Does ‘down low’ culture make black women homophobic?

ballscout1

Rising Star
BGOL Investor
black-couple-at-bar-e1337874525813.jpg


When a little black girl is born, instead of diapers and pink onesies, people should consider luggage; she’ll need it to collect all the problems dropped at her feet as she matures into a black woman in America.

If you let the media tell it, we — black women — are so domineering and emasculating that we’re on autopilot, molding generations of black men who are nothing more than uneducated, couch-hopping, prison-record-having, baby-making machines. You and I — being the smart, observant, people that we are with a diverse number of friends, family and acquaintances in the black community—know that this is most certainly not the whole story of our rich culture.

theGrio: Tameka Raymond tweets make her poster child for ‘down low’ fear

However, homophobia in the black community is an ugly reality and as black women, and therefore members of that community, we must acknowledge and own our part in that. When we think of homophobia we think of the extremes. We think of people assaulting gay men on the street or bullying people to the point of suicide, but that’s not all there is to homophobia and intolerance of homosexuality.

“It ain’t no good black men out there. Most of them are drug addicts, in jail, or homos. The good ones know they the sh*t so they got 10 women at a time, leaving babies all over the place.” That sounds like the transcription from one of those Black Women Will All Die Single and Sad television specials that were all the rage a year or two ago, but it’s actually a quote from Spike Lee’s 1991 film Jungle Fever. That line was spoken during a scene were a group of black women were consoling a friend and bemoaning the lack of “good” black men.

Funny how a quote from a (fictional) black women over 20 years ago about the frustration of finding a suitable black male mate still resonates with how some women feel today. Even more interesting though is the inclusion of homosexuality in that mini-tirade about black men who are not up to par.

J.L. King and his incessant media blitz in the early 2000’s about the lives of men on the “down low” (men who sleep with men, but do not consider themselves to be “gay” and live publicly as straight men) struck a nerve. Black women in particular were put on alert and some began to question the sexuality of their significant others. It became a running joke of sorts. A man who didn’t want you was probably on the down low, right?

Beyond the not-so-veiled slights at homosexual activity as a result of a romantic rebuff, some black women have taken it further to how they raise their sons. Have you ever heard a black mother reprimand her son for being too “sensitive” and throw in something about not being a punk, a sissy or a f*g? These moments matter and this type of behavior creates environments that are intolerant of homosexuality and therefore breed gay men who feel the need to hide who they really are. That’s not to say that “down low” men are the complete victims. Regardless of sexual orientation, not being honest with yourself and/or your partner is not being a man at all.

When journalist Don Lemon was promoting his book (post-coming out) he said that being a gay black man was the worst thing you could be in the black community. Some hemmed and hawed at that, but it’s a claim that is hard to ignore. Some black men chastise you and some black women look at you with disdain for not being the IBM (Ideal Black Male).

So, are black women part of the problem with homophobia in the black community? Some are, yes. We are not the whole issue and our views are not as monolithic, basic and black/white as Dr. Boyce Watkins might have you believe, but we are in this conversation and we must be honest.

Follow Demetria Irwin on Twitter at @Love_Is_Dope
 
It makes them gullible. Somehow this went from episodes on Oprah with White men to a "Black problem" all because of slick marketing for a few books and lonely Black women were enabled to blame their relationship failures on someone else.
 
Are black women homophobic? It seems black women love homos. In fact I would gamble many sistas get this fear of the dl man from hanging with homos who always tell them everybody is gay like them. They just accuse straight men of fronting and the women eat it up.

Acussing bm of being on the dl is not necessarily homophobic. Its just another way of saying niggas aint sh*t. Just one of many passed on from generation to generation.
 
people with phobias are scared of something...i will repeat no one is scared of fags...stop using 1 of da dumbest terms in modern day history...if a man who's a queer walks into a room no one is terrified, fainting, having panic attacks, crying, breaking out into sweats, shaking or any of the symptoms of phobia's
 
Dayum, don't you niggas get tired of talking about this shit? There's more talk about gay shit than there is about bitches & how to make money.
 
It makes them gullible. Somehow this went from episodes on Oprah with White men to a "Black problem" all because of slick marketing for a few books and lonely Black women were enabled to blame their relationship failures on someone else.

