Kim Jong-un & Trump arrives in Singapore for Summit....there was talks for a 2nd summit 0h boi
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Trump Arrives in Singapore to See If North Korea Gamble Pays Off
Margaret TalevJune 10, 2018, 7:22 AM CDT
Buildings stand illuminated at the harbor front area with the central business district in the background in Singapore.
Photographer: SeongJoon Cho/Bloomberg
President Donald Trump is about to see whether his bet on North Korea will pay off: that Kim Jong Un’s desire to end his country’s economic strangulation and pariah status will prevail over the dictator’s fear of relinquishing his nuclear threat.
Trump and Kim have yet to agree even on how to define denuclearization of the Korean peninsula -- the stated goal of the meeting. The president wants the complete, verifiable and irreversible dismantling of his nuclear weapons program. North Korea is seeking a security guarantee -- possibly including a peace treaty formally ending the Korean War -- and the removal of the U.S.’s nuclear umbrella protecting allies South Korea and Japan.
The president said Saturday that he expects to know “within the first minute” if Kim is serious about giving up his weapons. The plan is for Trump and Kim to be alone for that first minute, aside from translators; they’ll later be joined by top aides including Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and National Security Adviser John Bolton on the U.S. side.
Trump arrived in Singapore late Sunday local time counting on the pain of current sanctions and the threat of more -- or U.S. military action -- combined with the possibility of financial support and international acceptance to push Kim toward a deal. The U.S. will want to see Kim outline concrete steps toward ending the nuclear program when the two leaders meet in the Asian city-state on Tuesday.
“I feel that Kim Jong Un wants to do something great for his people,” Trump said at a news conference in Charlevoix, Canada, where he attended a summit of leaders from the Group of Seven nations. “It’s a one-time shot and I think it’s going to work out very well.”
Kim’s Position
Kim has rejected calls to unilaterally give up his weapons in return for economic aid, and instead has proposed a step-by-step denuclearization process. His public statements and state-run media indicate he wants a deal to ease sanctions, but that he won’t give up his nuclear weapons until he feels safe enough to retain power without them.
That could present a formidable obstacle in any negotiations. U.S. officials have insisted Kim must put his country on an irreversible path to disarm before any sanctions are lifted.
Kim arrived in Singapore on Sunday and met with the country’s prime minister, Lee Hsien Loong -- only the third world leader he’s met face-to-face since taking power in 2011. Singapore is also the furthest Kim has traveled from North Korea since assuming leadership of his country.
The summit, the first ever between a sitting U.S. president and a North Korean leader, is a moment that Trump has had in mind for at least a year. After the 2016 election, then-President Barack Obama told Trump that North Korea was the biggest national security threat he faced, according to a U.S. official.
Since Trump’s inauguration, his roller-coaster relationship with Kim has swung from personal insults -- calling each other “dotard” and “little rocket man” -- and threatening nuclear war, to a diplomatic courtship.
‘Right Circumstances’
In a May 2017 interview with Bloomberg News, Trump said he’d be “honored” to meet with Kim if it made sense.
“Most political people would never say that,” Trump said at the time -- just months after Kim’s half-brother was assassinated in a nerve-agent attack immediately blamed on the dictator. “But I’m telling you under the right circumstances I would meet with him.”
Trump has added to the drama of the historic summit by suggesting the two leaders may reach a peace deal formally ending the Korean War 65 years after the armistice that ceased military hostilities.
Depending on how the talks go, Trump has signaled the summit could collapse within minutes or stretch into future meetings and perhaps even include a follow-up encounter at Mar-a-Lago. The June 12 meeting could pave the way toward a “new era of prosperity, security and peace,” Trump said. On the other hand, “I am totally prepared to walk away.”
Pompeo, Trump’s point man in discussions with Kim and his representatives leading up to the summit, told reporters that Kim “has indicated to me personally that he is prepared to denuclearize, that he understands the current model doesn’t work.”
Still, many foreign policy experts doubt Kim will give up his nuclear weapons and say the days ahead carry significant risks for the U.S. and its allies.
‘His Grandfather’s Goal’
“For Kim, the nuclear weapons are part of his national identity and a part of the cultural, ideological, political infrastructure that keeps him afloat,” said Jung Pak, senior fellow at the Brookings Institution’s Center for East Asia Studies. “To assume that one can go in and talk about making him rich is almost antithetical, almost offensive in a way, for somebody who has achieved and completed his grandfather’s goal.”
