FUTURE EXPATS: Before you say goodbye to the United States of ameriKKKa don't forget...........

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LEAVE YOUR DEBTS and JUDGEMENTS STATESIDE! The US has no financial agreement with any country for assisting in the collection of bad debt. Any unpaid bills you leave behind will go to collection agencies, then time-out by statute. Your credit score is meaningless once you leave the US. They cannot tap your foreign bank account, nor can they put a lien on your social security. I wouldn't recommend doing this if you still hold any property or land or accounts in the US. You really gotta be ready to divest and say goodbye, and at that point... FUCK YOUR DEBTS!



What happens to debt and judgments if you leave the U.S.?

What is the significance of a judgment if the debtor has left the US? Can a judgment be enforced in a foreign land? If you go on addressing the first issue, we should initially discuss whether or not a debt contract is enforceable outside the US. The answer is simply ‘No’. Again, if a U.S. judgment entered against you and you leave the country, the creditor has no right to sue you or collect from you while you are abroad.

You might not know but there is no bilateral agreement or multilateral international convention in effect between the United States and any other country on reciprocal recognition and enforcement of judgments. Though there are many reasons behind the absence of such a treaty, the principal reason seems to be the common belief of many foreign states that the U.S. money judgments are excessive as per their notions of liability. Moreover, some foreign nations have raised objection regarding the extraterritorial jurisdiction asserted by courts in the United States. Now, in absence of such a treaty, whether foreign courts would put into effect judgments issued by U.S. courts completely depends upon the internal laws of the foreign countries and international comity. In many foreign nations as well as in most US jurisdictions, local domestic law and the principles of comity, reciprocity and res judicata govern the acknowledgment and enforcement of extraterrestrial judgments.

SituationAffect on CreditWhat if You Come Back
You have outstanding credit card, auto or mortgage balances and you leave the country.The creditors charge off the debts and sell to CAs. Your credit report will experience a severe negative mark, which will remain there for 7 years.
However, if you’re away for more than 7 years, there will be no effect on your credit score unless a judgment is entered before the completion of the SOL period.
If you return and see that the Statute of Limitations period has not expired, you could be sued.
You have unpaid debt in collections.Your credit report has already received a negative mark. Chances are there that you could be sued and have a judgment entered against you.If you arrive after the SOL period, the collection agency can sue you, but would never win the case. If the CA still try to collect from you, send them a ‘cease and desist letter’.
You are sued for an unpaid debt after leaving the country.If the lender wins and receives a judgment against you, your credit report will have a blow. However, a judgment can only stay in your credit report for 7 years.If the lender gets a judgment against you, and if you return after a long gap, it may be too late to appeal for the judgment as the average time period to appeal is 1 year depending on your state.
You have to pay the debt as per the judgment if the SOL period has not expired.
You get a judgment against them while out of the country.You’ll see a black spot on your credit report. However, the judgment will stay in your credit only for 7 years.If the lender gets a judgment against you, and if you return after a long gap, it may be too late to appeal for the judgment as the average time period is 1 year depending on your state.
You have to pay the as per the judgment if the SOL period has not expired.
You already have a judgment against you when leaving the country.You’ll see a black spot on your credit report. However, the judgment will stay in your credit only for 7 years.By the time you return, you may have to pay off the judgment if it has not passed the statute of limitations period.

Can a creditor sue you when you're in a foreign land?
If you are staying out of the country, your lenders may face several problems while suing you. In a few cases, keeping in mind the loan arrangement and local laws, the server might required to serve you the judgment in that specific county where the loan arrangement was actually made. In some cases, a loan agreement may specify in which state legal arguments and court cases must be settled.
Logically, it’s not legal if a creditor sues you in a county or state where you do not currently reside. Now, why is this prohibited? Actually, in most cases, according to state court rules, a creditor must sue in the county and/or state of the debtor’s present residence.
If you know that you have unpaid debts, and you are thinking of returning to the U.S., it’s wise to keep an eye on what is happening with your debts. If there are chances of harassment and lawsuit in case you come back, you should better stay abroad for some more time.




 
LEAVE YOUR DEBTS and JUDGEMENTS STATESIDE! The US has no financial agreement with any country for assisting in the collection of bad debt. Any unpaid bills you leave behind will go to collection agencies, then time-out by statute. Your credit score is meaningless once you leave the US. They cannot tap your foreign bank account, nor can they put a lien on your social security. I wouldn't recommend doing this if you still hold any property or land or accounts in the US. You really gotta be ready to divest and say goodbye, and at that point... FUCK YOUR DEBTS!



What happens to debt and judgments if you leave the U.S.?

