Is John McCain a war hero? (Latest Donald Trump controversy)

[Amajorfucup]

He is not a war hero, but he does have something that should be a prerequisite of the Presidential Office......prior military service! I'd rather see him in office over anyone else at this point. Unless you can get some of these retired Generals to run for office.........Mattis would be an awesome president!

You want warmongers and meatheads running the country? No thanks.

 

[Art Vandelay]

McCain is full of shit. His hero status is mere propaganda. I mentioned MLK because he was indeed a true hero, and McCain voted against making "MLK Day" a national holiday.

So you believe there are true war heroes and he's just not one of them?

Its all one big commercial and joke to this guy. And the disgraceful media is undermining the entire process by continuing to give him air time.

That's wrong. Huffington Post announced they're moving Trump coverage to the Entertainment section instead of Politics, which is wrong. Trump is #1 in some polls and his racist rhetoric on immigration has undeniably resonated with Republican voters. There is no rational argument for not covering the #1 ranked GOP candidate. Also, his ascendance says a lot about the general beliefs of Republican voters.

It's actually a very illuminating story that puts a spotlight on how racist rank-and-file Republicans are in a way that the party chiefs would rather not be covered. Trump's candidacy is a big part of the process and an important story that deserves as much attention as any other campaign. It would be a disgrace to ignore him.

 

[badboyyawdie]

Trump is right. Mccain is no hero.

 

[Non-StopJFK2TAB]

You want warmongers and meatheads running the country? No thanks.

Hopefully lex is a veteran with a penchant for the blood of people not from his origin.

 

[thismybgolname]

I wouldn't consider someone a hero because they were captured either but I'd never disrespect their service.

I hope Trump wins the GOP because there will be a civil war within that party.

 

[lexdiamonnyc]

Why should military service be a requirement?

Because the President is the Commander-in-Chief of the military.

You want warmongers and meatheads running the country? No thanks.

Not at all, you'll find that most military people want to avoid war because they know the price and toll it takes on people. The current crop of lawyers that run this country don't know shit about any real sacrifice, so they have no problem going from conflict to conflict.

In the perfect world we'd have a real leader (former military commander) running the country. and someone from each respective field running each department/branch.......a lawyer for judicial, a scientist for science, an educator for education, a doctor for medical, a farmer for agriculture, etc, etc.... and if we could somehow get corporations and private 'donations' out of government, that would be great.

 

[An RnB Thug]

Hero....as in saved lives? No
A Brave motherfucker....Yes
He volunteered to go on combat missions
That in my book takes balls....especially
for a war like Vietnam

 

[Mo-Better]

Mccain has a dirty war past. Trump did not go into the real facts.

I'm not a McCain fan but just what are the real facts? He flew a plane, his ass was shot down, he was captured and tortured.

 

[Joe Money]

I'm not a McCain fan but just what are the real facts? He flew a plane, his ass was shot down, he was captured and tortured.

He's allegedly played a major role in covering up information about POWs left behind in Vietnam.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/mccain-and-the-pow-cover-up/

 

[Mo-Better]

He's allegedly played a major role in covering up information about POWs left behind in Vietnam.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/mccain-and-the-pow-cover-up/

Thanks I never heard this about McCain. Its an interesting read. In fact after reading this I'm not sure Trump had this information because he surely would've used it. All Trump kept saying was McCain was no hero.

 

[Database Error]

White people problems

 

[Shadow]

Seen my fair share of combat and I am one of those who believe it is a major selling point for being president. NOT a requirement. A very proven record of service should be a requirement.

Trump has neither. McCain is just too old to smack the shit out of him. Let him call up some GWOT Vets and you might find Trumps body buried under one of the signs on I-95.

I saw Lex mentioned Mattis. Mattis is a fucking beast. Not scared of shit. Type of old white dude that make you nod your head when he talks. If you could convince him (the GOP approached him during the Not Trump thing) he would be great for foreign policy. Whole world is scared of the muffucka. Him and LLoyd Austin (Austin is a brother).

