If Brady Wins On Sunday. . . .
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Brady won't be the GOAT but you have to put him up there with the good ones.
My all timers:
Montana
Bradshaw
Staubach
Elway
Young
Graham
Unitas
Tarkenton
Baugh
Fouts
Luckman
Marino
Aikman
Not necessarily in that order....
Good List.
JWILL, I HEAR YOU CUZ. RESPECT FOR LAYING OUT YOUR OPINON. BUT HAVING A UNDEFEATED SEASON DOESN'T MAKE YOU THE GREATEST OF ALL-TIME. SHIT THE DOLPHINS WENT UNDEFEATED WITH THIER BACK-UP FOR MOST OF THE SEASON.
BRADSHAW DIDN'T HAVE A GREAT RECEIVER,YES SWANN WAS GOOD,GREAT NO, YES HE DID SHOW UP DURING THE SUPERBOWL BUT HIS REGULAR SEASON NUMBERS WAS NOT MIND-BLOWING.WHICH LEADS ME TO MARINO HE HAD MIND-BLOWING REGULAR SEASON NUMBERS.BUT THE SUPERBOWL HE JUST DIDN'T WIN IT THAT DAY.HIS NUMBERS FOR THAT ERA IS UNQUESTIONED THE BEST EVER.
LETS GO BACK:
BACK THEN DEFENDERS GOT THE 2 STEPS AND HIT ON THE QB,NOT TODAYS GAME MORE THAN A HALF A STEP=PENALTY.
YOU COULD HAVE CONTACT WITH A RECEIVER DOWN THE FIELD UNTIL BALL WAS IN THE AIR,NOT TODAY GAME 5 YARDS AND RELEASE.
YOU CAN BARELY TOUCH THE QB IN TODAYS GAME.
I COULD GO ON......
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JWILL, I HEAR YOU CUZ. RESPECT FOR LAYING OUT YOUR OPINON. BUT HAVING A UNDEFEATED SEASON DOESN'T MAKE YOU THE GREATEST OF ALL-TIME. SHIT THE DOLPHINS WENT UNDEFEATED WITH THIER BACK-UP FOR MOST OF THE SEASON.
BRADSHAW DIDN'T HAVE A GREAT RECEIVER,YES SWANN WAS GOOD,GREAT NO, YES HE DID SHOW UP DURING THE SUPERBOWL BUT HIS REGULAR SEASON NUMBERS WAS NOT MIND-BLOWING.WHICH LEADS ME TO MARINO HE HAD MIND-BLOWING REGULAR SEASON NUMBERS.BUT THE SUPERBOWL HE JUST DIDN'T WIN IT THAT DAY.HIS NUMBERS FOR THAT ERA IS UNQUESTIONED THE BEST EVER.
LETS GO BACK:
BACK THEN DEFENDERS GOT THE 2 STEPS AND HIT ON THE QB,NOT TODAYS GAME MORE THAN A HALF A STE=PENALTY.
YOU COULD HAVE CONTACT WITH A RECEIVER DOWN THE FIELD UNTIL BALL WAS IN THE AIR,NOT TODAY GAME 5 YARDS AND RELEASE.
YOU CAN BARELY TOUCH THE QB IN TODAYS GAME.
I COULD GO ON......
Respect. Difference of opinion on what we deem great.
First of all, not to get it twisted, I hate Tom Brady. But Tom Brady, right now, is the GOAT.
Forget the fact that his team is undefeated. That makes him good, but not great. Let's just look at his record:
He's been playing for 8 seasons. HALF of those seasons, he played in a Super Bowl.
HALF! He has a 50% Super Bowl participation record!
In the 3 Super Bowls that he has already won (every Super Bowl he has played in they won), Tom Brady was named the Super Bowl MVP in 2! That means that in every Super Bowl that he has played in, has has NOT been named the MVP in only 1!
In 2007, Tom Brady has collected so many records, it's pathetic. In 2007 alone, he broke the following records:
Highest Total Passing Touchdowns in the regular season.
Highest Total Passing Touchdowns in a single game
Lowest Interception Totals in a season
Highest QB Rating in a season
Highest QB Rating in a game.
(and I know that I am missing some.)
Peyton Manning has better stats. Statistically, Peyton may go down as the best ever. But Tom Brady may be considered the GOAT, because he will have the most wins and better accolades.
Forget the fact that his team is undefeated. That makes him good, but not great. Let's just look at his record:
He's been playing for 8 seasons. HALF of those seasons, he played in a Super Bowl.
HALF! He has a 50% Super Bowl participation record!
In the 3 Super Bowls that he has already won (every Super Bowl he has played in they won), Tom Brady was named the Super Bowl MVP in 2! That means that in every Super Bowl that he has played in, has has NOT been named the MVP in only 1!
