In Defense of Joseph Jackson (CP)

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For those speaking ill of Joe Jackson. Let me add a bit of perspective. I have no idea how many of you are men nor how many of you are black so i'll go with the assumption that none of you are and take it from there. Joe Jackson was born in the 20's. Let me repeat that. He was BORN in the 1920's. It wasn't called the Great Depression back then... it was called 'life'. This man was not only born in the 20's but he was born in Arkansas. Yeah that sounds quaint but Arkansas is right above Louisiana. So he was born in the Deep South in the 20's. He is old school. The way you kept kids in line in the Deep South in the 20's and 30's so that they wouldn't be hanged is to whip them. The way you ensured that your child's life wasn't in danger in the deep south in the 20's and 30's was to whip them. Period. I know some of you don't believe that there was life before 1970 but there was and Joseph Jackson was born in and raised in an environment that is completely foreign to the vast majority of us. He was born in Arkansas (rough place if you were a black boy or man), moved to Oakland CA at 12 (again, rough place if you were a black boy or man and then to Indiana (his mindset was already cemented by this time)

Joseph Jackson was the father of 9 kids. Let me repeat that. 9 kids... not just 9 kids but 9 black kids (I know I know there is no such thing as racism and all kids are treated equally especially kids like Emmett Till who was murdered by the way in Mississippi which is incidentally one state diagonal and to the right of Arkansas… just thought I’d throw that in there) but 9 black kids in Gary, Indiana. A little about Gary Indiana; Gary Indiana was and still is poor. The economic demands of World War II revived the steel industry and pulled Gary out of the Depression BUT Wartime consensus shattered in late 1940’s (when Joseph was there) and after. Racial segregation and strife, labor problems in steel, industrial pollution, and political corruption (which had been persistent since the 1920s) earned Gary a national reputation as a troubled town. Let me repeat that. Racial segregation and strife, labor problems in steel, industrial pollution, and political earned Gary a national reputation as a troubled town. Now you’re in a town that is nationally recognized as ‘troubled’ and you have 9 little black kids and you need to keep them in line what do you do if you’re a black man from the deep south in raised in the 20’s and 30’s? You whip them.

It’s really sad that some of you all really think that this man is an abuser when in reality this man is a father. He is the type of father that a society that needs men produces. He is being vilified for doing what he was supposed to do. He was THERE. He provided for his kids. None of them were pregnant or got anyone else pregnant as teenagers, you don’t hear about any of them doing drugs as teenagers you don’t hear about any of them getting into trouble as kids because he did his job as a father and that is to provide for those kids. In fact he worked 2 jobs so that the wife that he loved, the woman that he married, the woman that everyone is fawning over (I think that Katherine is a wonderful woman as well don’t get it twisted) wouldn’t have to work at all and raise those children. He did what ALL fathers are supposed to do. He took care of his family by the sweat of his brow and took care of his wife so that she could stay home and raise their kids. Period.

Here is a bit about Success that some may not realize. Success isn’t easy. If it was easy everyone would be successful. Success takes hard work and dedication. Success takes hours practicing and hours learning your trade. Success takes working 2 jobs to afford to instill in your children the dream that you envision for them (which is what your daddy is supposed to do) and making sure that they have the tools to achieve that dream. Success means driving your family to and from gigs with all of your equipment in a van. Success means making sure that your kids practiced even when they didn’t want to practice. Success means begging people to give the kids that you love a shot so that they can reach the dreams that you have for them. There would be no Michael Jackson or Janet Jackson or Jackson 5 of any of that without Joseph Jackson. Joseph Jackson MADE the Jackson 5. He taught then to play instruments. He taught them to dance and how to work the stage. The ENTIRE clan is where they are today because of the vision of Joe Jackson ALONE! Back in Gary, Ind., after discovering his kids' talents, he quit his job at the steel mill, spent his whole life savings on the best musical instruments he could buy. His wife was very upset, but he told her, "Don't worry; we are going to make it". With no other source of income, other than a few club performances, he knew he had to succeed. Many forget that Gary, Ind. is one of the poorest cities in the whole country. To raise nine black kids out of poverty to super stardom with class is worthy of respect. Katherine married him and she never said the he abused his children. Whipping a child with a switch or a belt is not abuse. Some of the people in this generation should try it so that we can maybe not see kids beating up their parents on television. But again, that would require that there be actual men who are interested in being real fathers to their kids and actual women who support those men in raising a family.

