Help Brothers & Sisters in N.O.

MY brother down there in grambling, he was safe. My mother rang my phone to death, had to turn it off cause we both told her he was safe. hahah

Anyway they are donating and I will help for sure. I have done alot of volunteer work up here along with my mother, my brother is in that shit to.

I hate when good people have to suffer through tragedys like this and really try to have empathy. I could only imagine if a flood came through my place and took everythign I worked for.

People need help canned goods, water, money whatever.

Watched the news today and felt really, really bad for those people. LOst everydam thing. Thousands of people lost everything they ever worked for. I dont believe in god but even I prayed and said if you up there give these people help!!!!!!!!!

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Muckraker,

I was just about to post Jack Shafer's article in Slate. Thanks a bundle Brother for getting to it. I'm battling with virtually no fuel to keep my lil generator going, my kids relatively pacified and the sweltering heat (but I can't complain a bit - not with the suffering of my brethren and relatives along the gulf coast, especially in New Orleans).

QueEx

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Muckraker: Didn't mean to override your post Bro -- but wanted to post the article for those who may be lazy on the left clicker.

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Desperate S.O.S.

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Sep 1, 5:48 PM (ET)
Associated Press
By ADAM NOSSITER

<font size="3">NEW ORLEANS (AP) - Storm victims were raped and beaten, fights and fires broke out, corpses lay out in the open, and rescue helicopters and law enforcement officers were shot at as flooded-out New Orleans descended into anarchy Thursday. "This is a desperate SOS," the mayor said.</font size>

Anger mounted across the ruined city, with thousands of storm victims increasingly hungry, desperate and tired of waiting for buses to take them out.

"We are out here like pure animals. We don't have help," the Rev. Issac Clark, 68, said outside the New Orleans Convention Center, where corpses lay in the open and other evacuees complained that they were dropped off and given nothing - no food, no water, no medicine.

About 15,000 to 20,000 people who had taken shelter at the convention center to await buses grew increasingly hostile. Police Chief Eddie Compass said he sent in 88 officers to quell the situation at the building, but they were quickly beaten back by an angry mob.

"We have individuals who are getting raped, we have individuals who are getting beaten," Compass said. "Tourists are walking in that direction and they are getting preyed upon."

In hopes of defusing the unrest at the convention center, Mayor Ray Nagin gave the refugees permission to march across a bridge to the city's unflooded west bank for whatever relief they can find. But the bedlam at the convention center appeared to make leaving difficult.

A military helicopter tried to land at the convention center several times to drop off food and water. But the rushing crowd forced the choppers to back off. Troopers then tossed the supplies to the crowd from 10 feet off the ground and flew away.

National Guardsmen poured in to help restore order and put a stop to the looting, carjackings and gunfire that have gripped New Orleans in the days since Hurricane Katrina plunged much of the city under water.

In a statement to CNN, Nagin said: "This is a desperate SOS. Right now we are out of resources at the convention center and don't anticipate enough buses. We need buses. Currently the convention center is unsanitary and unsafe and we're running out of supplies."

In Washington, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff said the government is sending in 1,400 National Guardsmen a day to help stop looting and other lawlessness in New Orleans. Already, 2,800 National Guardsmen are in the city, he said.

But across the flooded-out city, the rescuers themselves came under attack from storm victims.

"Hospitals are trying to evacuate," said Coast Guard Lt. Cmdr. Cheri Ben-Iesan, spokesman at the city emergency operations center. "At every one of them, there are reports that as the helicopters come in people are shooting at them. There are people just taking potshots at police and at helicopters, telling them, 'You better come get my family.'"

Some Federal Emergency Management rescue operations were suspended in areas where gunfire has broken out, Homeland Security spokesman Russ Knocke said in Washington. "In areas where our employees have been determined to potentially be in danger, we have pulled back," he said.

A National Guard military policeman was shot in the leg as he and a man scuffled for the MP's rifle, police Capt. Ernie Demmo said. The man was arrested.

"These are good people. These are just scared people," Demmo said.

Outside the Convention Center, the sidewalks were packed with people without food, water or medical care, and with no sign of law enforcement. Thousands of storm refugees had been assembling outside for days, waiting for buses that did not come.