:smh: Why do you talk about things you have no experience in? You're not a black woman. You haven't dated black men. You don't have any idea what it's like being a black woman, dating black men and the things that happen and what is found out about. No shade. Just honest right here. This doesn't make sense. How many black men have you dated and later found out they were messing around with men? How many have you married and found out the same thing?
 
:smh: Why do you talk about things you have no experience in? You're not a black woman. You haven't dated black men. You don't have any idea what it's like being a black woman, dating black men and the things that happen and what is found out about. No shade. Just honest right here. This doesn't make sense. How many black men have you dated and later found out they were messing around with men? How many have you married and found out the same thing?

them titties tho..
 
:smh: Why do you talk about things you have no experience in? You're not a black woman. You haven't dated black men. You don't have any idea what it's like being a black woman, dating black men and the things that happen and what is found out about. No shade. Just honest right here. This doesn't make sense. How many black men have you dated and later found out they were messing around with men? How many have you married and found out the same thing?


Uh huh.

Anyway,

Here's how you shut me up

Show the numbers, real statistics about how many Black women dated/married men that were gay and show that it's a serious, massive problem. Otherwise, it's just talk heard on radio or magazines, not exactly scientific barometers.
 
Uh huh.

Anyway,

Here's how you shut me up

Show the numbers, real statistics about how many Black women dated/married men that were gay and show that it's a serious, massive problem. Otherwise, it's just talk heard on radio or magazines, not exactly scientific barometers.

Exactly. This is a small time issue that was hyped for profit by JL King and Oprah. I'm not saying it don't happen, but I haven't seen anything to suggest that it happens in the numbers for it to warrant the attention that it gets.
 
Exactly. This is a small time issue that was hyped for profit by JL King and Oprah. I'm not saying it don't happen, but I haven't seen anything to suggest that it happens in the numbers for it to warrant the attention that it gets.

That's my point exactly. Of course it happens. But a woman has a much better chance losing her man to a woman than a man but "dog bites man" isn't news and doesn't sell books. Now women who have never had that happen to them talk about worrying about "down low" men like they were doing great before.
 
:smh: Why do you talk about things you have no experience in? You're not a black woman. You haven't dated black men. You don't have any idea what it's like being a black woman, dating black men and the things that happen and what is found out about. No shade. Just honest right here. This doesn't make sense. How many black men have you dated and later found out they were messing around with men? How many have you married and found out the same thing?


Not to be offensive but you do the exact same thing in most debates. You argue from a perspective you have never experienced as a man and most of the time it makes absolutely no scenes but you act like its gospel.
 
These people will do anything to make women feel like victims. Im starting to belive alot of these women actually like being victims in all aspects of life. Because now they are just reaching for shit.

Woman embrace faggots way faster than they would a straight man. I mean a straight guy could see a chick walking in the mall. Dude could be the talent director for a big modeling company and wants to offer her a 7 figure contract. Before dude can pronunce the e sound on excuse me, eyes going to roll and mouths going to twist. But they will fucks with a fag all day.
 
No offense to the Op,I think this is a stupid thread. I'm assuming the OP is black and grew up around black people and I'm also going to assume that since this is Black Girl Online that most of us are black.
With that being said we all know that black women love gay dudes and are swinging both ways furiously and openly at this point.From all the comments I can see everyone basically agrees. So yeah black women are not homophobic it's quite the opposite. Sooooo, case closed man.
 
These people will do anything to make women feel like victims. Im starting to belive alot of these women actually like being victims in all aspects of life. Because now they are just reaching for shit.

Woman embrace faggots way faster than they would a straight man. I mean a straight guy could see a chick walking in the mall. Dude could be the talent director for a big modeling company and wants to offer her a 7 figure contract. Before dude can pronunce the e sound on excuse me, eyes going to roll and mouths going to twist. But they will fucks with a fag all day.

Sums it all up right there.

Women fall for the bullshit every time. Just ask Stever Harvey. He is making millions off of it.
 
SSSOOOO....

What's the excuse for all these Lesbian/Bi Black Women?

Black Gay Dudes are one thing. But will someone please tell me why the hypocrisy in regards to Black Lesbians and Bisexuals?

There's some major hardcore Lesbian/Bi Sistas out there.
And no one says shit.
 
Down low?

Most of these (if not ALL )women who got caught up with DL brothers know they are gay.

The problem is some women believe that they can change men and some are just plain naive or refuse to pay attention to the red flags.
 
