How Many of You Are STILL Working From Home? Remoters vs. Returners... It's Close

DC_Dude

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Apple employees push back against returning to the office in internal letter
“Over the last year we often felt not just unheard, but at times actively ignored”

Apple employees are pushing back against a new policy that would require them to return to the office three days a week starting in early September. Staff members say they want a flexible approach where those who want to work remote can do so, according to an internal letter obtained by The Verge.

“We would like to take the opportunity to communicate a growing concern among our colleagues,” the letter says. “That Apple’s remote/location-flexible work policy, and the communication around it, have already forced some of our colleagues to quit. Without the inclusivity that flexibility brings, many of us feel we have to choose between either a combination of our families, our well-being, and being empowered to do our best work, or being a part of Apple.”

The move comes just two days after Tim Cook sent out a note to Apple employees saying they would need return to the office on Mondays, Tuesdays, and Thursdays starting in the fall. Most employees can work remotely twice a week. They can also be remote for up to two weeks a year, pending manager approval.

It’s an easing of restrictions compared to Apple’s previous company culture, which famously discouraged employees from working from home prior to the pandemic. Yet it’s still more conservative compared to other tech giants. Both Twitter and Facebook have told employees they can work from home forever, even after the pandemic ends.

A CLEAR DIVIDE
For some Apple workers, the current policy doesn’t go far enough, and shows a clear divide between how Apple executives and employees view remote work.

“Over the last year we often felt not just unheard, but at times actively ignored,” the letter says. “Messages like, ‘we know many of you are eager to reconnect in person with your colleagues back in the office,’ with no messaging acknowledging that there are directly contradictory feelings amongst us feels dismissive and invalidating...It feels like there is a disconnect between how the executive team thinks about remote / location-flexible work and the lived experiences of many of Apple’s employees.”

The letter, addressed to Tim Cook, started in a Slack channel for “remote work advocates” which has roughly 2,800 members. About 80 people were involved in writing and editing the note.

Apple employees say that embracing remote work is paramount for the company’s diversity and inclusion efforts. “For inclusion and diversity to work, we have to recognize how different we all are, and with those differences, come different needs and different ways to thrive,” they say.

Here are the specific asks outlined by employees in the note:





The letter was sent out for Apple employees to sign late Friday afternoon.

Apple did not immediately respond to a request for comment from The Verge.

Read the full letter below:

Dear Tim and Executive Leadership,​
Thank you for your thoughtful considerations on a hybrid approach to returning to office work, and for sharing it with all of us early this week. We appreciate your efforts in navigating what has been undeniably an incredibly difficult time for everyone around the world, and doing so for over one hundred thousand people. We are certain you have more plans than were shared on Wednesday, but are following Apple’s time-honored tradition of only announcing things when they are ready. However, we feel like the current policy is not sufficient in addressing many of our needs, so we want to take some time to explain ourselves.​
This past year has been an unprecedented challenge for our company; we had to learn how to deliver the same quality of products and services that Apple is known for, all while working almost completely remotely. We did so, achieving another record-setting year. We found a way for everyone to support each other and succeed in a completely new way of working together — from locations we were able to choose at our own discretion (often at home).​
However, we would like to take the opportunity to communicate a growing concern among our colleagues. That Apple’s remote/location-flexible work policy, and the communication around it, have already forced some of our colleagues to quit. Without the inclusivity that flexibility brings, many of us feel we have to choose between either a combination of our families, our well-being, and being empowered to do our best work, or being a part of Apple. This is a decision none of us take lightly, and a decision many would prefer not to have to make. These concerns are largely what prompted us to advocate for changes to these policies, and data collected will reflect those concerns.​
Over the last year we often felt not just unheard, but at times actively ignored. Messages like, ‘we know many of you are eager to reconnect in person with your colleagues back in the office,’ with no messaging acknowledging that there are directly contradictory feelings amongst us feels dismissive and invalidating. Not only do many of us already feel well-connected with our colleagues worldwide, but better-connected now than ever. We’ve come to look forward to working as we are now, without the daily need to return to the office. It feels like there is a disconnect between how the executive team thinks about remote / location-flexible work and the lived experiences of many of Apple’s employees.​
For many of us at Apple, we have succeeded not despite working from home, but in large part because of being able to work outside the office. The last year has felt like we have truly been able to do the best work of our lives for the first time, unconstrained by the challenges that daily commutes to offices and in-person co-located offices themselves inevitably impose; all while still being able to take better care of ourselves and the people around us.​
Looking around the corner, we believe the future of work will be significantly more location and timezone flexible. In fact, we are already a distributed company with offices all over the world and across many different timezones. Apple’s organizational hierarchy lends itself towards offices that often follow the same structure, wherein people in the same organization are more likely to be co-located in an office. At the same time, we strongly encourage cross-functional, cross-organization collaboration, and our organization’s many horizontal teams reflect this. Such collaboration is widely celebrated across our organization, and arguably leads us to our best results — it’s one of the things that makes Apple, Apple. However, orgs are rarely co-located within walking distance, let alone in the same building, meaning our best collaboration has always required remote communication with teams in other offices and across timezones, since long before the pandemic. We encourage distributed work from our business partners, and we’ve been a remote-communication necessary company for some time, a vision of the future that Steve Jobs himself predicated in an interview from 1990. This may explain how mandatory out-of-office work enabled tearing down cross-functional communication barriers to deliver even better results.​
Almost all of us have worked fully remote for over a year now, though the experience arguably would have been better less one pandemic. We have developed two major versions of all our operating systems, organized two full WWDCs, introduced numerous new products, transitioned to our own chipsets, and supported our customers with the same level of care as before. We have already piloted location-flexible work the last 15 months under much more extreme conditions and we were very successful in doing so, finding the following benefits of remote and location-flexible work for a large number of our colleagues:​

