Manny and PBF fans are going to cry in the car

exactly

nobody cared enough about this fraud ass fight to actually order it

the maywether/cotto fight numbers will crush this bullshit ass fight once the numbers are released

Boxing fans cared. The fact people are still talking about it says different. How could you not care about an 8 division champ fighting against an undefeated top 10 pound for pound fighter and say you like boxing? I mean we watch boxing after dark, nbc, and showtime fights. Who gives a fuck about boxing numbers? Do boxing fans say fuck watch Ward and Froch cause it won't do numbers. Seriously do not give that dumbass an notion he is correct. This is boxing not a marketing agency. You either like the sport or you don't. Timmy stepped in the ring with a legend. He got the win. Was it controversial? Yeah, but he got the win. And hopefully we can see if he can do it again. If you can get amped about the best boxer fight a dude that quit and had a emotional breakdown and serious lapse of judgement and call that shit a good fight. Or watch the best boxer fight a guy that looked like he almost died in the ring against Manny and Antonio and watch PBF blatantly carry him for the whole fight then you guys are nuts. I think Manny won. But I can see how Timmy might have convinced the judges to see it differently. Why discredit him when he came and fought his best. He stepped up at the end not Manny.
 
Boxing fans cared. The fact people are still talking about it says different... Who gives a fuck about boxing numbers?

This post is full of nonsense, but I had chop up these two points.

A lot of people didn't see the fight the day of the fight which is adding to the staying power of this discussion. The fight was ass and the only thing worth talking about is a decision that no one saw happening.

Numbers? Really? You are really saying that the number of people watching the fight isn't worth a fuck and you are choosing to pull that shit out when it wasn't even a good fight?

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You can compare it easy. Oscar thought he had the fight against a young dude that just kept coming. Thinking he had a big lead he coasted and gave about the later part of the fight. Tactic wise it was the same thing. Except this fight was a little closer. And I think Oscar stopped fighting a round or two earlier than Manny.

In terms of Manny and Oscars reaction to winning going into the championship rounds yes, but in terms of the actual action and dominance of the fight no... Oscar clearly dominated Tito up to the point of coasting way more than Manny did Bradley...
 
Boxing fans cared. The fact people are still talking about it says different. How could you not care about an 8 division champ fighting against an undefeated top 10 pound for pound fighter and say you like boxing? I mean we watch boxing after dark, nbc, and showtime fights. Who gives a fuck about boxing numbers? Do boxing fans say fuck watch Ward and Froch cause it won't do numbers. Seriously do not give that dumbass an notion he is correct. This is boxing not a marketing agency. You either like the sport or you don't. Timmy stepped in the ring with a legend. He got the win. Was it controversial? Yeah, but he got the win. And hopefully we can see if he can do it again. If you can get amped about the best boxer fight a dude that quit and had a emotional breakdown and serious lapse of judgement and call that shit a good fight. Or watch the best boxer fight a guy that looked like he almost died in the ring against Manny and Antonio and watch PBF blatantly carry him for the whole fight then you guys are nuts. I think Manny won. But I can see how Timmy might have convinced the judges to see it differently. Why discredit him when he came and fought his best. He stepped up at the end not Manny.

man that fight was fraud ass garbage
 
Boxing fans cared. The fact people are still talking about it says different. How could you not care about an 8 division champ fighting against an undefeated top 10 pound for pound fighter and say you like boxing? I mean we watch boxing after dark, nbc, and showtime fights. Who gives a fuck about boxing numbers? Do boxing fans say fuck watch Ward and Froch cause it won't do numbers. Seriously do not give that dumbass an notion he is correct. This is boxing not a marketing agency. You either like the sport or you don't. Timmy stepped in the ring with a legend. He got the win. Was it controversial? Yeah, but he got the win. And hopefully we can see if he can do it again. If you can get amped about the best boxer fight a dude that quit and had a emotional breakdown and serious lapse of judgement and call that shit a good fight. Or watch the best boxer fight a guy that looked like he almost died in the ring against Manny and Antonio and watch PBF blatantly carry him for the whole fight then you guys are nuts. I think Manny won. But I can see how Timmy might have convinced the judges to see it differently. Why discredit him when he came and fought his best. He stepped up at the end not Manny.


That's an easy one and you already know the answer: it wasn't seen as a challenging fight for Pacquiao so why pay 55.00 to watch it when it's going to come on HBO the next week for "free" (free outside your cable bill).
Ward/Froch will do numbers, just not ppv numbers and that looks to be a competitive fight.