The down side is Mattis supposedly dislikes Obama severely. Don't know what happened firsthand. Heard rumor he talked to Obama like he was a bitch. Don't think it was racial (heard Mattis has mixed grandkids), but anything is possible.

 

[Mentor B]

Dude fought in the Navy and was a POW. I ain't gonna hate on that.

 

[godofwine]

Ask any sailor who served on the USS Forrestal is John McCain is a war hero and they will all to a man tell you no. Just do a little research on the USS Forrestal fire in 1967 that killed 134 Sailors and injured another 161

 

[ballscout1]

Hero....as in saved lives? No
A Brave motherfucker....Yes
He volunteered to go on combat missions
That in my book takes balls....especially
for a war like Vietnam

He flew planes because being a fighter jock got him girls.

He should have been grounded but used his connections to avoid that.

He was dumb but used his connections to get into the War college. His father and grandfather were both admirals.

Dude fought in the Navy and was a POW. I ain't gonna hate on that.

a POW that volunteered to be used as a propaganda tool for the enemy.

a POW who was treated better than most because of his father and grandfather

sure they withheld medical attention initially which resulted in his chicken wing but as soon as they found out who he was he was treated better than others

 

[An RnB Thug]

He flew planes because being a fighter jock got him girls.

He should have been grounded but used his connections to avoid that.

He was dumb but used his connections to get into the War college. His father and grandfather were both admirals.

Dogz, I understand BUT it still takes balls to fight in a War
As him being a POW, you know he was tortured right? ALL POWs were...
He even stayed behind just to be with the other POWs.

Now I don't agree with the Vietnam War by ANY stretch but he sacrificed a lot
to say the least as ALL soldiers in the Vietnam war did.

 

[ballscout1]

Dogz, I understand BUT it still takes balls to fight in a War
As him being a POW, you know he was tortured right? ALL POWs were...
He even stayed behind just to be with the other POWs.

Now I don't agree with the Vietnam War by ANY stretch but he sacrificed a lot
to say the least as ALL soldiers in the Vietnam war.

That tortured shit is myth and didn't happen unless you count the initial denying medical care .

The Vietnamese knew his father and grandfather were admirals and didn't torture him because they feared reprisals

All POWs stayed behind. He did not do anything special

He didn't volunteer to fight a war. He thought he was immune in a plane..

making him a war hero was propaganda to increase his voter appeal.

 

[An RnB Thug]

That tortured shit is myth and didn't happen unless you count the initial denying medical care .

The Vietnamese knew his father and grandfather were admirals and didn't torture him because they feared reprisals

All POWs stayed behind. He did not do anything special

He didn't volunteer to fight a war. He thought he was immune in a plane..

making him a war hero was propaganda to increase his voter appeal.

You think for ONE SECOND that the Vietnamese gave a shit about who his Grand Father was?
And if they did how long you think it took before they found out who he was?
What you think they did at the Hanoi Hilton?
This is where we just disagree.

Here's a pilots account http://nypost.com/2014/02/15/tortured-in-vietnams-worst-prison-11-us-soldiers-were-unbreakable/

You think he's lying?

Secondly, how could ANY pilot "think they immune in a plane"?
The planes were being SHOT down. The U.S. lost 10k planes and helicopters in Nam...that's a fact

 

[ballscout1]

You think for ONE SECOND that the Vietnamese gave a shit about who his Grand Father was?
And if they did how long you think it took before they found out who he was?
What you think they did at the Hanoi Hilton?
This is where we just disagree.

Here's a pilots account http://nypost.com/2014/02/15/tortured-in-vietnams-worst-prison-11-us-soldiers-were-unbreakable/

You think he's lying?

Secondly, how could ANY pilot "think they immune in a plane"?
The planes were being SHOT down. The U.S. lost 10k planes and helicopters in Nam...that's a fact

They found out shortly after his capture....

I didn't say others lied about their treatment I said mcCain did.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/make-believe-maverick-20081016

 

[An RnB Thug]

They found out shortly after his capture....

