Man gets pushed to his death in the subway of NY - that's only part of the outrage

Re: Man gets pushed to his death in the subway of NY - that's only part of the outrag

it really does make sense that a person that could take that shot works in some fashion for Rupert Murdoch...

photographer - managing editor - publisher - :smh:

Truth.

If there's a story with 2 Black witnesses, one in a suit, the other wearing saggy pants, the Post WILL ALWAYS CHOSE the saggy pants guy and even put his pic alongside the story.

I'm pretty sure that this isn't what Alexander Hamilton had in mind when he started that paper.
 
Re: Man gets pushed to his death in the subway of NY - that's only part of the outrag

Man.

This story has pissed me off all day.
As busy as that 48th and 7th Ave. station is 24/7,
It's fucking Tourist Central past the Times Square station.
Especially around 12PM.
NO ONE even tried to help pull this Dude off the tracks.

And here we have it...
One of the MOST FUCKIN' LAMEST excuses of all time...

"Photographer tried to use the flash on his camera to warn the conductor."

FUCKIN' REALLY???
 
Re: Man gets pushed to his death in the subway of NY - that's only part of the outrag

First .. until you're in the situation, you don't know how you're going to react.

Second, not everybody is built to react, some people freeze.

R.I.P.

Being from NYC, i'm surprised this doesn't happen more often.

There was a brother who saved a white guy's life by jumping on the tracks recently, remember? Not everybody can man up and be a soldier like that. People panic and forget what they're supposed to do. If I were in that situation, I'd like to think that I'd get down in the corner and let the train pass by (after I shit my pants from the fear, naturally).
 
So I guess im the only one that read that the victim's family said he was drunk? BOTH of them werent in their right minds

Now try reasoning or helping a belligerent :smh:

And that 'subway superman' dude wasn't that bright either. And those p.r. people that helped him ended up jerking him :smh:

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Re: Man gets pushed to his death in the subway of NY - that's only part of the outrag

That train looks about 20 feet away from the guy and it's barreling towards him. No way that photographer gets to him in time. And that's not even to mention the guy could have panicked and pulled the photographer down with him. It's not like no one was trying to help the guy. The article said, "Bystanders frantically waved and yelled, trying to halt the oncoming Q train from hitting Han, but their attempts proved futile."

Also the photographer "happened to be on the platform and captured the moment just before Han's death". Dude said he was flashing his camera at the conductor while everyone else was flagging the conductor down. I would assume the reason none of them tried to pull him up is because the train was coming too fast. The outrage should be targeted at the lunatic who pushed the guy. Not at the people who chose self-preservation over a likely tragic heroic bid.



pretty much
and like somebody else in here said dude could saved himself
 
Re: Man gets pushed to his death in the subway of NY - that's only part of the outrag

there is room under the platform where he is standing
there is room between the opposite tracks
there is room under the train
This is the type of thing you have to be mentally prepared for and just react.

This is something EVERY New Yorker is taught and shown from a small age

That is what the fuck I thought...but dude is an immigrant and was drunk.


Also, I thought you got electrocuted on the third rail?


What's the rules for MARTA in Atlanta...well...fuck it...niggas here would rather just ride a damn bicycle! :lol:
 
Re: Man gets pushed to his death in the subway of NY - that's only part of the outrag

What else could he do, stop the train? :dunno:



He COULD have told him to perch under the platform.


The EDGE of the platform IS a shelf that extends a couple of feet out.


I HATE these stories because 90% of these deaths could be prevented IF the MTA INFORMS folks that there is AMPLE space RIGHT BENEATH the edge of the platform, that people can rest until the train moves.




Maybe it's not so much about the guy with the camera (even though I believe he could've helped pul dude UP), as much as it is the MALFEASANCE on behalf of the MTA for not BROADCASTING this crucial piece of info. Especially because it can save LIVES.


JG
 
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there is room under the platform where he is standing
there is room between the opposite tracks
there is room under the train
This is the type of thing you have to be mentally prepared for and just react.