Wendy Sherman, the Obama administration undersecretary of state who led the negotiating team for the Iran deal Trump since rejected, and who was the Clinton administration’s North Korea policy coordinator, said the “litmus test” for any deal Trump can strike with Kim is whether it includes a full accounting of the North Korea nuclear arsenal and ballistic missile program.
“If there isn’t a very robust verification monitoring regime, then none of this will be worthwhile,” Sherman said. “We do want to emphasize the dangers of declaring mission accomplished too soon. We’ve seen that movie before.”
North Koreans have historically been “one of the great masters of playing poker with a very weak hand,” said Eric Altbach, vice president of the Albright Stonebridge Group in Washington, a former deputy assistant U.S. Trade Representative for China affairs who also was involved in deliberations on North Korea sanctions as a George W. Bush administration National Security Council aide.
Because Trump has little experience on the subject, Altbach said, “he might agree to principles or concepts that undermine the U.S. position or that are against the interests of our allies, Japan and South Korea.”
‘Something Incredible for The World’
Days before the summit, Trump dismissed questions about his readiness, saying, "I don’t think I have to prepare very much. It’s about attitude, it’s about willingness to get things done.”
Kim showed the world, repeatedly throughout 2017, that his intercontinental ballistic missile capabilities were more advanced than previously believed. North Korea threatened a nuclear strike if the U.S. tried to remove Kim. The United Nations Security Council, with China’s backing, adopted new sanctions eventually including curbs on selling the regime crude oil and refined petroleum products. Trump and Kim traded threats, with Trump promising “fire and fury like the world has never seen.”
The leaders kicked off 2018 by comparing the sizes of their respective nuclear buttons. But in March, South Korea sent two officials to North Korea for the first time in years, and when South Korea’s national security adviser visited the White House he came with a surprise message: North Korea wanted to talk to the U.S. and was pledging to hold off nuclear and missile tests.
When North Korea in May freed three Americans detained by the regime, it seemed a summit was on the horizon. But tensions increased after Bolton, Trump’s national security adviser, invoked Libya’s denuclearization as a model for handling North Korea, inevitably focusing attention on Libyan leader Moammar Qaddafi’s later overthrow and death in a U.S.-supported rebellion. The North Korean backlash was so strong Trump canceled the summit, then later relented after a Kim emissary came to the White House with a letter extending good will.
“I really believe that we have the potential to do something incredible for the world,” Trump told reporters in the White House Rose Garden as he made his final preparations. “And it’s my honor to be involved.”
Margaret TalevJune 10, 2018, 7:22 AM CDT
Buildings stand illuminated at the harbor front area with the central business district in the background in Singapore.
Photographer: SeongJoon Cho/Bloomberg
President Donald Trump is about to see whether his bet on North Korea will pay off: that Kim Jong Un’s desire to end his country’s economic strangulation and pariah status will prevail over the dictator’s fear of relinquishing his nuclear threat.
Trump and Kim have yet to agree even on how to define denuclearization of the Korean peninsula -- the stated goal of the meeting. The president wants the complete, verifiable and irreversible dismantling of his nuclear weapons program. North Korea is seeking a security guarantee -- possibly including a peace treaty formally ending the Korean War -- and the removal of the U.S.’s nuclear umbrella protecting allies South Korea and Japan.
The president said Saturday that he expects to know “within the first minute” if Kim is serious about giving up his weapons. The plan is for Trump and Kim to be alone for that first minute, aside from translators; they’ll later be joined by top aides including Secretary of State Mike Pompeo and National Security Adviser John Bolton on the U.S. side.
Trump arrived in Singapore late Sunday local time counting on the pain of current sanctions and the threat of more -- or U.S. military action -- combined with the possibility of financial support and international acceptance to push Kim toward a deal. The U.S. will want to see Kim outline concrete steps toward ending the nuclear program when the two leaders meet in the Asian city-state on Tuesday.
“I feel that Kim Jong Un wants to do something great for his people,” Trump said at a news conference in Charlevoix, Canada, where he attended a summit of leaders from the Group of Seven nations. “It’s a one-time shot and I think it’s going to work out very well.”
Kim’s Position
Kim has rejected calls to unilaterally give up his weapons in return for economic aid, and instead has proposed a step-by-step denuclearization process. His public statements and state-run media indicate he wants a deal to ease sanctions, but that he won’t give up his nuclear weapons until he feels safe enough to retain power without them.
That could present a formidable obstacle in any negotiations. U.S. officials have insisted Kim must put his country on an irreversible path to disarm before any sanctions are lifted.
