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Lenders Can Now Disable Your Car When You're Driving on the Freeway

People with poor credit are being sold cars with GPS-based kill switches

by Cliff Weathers | Nov. 6th 2014 |http://www.alternet.org/subprime-lending-car-buyers-fueling-bubble

<br>Imagine this scenario: You&rsquo;re on an important trip miles from home and stopped in traffic, but before you can continue on your way, your car shuts down. You&rsquo;ve got enough gas in the tank and no mechanical problems. But you&rsquo;re stranded far from home because you&rsquo;re a few days late on your car payment and the lender won&rsquo;t let you drive until the debt is paid.
<br>If this sounds like part of a dystopian future in which repo men are now cyborgs, it&rsquo;s not. It&rsquo;s happening today and becoming a big part of the new automotive landscape. Car dealers and automotive lenders are targeting those with poor credit by installing GPS-based kill switches, or starter-interrupt devices, on the cars that they sell.
<br>The <em><a href="http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/09/24/miss-a-payment-good-luck-moving-that-car/?_php=true&amp;_type=blogs&amp;_r=0" target="_blank">New York Times</a> [3]</em> recently reported that about 2 million cars are now outfitted with such kill switches in the U.S., which is about one-quarter of subprime car loans, and creditors are not shy when it comes to remotely disabling cars whose owners are behind on their payments:
<blockquote>
&quot;Some borrowers say their cars were disabled when they were only a few days behind on their payments, leaving them stranded in dangerous neighborhoods. Others said their cars were shut down while idling at stoplights. Some described how they could not take their children to school or to doctor&rsquo;s appointments. One woman in Nevada said her car was shut down while she was driving on the freeway.

&quot;Beyond the ability to disable a vehicle, the devices have tracking capabilities that allow lenders and others to know the movements of borrowers, a major concern for privacy advocates. And the warnings the devices emit — beeps that become more persistent as the due date for the loan payment approaches — are seen by some borrowers as more degrading than helpful.&quot;
</blockquote>
Subprime automotive-loan borrowers, those with FICO credit scores below 660, debt-to-income ratios of more than 50% or a bankruptcy in the past 60 months, are a growing segment of automotive borrowers. This phenomenon has been buoyed by auto dealers trying to continue a strong sales rebound after years of weak sales and by securities investors who buy bonds backed by those loans and see them as a way to get ample returns when other interest rates remain low.

In a healthy economy, buying subprime securities can be a lucrative way to exploit those who are still struggling with debt, but still may be able to find work and earn a decent wage. But when the economy goes soft, so do the subprime markets, as lenders become wary of taking on large credit risks. As the economy weakened in 2007, and the subprime mortgage securities market became unstable, it resulted in the U.S. credit crisis which, in turn, fueled the deep recession between 2007 and 2009.

But in this lukewarm recovery, investors are bullish on at least one subprime loan market. While foreclosed homes have proven nearly impossible to resell during hard times, used cars still sell relatively well <a href="http://usedcars.about.com/od/research/a/Used-Car-Sales-Figures-From-2000-To-2014.htm" target="_blank">even during a deep recession</a> [4], providing ample collateral for these subprime loans.

Still, investors are skittish because they&rsquo;re aware that car loans are not as well vetted as mortgage loans. The success of the auto dealer model is to let buyers come in, pick out a car, and complete the financing in one day.

Burned by subprime securities in the past and worried that car-loan applicants are not as thoroughly scrutinized as home buyers, investors need to be assured they&rsquo;re not throwing good money after bad, and that&rsquo;s where starter-interrupt systems (sometimes euphemistically called payment assurance devices) come in. They force borrowers either to pay the debt in full or face having the car sit idle for weeks or even months until it is eventually repossessed and resold. The theory is that when making a car payment is as essential as putting gas in the car, people will be more likely to make their payments.

