If Brady Wins On Sunday. . . .

coach belichick

41-55 with the Browns...5-11 with the Pats pre Brady...100-26 with the Patriots with Brady....if anyone was 'system' as you say it would be Montana..he played under the exact same system his entire time in San Fran and after he got old, his replacement stepped right in and was great
 
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People seem to forget that the real mvp of the Patriot's superbowls was Adam Viniteri (sp).

Super Bowl 36-Adam wins the game with last second field goal. 20-17
Super Bowl 38-Adam wins the game with 9 seconds left of play. 32-29
Super Bowl 39- final score 24-21

I like Brady but it was defense and special teams that have gotten him to where he is today.

Who the hell is driving the team down the field in the first place to get in FG range? What a terrible post. Vinatieri is just like all of us, watching the Patriots play on TV Sunday. Defense and special teams got Brady where he is today? Did the 49ers not have top defenses littered with Pro Bowl players? Dallas? Denver??
 
Undefeated season? If the Pats win, 2 teams in NFL History.. one lead by Brady.. Montana? not fuckin close.

Single season TD record - Brady (Is Montana even in the top 5?)

Brady won 3 SBs before he had a great WR corps..

Brady won a SB where his team was the overwhelming underdog (Rams)

yes. quite a list of accomplishments. BRAVO. all of which would be excellent counterpoints to an argument of "tom brady sucks". unfortunately, i never made such a claim.

the OP asked if winning the superbowl sunday would render tom brady the GOAT (QB), correct? how do the items on your list support that, as directly related to TOM BRADY (NOT the new england patriots).
 
All I was trying to say was that Brady was getting more credit than he deserved for the previous three Super Bowls.

I think we can all agree that this is the first year that Tom Brady can get the majority of the credit for the success of the team.

My only question now is where do you rate Brady, if by some chance the team looses on Sunday?

thank you. welcome to BGOL, where people aren't quite in touch with reality.

what the fanboys and sheep can't wrap their heads around are these questions:

if the alleged GOAT QB can't lead his O to outrank the team D in superbowl seasons, can he really be suggested as the GOAT?

if the alleged GOAT QB can't consistently lead his passing game to outrank the rushing game in superbowl seasons, can he really be suggested as the GOAT?
 
Brady ain't there yet. Not saying he won't be but he's got a few more seasons before he eclipses Elway much less Marino. :smh:

D-Nice 1 (The Nice One)

Montana is my all time fav QB and I was a Dolphins fan (after the Bucs) for much of the 80s...yet and still, you wildin D-Nice.

Brady eclipses Elway because he is clutch in the playoffs and Elway choked for years. TD and Shannon Sharpe got Elway his rings, whereas Brady got his with a bunch of cast-offs. First year they get him marquee talent (but still no running game!) and he goes 18-0.

Like someone said, Marino choked like shit in the playoffs and always took the ball out of the RBs hands, trying to do it all himself.

Marino is still one of the greats, but...

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You play to WIN THE GAME! HELLO!!

Four rings, undefeated season, all the single-season passing records?

Cmon man. :hmm:
 
2001-Patriots offensive rank 19....defense rank 24

2004-Patriots offense rank 7....defense rank 9

brah, you need a reality check or a better source.

in superbowl winning seasons, the BEST tom brady has managed to do is TIE the D in rankings: once. again, TOM BRADY HAS NEVER LEAD THE O TO OUTRANK THE D IN SUPERBOWL WINNING SEASONS.

:smh: @ the stat reader who can't look up or interpret shit correctly.

but then, this is BGOL and not the SPORTS board, so why am i not surprised?
 
Cranrab you just made up some arbitrary standard that suits your argument.

Who gives a shit if the O outranks the D? I mean seriously.

Brady wins most of the following arguments

Rings
Single Season Performance
Rising Above Mediocre Talent (pre-07)
Playoff Perfomance
Comebacks
Clutch Wins
Total Record
Total Playoff Record
Consistency
MVP recognition
Pro Bowls

and you settle for "uh...his Offense never outranked the Defense?"

Sincerely, who cares? Montana had a beast defense, so did Elway, so did Bradshaw, who for my money was SEVERELY underrated, so did Aikman, ALSO underrated, and so did Favre.

Rich Gannon had an O outrank his D, so did Warner, theyre not even in the argument.

So how is that a relevant stat?
 