At least seven bodies were scattered outside, and hungry people broke through the steel doors to a food service entrance and began pushing out pallets of water and juice and whatever else they could find.

An old man in a chaise lounge lay dead in a grassy median as hungry babies wailed around him. Around the corner, an elderly woman lay dead in her wheelchair, covered with a blanket, and another body lay beside her wrapped in a sheet.

"I don't treat my dog like that," 47-year-old Daniel Edwards said as he pointed at the woman in the wheelchair. "I buried my dog." He added: "You can do everything for other countries but you can't do nothing for your own people. You can go overseas with the military but you can't get them down here."

The street outside the center, above the floodwaters, smelled of urine and feces, and was choked with dirty diapers, old bottles and garbage.

"They've been teasing us with buses for four days," Edwards said.

People chanted, "Help, help!" as reporters and photographers walked through. The crowd got angry when journalists tried to photograph one of the bodies, and covered it over with a blanket. A woman, screaming, went on the front steps of the convention center and led the crowd in reciting the 23rd Psalm.

John Murray, 52, said: "It's like they're punishing us."

The Superdome, where some 25,000 people were being evacuated by bus to the Houston Astrodome, descended into chaos as well.

Huge crowds, hoping to finally escape the stifling confines of the stadium, jammed the main concourse outside the dome, spilling out over the ramp to the Hyatt hotel next door - a seething sea of tense, unhappy, people packed shoulder-to-shoulder up to the barricades where heavily armed National Guardsmen stood.

At the front of the line, heavily armed policemen and guardsmen stood watch and handed out water as tense and exhausted crowds struggled onto buses. At the back end of the line, people jammed against police barricades in the rain. Luggage, bags of clothes, pillows, blankets were strewn in the puddles.

Many people had dogs and they cannot take them on the bus. A police officer took one from a little boy, who cried until he vomited. "Snowball, snowball," he cried. The policeman told a reporter he didn't know what would happen to the dog.

Fights broke out. A fire erupted in a trash chute inside the dome, but a National Guard commander said it did not affect the evacuation. After a traffic jam kept buses from arriving at the Superdome for nearly four hours, a near-riot broke out in the scramble to get on the buses that finally did show up.

Col. Henry Whitehorn, head of state police, said authorities are working on establishing a temporary jail to hold people accused of looting and other crimes. "These individuals will not take control of the city of New Orleans," he said.

The first of hundreds of busloads of people evacuated from the Superdome arrived early Thursday at their new temporary home - another sports arena, the Houston Astrodome, 350 miles away.

But the ambulance service in charge of taking the sick and injured from the Superdome suspended flights after a shot was reported fired at a military helicopter. Richard Zuschlag, chief of Acadian Ambulance, said it was too dangerous for his pilots.

The military, which was overseeing the removal of the able-bodied by buses, continued the ground evacuation without interruption, said National Guard Lt. Col. Pete Schneider. The government had no immediate confirmation of whether a military helicopter was fired on.

Terry Ebbert, head of the city's emergency operations, warned that the slow evacuation at the Superdome had become an "incredibly explosive situation," and he bitterly complained that FEMA was not offering enough help.

"This is a national emergency. This is a national disgrace," he said. "FEMA has been here three days, yet there is no command and control. We can send massive amounts of aid to tsunami victims, but we can't bail out the city of New Orleans."

In Texas, the governor's office said Texas has agreed to take in an additional 25,000 refugees from Katrina and plans to house them in San Antonio, though exactly where has not been determined.

In Washington, the White House said President Bush will tour the devastated Gulf Coast region on Friday and has asked his father and former President Clinton to lead a private fund-raising campaign for victims.

The president urged a crackdown on the lawlessness.

"I think there ought to be zero tolerance of people breaking the law during an emergency such as this - whether it be looting, or price gouging at the gasoline pump, or taking advantage of charitable giving or insurance fraud," Bush said. "And I've made that clear to our attorney general. The citizens ought to be working together."