But starter-interrupt devices and reselling repossessed cars might still be more than an economic placebo than a panacea for investors. Critics caution that packaging such loans into securities is still very <a href="http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/personalfinance/2014/09/27/subprime-auto-loan/16272641/" target="_blank">risky business</a> [5].*Writing for Vox, executive editor <a href="http://www.vox.com/2014/9/23/6832837/subprime-auto-loans" target="_blank">Matthew Yglesias rationalized his skepticism by saying</a> [6], &ldquo;returning to the idea of lending people money so they can buy more stuff than their wages will support isn't going to solve anything.&rdquo;

<strong>Bad Credit? No Problem!</strong>

While Wall Street is once again exploiting those with dubious credit by trading bonds based on loans that are engineered for high return, lenders and bondholders are wary of being caught flat-footed the way they were during the housing crisis. They&rsquo;re seeking ways to mitigate the risk that devastated the economy after the housing bubble.

Financial analysts say about a quarter of all automotive loans are subprime, and expect that number to climb as <a href="http://www.newyorkfed.org/newsevents/news/research/2014/rp140513.html" target="_blank">consumer debt continues to rise</a> [7]. These loans can be highly lucrative for lenders, with interest rates that can be well over 20%. Many of these subprime auto payments often come in late, bringing in late fees as well. <a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-10-01/what-lurks-in-bonds-tied-to-subprime-autos-anyone-s-guess.html" target="_blank">Nearly 4% of all subprime auto loans are more than 60 days late</a> [8], up by 3% from 2013.

<em>Bloomberg BusinessWeek</em> <a href="http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-10-02/auto-loans-a-subprime-market-grows-in-the-shadows" target="_blank">reports that investment rating companies</a> [9] are bestowing top grades for bonds based on subprime auto loans, but some critics say that investors can&rsquo;t easily figure the real risks.

&ldquo;Investors are basically taking the issuer&rsquo;s word that they follow certain procedures,&rdquo; Eugene Grinberg, a former analyst who structured subprime auto securities told <em>BusinessWeek</em>. &ldquo;There is opportunity for fraud.&rdquo;

So it&rsquo;s likely, to calm worried investors, the bundlers of these securities are trying to mitigate their risk by encouraging retail lenders to have the starter-interrupt devices installed.

<strong>Public Service or Public Exploited?</strong>

Lenders are quick to justify the starter-interrupt systems, saying that without them, hundreds of thousands of automotive loans would not be possible and it allows many more people the freedom of car ownership than would otherwise be possible. The makers of the starter-interrupt devices say they help keep borrowers up to date on their loans. One device maker told the<em>New York Times</em> that late payments have fallen to about 7%, down from 29%. Furthermore, many lenders say they&rsquo;re aware that borrowers may, for various reasons, be late with payments and they claim they make calls to borrowers well before they make the decision to disable their cars.

Dealer organizations claim their <a href="http://www.wolterskluwerfs.com/WorkArea/DownloadAsset.aspx?id=6442453355" target="_blank">customers don&rsquo;t balk</a> [10] when they&rsquo;re told that a GPS starter-interrupt device will be installed on the car. Some dealers even claim the devices actually help car buyers get better loan terms and improve their credit ratings.

Tom Nyitrai, a New York car dealer,<a href="http://wivb.com/2014/10/22/car-wont-start-pay-your-loan/" target="_blank">recently told a Buffalo television station</a> [11] that 90% of the cars he sells have starter-interrupt devices installed on them.

&ldquo;Yes the GPS unit can typically help the customer get a lower down payment, lower monthly payments, lower interest rate because the bank considers the risk in that loan to be lower,&quot; Nyitrai told WIVB News 4. &ldquo;This unit obviously is an extra incentive to make sure your payment is done on time, and as long as you do that, you do improve your credit score.&rdquo;

<a href="http://www.leg.state.nv.us/Session/77th2013/Exhibits/Assembly/CL/ACL493G.pdf" target="_blank">The National Alliance Survey</a> [12] says starter-interrupt systems disable 14% of cars immediately when the payment day is missed, while 30% of consumers are provided with a short grace period. About 54% of lenders use discretion with the systems, while another 1% report only using them as a threat.

