was Thatcher. Term limits are a highly controversial mechanism that do no give or guarantee democracy.

President Mugabe brought independence to Zimbabwe. He wanted to make sure that before he died, the freedom of the country was complete. He went to war, and the main reason was the land. The English concocted a scheme where they would try to hoodwink the African people out of their land...

Zimbabwe has the second most developed economy in Africa. It produced railway wagons, has an iron and steel industry, mines copper, gold, diamonds, platinum etc, for export, as even fed Europeans with high quality beef. There is no logical reason why the economy of Zimbabwe should be where it except that the great invisible hand has engineered a downfall, which as hoped, has turned Zimbabweans against their leader.

However, the economic hardship will come to pass. The land recovered by Mugabe is permanently African land, and never should Zimbabweans surrender it to cacs.

 

[bigvince06]

I don't think anyone doubts that people actively worked against Mugabe as he could have set a precedent that would have been horrible for the neocolonial powers still actively "pimping" Africa. That said, "the powers that be" actively worked against Castro for the same reasons and look at the situation he created in Cuba: life expectancy of 77+ years, low infant mortality rate, extremely high rate of literacy, and a gdp per capita that is not very far from Brazil (BRIC). Mugabe is not entirely to blame for the situation in his country, but to relieve him of substantial culpability I think is to turn a blind eye to the facts.

 

[charlie dark]

Is this the actions of a despot leader???

By Brian Latham
April 21 (Bloomberg) -- Zimbabwe may cancel business
licenses held by foreign-owned companies if they don’t comply
with a requirement to cede 51 percent ownership to black
Zimbabweans, Empowerment Minister Saviour Kasukuwere said.
“We have extended the deadline for submitting
indigenization plans to May 15. If companies do not comply, we
will issue them with forms to complete within 30 days, where
after they risk having their business licenses revoked,”
Kasukuwere said in a telephone interview from Harare today.
Mining companies will be among the businesses targeted
first in the effort to hand control to black Zimbabweans,
Kasukuwere said.
“The mining industry is our priority,” the minister said.
“We will soon begin discussions with stakeholders to plan
timeframes and thresholds with miners.”
Black Zimbabweans acquiring 51 percent of Zimbabwe-based
businesses would have to pay “market value” for their shares,
Kasukuwere said.
“There’s been some confusion over the word ‘cede’,” he
said. “It does not mean foreigners must give shares in their
companies for nothing.”
About 400 foreign-owned companies have submitted
empowerment plans to the government so far, Kasukuwere said. He
said he was unable to say how many companies were affected by
the law, which came into effect in March.
Under the Indigenization and Empowerment Act, foreign-owned
businesses have five years to sell 51 percent of their shares to
black Zimbabweans.
The legality of the act is disputed by Zimbabwe’s Movement
for Democratic Change, which shares power with the Zimbabwe
African National Union-Patriotic Front, the party that drafted
the law. The measure was pushed through parliament before
parliamentary elections in March 2008 in which the MDC won a
majority.

 

[Nzinga]

Mugabe has done so much to/for Zimbabwe, and I suppose it would take a Marxist creep like you Nzinga to love and know one.

According to the World Health Organization (2004), Zimbabwe has the lowest life expectancy of any nation with men living to the ripe old age of 37, and women to the age of 34.

http://www.afro.who.int/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1059&Itemid=2028

Those statistics are questionable, and they pass them around to anyone they hate. However, it should be remembered that Zimbabwe is ravaged with AIDS, and we know where that came from..

Everything you showed in that cartoon is not the fault of Mugabe,.. and if Obama is a friend of Africans, he should relieve the sanctions on them, instead of advancing the agenda of cacs, and continuing to visit inestimable hardship on Africans he claims to be kin of... If he wants to be on the right side of the ledger of history, he needs to this right away.

 

[AllState17]

I don't need South Africa to do anything, I'm asking you why they haven't?
South Africa has over 3 million Zimbabwean economic migrants in their country and a Xenophobic indigenous population that has been attacking them, surley it would be in their interests for Mugabe to relinquish power international finance come back into Zimbabwe, Zimbabwe's economy pick up and then the migrants return home???? It almost sounds like a fairy tale ending doesn't it....but it hasn't happened....
So why won't South Africa condemn him???

I do not know on what basis leaders in South Africa chose to condemn fellow African leaders or not to.

They have not condemned him nor have they voiced any support, as far as I know.

Maybe you can tell us where you are going with this.