Kim arrived in Singapore on Sunday and met with the country’s prime minister, Lee Hsien Loong -- only the third world leader he’s met face-to-face since taking power in 2011. Singapore is also the furthest Kim has traveled from North Korea since assuming leadership of his country.
The summit, the first ever between a sitting U.S. president and a North Korean leader, is a moment that Trump has had in mind for at least a year. After the 2016 election, then-President Barack Obama told Trump that North Korea was the biggest national security threat he faced, according to a U.S. official.
Since Trump’s inauguration, his roller-coaster relationship with Kim has swung from personal insults -- calling each other “dotard” and “little rocket man” -- and threatening nuclear war, to a diplomatic courtship.
‘Right Circumstances’
In a May 2017 interview with Bloomberg News, Trump said he’d be “honored” to meet with Kim if it made sense.
“Most political people would never say that,” Trump said at the time -- just months after Kim’s half-brother was assassinated in a nerve-agent attack immediately blamed on the dictator. “But I’m telling you under the right circumstances I would meet with him.”
Trump has added to the drama of the historic summit by suggesting the two leaders may reach a peace deal formally ending the Korean War 65 years after the armistice that ceased military hostilities.
Depending on how the talks go, Trump has signaled the summit could collapse within minutes or stretch into future meetings and perhaps even include a follow-up encounter at Mar-a-Lago. The June 12 meeting could pave the way toward a “new era of prosperity, security and peace,” Trump said. On the other hand, “I am totally prepared to walk away.”
Pompeo, Trump’s point man in discussions with Kim and his representatives leading up to the summit, told reporters that Kim “has indicated to me personally that he is prepared to denuclearize, that he understands the current model doesn’t work.”
Still, many foreign policy experts doubt Kim will give up his nuclear weapons and say the days ahead carry significant risks for the U.S. and its allies.
‘His Grandfather’s Goal’
“For Kim, the nuclear weapons are part of his national identity and a part of the cultural, ideological, political infrastructure that keeps him afloat,” said Jung Pak, senior fellow at the Brookings Institution’s Center for East Asia Studies. “To assume that one can go in and talk about making him rich is almost antithetical, almost offensive in a way, for somebody who has achieved and completed his grandfather’s goal.”
Wendy Sherman, the Obama administration undersecretary of state who led the negotiating team for the Iran deal Trump since rejected, and who was the Clinton administration’s North Korea policy coordinator, said the “litmus test” for any deal Trump can strike with Kim is whether it includes a full accounting of the North Korea nuclear arsenal and ballistic missile program.
“If there isn’t a very robust verification monitoring regime, then none of this will be worthwhile,” Sherman said. “We do want to emphasize the dangers of declaring mission accomplished too soon. We’ve seen that movie before.”
North Koreans have historically been “one of the great masters of playing poker with a very weak hand,” said Eric Altbach, vice president of the Albright Stonebridge Group in Washington, a former deputy assistant U.S. Trade Representative for China affairs who also was involved in deliberations on North Korea sanctions as a George W. Bush administration National Security Council aide.
Because Trump has little experience on the subject, Altbach said, “he might agree to principles or concepts that undermine the U.S. position or that are against the interests of our allies, Japan and South Korea.”
‘Something Incredible for The World’
Days before the summit, Trump dismissed questions about his readiness, saying, "I don’t think I have to prepare very much. It’s about attitude, it’s about willingness to get things done.”
Kim showed the world, repeatedly throughout 2017, that his intercontinental ballistic missile capabilities were more advanced than previously believed. North Korea threatened a nuclear strike if the U.S. tried to remove Kim. The United Nations Security Council, with China’s backing, adopted new sanctions eventually including curbs on selling the regime crude oil and refined petroleum products. Trump and Kim traded threats, with Trump promising “fire and fury like the world has never seen.”
The leaders kicked off 2018 by comparing the sizes of their respective nuclear buttons. But in March, South Korea sent two officials to North Korea for the first time in years, and when South Korea’s national security adviser visited the White House he came with a surprise message: North Korea wanted to talk to the U.S. and was pledging to hold off nuclear and missile tests.
When North Korea in May freed three Americans detained by the regime, it seemed a summit was on the horizon. But tensions increased after Bolton, Trump’s national security adviser, invoked Libya’s denuclearization as a model for handling North Korea, inevitably focusing attention on Libyan leader Moammar Qaddafi’s later overthrow and death in a U.S.-supported rebellion. The North Korean backlash was so strong Trump canceled the summit, then later relented after a Kim emissary came to the White House with a letter extending good will.