On Wednesday, Mayor Ray Nagin offered the most startling estimate yet of the magnitude of the disaster: Asked how many people died in New Orleans, he said: "Minimum, hundreds. Most likely, thousands." The death toll has already reached at least 126 in Mississippi.

If the estimate proves correct, it would make Katrina the worst natural disaster in the United States since at least the 1906 San Francisco earthquake and fire, which was blamed for anywhere from about 500 to 6,000 deaths. Katrina would also be the nation's deadliest hurricane since 1900, when a storm in Galveston, Texas, killed between 6,000 and 12,000 people.

Nagin called for a total evacuation of New Orleans, saying the city had become uninhabitable for the 50,000 to 100,000 who remained behind after the city of nearly a half-million people was ordered cleared out over the weekend.

The mayor said that it will be two or three months before the city is functioning again and that people would not be allowed back into their homes for at least a month or two.

"We need an effort of 9-11 proportions," former New Orleans Mayor Marc Morial, now president of the Urban League, said on NBC's "Today" show.

"A great American city is fighting for its life," he added. "We must rebuild New Orleans, the city that gave us jazz, and music, and multiculturalism."

Lt. Gov. Mitch Landrieu toured the stricken areas said rescued people begged him to pass information to their families. His pocket was full of scraps of paper on which he had scribbled down their phone numbers.

When he got a working phone in the early morning hours Thursday, he contacted a woman whose father had been rescued and told her: "Your daddy's alive, and he said to tell you he loves you."

"She just started crying. She said, 'I thought he was dead,'" he said.

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Associated Press reporters Holbrook Mohr, Mary Foster, Robert Tanner, Allen G. Breed, Cain Burdeau, Jay Reeves and Brett Martel contributed to this report.
 
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Fuck Bush Fuck The Government if these folks weren t black they would have been dropped food down.......

Fuck the Government
 
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Sep 1, 7:15 PM (ET)
Associated Press
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<font size="3">NEW ORLEANS (AP) - New Orleans descended into anarchy Thursday, as corpses lay abandoned in street medians, fights and fires broke out and storm survivors battled for seats on the buses that would carry them away from the chaos. The tired and hungry seethed, saying they had been forsaken. "This is a desperate SOS," mayor Ray Nagin said.

"We are out here like pure animals," the Rev. Issac Clark said outside the New Orleans Convention Center, where he and other evacuees had been waiting for buses for days amid the filth and the dead.</font size>

http://apnews1.iwon.com//article/20050901/D8CBOMTOA.html?PG=home&SEC=news
 
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10.2 bil dollars for the hurricane victims............how much do they spend on the war in one day again..........just think about that for a minute
 
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dyhawk said:
10.2 bil dollars for the hurricane victims............how much do they spend on the war in one day again..........just think about that for a minute
Yeah, and how soon will it get to the REAL people in need ??? they needed it yesterday. As with troops on a battlefield, why not air-drop some emergency/survival provisions onto some dry spots in N.O. ??? Apparently there are some fools acting a damn fool in N.O., why not air-drop some people in there quick -- not only to restore some calm, but as a deterent to it in the first place ???

People along the gulf coast (where I live) know the tensions that follow any hurricane of some size. We know it and FEMA and the government know it because I've seen troops deployed too many times after hurricanes far less than Katrina to not only aid in the distribution of emergency supplies, but to ensure its done orderly and people are orderly. Believe me, they know what happens following hurricanes, especially devastating ones like this one -- especially when there are poor people without funds of their own to really help themselves. Shit gets really desperate.

Right now, I'm on the fringes of the devastation from Katrina and shit is hot as hell here as well - and people are on the verge of eruption.

QueEx
 
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Did anyone hear the interview with the mayor on cnn this morning, he made some very good points............should we assume that in 911 there were wealth people in the towers so the response was better...............what do you think
 
Katrina devastation highlights poverty of U.S. blacks

Katrina devastation highlights poverty of U.S. blacks
By John Whitesides
7 minutes ago

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Black leaders on Friday condemned the slow response to the devastation caused by Hurricane Katrina and said poor and mostly black storm victims in New Orleans were bearing the brunt of the suffering.