Brady won a SB where his team was the overwhelming underdog (Rams)

which i why i personally believe MOST of the credit falls at the feet of coach belichick.

i can't remember where or when i watched it, but i watched a video of coach belichick (perhaps produced by nfl films?) explaining how he and his staff discovered that the key to the rams' cipher was marshall faulk's position in the backfield.

i give the coaching staff the MOST credit because they figured out what 17 other opponents could not: how to stop the #1 ranked O that averaged 30+ PPG.

that unique hard work by the coaching staff gave tom brady an opportunity to win, not the other way around.
 
Cranrab you just made up some arbitrary standard that suits your argument.

Who gives a shit if the O outranks the D? I mean seriously.

Brady wins most of the following arguments

Rings
Single Season Performance
Rising Above Mediocre Talent (pre-07)
Playoff Perfomance
Comebacks
Clutch Wins
Total Record
Total Playoff Record
Consistency
MVP recognition
Pro Bowls

and you settle for "uh...his Offense never outranked the Defense?"

Sincerely, who cares? Montana had a beast defense, so did Elway, so did Bradshaw, who for my money was SEVERELY underrated, so did Aikman, ALSO underrated, and so did Favre.

Rich Gannon had an O outrank his D, so did Warner, theyre not even in the argument.

So how is that a relevant stat?

Yeah Cranrab known for finding "stats" from somewhere:rolleyes:. No way in hell can anyone say Brady isn't already in he top 4 QB's and on his way to being the best. They're UNDEFEATED currently, you think all of a sudden next year this team isn't gonna be any good anymore. I see the Brady led Patriots winning at least 2 more championships
 
So how is that a relevant stat?

because if we are to discuss which factor is most responsible for the WINNING, we would have to have a clear picture of where each was performing, no?

further, if we are to discuss tom brady's ACTUAL role in the f(x) of those factors, we would have to have a clear picture of where each was performing, no?

so if a person is going to respond to the OP that a new england victory on sunday would render tom brady the GOAT, then it would have to be clear that tom brady has historically performed his role markedly superior to that of his peers: in my example, joe montana.

so again, joe montana won 2 superbowls in seasons where the O outranked the D. tom brady, 0.

joe montana won 2 superbowls where the passing game outranked the rushing game. tom brady, 1.

how can tom brady be considered the GOAT when his performance has never managed to lead the O to outrank the D?
 
Yeah Cranrab known for finding "stats" from somewhere:rolleyes:

yeah, those clowns over at the elias sports bureau are known to pull shit out of their asses ALL THE TIME, right? :rolleyes:

No way in hell can anyone say Brady isn't already in he top 4 QB's and on his way to being the best. They're UNDEFEATED currently, you think all of a sudden next year this team isn't gonna be any good anymore.

good observation. sounds like you found someone who is knocking tom brady or the new england patriots. where?
 
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yeah, those clowns over at the elias sports bureau are known to pull shit out of their asses ALL THE TIME, right? :rolleyes:



good observation. sounds like you found someone who is knocking tom brady or the new england patriots. where?

You're knocking Brady and you know it. You're trying to find every point you can to say that this and that is the reason why Brady has been so successful so far and place none of the credit on Bradys skill as a quarterback.
 
Montana had a beast defense

excellent observation.

joe montana did have some "beast" defensive teams. i'll add to your excellent observation. joe montana was able to perform at such a high level that he succeeded in leading his O to outrank those "beast" defensive teams. what does that say about joe montana?

here are the superbowl seasons:

1981 offense 7th
1981 defense 2nd
1981 passing 7th
1981 rushing 19th

1984 offense 2nd
1984 defense 1st
1984 passing 4th
1984 rushing 3rd

1988 offense 7th
1988 defense 8th
1988 passing 10th
1988 rushing 2nd

1989 offense 1st
1989 defense 3rd
1989 passing 2nd
1989 rushing 10th
 
You're knocking Brady and you know it. You're trying to find every point you can to say that this and that is the reason why Brady has been so successful so far and place none of the credit on Bradys skill as a quarterback.

pookie, you STAY on some fanboy shit.

i make a valid, FACTUAL comparison to a legit peer, NEVER ONCE making a negative remark about tom brady, and you get your panties in a twist.

:smh:
 
thank you. welcome to BGOL, where people aren't quite in touch with reality.

what the fanboys and sheep can't wrap their heads around are these questions:

if the alleged GOAT QB can't lead his O to outrank the team D in superbowl seasons, can he really be suggested as the GOAT?

if the alleged GOAT QB can't consistently lead his passing game to outrank the rushing game in superbowl seasons, can he really be suggested as the GOAT?