  • Diversity and Inclusion in Retention and Hiring
    • Tearing Down Previously Existing Communication Barriers
    • Better Work Life Balance
    • Better Integration of Existing Remote / Location-Flexible Workers
    • Reduced Spread of Pathogens
We ask for your support in enabling those who want to work remotely / in location-flexible ways to continue to do so, letting everyone figure out which work setup works best for them, their team, and their role — be it in one of our offices, from home, or a hybrid solution. We are living proof that there is no one-size-fits-all policy for people. For Inclusion and Diversity to work, we have to recognize how different we all are, and with those differences, come different needs and different ways to thrive. We feel that Apple has both the responsibility to recognize these differences, as well as the capability to fully embrace them. Officially enabling individual management chains and individual teams to make decisions that work best for their teams roles, individuals, and needs — and having that be the official stated policy rather than the rare individual exceptions — would alleviate the concerns and reservations many of us currently have.​
We understand that inertia is real and that change is difficult to achieve. The pandemic forcing us to work from home has given us a unique opportunity. Most of the change has already happened, remote/location-flexible work is currently the “new normal,” we just need to make sure we make the best of it now. We believe that Apple has the ability to be a leader in this realm, not by declaring ‘everyone just work from home for forever,’ as some other companies have done, but by declaring an official broad paradigm policy, that allows individual leaders to make decisions that will enable their teams to do the best work of their lives. We strongly believe this is the ideal moment to “burn the boats” — to boldly declare ‘yes this can be done, and done successfully, because there is no other choice for the future.’​
We have gathered some of our requests and action items to help continue the conversation and make sure everyone is heard.​

  • We are formally requesting that Apple considers remote and location-flexible work decisions to be as autonomous for a team to decide as are hiring decisions.
    • We are formally requesting a company-wide recurring short survey with a clearly structured and transparent communication / feedback process at the company-wide level, organization-wide level, and team-wide level, covering topics listed below.
    • We are formally requesting a question about employee churn due to remote work be added to exit interviews.
    • We are formally requesting a transparent, clear plan of action to accommodate disabilities via onsite, offsite, remote, hybrid, or otherwise location-flexible work.
    • We are formally requesting insight into the environmental impact of returning to onsite in-person work, and how permanent remote-and-location-flexibility could offset that impact.
We have great respect for Apple and its leadership; we strongly believe in the Innovation and Thinking Differently (from “the way things have always been done” and “industry standards”) that are part of Apple’s DNA. We all wish to continue to “bleed six colors” at Apple itself and not elsewhere. At Apple, our most important resource, our soul, is our people, and we believe that ensuring we are all heard, represented, and validated is how we continue to defend and protect that precious sentiment.​
This is not a petition, though it may resemble one. This is a plea: let’s work together to truly welcome everyone forward.​