In 2007, Tom Brady has collected so many records, it's pathetic. In 2007 alone, he broke the following records:
Highest Total Passing Touchdowns in the regular season.
Highest Total Passing Touchdowns in a single game
Lowest Interception Totals in a season
Highest QB Rating in a season
Highest QB Rating in a game.
(and I know that I am missing some.)
Peyton Manning has better stats. Statistically, Peyton may go down as the best ever. But Tom Brady may be considered the GOAT, because he will have the most wins and better accolades.
Tom Brady has not done any memorable shit. No major come back from behind wins like Montana, He just wins because of his system, he has no personality. He's a big ass robotic stickman who follows a system any average QB would be good in. BORING. Best ever is Montana you dumb fucks
YEAH,RESPECT
BUT NOW IF THE THREAD WOULD HAVE SAID DO I THINK BRADY WILL END UP BEING THE G.O.A.T WHEN HE RETIRES,MY ARGUEMENT CHANGES.
THIS 4TH RING WILL ONLY PUT HIM IN THE SAME BOAT AS MONTANA BUT BEING THE ONLY STARTING QB TO WIN 5 OR MORE SUPERBOWLS WILL DEFINITLY PUT HIM AS THE G.O.A.T
BTW!!!!!
GO GIANTS!!!!
I agree, the rules make it easy to put up huge numbers. No wonder guys like David Garrad and Matt Hassellbeck are putting up better numbers than Troy Aikman did.
Tom Brady is great but not up there with Marino, Montana, Unitas, or Favre. Hell I would love to see what Warren Moon would do on the Patriots in the era of big numbers. He would probably throw for 60 td's. Brady reminds me of Terry Bradshaw, good player but in the perfect situation.
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The worst post I have ever seen. Congrats.
In 2007, Tom Brady has collected so many records, it's pathetic. In 2007 alone, he broke the following records:
Highest Total Passing Touchdowns in the regular season.
Highest Total Passing Touchdowns in a single game
Lowest Interception Totals in a season
Highest QB Rating in a season
Highest QB Rating in a game.
THIS DOESN'T MAKE YOU THE G.O.A.T
I'M GOING TO PUT IT THIS WAY.THE COLTS WAS SB FAVORITES.PATS GETS MOSS THEY ARE THE FAVORITES.MOSS IS THE KEY HERE.BRADY NUMBERS WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN THE SAME WITHOUT MOSS.SO DOES THAT MAKE MOSS THE G.O.A.T???
NOW ELWAY,MARINO,FARVE NUMBERS STAYED CONSISTENCE WITH WHO EVER WAS OUT THERE.
BRADY PROBABLY WILL END UP AS THE G.O.A.T,BUT HE WILL NOT BE THAT IF HE WINS THIS GAME.HE NEEDS MORE BESIDES SB APPEARANCES AT LEAST 5 MORE YEARS LIKE THIS YEAR.
Highest Total Passing Touchdowns in the regular season.
Highest Total Passing Touchdowns in a single game
Lowest Interception Totals in a season
Highest QB Rating in a season
Highest QB Rating in a game.
THIS DOESN'T MAKE YOU THE G.O.A.T
I'M GOING TO PUT IT THIS WAY.THE COLTS WAS SB FAVORITES.PATS GETS MOSS THEY ARE THE FAVORITES.MOSS IS THE KEY HERE.BRADY NUMBERS WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN THE SAME WITHOUT MOSS.SO DOES THAT MAKE MOSS THE G.O.A.T???
NOW ELWAY,MARINO,FARVE NUMBERS STAYED CONSISTENCE WITH WHO EVER WAS OUT THERE.
BRADY PROBABLY WILL END UP AS THE G.O.A.T,BUT HE WILL NOT BE THAT IF HE WINS THIS GAME.HE NEEDS MORE BESIDES SB APPEARANCES AT LEAST 5 MORE YEARS LIKE THIS YEAR.
i agree.
joe montana won superbowls with and without bill walsh.
joe montana won superbowls with and without jerry rice.
joe montana won superbowls where the O was ranked higher than the D.
joe montana won superbowls where the passing game ranked higher than the rushing game.
Yall ever notice the look on Dan Marino's face when the panel says Tom Brady is the best ever??? Priceless...
In 2007, Tom Brady has collected so many records, it's pathetic. In 2007 alone, he broke the following records:
Highest Total Passing Touchdowns in the regular season.
Highest Total Passing Touchdowns in a single game
Lowest Interception Totals in a season
Highest QB Rating in a season
Highest QB Rating in a game.
THIS DOESN'T MAKE YOU THE G.O.A.T
I'M GOING TO PUT IT THIS WAY.THE COLTS WAS SB FAVORITES.PATS GETS MOSS THEY ARE THE FAVORITES.MOSS IS THE KEY HERE.BRADY NUMBERS WOULD NOT HAVE BEEN THE SAME WITHOUT MOSS.SO DOES THAT MAKE MOSS THE G.O.A.T???