Maybe not but Tom Brady has done both. Another cranrab feature is that you throw numbers out no matter how irrelevant it is to the conversation. You just pointing out the stats thats fueling your arguement. The 2001 Patriots in scoring defense and scoring offense were ranked 6th and 6th in the NFL...in yardage they were 24th and 19th? Why are you omitting that? The 2004 Patriots in scoring defense and offense they were 4th ...in yardage they were 9th and 7th. When you throw these kinds of stats out, tell the whole story. Not partial.
 
which i why i personally believe MOST of the credit falls at the feet of coach belichick.

i can't remember where or when i watched it, but i watched a video of coach belichick (perhaps produced by nfl films?) explaining how he and his staff discovered that the key to the rams' cipher was marshall faulk's position in the backfield.

i give the coaching staff the MOST credit because they figured out what 17 other opponents could not: how to stop the #1 ranked O that averaged 30+ PPG.

that unique hard work by the coaching staff gave tom brady an opportunity to win, not the other way around.

Great points, only Bill Walsh's system afforded the exact same thing for the 49ers. The West Coast Offense provided a system where players (including Montana) could be rotated in and out while the team stayed successful for nearly 15 years. In 1984, George Seifert's defense had to face the number 1 offense in the NFL that averaged 32 ppg and had a young gunslinger named Marino that threw for 48 TDs. The Dolphins were held to 16 points.In 1988, George Seifert's defense had to face the top offense in the NFL that averaged 28 ppg featuring a young gunslinger named Esiason and held them to 16 points in the Super Bowl. Arent those things the exact same scenarios you just posted?
 
Cranrab, both Brady and Montana both played with great players, great lines, great defense. Both had legendary coaches. The main difference I see is the era Brady is doing this in. There are now 4 more teams in the NFL thus diluting the talent pool. There is a salary cap in effect today resulting in cap casualties. There is Free Agency today where if a player contract runs out, you will either lose him or franchise him which puts a large strain on the salary cap. None of those things were around in the 1980s. Belichick and Pioli has done a terrific job replenishing the roster in New England, but since 2001 on the field everything has revolved around Tom Brady. Its no coincidence that the winning started immediately after he replaced Bledsoe and hasnt stopped since. Brady is also 30 years old and has more super bowl championships in his future obviously. Joe Montana will always be what he is. Brady possibly has only gotten started.

By the way, im still waiting on the list of the 100 players better than Kobe..its been a month lol
 
Maybe not but Tom Brady has done both.

still clinging to that lie, huh? :smh:

The 2001 Patriots in scoring defense and scoring offense were ranked 6th and 6th in the NFL.

dh86, you are an embarassment to literate individuals.

the O and D were 6th and 6th respectively OVERALL. did you go and get stuck on the misinterpreting the columns again? or do you want to continue on that false pride path and not admit you were clearly wrong with your other fictional "stats"?

stop with the reaching. it's pathetic and desperate.

you and pookie need to put away the rainbow capes. nobody knocked your man.
 
The sports journalist are already stretching their jaw muscels, ready to suck him into football immortality but he's still got a way to go to make a clear-cut separation from his contemporaries (Manning, Favre).

No doubt. He'll be reverred as WHITE JESUS and shit and have all those 30/40-something white microphone-holdin' hoes slobbin' the nut out of his system when they interview him.

Gisele Bundchen gon' be pissed :lol::cool:
 
Montana is my all time fav QB and I was a Dolphins fan (after the Bucs) for much of the 80s...yet and still, you wildin D-Nice.

Brady eclipses Elway because he is clutch in the playoffs and Elway choked for years. TD and Shannon Sharpe got Elway his rings, whereas Brady got his with a bunch of cast-offs. First year they get him marquee talent (but still no running game!) and he goes 18-0.

Like someone said, Marino choked like shit in the playoffs and always took the ball out of the RBs hands, trying to do it all himself.

Marino is still one of the greats, but...

060607_edwards_vmed_3p.widec.jpg

You play to WIN THE GAME! HELLO!!

Four rings, undefeated season, all the single-season passing records?

Cmon man. :hmm:

co sign!
 
still clinging to that lie, huh? :smh:



dh86, you are an embarassment to literate individuals.

the O and D were 6th and 6th respectively OVERALL. did you go and get stuck on the misinterpreting the columns again? or do you want to continue on that false pride path and not admit you were clearly wrong with your other fictional "stats"?

stop with the reaching. it's pathetic and desperate.

you and pookie need to put away the rainbow capes. nobody knocked your man.

Overall defensive ranked is judged by yards per game. If you dont believe me, ask the NFL.

http://www.nfl.com/stats/team?seasonId=2007&seasonType=REG&Submit=Find

Which fictional stat have I posted?
 