"We cannot allow it to be said by history that the difference between those who lived and those who died in this great storm and flood of 2005 was nothing more than poverty, age or skin color," said Rep. Elijah Cummings (news, bio, voting record), a Maryland Democrat and former head of the Congressional Black Caucus.

The overwhelming proportion of black people among the refugees, made clear to Americans by television coverage of huge black crowds pleading for water and food in New Orleans, has raised questions about the role of class and race in the response.

Blacks, who have suffered discrimination since the days of slavery and segregation in the southern United States, account for about two-thirds of the nearly 500,000 residents of New Orleans, according to census figures.

About 28 percent of them live below the poverty line, more than double the national poverty rate for Americans.

"Many of these Americans who are struggling to survive are Americans of color," Cummings told a news conference. "Their cries for assistance confront America with a test of our moral compass as a nation."

Among those left behind in New Orleans were residents without access to their own cars or those who could not afford to heed official warnings and leave the area before the hurricane, they said.

"If these people hadn't been poor and black, they wouldn't have been left in New Orleans in the first place," Rep. William Jefferson (news, bio, voting record), a black Democrat who represents most of New Orleans, said on the MSNBC cable network.

"The response time and all of the rest of it -- I don't know if it has anything to do with the fact that people are black. It has to do with the fact that people are poor and desperate and left in a situation where they didn't have a way out," Jefferson said.

"It's an indictment of our whole society, that at the bottom of the rungs all the time are poor African-Americans."

Republican House Leader Tom DeLay of Texas rejected any suggestion that race or class played a role in the hurricane's aftermath.

"To me that is just politics, those kind of statements," DeLay said. "We shouldn't be making those kinds of statements. We've got to be focused on the needs of people on the ground."

Congressional black leaders pleaded with President George W. Bush and federal disaster relief officials to speed aid and said they were stunned by the failure to feed and shelter refugees after the storm ripped through the region on Monday.

"In the last 140 or so hours we have witnessed something shockingly awful, and that is the lack of response, a quick response, from our government to those Americans who are suffering or dying," said Illinois Rep. Jesse Jackson Jr., son of the civil rights leader.

"Shame, shame on America. We were put to the test, and we have failed," said Rep. Diane Watson (news, bio, voting record), a black Democrat from California.

Cummings noted Bush's comment on Friday that the relief effort so far was "unacceptable."

"Unacceptable here sadly means people are dying," he said. "Hopefully, he will, as I have said many times, synchronize his conduct with his conscience."

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i think this is gonna to help people get away from tv news when they want knowledge.

every article i read from multiple sources always bring up the inadequate response to blacks and/or the poor. specifically those 2 groups.

i havent turned on the tv once for coverage. the internet and NPR is all the world has for any hint of reality.
 
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Katrina, Aftermath Galvanize Black America

Katrina, Aftermath Galvanize Black America
By JESSE WASHINGTON, Associated Press Writer
2 hours, 22 minutes ago

NEW YORK - To African-Americans, Hurricane Katrina has become a generation-defining catastrophe — a disaster with a predominantly black toll, tinged with racism. They've rallied to the cause with an unprecedented outpouring of activism and generosity.

The unlikely alliance touched by the disaster is not only donating money but gathering supplies, taking in friends and relatives, even heading south to help shoulder the burden of their people.

"You'd have to go back to slavery, or the burning of black towns, to find a comparable event that has affected black people this way," said Darnell M. Hunt, a sociologist and head of the African American studies department at UCLA.

If the rescue effort had not been so mishandled, and if those who suffered so needlessly had not been so black and so poor, perhaps Hurricane Katrina would have been just another destructive storm, alongside the likes of Charley and Andrew and Hugo. (There is no Keisha or Kwame.)

But Katrina's searing images — linking nature's wrath and the nation's wrongs — have fanned the smoldering resentments of the civil rights, Reaganomic and hip-hop eras all at once.

"Something about this is making people remember their own personal injustices," said author damali ayo, whose book "How to Rent a Negro" takes a satirical look at race relations.

"You don't look at Rodney King and say, 'I remember when I got beat up.' But people remember being neglected, unimportant, overlooked, thought of as 'less than.' That's a very common experience for black people."