You Floyd-haters, especially you, kill me tearing down his opponents. So you give props to Bradley for his performance but you actually discredit Cotto for his superior performance against a superior fighter.
Amazing.:smh:

This post is full of nonsense, but I had chop up these two points.

A lot of people didn't see the fight the day of the fight which is adding to the staying power of this discussion. The fight was ass and the only thing worth talking about is a decision that no one saw happening.

Numbers? Really? You are really saying that the number of people watching the fight isn't worth a fuck and you are choosing to pull that shit out when it wasn't even a good fight?

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That's exactly why we're still talking about it. If Manny had gotten the decision, this would have one thread and it would have been full of "When's he going to fight Mayweather?" shit, as usual.

How is a fight that everybody is talking garbage? Lmao, but if you think so then you do.

Everyone isn't talking about the fight, they're talking about the decision, which many feel was wrong (I don't because I haven't seen it).
 
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/boxing--pacquiao-bradley-arum-controvery-investigation-judge-duane-ford-.html

LAS VEGAS – Promoter Bob Arum was still fuming about the split-decision verdict that went against Manny Pacquiao on Saturday and said there would be no rematch with Timothy Bradley unless Nevada attorney general Catherine Cortez Masto launches an investigation.

Bradley, a 4-1 underdog, upset Pacquiao in one of the most controversial outcomes in years to take the World Boxing Organization welterweight title.

All three judges scored it 115-113, with Duane Ford and C.J. Ross seeing it in favor of Bradley and Jerry Roth siding with Pacquiao.

The rematch that Bradley thought he would get may be on hold, at least for a while, however. Arum, whose company promotes both fighters, said his feeling that Pacquiao had won a wide decision had not changed a day later.

Timothy Bradley celebrates after beating Manny Pacquiao by split decision. (AP)

But because of the outcry among the fans and media, many of whom accused Arum of somehow rigging the outcome, the veteran promoter said he would demand an investigation.




"I want to investigate whether there was any undue influence, whether the [Nevada Athletic Commission] gave any particular instruction and how they came to this conclusion," said Arum, who at the post-fight news conference was adamant the result was a mistake but not the result of any chicanery. "But the whole sport is in an uproar. People are going crazy.

"If this was a subjective view that each of [the judges] honestly held, OK. I would still disagree, but then we're off the hook in terms of there being no conspiracy. But there needs to be an independent investigation because it strains credulity that an event everybody saw as so one-sided one way all three judges saw it as close. It strains credulity."


Ford spoke by telephone to Yahoo! Sports on Sunday. He said the criticism is a part of the job he accepts, but said those criticizing the outcome are almost certainly not familiar with the way fights are judged.

"If this were 'American Idol', without a doubt, Manny Pacquiao would have won," Ford said. "But it was not. I gave an honest opinion. I had Pacquiao up 4-2, I think, at the end of six rounds. I thought he hurt Bradley a couple of times early in the fight. But when the bell rang to end that round, it was over and what happens in one round doesn't carry over to the next round. They're separate units.

"In the second half of the fight, Pacquiao picked off a lot of punches to the head, but Bradley landed some hard body shots. That hurt Pacquiao. I don't mean it hurt him in the sense of it physically hurting him, but in terms of scoring and piling up points. Bradley did an excellent job standing his ground as a boxer. Remember, it's a boxing match and Bradley demonstrated his ability to box expertly."
Bradley has been harshly criticized by many who believe Pacquiao won, but the fact that Bradley won the fight with two badly injured feet should say something about his tenacity.

And the bout might suggest that Pacquiao is declining more than previously thought. If he had trouble with a fighter who had two injured feet and needed a wheelchair to attend the post-fight news conference, how difficult would it have been for him had his opponent been completely mobile?


Bradley injured his left foot in the second round when he pivoted. His manager, Cameron Dunkin, said an examination late Saturday revealed torn ligaments that will keep him off it for several weeks to a month.

He said the X-ray did not show a fracture, but doctors ordered an MRI on Monday in Palm Springs, Calif.

"They said that just because the X-ray did not show a fracture didn't mean there isn't one," Dunkin said. "He has a lot of pain on the top of the foot and there are 700 bones in there. Some of them are so small. The doctor said the only way to tell if there is a fracture is to do an MRI."

He said there was no serious injury to the right foot, which was far more swollen than the left.