But borrowers tell a different story. Many have told various media outlets that their cars have been shut off without warning, leaving them in a lurch or in danger. The <em>St. Louis Post-Dispatch</em> reports that <a href="http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/starter-cut-off-devices-keep-car-payments-coming/article_be4dfa8d-48bb-5d4c-9734-c93404c63250.html" target="_blank">cars have been disabled even when owners are current with payments.</a> [13]

Passtime, the Colorado company that makes many of the GPS starter-interrupt devices told the Post-Dispatch it's not heartless; it's given consumers remotes that give them a 24-hour reprieve if their car is ever shut down.

&ldquo;We never want anyone to be stranded,&rdquo; says Passtime CEO Stan Schwarz.

While most states approve of the use of starter-interrupt device, California allows them only at &ldquo;Buy Here, Pay Here&rdquo; dealers that make direct car loans to consumers. <a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/news/why-the-repo-man-can-remotely-shut-off-your-car-engine/" target="_blank">Wisconsin is the only state that bans them</a> [14]. As CBS MoneyWatch reports, the state&rsquo;s <a href="https://www.wdfi.org/_resources/indexed/site/wca/StarterInterrupterDevices.pdf" target="_blank">Department of Financial Institutions</a> [15] says &ldquo;the act of disabling a vehicle has the same result as taking possession of the vehicle&rdquo; and that disabling a car before a creditor can legally take possession of the car represents &quot;an improper repossession.&rdquo;

So far, it seems that while starter-interrupt systems are not very consumer friendly, they are friendly to those who hold their debt. And the idea might be catching on elsewhere. Marc Rotenberg, <a href="https://epic.org/epic/staff/rotenberg/" target="_blank">president of the Electronic Privacy Information Center</a> [16], sees their success inspiring similar devices for the real estate industry. He recently told NPR that the same payment assurance technology is now <a href="http://www.npr.org/blogs/alltechconsidered/2014/10/16/356693782/your-car-wont-start-did-you-make-the-loan-payment" target="_blank">being used by landlords</a> [17], who can remotely keep renters out of their apartments if they fall behind on their rent.

&quot;That's where I think it's going to get really interesting,&quot; Rotenberg told NPR.





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man they been doing this in atlanta!!


yup.


i still dont understand WHY niggas fuck with these buy here pay here lots.






they will sell u a 2002 car, for $14,000 thats worth $8000.
make you pay $1000 down, and $400 a month.
if you dont pay, they turn the car off, disable it, then TOW it 2 days after your payment is late, then RESALE the car 7days later.
 
yup.


i still dont understand WHY niggas fuck with these buy here pay here lots.

It's called BAD Credit, affords you the opportunity to
purchase a vehicle. Strings come attached though
No different than a Rent-A-Center fleecing poor
people out of a $500 TV by selling it for $2500
 
I thought this was common knowledge

Never heard of anyone having it done to them though
 
yup.


i still dont understand WHY niggas fuck with these buy here pay here lots.






they will sell u a 2002 car, for $14,000 thats worth $8000.
make you pay $1000 down, and $400 a month.
if you dont pay, they turn the car off, disable it, then TOW it 2 days after your payment is late, then RESALE the car 7days later.

Make your damn payments on time.. That's ur fault if you pay 14k for a 8k car
 
Happened to me back in the day. Except it didn't just shut down. I was driving and the car horn started going off all of a sudden, like non stop, it was irritating as hell. As soon as i stopped and turned off the ignition, I could not turn it back on. I can't remember how I figured out it was the car loan people, because I was literally the first person I heard of this happening too....:lol:

Had to have it towed to the dealership, payed them and kept it pushing...After a while, I ended up giving that wack ass car back to the dealership anyway.:angry: It was way more trouble than what it was worth.
 