Some 71 percent of blacks say the disaster shows that racial inequality remains a major problem in America, according to a survey by the Pew Research Center for the People & the Press, conducted Sept. 6-7 among 1,000 Americans; 56 percent of whites feel this was not a particularly important lesson.

And while 66 percent of blacks think the government's response would have been faster if most of the victims had been white, 77 percent of whites disagreed.

Many events have transfixed African-Americans: the Rodney King and O.J. Simpson cases, the killings of icons from Martin Luther King Jr. to Tupac Shakur, the crack cocaine epidemic, the Clarence Thomas confirmation hearings.

But Katrina is different. It has opened people's eyes — "The face, the cover has been pulled off the invisible poor," said Rev. Ronald E. Braxton of Metropolitan African Methodist Episcopal Church in Washington, D.C. — and it has created a rare opportunity for people of all backgrounds to make a tangible, immediate difference.

Braxton spoke as his congregation loaded a 50-foot tractor-trailer with antacid, diapers, food, water and other supplies destined for AME churches in Jackson, Miss. and Baton Rouge, La.

Before Independence Air volunteered to fly the supplies to the hurricane zone, Braxton turned away volunteers willing to drive 22 hours to Baton Rouge. In addition, he said, his church raised $20,000 last Sunday alone to send to the national AME relief effort.

Individuals have also stepped up. Kimberly Lowe of Philadelphia signed up on that city's Web site to host an evacuee in a spare bedroom.

"They just probably want to talk to regular folks and be in a real home," Lowe said. "There's nothing like being home."

Katrina has spurred other blacks to take crucial roles in relief efforts — and they're in a better position to help than they were even a decade ago, when rap still scared people and being paid $30 million per year to play basketball was beyond imagination.

Now billionaire Mississippi native Oprah Winfrey is bringing her top-rated show to the Katrina zone, famed defense attorney Willie Gary is planning to transport victims in his 737 jet, and rapper Kanye West can excoriate President Bush's response to the hurricane in front of a nationwide audience.

Tavis Smiley has devoted much of his television talk show to Katrina.

"I've seen black folk come together around any number of issues. It's usually either a head or a heart issue," he said. "For example, we came together after the election of 2000, when Bush essentially stole the election. That was a head issue. People were mad. Other issues hit our hearts; O.J. Simpson comes to mind."

With Katrina, "our head is saying we know that what happened here is wrong ... and our hearts at the same time go out to these people because we know, we feel their pain."

Many want to share it.

Hip-hop hitmaker Timbaland said that he is renting trucks, buying clothes and toys and heading "to the trenches" — first stop, the Houston Astrodome. He challenged peers who splurge on jewelry and cars to do the same, because "these people in the dome listen to our music."

"Don't give to no Red Cross, that's the easy way. Not to say anything bad about the Red Cross, but who knows where that money's going," the producer said. "Take your money and do your own thing."

Timbaland estimated he was spending several hundred thousand dollars, up there with Diddy and Jay-Z's half-million each. The donation of time, money and free performances by hip-hoppers is a watershed for what had become a largely apolitical genre.

"This is the most devastating thing to their community they've seen in their lifetime," said the original hip-hop mogul, Russell Simmons. "I've never seen a bigger outpouring of love and giving. I've never seen anything like it."

There is another reason Katrina resonates. Most blacks have family from "down South," a sort of symbolic womb from which black America slowly went its separate ways.

"We are a population in this country of black people, but do we feel like a community?" said ayo, the author. "What really makes a community?"

Shared experiences, perhaps?

"I think this is one," ayo said. Katrina "is at the central core of black culture and American culture ... I hope this is a turning point of some kind, a turning point for creating a larger community."

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On the Net:
http://www.blackamericaweb.com/relief
damali ayo: http://www.rent-a-negro.com
Tavis Smiley: http://www.tavistalks.com
Metropolitan AME Church: http://www.metropolitanamec.org

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Re: Help Brothers & Sisters in N.O.; So Black, So Poor, So Stranded

Had the residents of New Orleans been white Republicans in a state that mattered politically, instead of poor blacks in city that didn't, Bush's response surely would have been different. Compare what happened when hurricanes Charley and Frances hit Florida in 2004. Though the damage from those storms was negligible in relation to Katrina's, the reaction from the White House was instinctive, rapid, and generous to the point of profligacy. Bush visited hurricane victims four times in six weeks and delivered relief checks personally. Michael Brown of FEMA, now widely regarded as an incompetent political hack, was so responsive that local officials praised the agency's performance.