I gotta rank him the best of all time if they win

and he has a lot of football left - but look what hes accopmlished

gotta love those Meeeeeeee-chigan QB's
 
still clinging to that lie, huh? :smh:



dh86, you are an embarassment to literate individuals.

the O and D were 6th and 6th respectively OVERALL. did you go and get stuck on the misinterpreting the columns again? or do you want to continue on that false pride path and not admit you were clearly wrong with your other fictional "stats"?

stop with the reaching. it's pathetic and desperate.

you and pookie need to put away the rainbow capes. nobody knocked your man.

Not overall. 6th in offense and defense scoring wise. If you had said, Brady hasnt had an offense ranked higher than his defense in points per game..guess what..cranrab would have been right. You just have to put your numbers in its proper context rather than convienently omit things. Thats all.
 
because if we are to discuss which factor is most responsible for the WINNING, we would have to have a clear picture of where each was performing, no?

further, if we are to discuss tom brady's ACTUAL role in the f(x) of those factors, we would have to have a clear picture of where each was performing, no?

so if a person is going to respond to the OP that a new england victory on sunday would render tom brady the GOAT, then it would have to be clear that tom brady has historically performed his role markedly superior to that of his peers: in my example, joe montana.

Dude there's a whole long laundry list of factors to isolate the QB spot and determine if Brady outperformed Montana or not.

The O outperforming the D is an arbitrary, almost nonsensical one in my opinion. At the very least it ranks far, far, far, FAR below these:

Passing stats (completions, ints, passer rating, TDs, yards per pass, etc.)

W/L record in games started, reg season and playoffs

4th Q comebacks

Division, Conference and League championships

Pro Bowl / MVP honors

etc.

It seems like you're trying really hard to knock Brady. Just say you dont like his ass and be done with it LOL, cause otherwise you're trying really hard to wave away some very very strong arguments for his GOAT status.
 
Not overall. 6th in offense and defense scoring wise. If you had said, Brady hasnt had an offense ranked higher than his defense in points per game..guess what..cranrab would have been right. You just have to put your numbers in its proper context rather than convienently omit things. Thats all.

Im a big fan of picking scoring over overall yards also.
 
Dude there's a whole long laundry list of factors to isolate the QB spot and determine if Brady outperformed Montana or not.

The O outperforming the D is an arbitrary, almost nonsensical one in my opinion. At the very least it ranks far, far, far, FAR below these:

Passing stats (completions, ints, passer rating, TDs, yards per pass, etc.)

W/L record in games started, reg season and playoffs

4th Q comebacks

Division, Conference and League championships

Pro Bowl / MVP honors

etc.

It seems like you're trying really hard to knock Brady. Just say you dont like his ass and be done with it LOL, cause otherwise you're trying really hard to wave away some very very strong arguments for his GOAT status.

He says he's not trying to knock him but posting every thing he can find to support his argument that the system is what makes Brady looks good and not Bradys skills :rolleyes:
 
Who the hell is driving the team down the field in the first place to get in FG range? What a terrible post. Vinatieri is just like all of us, watching the Patriots play on TV Sunday. Defense and special teams got Brady where he is today? Did the 49ers not have top defenses littered with Pro Bowl players? Dallas? Denver??

Superbowl 36-48 yard field goal. Not exactly a chip shot
Superbowl 38-41 yard field goal. Same as above

One can argue that Brady didn't exactly give him good filed position.



You do realize that adam already has four rings?
 
Who the hell is driving the team down the field in the first place to get in FG range? What a terrible post. Vinatieri is just like all of us, watching the Patriots play on TV Sunday. Defense and special teams got Brady where he is today? Did the 49ers not have top defenses littered with Pro Bowl players? Dallas? Denver??


Dallas and the 49's were able to destroy their opponents in some of their Super Bowl. Don't you find it funny that the Patriots won all three of their games by 3 points?
 
wow.

i thought tom brady could walk on water.

miss me with all that bullshit you fanboys were selling.

composure, poise, just some noise. look what happened when a team put some pressure on his ass and got him dirty. looking more like jon kitna.

SMH @ fam quick to buy the hype.

GOAT my ass!
 
wow.

i thought tom brady could walk on water.

miss me with all that bullshit you fanboys were selling.

composure, poise, just some noise. look what happened when a team put some pressure on his ass and got him dirty. looking more like jon kitna.

SMH @ fam quick to buy the hype.

GOAT my ass!

Oh so now you wanna admit they you was knocking him
 
can you read?

my post only knocks sheep-like fanboys who will go un-named. :rolleyes:

i STILL haven't knocked tom brady. wipe away the tears and read my post again.

:smh:

I did read it and thats where my statement came from
 
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