Don't blame them at all. Obviously if you're behind on your payments there should be repercussions. So, a person should be able to drive a vehicle without paying for it?! Gone are the days you could hide your shit in a garage, or park it somewhere different every night, not return calls to the lenders, etc. Great way to fuck with deadbeats... Where the car is disabled is your problem and your fault for not paying your bills. If you can't afford the car, return it to the dealership take the charge off and keep it moving... Not a single fuck given about this... :hmm:
 
Don't blame them at all. Obviously if you're behind on your payments there should be repercussions. So, a person should be able to drive a vehicle without paying for it?! Gone are the days you could hide your shit in a garage, or park it somewhere different every night, not return calls to the lenders, etc. Great way to fuck with deadbeats... Where the car is disabled is your problem and your fault for not paying your bills. If you can't afford the car, return it to the dealership take the charge off and keep it moving... Not a single fuck given about this... :hmm:
I agree. Especially here in Atlanta. There's plenty of public transportation available until a person can work out their financial issues. People are too concerned with being able to drive and look good so they can club, pick up hoes, and waste even more money on materialistic shit.

If you can't afford it, leave it. Plain and simple.
 
yup.


i still dont understand WHY niggas fuck with these buy here pay here lots.






they will sell u a 2002 car, for $14,000 thats worth $8000.
make you pay $1000 down, and $400 a month.
if you dont pay, they turn the car off, disable it, then TOW it 2 days after your payment is late, then RESALE the car 7days later.


It's called BAD Credit, affords you the opportunity to
purchase a vehicle. Strings come attached though
No different than a Rent-A-Center fleecing poor
people out of a $500 TV by selling it for $2500


Yup!

I've got a friend who just moved down to North Carolina that said she was buying a 2014 Chevy Malibu for $400+ a month (car costs around 24k), I told her that she would be better off buying a good used car, but she was thanking her lucky stars that the dealer was willing to work with her & her bad credit, it didn't take any longer than hearing her say that to know why her credit was BAD to begin with!:smh:
 
I've know of this since the mid 90s

Thats how long they've been doing it up here in Ohio. The first time i heard of it i had just got off work and a coworkers car wouldnt start in the parking lot. Thing is she knew what it was cause it wasnt the first time for her. She was like "Damn they done locked my car up again." I thought it was fucked up cause we had just worked a 16 hour shift.
 
If I was having a bad day and they did that to me.......I set that bitch on fire.
 
Good disable the car in the middle of the freeway. :lol:

the car wont stop while your driving it more then likely once you cut the car off it just want start back up



I got a partner in detroit who makes a killing removing them switches according to him its a easy fix. Dont know if he lying or not so dont quote me on that.
 
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Lenders Can Now Disable Your Car When You're Driving on the Freeway

People with poor credit are being sold cars with GPS-based kill switches

by Cliff Weathers | Nov. 6th 2014 |http://www.alternet.org/subprime-lending-car-buyers-fueling-bubble

<br>Imagine this scenario: You&rsquo;re on an important trip miles from home and stopped in traffic, but before you can continue on your way, your car shuts down. You&rsquo;ve got enough gas in the tank and no mechanical problems. But you&rsquo;re stranded far from home because you&rsquo;re a few days late on your car payment and the lender won&rsquo;t let you drive until the debt is paid.
<br>If this sounds like part of a dystopian future in which repo men are now cyborgs, it&rsquo;s not. It&rsquo;s happening today and becoming a big part of the new automotive landscape. Car dealers and automotive lenders are targeting those with poor credit by installing GPS-based kill switches, or starter-interrupt devices, on the cars that they sell.
<br>The <em><a href="http://dealbook.nytimes.com/2014/09/24/miss-a-payment-good-luck-moving-that-car/?_php=true&amp;_type=blogs&amp;_r=0" target="_blank">New York Times</a> [3]</em> recently reported that about 2 million cars are now outfitted with such kill switches in the U.S., which is about one-quarter of subprime car loans, and creditors are not shy when it comes to remotely disabling cars whose owners are behind on their payments:
<blockquote>
&quot;Some borrowers say their cars were disabled when they were only a few days behind on their payments, leaving them stranded in dangerous neighborhoods. Others said their cars were shut down while idling at stoplights. Some described how they could not take their children to school or to doctor&rsquo;s appointments. One woman in Nevada said her car was shut down while she was driving on the freeway.