Like I said, Joseph Jackson is old school. He’s tough. He is a child of the depression. To judge how and where he grieves is wrong and pompous. Walk a mile in his shoes then tell me if you want the media, who you’ve seen over and over again try to tear your son down, in your face asking you to reveal your thoughts about your son. He is a man that feels that it is up to him to be the man. He did that all his life. When Michael Jackson collapsed at 11:30 a.m. June 25th, the security guard's first instinct was to call Joe in Las Vegas to find out what to do. HIS FIRST INSTINCT WAS TO CALL THE MAN THAT YOU ALL ARE CALLING A MONSTER! Joe screamed into the phone, "Get yourself together and call 911, now now now !!!" That was him in action, no emotion. Why would Joe be the first one to call if he was such a monster? Why would people who aren’t even in the family call Joe? Ask yourself that question when you’re vilifying the name of the man who created this family dynasty from nothing. Whenever Michael was in trouble who did he go to? That’s right Poppa Joe. During the trial in 2003, with everyone focused on the court proceedings, Joe went from door to door in Santa Barbara, knocking on strangers' doors introducing himself, meeting as many locals as he could. He struggled to get the community on his son's side. He had dinner with people in the community, brought signed Jackson memorabilia as gifts, and did his best to get to know them on a personal basis. He knew too well that legal court proceedings are not decided only in the court room but also in the court of public opinion. Now most PR firms would be thinking of a national or international campaign. But for this trial, the public opinion that mattered most was a very small community in Santa Barbara. That’s a real man and a real father.

Joe went to flukking WAR for his family time after time after time. He sacrificed, just like Matthew Knowles did for Beyonce, like Richard Williams did for Venus and Serena, and like Earl Woods did for Tiger. He did what a daddy is supposed to do. He protected and provided for his family AND he never cared whether anyone knew it or not because HE knows it and that was what he was supposed to do. He’s by no means perfect and has made his share of mistakes as all men do however he deserves respect. I’m going to be honest here; those browbeating Joseph Jackson could not carry his jock strap.
 
I know many brothas who are Married Fathers. Hell My Father is a great Dad to his Us and a great husband to our Mother. He followed the positive example his father set for him and my great grand father set for my Grand Father etc etc. He never dogged us like Joe did Michael. We all got our degrees. No one had a baby out of wedlock.


Kats making excuses for what dude did. :lol: I forgot they made excuses forSteve Mcnair also.



Joe was on something else. He wanted to control everything. He reminded me of this old bitter bastard I saw the other day. His punk ass complained about the man and the old days. He needed to build a bridge man up and stop complaining. These old dudes cry to damn much. No father having suckas.
 
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Everytime I think of the jacksons I think of Chinua Achebe's THINGS FALL APART.

It's been a long time since I read it but the parallels are interesting. Main character is that nigga in his village and is hard nosed but ends up raising a "soft" son who wants to be a musician and he's ashamed of his seed.

I have a unique perspective on this beating stuff. my mother is haitian - and anybody on here raised haitian to immigrant parents knows that haitian parents don't play. they beat you like - it's like some slavery type shit.

Most of the haitian kids like me who grew up catching slave beatings don't speak to their parents now. AT ALL.

But peep game, we're ALL PROFESSIONALS. Just getting outta med school. just getting outta law school - passing the bar and shit. I run my own consulting shit in finance. WE ALL DID WELL. My younger brother - considered a slacker - just finished a four year career playing D-1 football for one of your favorite teams. didn't get drafted or really looked @ by the pros - and is already in grad school.

I know like one dude who couldn't handle the beatings. He's in a mental hospital now. He's in and out of them things. His spirit was broken and he never recovered.

You can tell janet used to take serious beatings. She's real shy - she lowers her eyes when she speaks, and is generally soft spoken.

I don't know what I'm saying. I have white friends whose parents let them do what they wanted and they're successful - and guess what - they hate their parents and are in therapy over the shit. So from a parental side it's like damned if you do and damned if you don't.

I just know that the haitian beatings forced you into a psychological corner. Either you're gonna come out like Nas after Takeover (it brings out the best in you) or you cower in the corner in tears waiting for it to be over.

the kid who chooses option number 2 - for whatever reason - NEVER recovers.

That kid praly was mike.
 
Does that make Joe the monster that the press and the vast majority of those who've 'heard things' and 'watched a movie' or an interview say he is? I think not.

The press is telling the truth. Kats love to defend the worse people because they look like Us. This nonsense has to stop. There is no defense for what that loser did.
 
Richard Williams and Earl Woods didn't beat the shit out their kids and they are the best at what they do.

What's the point of your kids being successful professionally if they are fucked up mentally?

There's no kind of justification for that.
 
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chemist;6631111[B said:
]Richard Williams and Earl Woods didn't beat the shit out their kids and they are the best at what they do.