What is the significance of a judgment if the debtor has left the US? Can a judgment be enforced in a foreign land? If you go on addressing the first issue, we should initially discuss whether or not a debt contract is enforceable outside the US. The answer is simply ‘No’. Again, if a U.S. judgment entered against you and you leave the country, the creditor has no right to sue you or collect from you while you are abroad.

You might not know but there is no bilateral agreement or multilateral international convention in effect between the United States and any other country on reciprocal recognition and enforcement of judgments. Though there are many reasons behind the absence of such a treaty, the principal reason seems to be the common belief of many foreign states that the U.S. money judgments are excessive as per their notions of liability. Moreover, some foreign nations have raised objection regarding the extraterritorial jurisdiction asserted by courts in the United States. Now, in absence of such a treaty, whether foreign courts would put into effect judgments issued by U.S. courts completely depends upon the internal laws of the foreign countries and international comity. In many foreign nations as well as in most US jurisdictions, local domestic law and the principles of comity, reciprocity and res judicata govern the acknowledgment and enforcement of extraterrestrial judgments.

SituationAffect on CreditWhat if You Come Back
You have outstanding credit card, auto or mortgage balances and you leave the country.The creditors charge off the debts and sell to CAs. Your credit report will experience a severe negative mark, which will remain there for 7 years.
However, if you’re away for more than 7 years, there will be no effect on your credit score unless a judgment is entered before the completion of the SOL period.
If you return and see that the Statute of Limitations period has not expired, you could be sued.
You have unpaid debt in collections.Your credit report has already received a negative mark. Chances are there that you could be sued and have a judgment entered against you.If you arrive after the SOL period, the collection agency can sue you, but would never win the case. If the CA still try to collect from you, send them a ‘cease and desist letter’.
You are sued for an unpaid debt after leaving the country.If the lender wins and receives a judgment against you, your credit report will have a blow. However, a judgment can only stay in your credit report for 7 years.If the lender gets a judgment against you, and if you return after a long gap, it may be too late to appeal for the judgment as the average time period to appeal is 1 year depending on your state.
You have to pay the debt as per the judgment if the SOL period has not expired.
You get a judgment against them while out of the country.You’ll see a black spot on your credit report. However, the judgment will stay in your credit only for 7 years.If the lender gets a judgment against you, and if you return after a long gap, it may be too late to appeal for the judgment as the average time period is 1 year depending on your state.
You have to pay the as per the judgment if the SOL period has not expired.
You already have a judgment against you when leaving the country.You’ll see a black spot on your credit report. However, the judgment will stay in your credit only for 7 years.By the time you return, you may have to pay off the judgment if it has not passed the statute of limitations period.
Can a creditor sue you when you're in a foreign land?

If you are staying out of the country, your lenders may face several problems while suing you. In a few cases, keeping in mind the loan arrangement and local laws, the server might required to serve you the judgment in that specific county where the loan arrangement was actually made. In some cases, a loan agreement may specify in which state legal arguments and court cases must be settled.
Logically, it’s not legal if a creditor sues you in a county or state where you do not currently reside. Now, why is this prohibited? Actually, in most cases, according to state court rules, a creditor must sue in the county and/or state of the debtor’s present residence.
If you know that you have unpaid debts, and you are thinking of returning to the U.S., it’s wise to keep an eye on what is happening with your debts. If there are chances of harassment and lawsuit in case you come back, you should better stay abroad for some more time.






"And when you're gone, you stay gone, or you be gone. You lost all your American privilege"
 
Fuck debt and credit cards

yea its a scam.. but if you ass is out and about and someone steals your walled, no cash,

but racks up thousands of dollars in credit.. after an investigation

ninety nine percent change you getting all that credit restored back

one they find out it was theft....

you get got, for a couple of stax in cash....

good luck gettin that shit back....

plus when you use credit for everyday shit, you get

something back..

with cash the dopest part, is knowing a muthafucka aint trackin

all your fuckin purchases, data mining yo ass...

its a great benefit.. but about the only....

but if people say... fuck the dollar, and go back to REAL MONEY..

silver, gold, copper etc..

this system as we know it, will fold overnight, and american as a financial powerhouse will be on its last leg.

with only the military backin it up and thats still is one helluva strong leg..

for now...
 
"And when you're gone, you stay gone, or you be gone. You lost all your American privilege"

if you have a family member or friend you can trust... and put your assets in their name..

you can still hold on to privileges.

I personally dont have any debt issues, may not be the richest dude on the world but a knigga debt free..

so I will just live out the country for one to three months a year...

during winter months....

cant wait..
 