"The right was just kind of rolled and it was basically a twisted foot that was pretty swollen," Dunkin said.


Dunkin also said he was fine if Arum chose not to arrange a rematch. He said Top Rank promotes Bradley and owes him a fight. If it chose not to make a rematch with Pacquiao, it would have to book a different fight for Bradley.

Juan Manuel Marquez, who lost a controversial decision to Pacquiao on Nov. 12 in the same arena, was in attendance Saturday, Top Rank president Todd duBoef said, because the company was planning to make Pacquiao-Marquez IV in the event of a Pacquiao win.

That changed in light of the outcome, and Pacquiao said he wanted a rematch. Ultimately, Arum will likely accede to Pacquiao's wishes.

Pacquiao's next fight almost certainly will not be in Las Vegas after the uproar over Saturday's fight. Ford, though, said it is unfair for those who don't know the scoring criteria and who weren't focusing intently on the fight to bash the judges.

"In pro boxing, you look for damage, and if the punches are equal and the damage is equal, you are looking for effective aggression, and that does not necessarily mean the guy going forward," Ford said. "Effective aggression can be a guy going back. And then you look at ring generalship, and that's all about control.

"When you score a fight of that magnitude, you know the criticism comes with the job. But unless you are totally focused on that scoring zone for three minutes, it's impossible to score the fight correctly. I know you can't do it talking into a microphone. It was a close fight in my mind that could have gone either way. The result was nothing more than three judges giving an honest opinion, and nothing other than that."

Arum told media at ringside that Dunkin had scored it 116-112 for Pacquiao, but Dunkin angrily denied that Sunday. Dunkin said he had it 115-113 in favor of Bradley.

He said he understands the uproar, but said most of it is because of Pacquiao's huge popularity.

"If they're fighting on a street and we're just scoring the fight, the whole fight, I can see you thinking maybe Pacquiao won it," Dunkin said. "But when you score it round by round, I think it's very reasonable to believe Bradley won."
 
Why are you trying to pull us into your misery. Floyd does not and did not need or depend on Pacquiao. In his last fight, Floyd was guaranteed $35 million, a share of everything sold in the arena, and a generous share of the pay-per-view; he paid Cotto $8 million + pay per view. In this fight, Pacquiao and Bradley were guaranteed $5 million each, with Pacquiao getting some of the pay per view to a potential total of $20 mil...Do you think that Floyd needs Pacquiao??? Your misery was yours alone...I thought it was a bullsit decision even though I hate Pacquiao and like Bradley


Never understoond all these "who needs Manny or who needs Floyd" arguments. The bottom line is ANY fighter who can make $20MM or more a fight doesn't need ANYONE. True or False? But in order for either fighter to make damn near $80-$100MM it's a FACT that they need each other to see that KIND OF MONEY for one fight. No one else can do that.....
 
Lol

Beatdown kept tellin y'all niggas manny ain't want no problems wit Floyd

Packman is done



What kind of crazy logic is that....:lol: This little dude can earn $15MM plus fighting nobody. Man I don't understand the logic sometimes. It's like a millionaire rapper telling another millionaire rapper he's better. Bravado is one thing. Crazy talk is another. You finished?! At a rich fuck? Doesn't make sense.
 
http://sports.yahoo.com/news/boxing--pacquiao-bradley-arum-controvery-investigation-judge-duane-ford-.html

LAS VEGAS – Promoter Bob Arum was still fuming about the split-decision verdict that went against Manny Pacquiao on Saturday and said there would be no rematch with Timothy Bradley unless Nevada attorney general Catherine Cortez Masto launches an investigation.

Bradley, a 4-1 underdog, upset Pacquiao in one of the most controversial outcomes in years to take the World Boxing Organization welterweight title.

All three judges scored it 115-113, with Duane Ford and C.J. Ross seeing it in favor of Bradley and Jerry Roth siding with Pacquiao.

The rematch that Bradley thought he would get may be on hold, at least for a while, however. Arum, whose company promotes both fighters, said his feeling that Pacquiao had won a wide decision had not changed a day later.

Timothy Bradley celebrates after beating Manny Pacquiao by split decision. (AP)

But because of the outcry among the fans and media, many of whom accused Arum of somehow rigging the outcome, the veteran promoter said he would demand an investigation.




"I want to investigate whether there was any undue influence, whether the [Nevada Athletic Commission] gave any particular instruction and how they came to this conclusion," said Arum, who at the post-fight news conference was adamant the result was a mistake but not the result of any chicanery. "But the whole sport is in an uproar. People are going crazy.