They should have that flexibility. Work still going to get done no matter what. That whole working in the office is very 1920s
 

Madrox

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They should have that flexibility. Work still going to get done no matter what. That whole working in the office is very 1920s

You're right.. esp for tech related positions. But the folks at the top of a lot of these companies are (1) old school control freaks and (2) look at the job as, literally, their social life and place of acceptance.

To many of them, not only is there nothing else substantial in their lives besides work, but its also hard for them to fathom that other people don't feel the same way. You can tell by that one line mentioned where they were like "We know you are all eager to get back and reconnect in person.." . Yea right.

I was speaking to this dude at my gym who runs an HVAC company out here and mentioned how I'm still working from home and how I love it. He said he hates it and can tell that people aren't at their computer and doing what they're supposed to be doing. His comment def came from a micromanagement mindset rather than actually WORK not being done. That's the fucked up thing: that old school way of prioritizing looking busy is more important to some of these fools than actually getting the job done.

I'm glad people are quitting and changing their lives for the better. These managers have a lot of nerve with some of this shit.
 

Gazoo

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You're right.. esp for tech related positions. But the folks at the top of a lot of these companies are (1) old school control freaks and (2) look at the job as, literally, their social life and place of acceptance.

To many of them, not only is there nothing else substantial in their lives besides work, but its also hard for them to fathom that other people don't feel the same way. You can tell by that one line mentioned where they were like "We know you are all eager to get back and reconnect in person.." . Yea right.

I was speaking to this dude at my gym who runs an HVAC company out here and mentioned how I'm still working from home and how I love it. He said he hates it and can tell that people aren't at their computer and doing what they're supposed to be doing. His comment def came from a micromanagement mindset rather than actually WORK not being done. That's the fucked up thing: that old school way of prioritizing looking busy is more important to some of these fools than actually getting the job done.

I'm glad people are quitting and changing their lives for the better. These managers have a lot of nerve with some of this shit.

My wife works from home and loves it. It benefits the company in that there is rarely a call out day, tardiness, high work completion rates due the flexibility of working on assignments at odd hours, not dealing with disruptive co-workers, desk space, food, gas and clothes purchases, less laundry, no spreading germs (not just Covid), horrible parking conditions, car maintenance and mileage. Her company has to actually make them take vacation because the days are not needed for personal things and very little burnout.

You're right, by process of elimination the only reason upper management wants a return to work where it's not needed is control. Of course there's always that one trouble maker that wants to come back so she can backstab and brown nose.

Unfortunately the nature of my job has that five percent where I'm physically needed there. The other 95% is behind a desk taking a course, napping, personal biz and bgol.
 

Gazoo

The Big Brain
Registered
I do twice a week. I like it, because I get more done and there's no one to barge into my office and acting like their problem is a major emergency.

You go in twice a week or work at home twice a week.

Either way, it's better than going in for five.
 

woodchuck

A crowd pleasing man.
OG Investor
You go in twice a week or work at home twice a week.

Either way, it's better than going in for five.
I work from home on Tuesdays & Thursdays. Once in a while, I'll do Wednesday. My wife works from home full time. Those fucking feds have it sweet! You can tell I'm working from home, if I respond to a thread before 4 o'clock! :giggle:
 

Gazoo

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Registered
I work from home on Tuesdays & Thursdays. Once in a while, I'll do Wednesday. My wife works from home full time. Those fucking feds have it sweet! You can tell I'm working from home, if I respond to a thread before 4 o'clock! :giggle:

:giggle:

Cool, you and your wife. You need to listen that song "Afternoon Delight".
 

Gazoo

The Big Brain
Registered
I'm at home today. I texted my boss last Friday to tell him that was struggling, because I was having back spasms, and he responded: "Dude, you're a desk jockey. Work from home!"