If you do not go to the American Embassy and renounce your citizenship, you should be able to keep your American privileges.
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Let me help you guys on a hunch.... if you're talking about voting you can always vote, whether you're in debt up to you ears, if you left tons of bad debts in the US and moved to Timbuktu, you can still vote by mail... nobody cares. You still get your pension, social security and Medicare....but keeping in mind in all but the rarest cases you need to return to the US for Medicare treatment. And you can do that. Need back surgery or whatever, fly to the US, get your surgery, fly back to wherever. No FBI waiting for you at the airport cause you didn't pay off you Visa Card. It aint that deep. Millions of people get debt written off every year as noncollectable. You can still visit the US embassy in the new country you live in. They have really good peppermints and pamphlets and they'll make a phone call on your behalf... thats all the fuck they were gonna do for you whether you left unpaid bills or not. What else?
 
Post of the year. Fair letting you know the pros and cons. I been gone 9 years now. I go and come as I please. I left all my college debt and dont even recieve mail for it anymore.

Me and Mister T and a few others keep reminding yall, this is doable.

Live in an all Black Nation, where everyone speaks English (or you can still learn a language), and bring any any any of the businesses you see work in America to your new home.

One Love
 
Shiiiettt for my student loans they gonna have to come find me in some third world country with a whole new identity.
 
Shiiiettt for my student loans they gonna have to come find me in some third world country with a whole new identity.
Student loans are a bit different in one way .... if you leave the US as a younger person and never plan on collecting US Social Security then you're fine.... they aren't wasting their time with you, but if you have worked in the US some length of time and plan on collecting SS then they can and will deduct up to 15% of your SS check to recover what they can of your school debt. So you have to do the math and see if it's worth it. Probably still is.
 
Post of the year. Fair letting you know the pros and cons. I been gone 9 years now. I go and come as I please. I left all my college debt and dont even receive mail for it anymore.

Me and Mister T and a few others keep reminding yall, this is doable.

Live in an all Black Nation, where everyone speaks English (or you can still learn a language), and bring any any any of the businesses you see work in America to your new home.

One Love
I'll add this much also... IF you plan to ever learn a new language, start doing it when you're young as possible. I can attest, and know many others who can attest that learning a new language gets exponentially more difficult the older your brain gets. Don't knew why, but I can find a whole tribe of folks who'll tell you the same.
 
This info is 8 years old... We need an update.

I found this....



 
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So is this thread about running from your debt and responsibilities or about choosing an alternate life? Haven't read all the responses
 
Post of the year. Fair letting you know the pros and cons. I been gone 9 years now. I go and come as I please. I left all my college debt and dont even recieve mail for it anymore.

Me and Mister T and a few others keep reminding yall, this is doable.

Live in an all Black Nation, where everyone speaks English (or you can still learn a language), and bring any any any of the businesses you see work in America to your new home.

One Love
You’re 100% right. I’ve been gone 9 as well
 
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I have been gone for 11 years and I gained citizenship in my current country.

I can confirm all this shit.

I also recommend that you get citizenship of the country that you are living in for more rights.

And renouncing your US citizenship costs a grip thanks to Obama.


It's not as simple as going to an embassy and renouncing.....you also have to drop $2350 as well.

I was going to renounce until ADOS came out....which made me think deeply about where Im from and what Im owed.

Now, Im trying to get my Canadian kids dual citizenship with the US.

Also, if you are an expat, you are supposed to pay US taxes. Unless you are balling out of control, you will just get a tax credit from filing taxes in your current country.

You will continue to get perks if you pay taxes.....for instance...I received a stimulus cheque in the mail this year.

If you have any true ex-pat questions (to the point of new citizenship), I can help.
 
I have been gone for 11 years and I gained citizenship in my current country.

I can confirm all this shit.

I also recommend that you get citizenship of the country that you are living in for more rights.

And renouncing your US citizenship costs a grip thanks to Obama.


It's not as simple as going to an embassy and renouncing.....you also have to drop $2350 as well.

I was going to renounce until ADOS came out....which made me think deeply about where Im from and what Im owed.

Now, Im trying to get my Canadian kids dual citizenship with the US.

Also, if you are an expat, you are supposed to pay US taxes. Unless you are balling out of control, you will just get a tax credit from filing taxes in your current country.

You will continue to get perks if you pay taxes.....for instance...I received a stimulus cheque in the mail this year.

If you have any true ex-pat questions (to the point of new citizenship), I can help.


Great info. I dont think I am gonna give up my us passport just because of the global access it still gives me. Thats the ONLY reason tho. Global access to travel.

I am also a down to help in anyway for anyone who got questions about this topic. I know alot of hate comes towards anyone doing anything different. it makes alot of black americans feel super uncomfy. So instead of saluting you for doing what you wanna do they will say some corny shit in the comments. But speak up we have seen what they have not.
 
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