The author is race baiting. he could have easily asked what would happen if the hurricane hit a rich, republican black community would the government respond quicker? I don't think so because it's not about race the one aspect of this disaster nobody is talking about is America's crumbling infrastructure. We are over extended in foriegn countries, we have big budget problems, the wealth gap is too large, the government could not get to N.O. because we are broke and on the verge of collapsing these articles about race and class are just a way to distract people from the real problem.
 
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nittie said:
The author is race baiting. he could have easily asked what would happen if the hurricane hit a rich, republican black community would the government respond quicker? I don't think so because it's not about race the one aspect of this disaster nobody is talking about is America's crumbling infrastructure. We are over extended in foriegn countries, we have big budget problems, the wealth gap is too large, the government could not get to N.O. because we are broke and on the verge of collapsing these articles about race and class are just a way to distract people from the real problem.
The author didn't make a rich black republican city vs. a white republican city comparison because the the rich black republican city doesn't exist. If the response could not have been sooner and more robust, why is it that days late the government did get to New Orleans with just such a robust response ??? Once again, you're getting confused.

QueEx
 
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Define "robust" put it in some kind of context, what's robust for the richest country in history? 60 billion has been appropriated for the area which will run out next month then what? I asked if the response would be quicker if the economic conditions were different and I said I thought it wouldn't be because we don't have "robust" response capabilities anymore. I'm confused? remember just last week you were comparing the situation to Mogadishu now it's "robust".
 
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I can't help with your struggles with <u>comprehension</u>. Try RIF.

QueEx
 
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I didn't think you could, when I ask you to explain how N.O.L.A compared to Mogadishu you basically said it compared because you and your cousin said so.
 
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nittie said:
The author is race baiting. he could have easily asked what would happen if the hurricane hit a rich, republican black community would the government respond quicker? I don't think so because it's not about race the one aspect of this disaster nobody is talking about is America's crumbling infrastructure. We are over extended in foriegn countries, we have big budget problems, the wealth gap is too large, the government could not get to N.O. because we are broke and on the verge of collapsing these articles about race and class are just a way to distract people from the real problem.

How were these conditions any different from last fall when the response was overwhelming in FL??

We had troops and resources in Iraq then, the infrastructure wasn't significantly different then, just one year ago, we didn't have THAT much more money or resources....

but the response was largely different in these two cases.. why?

So, what do you blame this on?
 
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I'll be surprised if he comes back with a coherent response. Still looking for that black republican city he mentioned. But hope is ...

QueEx
 
Re: Help Brothers & Sisters in N.O.; So Black, So Poor, So Stranded

the non existence of a rich black republican town isnt the total fault of republicans.
the all too common existence of poor black democrat towns however is mostly the fault of the democrats and their policies.

th dems policy in NO have reigned supreme for decades. dem mayor and governor year after year for decades, and increasing rate of black poverty year after year for decades. at some point we have to call them on their excuse that its the republican fault.

i would like to see a rich black republican town, because that would mean a rich black town. but that would take a town full of black people buying into their values. for some reason thats damn near impossible compared to the town after town buying into the other side's values, which i would argue has proven to be a failed experiment.
 
Re: Help Brothers & Sisters in N.O.; So Black, So Poor, So Stranded

Nittie,

In attempting to respond to your last post which followed Greed's post above, somehow (I don't have a clue how) the entire post was deleted. I tried to back page to recover it, but that didn't work. My apologies.

QueEx
 
Re: Help Brothers & Sisters in N.O.; So Black, So Poor, So Stranded

QueEx said:
Nittie,

In attempting to respond to your last post which followed Greed's post above, somehow (I don't have a clue how) the entire post was deleted. I tried to back page to recover it, but that didn't work. My apologies.