NOW ELWAY,MARINO,FARVE NUMBERS STAYED CONSISTENCE WITH WHO EVER WAS OUT THERE.
BRADY PROBABLY WILL END UP AS THE G.O.A.T,BUT HE WILL NOT BE THAT IF HE WINS THIS GAME.HE NEEDS MORE BESIDES SB APPEARANCES AT LEAST 5 MORE YEARS LIKE THIS YEAR.
So, he needs 5 rings to be the G.O.A.T? Not 4 rings in 8 total years? And 2 Super Bowl MVPs? I mean, dude got two Cadillacs in his garage that goes with three rings. And he's only been in the league 8 years!
I like Montana. Montana's clutch. But Montana's gotten 4 rings in 15 years. If the Patriots win Sunday, he would have done the same thing in 8. And if Brady's named the MVP, he'll have three Cadillacs in his garage- the same total as Montana.
Why not?? All he's done is win (115-28, including playoffs) and play at a high level every single year of his career, without great offensive weapons until this year.
And 30 Interceptions.
WTF?? No comparison, talent-wise.
And it's BRADY who made his "perfect situation." He's the prime reason for the team's long run of success. The workman-like, awkward Bradshaw had Franco, Swann and, especially, the defense to thank for his championships.
Not sure what Brady has to do to please the haters. He's won at a higher rate than any QB in history (despite a constant turnover of players in this new era). He puts up solid numbers every year. Record-breaking ones this year. He's humble. He's glib. He loves his teammates. Never throws 'em under the bus. He's a pimp, yet classy at the same time. And this is a guy who came into the league with ZERO expectations. Not a #1 overall like Vick, Bledsoe or Manning. Done it all with hard work.
I know. He's just too good to be true (and white).
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Do you think he's cute you fucking fag? Shut the fuck up and leave the sports talk to people who don't have lisps and wear wigs, you dyke cunt whore. Fuck your mother and father for giving birth to you, you dirtbag.
TIAN, LIKE JWILL, I RESPECT YOUR OPINON BUT YOU HAVE TO WEIGH IN ALL THE FACTS.WOULD THEY DO THE SAME THING IN THE PREVIOUS ERA, DON'T THINK SO.
TWO DIFERENT ERA
THERE WAS PARITY BACK THEN.IT WAS A TOSS UP EVERY YEAR AS WHO WAS GOING TO WIN THE SB.
NOW THERE ARE ONLY 4 OR 5 TEAMS TOPS THAT HAS A REALISTIC CHANCE OF WINNING.
CLEARLY THE 49ERS WAS THE TEAM OF THE 80'S HOW MANY SB DID THEY GET?
CLEARLY THE COWBOYS WAS THE TEAM OF THE 90'S HOW MANY DID THEY WIN?
YES THERE GOOD PLAYERS THROUGH OUT THE LEAGUE,BUT WHO HAS THE TALENT OF THE PATS? YOU HAVE TO STOP AT THE COLTS,MAYBE THE COWBOYS.WHERE IS THIER WEAKNESS?THEY ARE STACKED AT EVERY POSITION.BRADY IS GOOD BECAUSE OF HIS TEAM AND SYSTEM THAT HE'S IN.HE WOULD NOT HAVE THE SAME NUMBERS ON LET'S SAY THE RAIDERS,CARDINALS,SHIT EVEN MY GIANTS.
THE PATS WAS ALREADY A GOOD TEAM BEFORE HE TOOK OVER AS STARTING QB.ALL THE OTHER BEFORE MENTIONED QBS HAD TO BUILD & GROW WITH THIER TEAM.LET'S SEE HOW GOOD HE IS WHEN THEY HAVE TO START TO REBUILD!!!
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If you wont consider Tom Brady the greatest QB after Sunday, you wont ever no matter what Tom does. Tom Brady won 2 titles already with the offense ranked higher than the D, won 3 already without Moss and won a title with antowain smith gaining 600 yards. Being the constant in such an extended period of time given the salary cap and free agency speaks volumes
Parity back then?? When there are wild card teams making the super bowl year after year now? When the New Orleans Saints were in the conference championship last year? In the 1980s, there was no free agency, there was no salary cap. Players did not change teams. There is far more parity today. If this was the 80s, the Pats would still have McGinest,Law,Branch and Vinatieri. There would have never been a need to let them loose. Who the fuck cares how Brady would have done on the Raiders or Cardinals. He will never play on those teams so what makes those things relevant? What if Joe Montana played on the Lions in the 80s? What if Marino played on the Cardinals? Completely irrelevant. Judge players on what they do for the team they played for. There has been constant change on the Patriots from 2001 to today. Look at the roster side by side. Whats the constant?
Another Patriot Dickriding Thread!!! Just What The Fuck This Board Needed!!