&quot;Beyond the ability to disable a vehicle, the devices have tracking capabilities that allow lenders and others to know the movements of borrowers, a major concern for privacy advocates. And the warnings the devices emit — beeps that become more persistent as the due date for the loan payment approaches — are seen by some borrowers as more degrading than helpful.&quot;
</blockquote>
Subprime automotive-loan borrowers, those with FICO credit scores below 660, debt-to-income ratios of more than 50% or a bankruptcy in the past 60 months, are a growing segment of automotive borrowers. This phenomenon has been buoyed by auto dealers trying to continue a strong sales rebound after years of weak sales and by securities investors who buy bonds backed by those loans and see them as a way to get ample returns when other interest rates remain low.

In a healthy economy, buying subprime securities can be a lucrative way to exploit those who are still struggling with debt, but still may be able to find work and earn a decent wage. But when the economy goes soft, so do the subprime markets, as lenders become wary of taking on large credit risks. As the economy weakened in 2007, and the subprime mortgage securities market became unstable, it resulted in the U.S. credit crisis which, in turn, fueled the deep recession between 2007 and 2009.

But in this lukewarm recovery, investors are bullish on at least one subprime loan market. While foreclosed homes have proven nearly impossible to resell during hard times, used cars still sell relatively well <a href="http://usedcars.about.com/od/research/a/Used-Car-Sales-Figures-From-2000-To-2014.htm" target="_blank">even during a deep recession</a> [4], providing ample collateral for these subprime loans.

Still, investors are skittish because they&rsquo;re aware that car loans are not as well vetted as mortgage loans. The success of the auto dealer model is to let buyers come in, pick out a car, and complete the financing in one day.

Burned by subprime securities in the past and worried that car-loan applicants are not as thoroughly scrutinized as home buyers, investors need to be assured they&rsquo;re not throwing good money after bad, and that&rsquo;s where starter-interrupt systems (sometimes euphemistically called payment assurance devices) come in. They force borrowers either to pay the debt in full or face having the car sit idle for weeks or even months until it is eventually repossessed and resold. The theory is that when making a car payment is as essential as putting gas in the car, people will be more likely to make their payments.

But starter-interrupt devices and reselling repossessed cars might still be more than an economic placebo than a panacea for investors. Critics caution that packaging such loans into securities is still very <a href="http://www.usatoday.com/story/money/personalfinance/2014/09/27/subprime-auto-loan/16272641/" target="_blank">risky business</a> [5].*Writing for Vox, executive editor <a href="http://www.vox.com/2014/9/23/6832837/subprime-auto-loans" target="_blank">Matthew Yglesias rationalized his skepticism by saying</a> [6], &ldquo;returning to the idea of lending people money so they can buy more stuff than their wages will support isn't going to solve anything.&rdquo;

<strong>Bad Credit? No Problem!</strong>

While Wall Street is once again exploiting those with dubious credit by trading bonds based on loans that are engineered for high return, lenders and bondholders are wary of being caught flat-footed the way they were during the housing crisis. They&rsquo;re seeking ways to mitigate the risk that devastated the economy after the housing bubble.

Financial analysts say about a quarter of all automotive loans are subprime, and expect that number to climb as <a href="http://www.newyorkfed.org/newsevents/news/research/2014/rp140513.html" target="_blank">consumer debt continues to rise</a> [7]. These loans can be highly lucrative for lenders, with interest rates that can be well over 20%. Many of these subprime auto payments often come in late, bringing in late fees as well. <a href="http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2014-10-01/what-lurks-in-bonds-tied-to-subprime-autos-anyone-s-guess.html" target="_blank">Nearly 4% of all subprime auto loans are more than 60 days late</a> [8], up by 3% from 2013.