Not to be offensive but you do the exact same thing in most debates. You argue from a perspective you have never experienced as a man and most of the time it makes absolutely no scenes but you act like its gospel.

Waiting for the response to THIS.

I guess the Tuff got goin.
 
SSSOOOO....

What's the excuse for all these Lesbian/Bi Black Women?

Black Gay Dudes are one thing. But will someone please tell me why the hypocrisy in regards to Black Lesbians and Bisexuals?

There's some major hardcore Lesbian/Bi Sistas out there.
And no one says shit.


from what I understand from this board... they don't like homosexuals but enjoying lesbian scenes are different because its sexy.

Its been said here... and not a fuck was given to that fact... which is funny when you look at the sigs of those opposed to it.

But a woman can come back from an experiment with the same sex and say just so... a male doing it and what your idea of what a man is changes for that man... and he can't return to being straight... because he will be that dude who used to fuck guys... but the imagery being the same for a woman holds a different place in our psyches...
 
in the 90's hoes use to say men were dogs...then that shyt got played out. Soooo they are using this down low shyt to replace the whole men are dogs excuse for their lack of selecting a good potential male
 
from what I understand from this board... they don't like homosexuals but enjoying lesbian scenes are different because its sexy.

Its been said here... and not a fuck was given to that fact... which is funny when you look at the sigs of those opposed to it.

But a woman can come back from an experiment with the same sex and say just so... a male doing it and what your idea of what a man is changes for that man... and he can't return to being straight... because he will be that dude who used to fuck guys... but the imagery being the same for a woman holds a different place in our psyches...

:yes: somehow.....somewhere kats forgot that lesbians are fags too. :puke:
 
Church started it, Oprah started the movement, and ever since everyone loves to mention statistics that simply do not exist, or are so biased and distorted they are useless.

In the end it's an excuse, and what the worst thing you can call a man? a pussy, and since it's 'down low' it sticks because it's her word vs his.
 
It makes them gullible. Somehow this went from episodes on Oprah with White men to a "Black problem" all because of slick marketing for a few books and lonely Black women were enabled to blame their relationship failures on someone else.

therock.gif



I'll also throw in the media capitalizing on it too.With the talk shows and investigative specials.When you think "downlow" you instantly think black men but the crazy thing is that out of all the celebrities and politicians caught having secret gay relationships,pretty much every single one of them are white.The downlow thing is just another divisive force between black men and black women that is clearly unsubstantiated. The worse are the least desired sistas too.Many of them actually think MOST dudes are on the DL. :hmm:
 
It makes them gullible. Somehow this went from episodes on Oprah with White men to a "Black problem" all because of slick marketing for a few books and lonely Black women were enabled to blame their relationship failures on someone else.

:yes::yes::yes:

They prey on the "emotional" nature of women.
 
people with phobias are scared of something...i will repeat no one is scared of fags...stop using 1 of da dumbest terms in modern day history...if a man who's a queer walks into a room no one is terrified, fainting, having panic attacks, crying, breaking out into sweats, shaking or any of the symptoms of phobia's

a phobia of something is a fear......
Not liking faggots or faggotry doesnt mean you fear faggots..... Thats faggots way of making ppl that speak out about them in a negative way feel uncomfortable with saying what they say..... Twisted reverse psychology...
 
Amazing a story that says Black Women should breed homosexual behavior among black men.

The devil stay busy.
 
@ the spot im at right now, at least 3 groups of black chicks have a token homo in the crew. lets be honest, black women love their gay dudes.

im sure if some of those cats are switch hitters, then they are knocking down some black pussy with more ease than the avg dude.

stay strapped:dunno:
 
people with phobias are scared of something...i will repeat no one is scared of fags...stop using 1 of da dumbest terms in modern day history...if a man who's a queer walks into a room no one is terrified, fainting, having panic attacks, crying, breaking out into sweats, shaking or any of the symptoms of phobia's

There are several threads complaining about gayness being 'forced down people's throats (no pun intended). These threads are motivated by 'fear' of the spread of homosexuality,so yes it is homophobia
 
Here they come....

I hope you are including yourself in that

cuz your ass is always prancing in on your high horse like you are soooooo above it all

fake fuck, shut up

Sounds like everybody in here either has a vagina or is an expert on what women experience so ya'll carry on ... you dont really need a womans opinion on this, you seem to have it covered
 
Back
Top