Not everywhere. In fact, very few places is there room under plat or train. And not many have presence of mind to cross to opposite side of tracks. It ain't no sidewalk, there's all kinds of shit down there that'll trip you up. You don't know what you're talking about.

As for the idiot who "flashed" the "conductor"; the train operator drives the train, not the conductor. And flashing a camera in his/her eyes only blinds them. Now how they gonna see the guy in the tracks?

People who don't know shit should keep their mouths shut and their hands in their pockets.
 
Re: Man gets pushed to his death in the subway of NY - that's only part of the outrag

He COULD have told him to perch under the platform.


The EDGE of the platform IS a shelf that extends a couple of feet out.


I HATE these stories because 90% of these deaths could be prevented IF the MTA INFORMS folks that there is AMPLE space RIGHT BENEATH the edge of the platform, that people can rest until the train moves.




Maybe it's not so much about the guy with the camera (even though I believe he could've helped pul dude UP), as much as it is the MALFEASANCE on behalf of the MTA for not BROADCASTING this crucial piece of info. Especially because it can save LIVES.


JG

This is bullshit. You've never seen what the bottom half of a train looks like. There's all kinds of shit that is under the floor of a train, most of it sticks out or hangs low, so all this "hide here" is pure crap.
 
Re: Man gets pushed to his death in the subway of NY - that's only part of the outrag

Subway rules of engagement.

1. Mind your business.

2. Mind who's around you.

3. Stay away from the edge until your train comes.

either way RIP :smh:

:yes::yes:

For some reason the guy stood there and chose to argue with him and thats a big no no at the platform edge
 
Re: Man gets pushed to his death in the subway of NY - that's only part of the outrag

This is something EVERY New Yorker is taught and shown from a small age

Wrong.

Look - as a NY'er - and subway rider, and amateur photographer, my first reaction wouldn't have been to take that shot...

"Turns out the photographer did try to help, but couldn't lift the guy so he ran toward the train flashing his camera lights to flag down the conductor. He just happened to get the shot of the train about to hit the guy, because he was already taking pictures for a different project "

cmon son -thats bullshit - photog took the shot with the train +30 feet away.... when did he try to lift the man? also dude wasn't flashing the operator, he had his camera on full bursts, that's the only way he has shutter aperture and iso right enough on the fly to get this shot with the train not going soft or having any blur... especially with the typical poor lighting of the subway - he said that bs to make it seem he wasn't taking shots the whole time... the photographer didn't give a fuck, hope he enjoys his $$$

Triggering your flash only blinds the driver. Think of driving when somebody comes at you with high beams on. How ya gonna see the guy?


Right here!

Or hold on to the wall, by the 3rd rail.

Wrong. You can never tell which side the third rail is on. Lots of times it's under the platform. Whatcha gonna do then?

Y'all supposed to be New Yorkers who ride the subway? You sound like some country-ass mutha fuckas. Skyscrapers and everything...
 
Re: Man gets pushed to his death in the subway of NY - that's only part of the outrag

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You gotta be a weak ass mathafucka if you can't pull a little Asian guy up
 
You gotta be a weak ass mathafucka if you can't pull a little Asian guy up

Two cultures here at play: the stoic New Yorker and the impatient Korean...Native Koreans tend to stand near the edge of platforms and elevator doors in a tense hurry. I need not explain New Yorkets.

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Two cultures here at play: the stoic New Yorker and the impatient Korean...Native Koreans tend to stand near the edge of platforms and elevator doors in a tense hurry. I need not explain New Yorkets.

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...come on, oolong........those stereotypes have nothing to do with the story: A push is a push is a push, no matter what race you are, anyone can get pushed.....
 
...come on, oolong........those stereotypes have nothing to do with the story: A push is a push is a push, no matter what race you are, anyone can get pushed.....

I wasnt prattling on about the push, although that shit is common in NYC also. Im concerned with the attitudes. However, the drunkenness is a factor I overlooked.