“I really believe that we have the potential to do something incredible for the world,” Trump told reporters in the White House Rose Garden as he made his final preparations. “And it’s my honor to be involved.”
This should all be interesting....
I'm curious to hear what are some of your predictions for this meeting. Here are mines:
1) Trump does what Trump does and pulls a move. The obvious one is to leave in the middle of the meeting because he doesn't like something (Supposedly a power move)
2) They agree to something! Specifically, If Kim agrees to getting rid of his Arsenal(Which I highly doubt) it's going to be at a heavy economic, assistance, reassurance price. Now with that said Kim would be a damn fool to trust anything that comes out of this POTUS mouth.
Ultimately, and reluctantly I say this:
If Orange is somehow able to get Kim to stop, abandon, and allow inspection of his nuclear program then Orange is going to have a major victory.
So much, in fact, that it may even "Trump" all the legal and Mueller stuff he's going through and put him well in place for a 2nd term. Accomplishing something his predecessors never have.
I'm curious to hear what are some of your predictions for this meeting. Here are mines:
1) Trump does what Trump does and pulls a move. The obvious one is to leave in the middle of the meeting because he doesn't like something (Supposedly a power move)
2) They agree to something! Specifically, If Kim agrees to getting rid of his Arsenal(Which I highly doubt) it's going to be at a heavy economic, assistance, reassurance price. Now with that said Kim would be a damn fool to trust anything that comes out of this POTUS mouth.
Ultimately, and reluctantly I say this:
If Orange is somehow able to get Kim to stop, abandon, and allow inspection of his nuclear program then Orange is going to have a major victory.
So much, in fact, that it may even "Trump" all the legal and Mueller stuff he's going through and put him well in place for a 2nd term. Accomplishing something his predecessors never have.
After seeing what happened to Liyba, Iraq and the raw deal Iran got...its not a good move by N.Korea right now. It will be an American invasion in a couple of years if this deal go through.
Notice that we aligned ourselves with Russia, China and N. Korea...and said fuck everyone else, Putin has won.
Notice that we aligned ourselves with Russia, China and N. Korea...and said fuck everyone else, Putin has won.
All we need now is Dennis Rodman...
Believe it or not I had a little hope when they was talking about this A few months ago until he killed the Iran deal and then I just threw my hands in the air like this ain’t going to do anything at this point. And he is going to have a big surprise when he get back home with his lawyer case
Kim would be a fool to trust anything Chump says.
He has watched Chump in Iran,in Israel with Paris accord,and tariff on allies. ..
The whole purpose of the meeting which was orchastrated by China was to get XTE back
He has watched Chump in Iran,in Israel with Paris accord,and tariff on allies. ..
The whole purpose of the meeting which was orchastrated by China was to get XTE back
He said he’s showing up in Singapore to support his “friends”.
of you haven't heard....hes planning to talk with both of them
Putin is going make this go smooth.. he controls N.Korea and America.
yup
Dennis Rodman will be in Singapore during summit – and guess who’s sending him
Breck DumasJun 8, 2018 9:25 pm
NBA Hall-of-Famer Dennis Rodman, friend of both President Trump and Kim Jong-Un, is planning to be in Singapore during the much-anticipated summit between the U.S. and North Korea on June 12.
Who’s sending him?
Well, certainly not the White House. Trump Administration deputy press secretary Hogan Gidley said on Thursday that Rodman “is great on the court but negotiations should best be left to those who are good at it. President Donald Trump is the best. So we expect he and Kim Jong-Un to have an amazing conversation without Dennis Rodman in tow.”
When asked whether Rodman, also known as “The Worm” had been invited to the summit, President Trump responded, “No, he wasn’t.”
But marijuana cryptocurrency PotCoin has signed up to sponsor Rodman’s trip, with spokesman Shawn Perez saying, “The PotCoin team as a community has been incredibly supportive of Rodman’s peace mission from the beginning. We’re thrilled to see how the political climate has improved between North Koreans and the U.S. since he became involved.
Perez added: “We at PotCoin definitely believe that Dennis Rodman deserves the Nobel Peace Prize jointly with President Trump and the Marshal Kim Jong Un.”
So, he’s friends with both, you say?
The Worm has visited North Korea a number of times after befriending Kim Jong-Un while traveling there with the Harlem Globe Trotters in 2013. Reportedly, the two have a shared interest in basketball and similar tastes in music.
Rodman told Stephen Colbert last year of Kim, “It’s funny, though, that I don’t see how people can sit there and say that this person is a ‘madman.’ He probably is, but I didn’t see that. But he probably is.”