 

[Nzinga]

You need to back such statements with FACTS! What do you mean by foreign policy ? just dumb this shit down ..people are trying to get paid and/or get off ...this so called "foreign policy" just relates to developing nations and hard head knucklehead ninjas .the rest sit at the big table....so when you say foreign policy what do mean? And lets not try to make it black or white..the name of the game is getting paid! Like the man
otherwise you are going to be sitting here talking about this shit in 10yrs or 20 yrs! So do you want to be at the big table or on the sidelines making noise.

I understand why you would want to defend whatever Obama does, since he is the first black president. However, if he is one of us, he needs to do the right thing on Zimbabwe, and he also needs to address Darfur.

 

[Nzinga]

You didn't get the memo?

America is no longer in a position to share food at the big table.

Have you ever heard of BRIC countries?

have you heard of Post-American period.

Big table?

Africa has more to offer America than America has to offer Africa.

Do not say these things, people are gonna get upset... America is finished. I was listening to Werbe's broadcast and he pointed out that either 48% or 58% of the American economy is banking, ie, it makes nothing, it is smoke and mirrors... If you make the adjustment, you might find that the real GNP of America is not much bigger than that of Japan!!!!

 

[xxxxxxxxxllllllllllllll]

I answered your question, at least answer mine before asking me more....

South Africa will not condemn Mugabe because they do not want another trade unionist removing a liberation movement from power in Southern Africa. It has already happened in Zambia. They are afraid that if Tsvangirai assumes power he would later provide safe havens and funding for Cosatu when they start to challenge the ANC's hold on power. Cosatu is South Africa's largest trade union and of late they have been growling over the ANC's conservative economic policies.It is also of paramount importance to note that Tsvangirai himself was the head of Zimbabwe's biggest trade union before he started his own political party because of disillusionment with Mugabe's policies.


South Africa has also benefited economically from Zimbabwe's economic down turn. Because of the food and fuel shortages in Zimbabwe many Zimbabweans have had to cross the border to South Africa to go and buy whatever they want. Another thing is all of Zimbabwe's skilled labor has also gone to South Africa - keep in mind Zimbabwe is Africa's most educated country.So economically there isn't a big incentive for South Africa to condemn Mugabe.

 

[Nzinga]

That's fallacy....Mugabe has done many wrong things, but none of the things listed in that cartoon......
Come on man....who do you work for the UK foreign office???

No, he is naive and believes everything that comes from the English foreign office and the British Bullshit Corporation (BBC)

 

[AllState17]

I understand why you would want to defend whatever Obama does, since he is the first black president. However, if he is one of us, he needs to do the right thing on Zimbabwe, and he also needs to address Darfur.

Why would Obama need to address Darfur?

 

[Nzinga]

Why would Obama need to address Darfur?

He does not need to, but since he wants to meddle in the affairs of Africa..But Darfur is circumstance where Arabs are killing blacks, why would Obama want to upset Arabs? He began his reign by pandering to them... Nearer to his father's home, he has said Zero about the carnage in Eastern Congo, that Bill Clinton helped to fuel, and has cost between 6 and 8 million Congolese lives...

 

[AllState17]

He does not need to, but since he wants to meddle in the affairs of Africa..But Darfur is circumstance where Arabs are killing blacks, why would Obama want to upset Arabs? He began his reign by pandering to them... Nearer to his father's home, he has said Zero about the carnage in Eastern Congo, that Bill Clinton helped to fuel, and has cost between 6 and 8 million Congolese lives...

So lets get something straight... You want the US presidents' involvement or dont you?

Cause you seem to bitch when he does say something, and then bitch when he doesnt say anything.

 

[Nzinga]

South Africa will not condemn Mugabe because they do not want another trade unionist removing a liberation movement from power in Southern Africa. It has already happened in Zambia. They are afraid that if Tsvangirai assumes power he would later provide safe havens and funding for Cosatu when they start to challenge the ANC's hold on power. Cosatu is South Africa's largest trade union and of late they have been growling over the ANC's conservative economic policies.It is also of paramount importance to note that Tsvangirai himself was the head of Zimbabwe's biggest trade union before he started his own political party because of disillusionment with Mugabe's policies.


South Africa has also benefited economically from Zimbabwe's economic down turn. Because of the food and fuel shortages in Zimbabwe many Zimbabweans have had to cross the border to South Africa to go and buy whatever they want. Another thing is all of Zimbabwe's skilled labor has also gone to South Africa - keep in mind Zimbabwe is Africa's most educated country.So economically there isn't a big incentive for South Africa to condemn Mugabe.