Some posters here that was a movie scene: there are no quick solving, think fast solutions here. People freeze up in real time unless were trained to handle it.
 
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lying mother fucker...
his first story was he had fired off the flash repeatedly to get the operators attention (pro flashes can strobe repeatedly -easily using one button independent of the camera)

now his story is he ran and shot repeatedly, not realizing he was capturing... making bullshit excuses about camera settings for outdoors and 1/64 flash settings? there is no way his aperture would be dialed in to get such a sharp picture of a train entering the station if he was using outdoor settings. motherfuck this dude...

if he's telling the truth he should share the exif data from the camera on one of the raw or jpeg files...
 
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I wasnt prattling on about the push, although that shit is common in NYC also. Im concerned with the attitudes. However, the drunkenness is a factor I overlooked.

Some posters here that was a movie scene: there are no quick solving, think fast solutions here. People freeze up in real time unless were trained to handle it.

ooook, fam....
 
Re: Man gets pushed to his death in the subway of NY - that's only part of the outrag

there is room under the platform where he is standing
there is room between the opposite tracks
there is room under the train
This is the type of thing you have to be mentally prepared for and just react.

Dude just panicked. In high school we would walk the tunnels to the next station, and when the train would approach, we could go into these crescent shaped cutouts in the wall.
 
ooook, fam....

Were you expecting someone to suddenly save the day? Like they saved those suicide victims who kill themselves in the same fashion? Why dont you place a dummy on that edge and see how quickly you rescue it.

Think it out. Its a touchy situation but Im not debating emotionally here. That photographer was quick enough to pull out and shoot a pic. Its easy to play armchair activist here. Besides, apart from the sensationalism here, this is but another tragedy in New York. Im more torn over the Long Island mom who lost her babes to the hurricane. No photos at the ready.

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Re: Man gets pushed to his death in the subway of NY - that's only part of the outrag

This is bullshit. You've never seen what the bottom half of a train looks like.



Really?! YOU NEED TO SHUT THE FUCK UP WITH YOUR IGNORANCE!


I said what I said BECAUSE I KNOW. Don't be an jackass. By calling BULLSHIT on what I said, your ass is giving folks in FUTURE accidents a reason to SECOND GUESS a RELIABLE and LIFE SAVING piece of info.



I'm VERY familiar with ELEVATED AND SUBWAY train systems, BOTH in New York AND Chicago. . . and have been ON the tracks and THROUGH the subway tunnels as a former graffiti artist since 1986. Ask ANY track worker. Either stoop beneath the edge or lay on your side. It's FILTHY but you'll LIVE/SURVIVE.




HERE THIS PEOPLE
THERE IS PROTECTIVE SPACE UNDERNEATH THE EDGE OF ALL PLATFORMS . . . ALL OF THEM!

Take a GOOD look for yourselves next time you're riding the train. The average size person CAN fit safely, until the train passes or until rescue is on the scene.


It's fucking sad this guy died unnecessarily. I'm disgusted at the folks on the platform. But the MTA shoulders the bulk of the blame.

JG
 
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Really?! YOU NEED TO SHUT THE FUCK UP WITH YOUR IGNORANCE!


I said what I said BECAUSE I KNOW. Don't be an jackass. By calling BULLSHIT on what I said, your ass is giving folks in FUTURE accidents a reason to SECOND GUESS a RELIABLE and LIFE SAVING piece of info.



I'm VERY familiar with ELEVATED AND SUBWAY train systems, BOTH in New York AND Chicago. . . and have been ON the tracks and THROUGH the subway tunnels as a former graffiti artist since 1986. Ask ANY track worker. Either stoop beneath the edge or lay on your side. It's FILTHY but you'll LIVE/SURVIVE.




HERE THIS PEOPLE
THERE IS PROTECTIVE SPACE UNDERNEATH THE EDGE OF ALL PLATFORMS . . . ALL OF THEM!