As far as his relationship with President Trump, Rodman appeared twice on “Celebrity Apprentice,” and said in April: “I don’t ask Donald Trump for anything. I like Donald Trump. He’s a good friend, and I’ve always asked him to talk to me because the good people of North Korea and the government asked me to talk to Donald Trump about what they want and how we can solve things.
^^^Ultimately, If everything that's said here is true then Kim doesn't have much choice. If his economy is choking and technologically his country is far behind and etc etc and etc then he has little recourse.
What's going to be especially tough for him is you better believe Orange knows this and will make Kim and his country the U.S. bitch to help ease his countries predicament.
You better believe beyond complete nuclear abandonment there is going to be a strong call for U.S. military base there, U.S. Advisory in their political affairs. Essentially U.S. infiltration in key elements of their government.
I've been thinking for a while that Putin is actually the one nudging Kim Jong Un to the table in order to give Trump a victory. This feels paranoid as I type it but given all the coordinated efforts to support Trump that have already been proven factual it doesn't seem so far fetched. Everything about this feels orchestrated
I really don’t think that is going to happen especially with China involved
Heres my call:
1. NK will be allowed to keep their nukes and will open up for inspections.
2. Humanitarian aid will be allowed to flow into NK
3. NK heroin will somehow make its way to this colony. NK cannabis will start showing up on the green coast and the other states that have legalized cannabis..
Okay, I understand that. But you would agree? If this does happen, Orange is going to ask for 2 King ransoms. He's going to ask for a lot more than Kim is probably willing to give up.
I'm not sure if you're being serious or sarcastic.
But I'm pretty sure #1, #2 has been proposed by many including former POTUS predecessors.
The big question is what has change from then to now?
The likely answer is Kim's country is in bad shape and they need help.
Their only leverage is the nuclear program and that's exactly what Orange is going to ask for and more.
What do you think Chump can give NK that China cant?
The end game will be
Unified Korean peninsula with Kim sharing power and the US military gone with China replacing..
Nobody agrees and the meeting is a waste of tI'm except China gets XTE back into the US
The end game will be
Unified Korean peninsula with Kim sharing power and the US military gone with China replacing..
Nobody agrees and the meeting is a waste of tI'm except China gets XTE back into the US
still the funniest, most uncomfortable, saddest shit I've ever watched
I just watched Dennis Rodman North Korean documentary yesterday & they gave the context for this interview. Charles Smith was a G, he had his shit together; he sounded like a seasoned lawyer.
Excellent! Excellent question.
It's really surprising why NK wouldn't make a deal with China?
China is the biggest player in the world and specifically that part of the world.
China is pulling the strings and that is why nobody tries anything and why Chump backed.off that tuff talk and us meeting. .
China is the puppet master in regards to NK
How exactly does any of this help China?
I'm not sure I see their come-up in this situation.
Any successful negotiation on the U.S. part with NK means the U.S. will end up having a stronger foot-hold in that part of the world.
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still the funniest, most uncomfortable, saddest shit I've ever watched
This looks and sounds like a WWF interview with mean Gene lmbaooo
China already came up with XTE..
The whole reason they had Kim agree to meet and pretend to soften his stance on the south. .
Peace between north and south means US don't need to be a military presence. .
but Chump is thirsty and he will get played. .
Chint wants to lessen US presence in Asia.
For any give from NK on nukes Chump will give up too much
NK agree to end any farther proliferation of any kind, no testing etc.....only if the use remove all military equipment from the region......
basically saying take your shit and leave us alone
its likely MrBuildAWall gonna gloat at the chance of doing something the ones before him couldn't do
his thinking "I can't pass of a chance to do what Barrack, The Bushes and Bill Clinton didn't do"
he probably gonna try and take money from Israel to give to Lil Kim
Interesting....I see your angle on China having already come-up with the XTE thing and NK coming up for "giving up" their nucs in agreement for an economical etc package.
This only really works for China if:
1) The U.S. essentially commits to No Military presence in the region(Since SK/NK are at peace and NK will behave). Which I don't see them doing and
2) China REALLY has NK's back no matter what.
For the U.S. NK giving up their nucs can't be the end of it.
Im serious about the heroin and cannabis.. NK is an legal country as far as cannabis goes and heroin was how they were able to last this long with the sanctions. There's not much difference between NK and Afghan, both are poor countries. NK has a nuke program and both countries are loaded with heroin..
I agree with you, NK only leverage and its a huge leverage is their nuke program. I dont see them ending their nuke program..
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