<em>Bloomberg BusinessWeek</em> <a href="http://www.businessweek.com/articles/2014-10-02/auto-loans-a-subprime-market-grows-in-the-shadows" target="_blank">reports that investment rating companies</a> [9] are bestowing top grades for bonds based on subprime auto loans, but some critics say that investors can&rsquo;t easily figure the real risks.

&ldquo;Investors are basically taking the issuer&rsquo;s word that they follow certain procedures,&rdquo; Eugene Grinberg, a former analyst who structured subprime auto securities told <em>BusinessWeek</em>. &ldquo;There is opportunity for fraud.&rdquo;

So it&rsquo;s likely, to calm worried investors, the bundlers of these securities are trying to mitigate their risk by encouraging retail lenders to have the starter-interrupt devices installed.

<strong>Public Service or Public Exploited?</strong>

Lenders are quick to justify the starter-interrupt systems, saying that without them, hundreds of thousands of automotive loans would not be possible and it allows many more people the freedom of car ownership than would otherwise be possible. The makers of the starter-interrupt devices say they help keep borrowers up to date on their loans. One device maker told the<em>New York Times</em> that late payments have fallen to about 7%, down from 29%. Furthermore, many lenders say they&rsquo;re aware that borrowers may, for various reasons, be late with payments and they claim they make calls to borrowers well before they make the decision to disable their cars.

Dealer organizations claim their <a href="http://www.wolterskluwerfs.com/WorkArea/DownloadAsset.aspx?id=6442453355" target="_blank">customers don&rsquo;t balk</a> [10] when they&rsquo;re told that a GPS starter-interrupt device will be installed on the car. Some dealers even claim the devices actually help car buyers get better loan terms and improve their credit ratings.

Tom Nyitrai, a New York car dealer,<a href="http://wivb.com/2014/10/22/car-wont-start-pay-your-loan/" target="_blank">recently told a Buffalo television station</a> [11] that 90% of the cars he sells have starter-interrupt devices installed on them.

&ldquo;Yes the GPS unit can typically help the customer get a lower down payment, lower monthly payments, lower interest rate because the bank considers the risk in that loan to be lower,&quot; Nyitrai told WIVB News 4. &ldquo;This unit obviously is an extra incentive to make sure your payment is done on time, and as long as you do that, you do improve your credit score.&rdquo;

<a href="http://www.leg.state.nv.us/Session/77th2013/Exhibits/Assembly/CL/ACL493G.pdf" target="_blank">The National Alliance Survey</a> [12] says starter-interrupt systems disable 14% of cars immediately when the payment day is missed, while 30% of consumers are provided with a short grace period. About 54% of lenders use discretion with the systems, while another 1% report only using them as a threat.

But borrowers tell a different story. Many have told various media outlets that their cars have been shut off without warning, leaving them in a lurch or in danger. The <em>St. Louis Post-Dispatch</em> reports that <a href="http://www.stltoday.com/business/local/starter-cut-off-devices-keep-car-payments-coming/article_be4dfa8d-48bb-5d4c-9734-c93404c63250.html" target="_blank">cars have been disabled even when owners are current with payments.</a> [13]

Passtime, the Colorado company that makes many of the GPS starter-interrupt devices told the Post-Dispatch it's not heartless; it's given consumers remotes that give them a 24-hour reprieve if their car is ever shut down.

&ldquo;We never want anyone to be stranded,&rdquo; says Passtime CEO Stan Schwarz.