What's the point of your kids being successful professionally if they are fucked up mentally?

There's no kind of justification for that[/B].

The OP is not all together upstairs.
 
I was raised by my grand mother who beat the hell out of my mom & her siblings & beat the hell out of me. When I think back about any of those beatings I can not think of any I did not deserve, by the way I was born in 1972. My point is my granny disciplined me & taught me right from wrong. She taught me not to cry if I was not hit. The first time I got popped in the mouth by another kid, I punched him right back because no kid could beat me harder than my granny. I was not calling my uncles or pulling weapons I was boxing.
Bottom line is that kids need to learn that parents are the boss. You are raised to honor your parents. Joe was around regardless of what the media or MJ may say about him. He played his part to make sure his kids did the right thing.
 
I was raised by my grand mother who beat the hell out of my mom & her siblings & beat the hell out of me. When I think back about any of those beatings I can not think of any I did not deserve, by the way I was born in 1972. My point is my granny disciplined me & taught me right from wrong. She taught me not to cry if I was not hit. The first time I got popped in the mouth by another kid, I punched him right back because no kid could beat me harder than my granny. I was not calling my uncles or pulling weapons I was boxing.
Bottom line is that kids need to learn that parents are the boss. You are raised to honor your parents. Joe was around regardless of what the media or MJ may say about him. He played his part to make sure his kids did the right thing.

Like most of us in this thread...we all got our ass's whooped at one point or another. Beating fear in your kids isnt gonna scare them from doing what they want in the long run. True enough i thought about my dad kicking my ass but i still ended up doing what i felt most of the time. You need to teach and show your kids whats right and wrong and sorry to say it like this...let them get they lumps. Its the only way they really learn in life
 
word. white folks wanna pretend history never happened. in their version abe lincoln freed the slaves then it was all good. shit was a little grimier than that.
 
I was raised by my grand mother who beat the hell out of my mom & her siblings & beat the hell out of me. When I think back about any of those beatings I can not think of any I did not deserve, by the way I was born in 1972. My point is my granny disciplined me & taught me right from wrong. She taught me not to cry if I was not hit. The first time I got popped in the mouth by another kid, I punched him right back because no kid could beat me harder than my granny. I was not calling my uncles or pulling weapons I was boxing.
Bottom line is that kids need to learn that parents are the boss. You are raised to honor your parents. Joe was around regardless of what the media or MJ may say about him. He played his part to make sure his kids did the right thing.

So if you have kids or when you have kids are you going to beat the hell out of them to make them respect you and do the right thing since it worked for you?
 
Fuck that!!! Joe Jackson took care of his family and raised them out of poverty. Mike said himself he would be a nobody without his father. Joe Jackson gets a bad rep because these crackas want to paint him that way. Guess what... Most active black fathers raise their kids the same way. You can see from Mike's home videos, him and his father had a great respect for each other. Too many of you CAT's on this board are soft pussies. Faggots!












AND FAKE ASS BITCHES!
 
At the end of the day, a whuppin can go too far. Maybe its ok a couple of times, but it's not ok all the time. There were times when I did deserve it, but there were times when I did not.
 
"The Michael Jackson Story", starring The Lord Of Darkness as Joe Jackson. :D

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Btw, CP don't dig all that shit! :angry:

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Fuck that!!! Joe Jackson took care of his family and raised them out of poverty. Mike said himself he would be a nobody without his father. Joe Jackson gets a bad rep because these crackas want to paint him that way. Guess what... Most active black fathers raise their kids the same way. You can see from Mike's home videos, him and his father had a great respect for each other. Too many of you CAT's on this board are soft pussies. Faggots!


AND FAKE ASS BITCHES!

"Hi, I'm Joe Jackson. My son died three days ago, but I'm here at the BET award show to celebrate him. I wanted to be home with my family, but I really needed to shout out my new record label. Thanks, Joe Jackson."


GTFOH
 
The press is telling the truth. Kats love to defend the worse people because they look like Us. This nonsense has to stop. There is no defense for what that loser did.
The press is telling the truth? Isn't that a bit of an oxymoronic statement? Press and truth? What exactly did this 'loser' do that was so much different from what any other father did? Many fathers whipped their kids.
 
didnt read any of this but if its defending joe then i agree

i mean come on dude made his whole family a house hold name

not to mention million zillionaiires

i wish i was a fuckin jackson

or atleast had a dad that pushed me that hard
 
"Hi, I'm Joe Jackson. My son died three days ago, but I'm here at the BET award show to celebrate him. I wanted to be home with my family, but I really needed to shout out my new record label. Thanks, Joe Jackson."


