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Zelenskyy to speak at EU summit as European leaders discuss use of frozen Russian assets for Ukraine loan – Europe live
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Ukraine: EU proposal for using frozen Russian assets 'fully legal and fair'
The Ukrainian president, Volodymyr Zelenskyy, urged European Union leaders on Thursday to agree as soon as possible on a plan to use frozen Russian assets to support Ukraine.Zelenskyy, who is visiting Brussels, said on X that the proposed mechanism for using frozen Russian assets was entirely legal and fair. He said Ukraine would use a significant part of the assets to buy weapons from its European allies.
Belgium has been the most vocal sceptic of the plan, as it fears the move could open up the country to costly legal challenges from Russia. The prime minister, Bart De Wever, has insisted that to move ahead Belgium needs firm guarantees from all other EU states that they will share the liability if Moscow comes calling. He also wants other countries in the bloc to promise to start tapping Russian assets frozen in their territories.
“Then we could go forward,” he said at the start of the EU summit. “If not, I will do everything in my power at the European level, also at the national level, politically and legally, to stop this decision.”
Despite the Belgian hang-ups, EU leaders are expected to give the go-ahead at the summit for the European Commission to draw up a formal legal proposal for the loan.
EU officials say they hope to have a detailed proposal ready next month and be able to finalise the loan by the end of the year. But there looks set to still be wrangling over the small print, with lawyers poised to go through it with a fine-tooth comb.
One key sticking point could be the conditions for how the funds can eventually be spent by Kyiv. France is insisting that the bulk of the funds goes to buying weapons from in Europe, as it seeks to bolster the EU’s defence industry.
The commission has backed that argument for now but other member states insist the focus should be on allowing Kyiv to get what it needs to fight Moscow, wherever it comes from.
So if you were in charge of Germany and the EU, you'd let Putin invade Ukraine and wouldn't try to stop him?
Ukraine has to have some resources to offer in exchange for protection from a madman trying to commit mass murder and unlawfully invade their land?
If I was in charge of Germany I definitely wouldn’t never pushed to cripple Russia.
The push to wage war with Russia has been in the play. Using Ukraine is/was the recent attempt
The German people are suffering at the hands of their leadership and being compressed by Washington and NATO.
Why the fuck would I want to pay a zillions time more for LNG from Washington when I can get cheaper prices from Russia. The same LNG mind you.
USA - $65 mmbtu
Russia - $1015 mmbtu
Lets just add to this that Ukraine is not part of the European Union, so the EU had no issue with what was going on over there in Ukraine. If you look at the conflict between these two countries, everything started back in 2014. Also make note of the actions the Ukrainian government were taking against the ethnic Russians living in Ukraine, hence why the special military conflict happened.
Since this conflict has started, the UK energy bills have gone up almost threefold since. So much so that the UK government had to issue additional financial support to help those less well off.
So.... what's your answers to my actual questions?
You answered (kind of) one question. So what about the EU?
The EU as a whole is in the same situation.
To be honest many leaders knew this wasnt gonna end well for them.
Those resources is what Ukraine was after from jump. The problem is they didn’t have the power to send a hurricane to that Donbas and destroy it then tell the people this land is no inhabitable.
So killing folks was the method, like what’s happening in Gaza. So yes the resources is there. The EU is being lead by a bunch of incompetent politicians and got played.
The talking points that Ukraine and Russia agreed upon would’ve kept this from continuing.
Boris Johnson was ordered to Kiev and expressed “NATO will support Ukraine to the last Ukrainian, just don’t sign an agreement”.
What’s happened since then:
many people dead
Many of those political leaders are jobless
Many EU economics are bad
uSA paused shipments of LNG to EU
after singing new contractsThose lands that housed those resources are now Russian land.
Trump threaten to leave NATO
And so on
In all I definitely would’ve tried to hold my position and kept relationships with Moscow.
Washington pressed with this plan of surrounding Russia now look at the situation.
Washington don’t have the facilities to refine rare earths, not many places have the capacity
The cost of normally living commodities went up, electricity went up all for what. Washington benefit.
The kicker was after all of that the Orange fucker expressed the desire for Greenland, then place more tariffs on EU nations.
I definitely know calling Moscow would have been my next move asking, “what would it take to make this right again”
Looking at that situation, I would have looked at either the option of sending my country into a war with Russia, or alternatively, send weapons and assistance to Ukraine to help them fight Russia. I believe that this is the option that the EU chose. Seems that they were more comfortable with a proxy war rather than directly confront the Russians.
As for those resources, most of them are in the east, which is now under Russian control. The purchase of Ukrainian land by non-gov organizations has already begun.
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