Take a GOOD look for yourselves next time you're riding the train. The average size person CAN fit safely, until the train passes or until rescue is on the scene.


It's fucking sad this guy died unnecessarily. I'm disgusted at the folks on the platform. But the MTA shoulders the bulk of the blame.

JG

I can cosign your post. There's space under the platform, space in the tunnels, and space in between the tunnel's support beams.
 
I can cosign your post. There's space under the platform, space in the tunnels, and space in between the tunnel's support beams.

Seriously, unless NYers are trained on how to confront those encounters, Im with the shook drunkard with seconds to react, not think. I would have froze. No denying that. I hate the photographer not for instinctively taking the photo, but for possibly selling that fucker for a few bucks.

And yeah, the pusher roast in hell
 
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Seriously, unless NYers are trained on how to confront those encounters, Im with the shook drunkard with seconds to react, not think. I would have froze. No denying that. I hate the photographer not for instinctively taking the photo, but for possibly selling that fucker for a few bucks.

And yeah, the pusher roast in hell

I understand, but I was used to being in the tracks and tunnels during high school doing graffiti and smoking. This is one of those situations where it's just good to know about something you never think you will encounter.
 
I understand, but I was used to being in the tracks and tunnels during high school doing graffiti and smoking. This is one of those situations where it's just good to know about something you never think you will encounter.

See, you would be an exception, depending on how often....you know the rest. I dont want to label the OP as sheltered but me not being from the rotten apple witnessed a killing in the same spot i crossed barely an hour later and a pickpocket slowly and gingerly preying on a sleeping patrons wallet at port authority. Approached by two hustlers, one male, one female on 42nd afterwards. And i dont know jack shit bout that area cept locals are extremely apprehensive towards strangers. Not my bag but Sinatra knows best.
 
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Not an exception

Most all New Yorkers know about the space under the platform and between the tracks
You will see workers step between the tracks all the time when a train comes in the station

Everyone should know this, BUT some people are oblivious to the most simple and commonly known stuff
 
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They better not give dude anything more than manslaughter. Dude is clearly shown telling the victim to get the fuck up out his face.

I hate to say it but he should have left dude the hell alone and we wouldn't be talking about this mess.:smh::smh::smh:
 
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lying mother fucker...
his first story was he had fired off the flash repeatedly to get the operators attention (pro flashes can strobe repeatedly -easily using one button independent of the camera)

now his story is he ran and shot repeatedly, not realizing he was capturing... making bullshit excuses about camera settings for outdoors and 1/64 flash settings? there is no way his aperture would be dialed in to get such a sharp picture of a train entering the station if he was using outdoor settings. motherfuck this dude...

if he's telling the truth he should share the exif data from the camera on one of the raw or jpeg files...

Just as I thought............fucking mindset to see how you going to come up on someone's tragedy..........:smh::smh:
 
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The cover photograph in question is NOT a prepared professional shot. He's shooting with what looks like a short fast lens. Clearly the picture was shot with a non-diffused flash mounted on his camera which briefly provided enough light to get off a clear shot under dim circumstances. The only thing that appears remotely professional about that shot is the composition or placement of the primary elements (train and struggling man). However, the image was obviously cropped (and likely further edited) to provide optimal composition for the cover. Furthermore, his being a professional photog, if he was shooting digitally, he was likely shooting either RAW mode or RAW+jpeg. Which means, issues of incorrect white balance and exposure could be corrected in post-processing (Adobe Camera Raw, Lightroom or Aperture)by running the files through a RAW editor of some kind.

Aperture setting is of no relevance here. He easily could have come off the street and gotten that shot with little to no prep. Again, it's not a professionally prepared shot. If the guy already had his cam out, I'm gonna assume that either he was shooting above ground, just previously or he was already snapping some pics in the subway.

The angle of the shot is consistent with his leaning forward and "flashing" the conductor like he said he did.

It's possible that the events did not happen the way the photographer said they did, but there's nothing in the photograph itself that contradicts his story.
 