It is not that easy... nor is the same... Chiluba and his MMD has totally been been exposed, and it is doubtful that other than Zimbabwe, anyone will give upstartst that sort of power. No one in South Africa can look at Zambia with any sort of envy, if anything they should be thankful for not being in awful mess incepted by that devilish little Zairian pygmy, Titus Chabala Kafupi, alias Frederick Chiluba...


If anything, the ANC has more to gain in Mugabe being stopped. His example could inspire questions in South Africa, where every economic inequity in Zimbabwe is correspondly 10 times worse. In South Africa, Boers have even dared agitate for a small country of their own, to be called Orangestaad, never mind holding to disparate pieces of stolen African land...

The ANC do not condemn Mugabe because they know he is right. It is that simple.

 

[Nzinga]

So lets get something straight... You want the US presidents' involvement or dont you?

Cause you seem to bitch when he does say something, and then bitch when he doesnt say anything.

They have never helped us before; they have always interceded on the side of the racists...But Obama has been running his mouth, purporting that the Africanness of his father gives him credibility. Why he doe not realise that probity of a point of view rests on its substance, rather than on its source. Mobutu was an African, but no one would mistake him for a good man, or someone who had the interests of Africans at heart.

Obama should speak the right things or shut up completely. We have got this far without the help of the US. The Russians and the Chinese are the ones who helped to liberate us; we find it ironic that the president of a country which fought our liberation is now trying to lectures us on it.

 

[xxxxxxxxxllllllllllllll]

I took this image in March 2007 in Zimbabwe when Morgan Tsvangirai was arrested by the police for attending a political prayer meeting in a high density suburb called Highfields. They beat him badly that he had to go under multiple operations in South Africa. I was there when they brought him to court for the first time, everyone cried including some sympathizers of Robert Mugabe. He couldn't walk they had beaten him on the soles of his feet. Mugabe is evil ask any Zimbabwean ! I hate how African American who know nada about African politics try to defend this thug.

 

[bigvince06]

So lets get something straight... You want the US presidents' involvement or dont you?

Cause you seem to bitch when he does say something, and then bitch when he doesnt say anything.

I really don't get this either. After being fucked over so badly by the Brits and everyone else in the not so distant past, why the fuck do any of the African countries want anything to do with any of these countries? Further, as the US is a massive neocolonial power, I don't get why any African country would want any interaction with it ( at least publicly).

 

[charlie dark]

I do not know on what basis leaders in South Africa chose to condemn fellow African leaders or not to.

They have not condemned him nor have they voiced any support, as far as I know.

Maybe you can tell us where you are going with this.

Situation in Zimbabwe is exactly the same situation they have in South Africa.
The land and the wealth redistribution from the Europeans back to the hands of the indigenous blacks is what all the hooha has been about since it began in the late 90s early 2000s.
Since Zimbabwe's independence, this matter was promised to be resolved. But here we are in 2010 and the economic situation is scarcely different from what it was at independence.
Zimbabwe currently has vast untapped platinum and diamond deposits, all owned by foreign companies.
History will tell you that most African countries benefit very little from the mineral wealth.

So how can a South African government condemn a country that is fighting for the same thing that they want....They are allies.
Mugabe's tactics have been bullish, I personally would have tried to tread more carefully, but he is very right in his stance that the wealth of Zimbabwe belongs to Zimbabweans and anyone that is trying to take away their birth right should fought, be they the British, the Americans or even other Zimbabweans, such as Tsvangirai, who backed by the British is happy for the status quo, with regsrd to foreigners owning state assets to remain the same.
Zimbabwa's problem is that there is no real successor to Mugabe, had there been one he would have stepped down, but the successor has to be acceptable to the military and the war veterans that support and prop up the Mugabe regime.

I left South Africa 3 weeks ago after a visit and this topic is very much in the political agenda...

Aparteid has not ended at all, it is very much in existence...in both countries...in 2010!!!

 

[xxxxxxxxxllllllllllllll]

It is not that easy... nor is the same... Chiluba and his MMD has totally been been exposed, and it is doubtful that other than Zimbabwe, anyone will give upstartst that sort of power. No one in South Africa can look at Zambia with any sort of envy, if anything they should be thankful for not being in awful mess incepted by that devilish little Zairian pygmy, Titus Chabala Kafupi, alias Frederick Chiluba...


If anything, the ANC has more to gain in Mugabe being stopped. His example could inspire questions in South Africa, where every economic inequity in Zimbabwe is correspondly 10 times worse. In South Africa, Boers have even dared agitate for a small country of their own, to be called Orangestaad, never mind holding to disparate pieces of stolen African land...