QueEx
Good post QUE! QUE! I think you have good insight on allota thinga man! you need to be more vocal on BGOL like TEN! man! we dont hear enough from you man! you the silent MOD! much respect brugh! DUKE!
 
Re: Help Brothers & Sisters in N.O.; So Black, So Poor, So Stranded

QueEx said:
Nittie,

In attempting to respond to your last post which followed Greed's post above, somehow (I don't have a clue how) the entire post was deleted. I tried to back page to recover it, but that didn't work. My apologies.

QueEx
CENSORSHIP
 
• Unreleased DVD Warns Poor: Save Yourself •

<font size="6"><center>Unreleased DVD Warns Poor:
Save Yourself</font size>

<font size="5">New Orleans had a plan to warn the poor,
but it sat on a shelf in L.A</font size></center>

Los Angeles Times
By Nicholas Riccardi and James Rainey, Times Staff Writers
September 13, 2005

NEW ORLEANS — After years of warnings, community leaders this summer prepared a video guide to hurricane evacuations with a stark message: Many of this city's poor, including 134,000 without cars, could be left behind in a killer storm.

But the 30-minute DVD still has not arrived. Some 70,000 of the newly minted videos that were to be released this month remain on warehouse shelves in Los Angeles.

Their warning: Save yourself, and help your neighbors if you can.

"Don't wait for the city, don't wait for the state, don't wait for the Red Cross," the Rev. Marshall Truehill warns in the public service announcement.

The program, titled "Preparing for the Big One," was one of several related but incomplete plans aimed in particular at the one-quarter of the city's population that did not own cars or have ready transportation out of town in the event of evacuation orders.

Churches had agreed to provide rides to those without cars as part of "Operation Brother's Keeper," but a pilot program had been started in only four large congregations.

The Regional Transit Authority, the city's bus system, had a plan to transport people from a dozen pre-designated evacuation points, but some residents reported waiting interminably for buses that didn't show up as the storm bore down Aug. 28.

From the Federal Emergency Management Agency to the state government and City Hall, officials knew that the poorest residents in the city would be in danger if New Orleans took a direct or near-hit from a major hurricane. Not only did so many lack the means to flee in an evacuation, but they also tended to live in geographically vulnerable, low-lying parts of town.

"It almost makes me want to cry," Truehill, 57, said of the unfinished evacuation plans during an interview in his temporary Baton Rouge, La., office Monday. "We knew we were going to lose thousands of lives."

Ann Duplessis, the Democratic state senator who represents the Lower 9th Ward, where many of the city's poor lived, said officials had been working on a solution.

"Within nine months a lot happened," Duplessis said. "A strategy was developed. The tapes were done. Commercials were prepared…. [The hurricane] just came too fast."

National Guard Lt. Col. William J. Doran III, who heads Louisiana's emergency response system, said that the state's disaster plan had been 90% complete when Katrina struck. Only the transportation element "hadn't been fleshed out," Doran said.

Those trying to clear the city in advance of the deadly storm faced obstacles besides the dearth of vehicles in the poor sections of the city.

Most significant, residents of the Crescent City had been numbed by years of warnings about hurricanes that either petered out or turned before they reached New Orleans.

"People don't understand this who don't live down here, but when a voluntary evacuation comes, people choose not to go. They have been through hundreds of these," said a state health official who asked not to be named because she was not authorized to speak to the news media. "Then when it's a mandatory evacuation, sometimes it's too late."

The hurricane threat confronting New Orleans' poor had been an open secret for years. In September 2002, FEMA called a meeting with city and church leaders to discuss how to assure that no one was left behind, Truehill recalled.

But even as officials tried to work with community groups and churches to find a solution, problems arose. Among them was a concern that residents and parishioners who gave their neighbors lifts out of the city could face legal liability if something went wrong.

Democratic state Sen. Francis C. Heitmeier last year introduced legislation to release drivers in a hurricane emergency from liability, and the measure passed easily in the Senate. But it encountered unexpected opposition in the Louisiana House of Representatives. Some members wondered, for instance, whether a drunken driver could escape responsibility for an accident if he or she was transporting an evacuee.