"If this was a subjective view that each of [the judges] honestly held, OK. I would still disagree, but then we're off the hook in terms of there being no conspiracy. But there needs to be an independent investigation because it strains credulity that an event everybody saw as so one-sided one way all three judges saw it as close. It strains credulity."


Ford spoke by telephone to Yahoo! Sports on Sunday. He said the criticism is a part of the job he accepts, but said those criticizing the outcome are almost certainly not familiar with the way fights are judged.

"If this were 'American Idol', without a doubt, Manny Pacquiao would have won," Ford said. "But it was not. I gave an honest opinion. I had Pacquiao up 4-2, I think, at the end of six rounds. I thought he hurt Bradley a couple of times early in the fight. But when the bell rang to end that round, it was over and what happens in one round doesn't carry over to the next round. They're separate units.

"In the second half of the fight, Pacquiao picked off a lot of punches to the head, but Bradley landed some hard body shots. That hurt Pacquiao. I don't mean it hurt him in the sense of it physically hurting him, but in terms of scoring and piling up points. Bradley did an excellent job standing his ground as a boxer. Remember, it's a boxing match and Bradley demonstrated his ability to box expertly."
Bradley has been harshly criticized by many who believe Pacquiao won, but the fact that Bradley won the fight with two badly injured feet should say something about his tenacity.

And the bout might suggest that Pacquiao is declining more than previously thought. If he had trouble with a fighter who had two injured feet and needed a wheelchair to attend the post-fight news conference, how difficult would it have been for him had his opponent been completely mobile?


Bradley injured his left foot in the second round when he pivoted. His manager, Cameron Dunkin, said an examination late Saturday revealed torn ligaments that will keep him off it for several weeks to a month.

He said the X-ray did not show a fracture, but doctors ordered an MRI on Monday in Palm Springs, Calif.

"They said that just because the X-ray did not show a fracture didn't mean there isn't one," Dunkin said. "He has a lot of pain on the top of the foot and there are 700 bones in there. Some of them are so small. The doctor said the only way to tell if there is a fracture is to do an MRI."

He said there was no serious injury to the right foot, which was far more swollen than the left.

"The right was just kind of rolled and it was basically a twisted foot that was pretty swollen," Dunkin said.


Dunkin also said he was fine if Arum chose not to arrange a rematch. He said Top Rank promotes Bradley and owes him a fight. If it chose not to make a rematch with Pacquiao, it would have to book a different fight for Bradley.

Juan Manuel Marquez, who lost a controversial decision to Pacquiao on Nov. 12 in the same arena, was in attendance Saturday, Top Rank president Todd duBoef said, because the company was planning to make Pacquiao-Marquez IV in the event of a Pacquiao win.

That changed in light of the outcome, and Pacquiao said he wanted a rematch. Ultimately, Arum will likely accede to Pacquiao's wishes.

Pacquiao's next fight almost certainly will not be in Las Vegas after the uproar over Saturday's fight. Ford, though, said it is unfair for those who don't know the scoring criteria and who weren't focusing intently on the fight to bash the judges.

"In pro boxing, you look for damage, and if the punches are equal and the damage is equal, you are looking for effective aggression, and that does not necessarily mean the guy going forward," Ford said. "Effective aggression can be a guy going back. And then you look at ring generalship, and that's all about control.

"When you score a fight of that magnitude, you know the criticism comes with the job. But unless you are totally focused on that scoring zone for three minutes, it's impossible to score the fight correctly. I know you can't do it talking into a microphone. It was a close fight in my mind that could have gone either way. The result was nothing more than three judges giving an honest opinion, and nothing other than that."

Arum told media at ringside that Dunkin had scored it 116-112 for Pacquiao, but Dunkin angrily denied that Sunday. Dunkin said he had it 115-113 in favor of Bradley.

He said he understands the uproar, but said most of it is because of Pacquiao's huge popularity.

"If they're fighting on a street and we're just scoring the fight, the whole fight, I can see you thinking maybe Pacquiao won it," Dunkin said. "But when you score it round by round, I think it's very reasonable to believe Bradley won."

Interesting hearing the judge talk about scoring.
 
Man I wish I was in Vegas to bet on this fight.. I had Bradley winning

If I had put $1500 how much would I have won?

Vegas lost their shirt on that fight
 
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