The ANC do not condemn Mugabe because they know he is right. It is that simple.

The bottom line is that the ANC is afraid of trade unions assuming power in region because they know that very soon Cosatu will follow suit. In Zambia the trade unions took over and when Tsvangirai challenged Mugabe they supported him because he was a fellow trade unionist. They do not want a scenario in which Zimbabwe and Zambia both support Cosatu in their efforts to unseat the ANC from power.

 

[xxxxxxxxxllllllllllllll]

Situation in Zimbabwe is exactly the same situation they have in South Africa.
The land and the wealth redistribution from the Europeans back to the hands of the indigenous blacks is what all the hooha has been about since it began in the late 90s early 2000s.
Since Zimbabwe's independence, this matter was promised to be resolved. But here we are in 2010 and the economic situation is scarcely different from what it was at independence.
Zimbabwe currently has vast untapped platinum and diamond deposits, all owned by foreign companies.
History will tell you that most African countries benefit very little from the mineral wealth.

So how can a South African government condemn a country that is fighting for the same thing that they want....They are allies.
Mugabe's tactics have been bullish, I personally would have tried to tread more carefully, but he is very right in his stance that the wealth of Zimbabwe belongs to Zimbabweans and anyone that is trying to take away their birth right should fought, be they the British, the Americans or even other Zimbabweans, such as Tsvangirai, who backed by the British is happy for the status quo, with regsrd to foreigners owning state assets to remain the same.
Zimbabwa's problem is that there is no real successor to Mugabe, had there been one he would have stepped down, but the successor has to be acceptable to the military and the war veterans that support and prop up the Mugabe regime.

I left South Africa 3 weeks ago after a visit and this topic is very much in the political agenda...

Aparteid has not ended at all, it is very much in existence...in both countries...in 2010!!!

Mugabe had from 1980-2000 to transfer wealth from whites to blacks but he chose not to do so. Isn't it intriguing that he decided to redistribute power when a viable opposition was formed by the trade unions ? The land reform program was a populist stunt which didn't work because most of the country was not interested in farming they wanted industrial jobs in urban centers.

 

[AllState17]

They have never helped us before; they have always interceded on the side of the racists...But Obama has been running his mouth, purporting that the Africanness of his father gives him credibility. Why he doe not realise that probity of a point of view rests on its substance, rather than on its source. Mobutu was an African, but no one would mistake him for a good man, or someone who had the interests of Africans at heart.

Obama should speak the right things or shut up completely. We have got this far without the help of the US. The Russians and the Chinese are the ones who helped to liberate us; we find it ironic that the president of a country which fought our liberation is now trying to lectures us on it.

So... he should talk... but only to say the things that YOU want him to say?

 

[Nzinga]

The bottom line is that the ANC is afraid of trade unions assuming power in region because they know that very soon Cosatu will follow suit. In Zambia the trade unions took over and when Tsvangirai challenged Mugabe they supported him because he was a fellow trade unionist. They do not want a scenario in which Zimbabwe and Zambia both support Cosatu in their efforts to unseat the ANC from power.

Zimbabwe is the only country in Africa that has a habit of taking the example of Zambia. Cosatu, while a powerful part of the umbrella that that forms the ANC, cannot take over. More likely, the ANC may splinter into rival factions that are largely Xhosa and Zulu before it is overtaken by Cosatu. Assuming the ANC wants to keep the status quo, it would rather support MDC than support Mugabe. Mugabe would represent the greatest threat to the ANC since he inspires the sort of revolutionaries like Julius Malema who ask the hard questions the ANC does not want to answer, and cannot answer.

 

[Nzinga]

So... he should talk... but only to say the things that YOU want him to say?

Read the title of the thread.

 

[malaki]

When he is dealing with people who are strident, racist, etc, like the Tea Party or the Republicans, Saudi Arabia, Darfur and Ahmedinejad, Obama pretends to be understanding and conciliatory; he says "..he has come to learn from from their wisdom...". When he deals with Africans, he is condescending and judgemental.

this is pretty much the case. when obama deals with blacks he is all criticism, in public. when he deals with whites he is heavy on the praise and conciliatory language. now why that is, is a more interesting question.

 

[charlie dark]

Mugabe had from 1980-2000 to transfer wealth from whites to blacks but he chose not to do so. Isn't it intriguing that he decided to redistribute power when a viable opposition was formed by the trade unions ? The land reform program was a populist stunt which didn't work because most of the country was not interested in farming they wanted industrial jobs in urban centers.