GTFOH

Not defending Joe but you do know Janet was there also. So maybe she and Joe should have both not attended. Just saying.:cool:
 
Richard Williams and Earl Woods didn't beat the shit out their kids and they are the best at what they do.

What's the point of your kids being successful professionally if they are fucked up mentally?

There's no kind of justification for that.
He whipped his kids with his hand or with a switch or with a belt. Did you ever get a spanking? Did you ever get a spanking with a belt? Was that 'beating the shit out of you'? I mean really... he had 9 kids and only 1 of them complained about getting the shit beat out of him. Mike wasn't the eldest. Jackie got the real beatings if you want to be frank about it. Also could it not be that Mike was a bit 'sensitive' himself? I refuse to throw Joseph under the bus for doing what a father is supposed to do to raise and protect his kids and his family.
 
smh you aint never lied about the cp. i was expecting something that i could skim through... i couldn't get past the 1st paragraph. :hmm:
 
"Hi, I'm Joe Jackson. My son died three days ago, but I'm here at the BET award show to celebrate him. I wanted to be home with my family, but I really needed to shout out my new record label. Thanks, Joe Jackson."


GTFOH

business is business, plus mike was old as fuck

u actin like dude was 12 or something, i can understand how u can mistake that tho

how a 50 yr old dies before his pops, if mike is 50 joe h=gotta be like 70 something
 
He whipped his kids with his hand or with a switch or with a belt. Did you ever get a spanking? Did you ever get a spanking with a belt? Was that 'beating the shit out of you'? I mean really... he had 9 kids and only 1 of them complained about getting the shit beat out of him. Mike wasn't the eldest. Jackie got the real beatings if you want to be frank about it. Also could it not be that Mike was a bit 'sensitive' himself? I refuse to throw Joseph under the bus for doing what a father is supposed to do to raise and protect his kids and his family.

exactly!

these muthafuckas is thinkin white!

i wish i had a pops that would woop me till i was perfect at my craft, fuck that!
 
I was raised by my grand mother who beat the hell out of my mom & her siblings & beat the hell out of me. When I think back about any of those beatings I can not think of any I did not deserve, by the way I was born in 1972. My point is my granny disciplined me & taught me right from wrong. She taught me not to cry if I was not hit. The first time I got popped in the mouth by another kid, I punched him right back because no kid could beat me harder than my granny. I was not calling my uncles or pulling weapons I was boxing.
Bottom line is that kids need to learn that parents are the boss. You are raised to honor your parents. Joe was around regardless of what the media or MJ may say about him. He played his part to make sure his kids did the right thing.
I'm not understanding why people are making it seem like he's a monster because he whipped his kids and didn't cry on cue because the media thought that he should grieve in public like they wanted him to. He's not a saint... true... but he's definitely not a demon.
 
He whipped his kids with his hand or with a switch or with a belt. Did you ever get a spanking? Did you ever get a spanking with a belt? Was that 'beating the shit out of you'? I mean really... he had 9 kids and only 1 of them complained about getting the shit beat out of him. Mike wasn't the eldest. Jackie got the real beatings if you want to be frank about it. Also could it not be that Mike was a bit 'sensitive' himself? I refuse to throw Joseph under the bus for doing what a father is supposed to do to raise and protect his kids and his family.

Man you ain't never lied. Gary is a rough ass place to live. That little ass house in Gary could fit inside of a high end condo:smh:. He whooped their ass to get the hell up out of there and into a mansion. The alternative was him being a nice guy and seeing his children having a bleak future.
 
He whipped his kids with his hand or with a switch or with a belt. Did you ever get a spanking? Did you ever get a spanking with a belt? Was that 'beating the shit out of you'? I mean really... he had 9 kids and only 1 of them complained about getting the shit beat out of him. Mike wasn't the eldest. Jackie got the real beatings if you want to be frank about it. Also could it not be that Mike was a bit 'sensitive' himself? I refuse to throw Joseph under the bus for doing what a father is supposed to do to raise and protect his kids and his family.

Only one of them complained because the others may be too scared to say anything bad about him.

Mike Janet and Latoya, the most famous Jackson kids all show signs of low self worth. Even Jermaine talks like a little softie.

As a man aren't you supposed to raise your sons to be strong men?

His male kids don't exhibit this quality at all.
 
The press is telling the truth? Isn't that a bit of an oxymoronic statement? Press and truth? What exactly did this 'loser' do that was so much different from what any other father did? Many fathers whipped their kids.

He beat his kids. No real father does that. They are right about him. I got in trouble as all kids do. It was done out of love so I would not become a thug on the corner or trouble maker and then the cops would do it.
 
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