I didn't say others lied about their treatment I said mcCain did.

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/make-believe-maverick-20081016

Well let's agree to disagree. I say he was tortured to some extent..period.
A lot more than you or I, that's for sure. He was held for 7 years and when he
was released looked like shit stepped on twice. I certainly wouldn't wanna be shot down, held
by Vietnamese in a hot jungle for 7 years and come home to someone saying I'm no hero.
Lastly, ALL people embellish their tales. That is human nature...From Hunters to Lawyers to
You guess it Soldiers....doesn't mean they don't deserve credit.

 

[Joe Money]

Ask any sailor who served on the USS Forrestal is John McCain is a war hero and they will all to a man tell you no. Just do a little research on the USS Forrestal fire in 1967 that killed 134 Sailors and injured another 161

McCain is a grimy motherfucker if this is indeed true!

McCain crashed 5 jets, plus was responsible for the Forrestal fire. Something made the plane behind McCain fire a rocket, which hit McCain's external center fuel tank, and caused a fire. McCain panicked, and dropped two bombs into the fire.
Surviving crewmen of the USS Forestal and those who investigated the Forrestal fire case reported that McCain deliberately 'wet-started' his A-4E Skyhawk to shake up the guy in the F-4 Phantom behind his plane.
'Wet-starts', done either deliberately (the starter motor switch allowed kerosene to pool in the engine and give a wet start) or accidentally, shoot a large flame from the tail of the aircraft.'Wet starting' was a common practice among young 'hot-dog' pilots.
In McCain's case, the 'wet-start''cooked off' and launched the M34 Zuni rocket from the rear F-4 that punctured the Skyhawk's fueltank, knocked the M-65 1000 lb bomb off it's 500 lb rated mount, and touched off the explosions and massive fire.

When the carrier Oriskany came along side, and McCain was put in a chopper and whisked away. McCain was the only Forrestal crewman to be immediately transferred .I have a hunch McCain left for his own safety, because the crew wanted blood.

Now thats the straight talk express .

http://www.topix.com/forum/who/cnn/TIPHLLITR99DU2OKV

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_USS_Forrestal_fire

 

[Dr. Truth]

This didn't do nothing to Trump

 

[godofwine]

McCain is a grimy motherfucker if this is indeed true!

McCain crashed 5 jets, plus was responsible for the Forrestal fire. Something made the plane behind McCain fire a rocket, which hit McCain's external center fuel tank, and caused a fire. McCain panicked, and dropped two bombs into the fire.
Surviving crewmen of the USS Forestal and those who investigated the Forrestal fire case reported that McCain deliberately 'wet-started' his A-4E Skyhawk to shake up the guy in the F-4 Phantom behind his plane.
'Wet-starts', done either deliberately (the starter motor switch allowed kerosene to pool in the engine and give a wet start) or accidentally, shoot a large flame from the tail of the aircraft.'Wet starting' was a common practice among young 'hot-dog' pilots.
In McCain's case, the 'wet-start''cooked off' and launched the M34 Zuni rocket from the rear F-4 that punctured the Skyhawk's fueltank, knocked the M-65 1000 lb bomb off it's 500 lb rated mount, and touched off the explosions and massive fire.

When the carrier Oriskany came along side, and McCain was put in a chopper and whisked away. McCain was the only Forrestal crewman to be immediately transferred .I have a hunch McCain left for his own safety, because the crew wanted blood.

Now thats the straight talk express .

http://www.topix.com/forum/who/cnn/TIPHLLITR99DU2OKV

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1967_USS_Forrestal_fire

John McCain's grandfather AND his daddy were big-time Admirals, and his daddy covered his son's ass on far too many occasions. This is a case of nepotism gone way wrong. Yes, he spent years in A POW Camp, but years of prior ineptitude is evidence of at least the possibility that his incompetence played a part in his capture

 

[Joe Money]

This didn't do nothing to Trump

That's because McCain was regarded as one of those "RINO" Republicans that much of the hard right hates anyway.