The industrials is what they are trying to deal with now...
Isn't even funnier that the west wants a regime change now when a few farmers got kicked off their land....sanctions, boycotts and all sorts.....Where was those calls during the Matebeland massecures??
We know Mugabe is culpable for many crimes, but to sellout the people of the land would be an even worse crime.......
HE has to do this before he goes...PERIOD, because if left to Tsvangari......Zimbabweans will never own their country!!!!

 

[Nzinga]

I don't think anyone doubts that people actively worked against Mugabe as he could have set a precedent that would have been horrible for the neocolonial powers still actively "pimping" Africa. That said, "the powers that be" actively worked against Castro for the same reasons and look at the situation he created in Cuba: life expectancy of 77+ years, low infant mortality rate, extremely high rate of literacy, and a gdp per capita that is not very far from Brazil (BRIC). Mugabe is not entirely to blame for the situation in his country, but to relieve him of substantial culpability I think is to turn a blind eye to the facts.

There is no AIDS in Cuba... and the Soviets provided $6billion of aid every where 41 years, with which Castro bolstered the medical system in Cuba...

 

[bigvince06]

Mugabe had from 1980-2000 to transfer wealth from whites to blacks but he chose not to do so. Isn't it intriguing that he decided to redistribute power when a viable opposition was formed by the trade unions ? The land reform program was a populist stunt which didn't work because most of the country was not interested in farming they wanted industrial jobs in urban centers.

I look at what Mugabe has done and then compare it to what Castro did with Cuba under very similar circumstances and it is disheartening to say that least. Look at the stats I posted in an earlier post about Cuba: life expectancy of 77+, low infant mortality, extremely high literacy rate et al... I have no personal or first hand knowledge of the situation with Mugabe but the facts are the facts: he has in no way produced for the citizens of his country.

 

[malaki]

FDR was in power 18 years, Kohl was in power for 19, as was Thatcher. Term limits are a highly controversial mechanism that do no give or guarantee democracy.

President Mugabe brought independence to Zimbabwe. He wanted to make sure that before he died, the freedom of the country was complete. He went to war, and the main reason was the land. The English concocted a scheme where they would try to hoodwink the African people out of their land...

Zimbabwe has the second most developed economy in Africa. It produced railway wagons, has an iron and steel industry, mines copper, gold, diamonds, platinum etc, for export, as even fed Europeans with high quality beef. There is no logical reason why the economy of Zimbabwe should be where it except that the great invisible hand has engineered a downfall, which as hoped, has turned Zimbabweans against their leader.

However, the economic hardship will come to pass. The land recovered by Mugabe is permanently African land, and never should Zimbabweans surrender it to cacs.

man europeans have to be deal with harshly. they don't respect native rights to land. if you don't show them there will be consequences, they will steal your country and put you on a reservation. there is no other way than to fight them. individually there are many good whites but the fact is, european nations feel they are superior to black / dark skinned nations and feel perfectly find treating the citizens of such countries like ants.

that said, mugabe is not a good guy and his failure to create a sensible transfer of power scenario has to be judged harshly. also, just because he was right on the contours of what he did doesn't mean he isn't a dictatorial thug. from what I've heard he is NOT a guy you want to live under generally. but when your nation is under constant attack from a vicious empire, THATS WHAT IT TAKES. they kill nice guys and bribe greedy guys. you have to have a hardass kicking all the imperialists out to develop. look at the Chinese, they don't let the CACs run jack shit, total control in the chinese communist party's hands.

 

[Nzinga]

Mugabe had from 1980-2000 to transfer wealth from whites to blacks but he chose not to do so. Isn't it intriguing that he decided to redistribute power when a viable opposition was formed by the trade unions ? The land reform program was a populist stunt which didn't work because most of the country was not interested in farming they wanted industrial jobs in urban centers.

Completely untrue! The Lancaster House agreement that brought independence to Zimbabwe specifically forbade such activities for the first 10 years. In that time, the white people who 3% (200 000 out of 5 million), were awarded 20% of the seats and veto power over any legislation. Also, the constitution could not be changed in those first 10 years. Then in 1997, that bugger Blair came to power and stirred the hornet's nest by issuing a letter reneging on the most important aspect of the Lancaster House Agreement: that of land.