People seem to forget that the real mvp of the Patriot's superbowls was Adam Viniteri (sp).
Super Bowl 36-Adam wins the game with last second field goal. 20-17
Super Bowl 38-Adam wins the game with 9 seconds left of play. 32-29
Super Bowl 39- final score 24-21
I like Brady but it was defense and special teams that have gotten him to where he is today.
Super Bowl 36-Adam wins the game with last second field goal. 20-17
Super Bowl 38-Adam wins the game with 9 seconds left of play. 32-29
Super Bowl 39- final score 24-21
I like Brady but it was defense and special teams that have gotten him to where he is today.
Co-sign. Joe is #1 in my opinion, but even though i fuckin hate the patriots, I can't front on Brady's skill and poise. If he wins this one I put him in the 2 spot with Marino at 3. If he keeps is up after that though he'll be number one easy. But for now Montana gets it cause with 1:30 on the clock, behind by 5 in a big game scenario, I'm still goin with Joe everytime.
End thread!!
as usual, WRONG again.
none of the new england patriot superbowl teams had an O that outranked the D.
stop the myth building and check the actual FACTS.
http://www.bgol.us/board/showpost.php?p=3403187&postcount=2
yawn. and?
joe montana won two superbowls before jerry rice joined the 49ers.
joe montana won superbowls under 2 different head coaches.
joe montana won two superbowls where the O outranked the D. tom brady? zero.
joe montana won two superbowls where the passing game outranked the rushing game. tom brady? once.
coach belichick
Are you fucking serious?
4 rings will equal more than Favre and Manning have combined. And in this nation, we happen to judge athletic immortality by the amount of championships acquired, and not solely on records. Brady with his three rings, in my opinion, already shits on Peyton Manning's entire career. Brady winning on Sunday will just put more added pressure on Manning to go out and have to win 3 more Super Bowls before he can even be mentioned in the same breath as Brady. And let's be honest, Brett Favre is the most over-rated legendary QB ever. Dude is guaranteed to find a way to prevent his team from being successful in the clutch in the playoffs. The Packers should've played in at least two more Super Bowls during his career had he not thrown their opportunities away with his arm.
Im a big PATS fan... All i can say is, this is the G.O.A.T. NFL team in the history of the game (if not top three).
As far as Brady, man imma have to say he's in the list of the greatest cos aint no "I" in "TEAM"... its a team effort. Imagine if Randy and Wes and em' keep dropping the ball...huh?
I love the guy's game but would he be the same QB if thrown in the same situation with the old school players??? Thats how you know a true G.O.A.T. One who can perform at an optimum level against ANY matchup!!!
By the way, Pats crush Giants 28-17 on SB Sunday, ya dig!!!
As far as Brady, man imma have to say he's in the list of the greatest cos aint no "I" in "TEAM"... its a team effort. Imagine if Randy and Wes and em' keep dropping the ball...huh?
I love the guy's game but would he be the same QB if thrown in the same situation with the old school players??? Thats how you know a true G.O.A.T. One who can perform at an optimum level against ANY matchup!!!
By the way, Pats crush Giants 28-17 on SB Sunday, ya dig!!!
All of that was a legit argument until 2007 brah. Besides, we all know it's a team win but we're talking about the QBs who lead the teams.
This season, 18-0 & likely to go 19-0 w/o Vinatieri & the defense leading the way. Randy Moss has been a NON FACTOR in the playoffs & Brady still found a way to get 2 Ws.
Plus, he threw 50 TDs & broke the single season record.
Undefeated season? If the Pats win, 2 teams in NFL History.. one lead by Brady.. Montana? not fuckin close.
Single season TD record - Brady (Is Montana even in the top 5?)
Brady won 3 SBs before he had a great WR corps..
Brady won a SB where his team was the overwhelming underdog (Rams)
Guys, you can't front on this season.
19-0 is fuckin 19-0. If they win, we're talking about something that has happened TWICE in NFL history & hasn't happened in over 35 years. Throw in the single season TD record on top of it, it's a wrap brah.
Accept it... ya now tuned in to the mafuckin greatest...
look at that sissy bitch ,tom anit nothing but system quarterback and a bitch at heart
aikman is way better than his dick sucking ass
All I was trying to say was that Brady was getting more credit than he deserved for the previous three Super Bowls.
I think we can all agree that this is the first year that Tom Brady can get the majority of the credit for the success of the team.
My only question now is where do you rate Brady, if by some chance the team looses on Sunday?
2001-Patriots offensive rank 19....defense rank 24
2004-Patriots offense rank 7....defense rank 9
and of course theres this year were Patriots offense is ranked 1 and defense ranked 4 and of course this year when the Patriots win, they will have the number 1 ranked passing offense and 13th rushing offense. How could you not look this shit up before you post? lol
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