Fr my perspective, the only people that WANT to go back are brownnosers and kiss asses. Aside from some things like checking out the female co-workers, it's a no contest.

I do understand if someone is a legit climber and wants to be where the action is.

But the transportation, clothing, parking, politics, food to buy... wish I could. Glad my wife does.
 

CPT Callamity

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BGOL Investor
I'm used to this whole arrangement but I will admit sometimes I'd like to look at some cheeks walking down the hallway and the downtown scene at lunch.
I hear that not being face to face hampers opportunities but I just got a raise and don't gaf about climbing right now. I'm just hoping the contract gets renewed and this condition retained.
Hardest part about being home for me is now figuring out what to eat. When I was at the office there were a dozen places to go within walking distance. Now I have to hunt out spots I want to eat at because everything is spread out.
 

Madrox

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BGOL Investor
Fr my perspective, the only people that WANT to go back are brownnosers and kiss asses.

And fuckin Senior Citizens whose only social interaction is at work....:

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largebillsonlyplease

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BGOL Legend
Remote for now.

The job is making a push to get folks back into the office. Makes no sense since we are doing better than ever. Best year ever in the companies history last year, and on pace for a better year in 2021 in these times.

Like most I've saved a ton on commuting, and other expenses related to going into the office.
they gotta write off that real estate they renting
 

scullydog

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I work from home and I appreciate every minute of it. Don't ever want to go back to being at a job site. I do my phone calls, fill out the paperwork, and go back to sleep or go workout. I get the job done, no boss breathing down my back, I am a happy soldier. Don't have to worry to much about COVID. I just wait on the wife to get home so I can have some human interaction, but, I love this situation. Also trying to pick up another remote job to go along with what I have now so, I can double my money.
 

CPT Callamity

Titty Feelin Villain
BGOL Investor
A couple of weeks back I went in to retrieve whatever was in or on my desk that I wanted to keep.
Turned in equipment and was out. We are fully remote at this point. I have a desktop to access remotely they keep running. Now they don't have to occupy any space.

It's a funny point in life because I am earning decent money doing way less work. I remember busting my ass in warehouses for $45K and hating life. This is so much better.
 

doe moe

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For most of us, we enjoying working from home because we are able to work in peace!

Peace as in work without the constant scrutiny of white supremacist coworkers.

Also watching and judging you. Being nosy about your life outside of work and what you did on the weekend.

I'm truly more productive at home because there is no interference from crackas.

It's not easy working around a bunch of white devils who only interaction with black folks are on the job. So you're having to deal with all their prejudices and biases because you are the only black person they must interact with in a controlled environment.
 

Madrox

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BGOL Investor
For most of us, we enjoying working from home because we are able to work in peace!

Peace as in work without the constant scrutiny of white supremacist coworkers.

Also watching and judging you. Being nosy about your life outside of work and what you did on the weekend.

I'm truly more productive at home because there is no interference from crackas.

It's not easy working around a bunch of white devils who only interaction with black folks are on the job. So you're having to deal with all their prejudices and biases because you are the only black person they must interact with in a controlled environment.

Yup getting used to all the extra social bullshit again vs just doing my job and getting on with life each day is gonna take some getting used to. I'm already feeling a little bit more of that tension a month out.

Ppl actin like its some HS reunion coming up next month, they're having raffles and shit (Im serious) :smh:
 

CPT Callamity

Titty Feelin Villain
BGOL Investor
For most of us, we enjoying working from home because we are able to work in peace!

Peace as in work without the constant scrutiny of white supremacist coworkers.

Also watching and judging you. Being nosy about your life outside of work and what you did on the weekend.

I'm truly more productive at home because there is no interference from crackas.

It's not easy working around a bunch of white devils who only interaction with black folks are on the job. So you're having to deal with all their prejudices and biases because you are the only black person they must interact with in a controlled environment.

Sadly enough I miss my crew. I'm lucky in the sense that most of us are black. Engineers, SysAdmins and Security = majority black. I can tell you that having a favorable amount of US in a department is so damn peaceful. The white guys are cool but since they don't have the numbers they don't wild out like they do on other sites.
 
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