 

[Nzinga]

I look at what Mugabe has done and then compare it to what Castro did with Cuba under very similar circumstances and it is disheartening to say that least. Look at the stats I posted in an earlier post about Cuba: life expectancy of 77+, low infant mortality, extremely high literacy rate et al... I have no personal or first hand knowledge of the situation with Mugabe but the facts are the facts: he has in no way produced for the citizens of his country.

The conditions are different. Mugabe inherited a country in which black people were not citizens and were largely illiterate (he has raised the country's literacy to number 1 in Africa); he found them undeveloped rural areas and had to extend basic infrastructure to them. Castro took over a country with a long history of education. The people lived in urban areas, where basic structures existed. For the next 31 years, the Russians supplied him $6billon a year.

Cuba as an organised country is several hundred years old. Zimbabwe got is independence 30 years ago...

 

[charlie dark]

I look at what Mugabe has done and then compare it to what Castro did with Cuba under very similar circumstances and it is disheartening to say that least. Look at the stats I posted in an earlier post about Cuba: life expectancy of 77+, low infant mortality, extremely high literacy rate et al... I have no personal or first hand knowledge of the situation with Mugabe but the facts are the facts: he has in no way produced for the citizens of his country.

What are talking about?Zimbabwe has 97 % for men and 88% for women literacy rates.
The high mortality rates are due primarily to HIV aids, which is a purge in Southern Africa. That coupled with the sanctions imposed on the country.
And if facts are facts and you have no knowledge of the situation with Mugabe, shouldn't you delete your post

 

[xxxxxxxxxllllllllllllll]

The industrials is what they are trying to deal with now...
Isn't even funnier that the west wants a regime change now when a few farmers got kicked off their land....sanctions, boycotts and all sorts.....Where was those calls during the Matebeland massecures??
We know Mugabe is culpable for many crimes, but to sellout the people of the land would be an even worse crime.......
HE has to do this before he goes...PERIOD, because if left to Tsvangari......Zimbabweans will never own their country!!!!

What he is trying to do with the industries is a populist stunt and everyone knows it.He is oriented to grabbing rather than building; his concept of economic empowerment is narrowed to the transfer of businesses owned by whites to black. What Zimbabwe needs is the creation of small to medium sized business, which prosper and grow under astute and honest management. The government should focus on creation of wealth instead of transfer of wealth. In conclusion , the government must invest in training black entrepreneurs on how to run a business with emphasis on financial management and marketing of products.


As for Tsvangirai he is not a sellout he is a popular Zimbabwean who represents the aspirations of many Zimbabweans. Mugabe has already sold the country to the Chinese. Better the devil you know

 

[petteyboy]

all jokes aside if you have so much pride and love for you country why are you here?

What do you mean "why is he here"? Why are mexicans in the united states? to take advantage of economic opportunities and send that wealth back to the mother country. mexicans remit back billions of dollars to mexico.

So it is ok for whites to go all around the world stealing and looting only to send all that wealth back to england, but you ask Nzinga "why is he here"?

Come on, son.

 

[xxxxxxxxxllllllllllllll]

Zimbabwe is the only country in Africa that has a habit of taking the example of Zambia. Cosatu, while a powerful part of the umbrella that that forms the ANC, cannot take over. More likely, the ANC may splinter into rival factions that are largely Xhosa and Zulu before it is overtaken by Cosatu. Assuming the ANC wants to keep the status quo, it would rather support MDC than support Mugabe. Mugabe would represent the greatest threat to the ANC since he inspires the sort of revolutionaries like Julius Malema who ask the hard questions the ANC does not want to answer, and cannot answer.

You aren't following internal ANC politics. Do you know who led the overthrow of Mbeki from power before his term in office was over ? One Zwelinzima Vavi led the revolution and he doesn't even have a position within the ANC

Did l mention that Zwelinzima Vavi is the secretary-general of Cosatu and he has publicly pledged allegiance to Morgan Tsvangirai and the MDC. Your half arsed musings in African politics are not based in reality and facts

 

[AllState17]

The industrials is what they are trying to deal with now...
Isn't even funnier that the west wants a regime change now when a few farmers got kicked off their land....sanctions, boycotts and all sorts.....Where was those calls during the Matebeland massecures??
We know Mugabe is culpable for many crimes, but to sellout the people of the land would be an even worse crime.......
HE has to do this before he goes...PERIOD, because if left to Tsvangari......Zimbabweans will never own their country!!!!

So you've come to the conclusion that the ends justify the means...

Sorry not to me.

Id rather he go all out, proclaim himself dictator until death, and do what he wants to do, rather then have some fake-ass elections where he violently oppresses and breaks his nation apart every couple of years.