Re: Man gets pushed to his death in the subway of NY - that's only part of the outrag

Really?! YOU NEED TO SHUT THE FUCK UP WITH YOUR IGNORANCE!


I said what I said BECAUSE I KNOW. Don't be an jackass. By calling BULLSHIT on what I said, your ass is giving folks in FUTURE accidents a reason to SECOND GUESS a RELIABLE and LIFE SAVING piece of info.



I'm VERY familiar with ELEVATED AND SUBWAY train systems, BOTH in New York AND Chicago. . . and have been ON the tracks and THROUGH the subway tunnels as a former graffiti artist since 1986. Ask ANY track worker. Either stoop beneath the edge or lay on your side. It's FILTHY but you'll LIVE/SURVIVE.




HERE THIS PEOPLE
THERE IS PROTECTIVE SPACE UNDERNEATH THE EDGE OF ALL PLATFORMS . . . ALL OF THEM!

Take a GOOD look for yourselves next time you're riding the train. The average size person CAN fit safely, until the train passes or until rescue is on the scene.


It's fucking sad this guy died unnecessarily. I'm disgusted at the folks on the platform. But the MTA shoulders the bulk of the blame.

JG

The reason why transit CANNOT post this is because those spaces ARE NOT uniform, while they may hold true for a majority of the stations, THEY DO NOT HOLD TRUE FOR ALL!!!

And then there ars intangibles such, as mentioned above, @ some stations the third rail does indeed run underneath the platform, in other cases, if the platform is along ANY sort of turn parts of the train may go underneath the platform, and don't forget, there is a piece of equipment called the "shoe", this is where power from the 3rd rail enters the train, understand quite clearly that if one shoe is energized, THEY ARE ALL ENERGIZED!!!

And as far as having the train go over you again it depends on the station, some stations have split ties and a cutout trackbed which you can indeed lie in, others have full track ties in which case THERE IS NO ROOM FOR THE TRAIN TO PASS OVER YOU!!!

I have no doubt that this guy's problem was being drunk, until you are ABSOLUTELY SURE that there is no train coming he could've stayed in the area between the tracks in between the girders.

Also, someone else noted the cutouts, they too ARE NOT OF UNIFORM SIZE throughout the system, I hate to point this out but several people, MAINLY TRANSIT WORKERS, have been killed thinking that a particular cutout was safe.

Of course if there's one close that's where you go, but DO NOT EVEN BREATH until the train passes.

I myself have worked as a contractor for years in the subway system, and my Dad worked for almost 40 years in maintenance, retiring as a supervisor for all 5 boros, in that position he was ALWAYS amongst the first to receive emergency calls to come in upon any track related deaths, and yearly there are quite a few!

Peeps forget that even though it is just one system now, when it was built there were several different companies, and even within those companies stretches were built @ different times and with little governmental oversight since they were private companies, this is why in some areas everything is uniform, but in some they are not!
 
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The cover photograph in question is NOT a prepared professional shot. He's shooting with what looks like a short fast lens. Clearly the picture was shot with a non-diffused flash mounted on his camera which briefly provided enough light to get off a clear shot under dim circumstances. The only thing that appears remotely professional about that shot is the composition or placement of the primary elements (train and struggling man). However, the image was obviously cropped (and likely further edited) to provide optimal composition for the cover. Furthermore, his being a professional photog, if he was shooting digitally, he was likely shooting either RAW mode or RAW+jpeg. Which means, issues of incorrect white balance and exposure could be corrected in post-processing (Adobe Camera Raw, Lightroom or Aperture)by running the files through a RAW editor of some kind.

Aperture setting is of no relevance here. He easily could have come off the street and gotten that shot with little to no prep. Again, it's not a professionally prepared shot. If the guy already had his cam out, I'm gonna assume that either he was shooting above ground, just previously or he was already snapping some pics in the subway.

The angle of the shot is consistent with his leaning forward and "flashing" the conductor like he said he did.