Heitmeier recalled arguing, "Why would y'all want to vote against poor people getting out from a storm?" But to no avail. The bill died.

The lack of liability protection slowed progress, and only the four churches were involved in the pilot program.

That left the DVD as a stopgap. The city contracted to have the program produced by Total Community Action. Truehill, pastor of the city's First Baptist Church, heads the community group's faith-based network.

Had the DVDs been ready in time, they would have been delivered through churches in the city. Truehill said he believed that, even in poor parts of town, residents had the equipment to play the discs.

The messages from Duplessis, Mayor C. Ray Nagin and other officials were also supposed to be broadcast on television as public service announcements.

But it was only at 11:30 a.m. Sunday, Aug. 28, about 18 hours before Katrina made landfall, that most residents would even have heard anything about "Preparing for the Big One."

That's when Truehill appeared on the local ABC-TV affiliate in a taped segment to tell viewers that the helpful DVD was coming soon.

A copy of the DVD, reviewed by The Times, shows Truehill in a series of on-camera chats with co-host Allan Katz, a local public relations executive, and other civic and state leaders. The minister says, "It's your personal responsibility" to escape before a hurricane.

Also on the DVD, Nagin says that public schools are no longer considered safe as city shelters.

"Everybody needs to have their own plans," Nagin says. "Check with your neighbors, check with your relatives."

The program also features advice on how to clear storm drains, pack an evacuation kit and ensure adequate medical supplies. A representative from the Louisiana Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals gives advice on how to keep a pet safe.

Duplessis displays her own evacuation toolbox, a plastic case stuffed with necessities such as flashlights, jumper cables and a battery-powered television.

But for people without transportation, the DVD offers little beyond advising them to find a ride with someone.

Other plans to aid evacuation remained unfinished as well.

Truehill's organization had secured promises from Amtrak to ferry carless residents to safety, for example. There were reports that at least one Amtrak train got out of the city with evacuees.

Some 275 public buses had been lined up to carry the most vulnerable from the city, but drivers were in short supply. Recruitment of bus drivers was barely underway when the storm shut it down.

A plan to warehouse life vests and rubber rafts also remained on the drawing board. Truehill said he had intended to submit an acquisition plan to the city. But even then, city leaders had been counting on federal funding to put much of the plan into place.

At least one goal had been met: the distribution of 700,000 pamphlets specifying what items to bring during an evacuation. Red Cross officials say the pamphlets' advice apparently was heeded by many who fled the storm.

Even if the entire plan had been operational, it contemplated 72 hours' notice to get everyone out. Only half that time was left when mandatory evacuation orders were issued by Nagin and Gov. Kathleen Babineaux Blanco.

Truehill himself had no time to try salvaging elements of his plan. Like most residents, he had learned that Katrina had turned toward the city the morning of Saturday, Aug. 27. He spent the day scrambling to board up his home and his church, then rushed his family out of town hours before his pre-recorded image appeared on New Orleans television.

The last reasonable chance to escape Katrina passed Sunday afternoon. The storm made landfall on the coast at 6:10 the next morning.

The potential danger had become clear at least three years earlier at FEMA's meeting with local religious and political leaders. It was held in the conference room of the Archdiocese of New Orleans.

Truehill recalled that FEMA officials showed the gathering a computer simulation, called a slosh model, predicting floodwaters rising to the horse's hoofs of Gen. Stonewall Jackson's statue in the French Quarter.

Detailed surveys and census data had revealed a relatively low percentage of car ownership in much of the city. In the Lower 9th Ward, 36% live below the poverty level; nearly one-third of residents had no car.

Concluded Rev. Truehill: "We knew neither the city nor anyone else had the means to move those people."

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationw...3sep13,0,5876683.story?coll=la-home-headlines
 
Re: • Unreleased DVD Warns Poor: Save Yourself •

Hmm... interesting story. Why did it take so long for evacuation plans to begin? It says that over the past 9 months, they've prepared about 90% of the plans, but what about before 9 months ago?

Sounds like everyone was ill-prepared.. Bush just accepted responsibility for the Fed's poor response.
 
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