It's possible that the events did not happen the way the photographer said they did, but there's nothing in the photograph itself that contradicts his story.

this tells me you have little experience shooting moving objects in low light... never mind rapidly moving objects in uneven lighting conditions.

dude - I don't care if this was a 20mm or 35mm 1.4 set at f/2.0 - f/2.8, there is noway that asshole was moving toward an approaching train moving at 20 - 30mph or 25 to 36 feet per second -with lets say photog approaching at a generously slow 3 or 4 feet per second -getting a sharp image of the train at that angle (first car moving diagonally across his frame) -on the fly - without the camera settings being changed from outdoors.

looking at the "untouched" photo the Post floated... the train and end of station was not lit well, but the train is still sharp, no blur or softness - funny that with outdoor settings on the camera... he got the same results he would have gotten if he used the camera's auto setting for action / rapid shooting...
 
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How can we argue with anyone who says what they would have done? That is their belief based on their character. They may honestly want to react the way they describe, but reality(as we all know) has a way of changing our minds. And why is the photographer the "bad guy" and little is being said about the man who did the pushing?
 
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this tells me you have little experience shooting moving objects in low light... never mind rapidly moving objects in uneven lighting conditions.

dude - I don't care if this was a 20mm or 35mm 1.4 set at f/2.0 - f/2.8, there is noway that asshole was moving toward an approaching train moving at 20 - 30mph or 25 to 36 feet per second -with lets say photog approaching at a generously slow 3 or 4 feet per second -getting a sharp image of the train at that angle (first car moving diagonally across his frame) -on the fly - without the camera settings being changed from outdoors.

looking at the "untouched" photo the Post floated... the train and end of station was not lit well, but the train is still sharp, no blur or softness - funny that with outdoor settings on the camera... he got the same results he would have gotten if he used the camera's auto setting for action / rapid shooting...
I see your points. Since I read the original story, I learned that the incident took place at about 12:30 PM, meaning it was daytime outside. Therefore, the lighting conditions would be very different than those in the subway. So, I do see how you might have come to see things as you do.

Three things:
Neither you or I were there, so we don't know whether the man was running continuously during those 22 seconds before impact, or whether he'd fun a few steps, stop, move a few more steps, stop etc. All we know is the photographer said when he saw the man fall onto the tracks he "started to run". Secondly, you neglected to mention that Abbasi said he used his flash to signal the conductor. If it was the same flash mounted on the camera in the picture of him, that would explain the clarity of the picture he captured. Thirdly, no one said that image was published "untouched". Clearly that's not the case, given that it was obviously cropped to fit the page. What we see IS a clear image, but it's not one professionally shot with prep. Looking at the amount of grain and that ugly flash sheen all over it, I would figure that in addition to the crop that was done, at the very least, the white balance and exposure were adjusted in a RAW editor, and it was possibly run through some noise reduction to boot. The remaining visible grain in the pics indicates to my eyes that a fair amount of exposure adjustment took place after the fact.

I hear your point about composition, but I stand by my original point regarding cropping affecting composition and my point regarding and where the man would be standing and what direction his camera would be pointing in if he was truly trying to signal the conductor with his flash.

In summary, he could be telling the truth, he may lying or it is also possible that he may not remember every detail exactly as they occurred, given the excitement and shocking nature of the events. My only bone is that I don't think there is enough photography-related evidence to conclude that the guy's account was total bullshit.

How can we argue with anyone who says what they would have done? That is their belief based on their character. They may honestly want to react the way they describe, but reality(as we all know) has a way of changing our minds. And why is the photographer the "bad guy" and little is being said about the man who did the pushing?
That's right. The photographer wasn't the one that pushed the victim onto the track.
 
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Ya'll talkin alotta shoulda woulda couldas. None of you would have done SHIT and you know it. I know I damn sure wouldn't have. Don't know about you, but common sense tells me don't get involved with with arguin niggas and multi-ton moving objects. The man said leave him alone, even said "please". I mean, case closed.
 
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