While most states approve of the use of starter-interrupt device, California allows them only at &ldquo;Buy Here, Pay Here&rdquo; dealers that make direct car loans to consumers. <a href="http://www.cbsnews.com/news/why-the-repo-man-can-remotely-shut-off-your-car-engine/" target="_blank">Wisconsin is the only state that bans them</a> [14]. As CBS MoneyWatch reports, the state&rsquo;s <a href="https://www.wdfi.org/_resources/indexed/site/wca/StarterInterrupterDevices.pdf" target="_blank">Department of Financial Institutions</a> [15] says &ldquo;the act of disabling a vehicle has the same result as taking possession of the vehicle&rdquo; and that disabling a car before a creditor can legally take possession of the car represents &quot;an improper repossession.&rdquo;

So far, it seems that while starter-interrupt systems are not very consumer friendly, they are friendly to those who hold their debt. And the idea might be catching on elsewhere. Marc Rotenberg, <a href="https://epic.org/epic/staff/rotenberg/" target="_blank">president of the Electronic Privacy Information Center</a> [16], sees their success inspiring similar devices for the real estate industry. He recently told NPR that the same payment assurance technology is now <a href="http://www.npr.org/blogs/alltechconsidered/2014/10/16/356693782/your-car-wont-start-did-you-make-the-loan-payment" target="_blank">being used by landlords</a> [17], who can remotely keep renters out of their apartments if they fall behind on their rent.

&quot;That's where I think it's going to get really interesting,&quot; Rotenberg told NPR.





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Don't know about this one... It is not being used here in L. A. that is for damn sure. If so then the Repo guy job would be a lot easer and I don't see that in any way. But I don't put anything past anyone any longer. Now on the Real Estate side that will only work on the commercial side of it. The code in CA will not allow that in any way. :hmm:
 
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There was a dealership that was shut down in Detroit in the 90's because they were secretly installing these devices. People were threatening to sue. It was former NFL player Mel Far's lot.
 
if you are late on your car payments why shouldn't the dealer be able to disable the car and track your ass down? It's not their problem if you cant pay your bills.
 
You know people do lose there jobs....I mean things happen.......Everyone aint balling like you,

Then get a $2,000 car from the local paper instead of a $10,000 from a dealer. If you job is that unstable, you are stupid as hell to tie yourself to a 5-8 year loan.

It's not just the buy here/pay here places that screw people over. Normal dealers can too. I remember flipping channels a few days ago and one local dealer was showing a year old Jetta. Sure it was $250 a month, but it was a 8 year loan and $10,000 down. Seriously? You could probably buy two brand new that way!
 
Happened to me back in the day. Except it didn't just shut down. I was driving and the car horn started going off all of a sudden, like non stop, it was irritating as hell. As soon as i stopped and turned off the ignition, I could not turn it back on. I can't remember how I figured out it was the car loan people, because I was literally the first person I heard of this happening too....:lol:

Had to have it towed to the dealership, payed them and kept it pushing...After a while, I ended up giving that wack ass car back to the dealership anyway.:angry: It was way more trouble than what it was worth.


huh?

im sorry, please forgive me, im not trying to clown u, but please explain your statement?

paying your car note on time was more trouble than it was worth?

:confused:
 
Lmaoooo

If you have shit credit instead of wanting a fuckin car note take that tax return and buy you a decent whip for 2500-5000 that you can pay for out right that you own with no lien holder on your title that way you ain't got to worry about those scamming ass stealerships putting cut off switches on your car if you late with a payment :lol:
 
Don't see a problem with this. They cut your cellphone off if you don't pay. They turn off your lights, cable, and gas if you don't pay. I'm sure this is a cheaper alternative to loan companies than hiring repo men.

The only thing i see an issue with is them monitoring you whereabouts with GPS even if your are on time with your payments.
 
Well all those fake ballers in Atlanta living in 1 bedroom 500 a month apartments in college park driving range rovers and s500s. I don't feel sorry for them.
 
I've know of this since the mid 90s

earlier than that according to Consumer Reports - I remember Lojack being clowned for it's limited countywide range. I'm pretty sure that's how they caught those folks in Atlanta that bought BMWs with fake IDs.

Car thieves have known for the longest time exactly where the GPS and ignition kill are and how to bypass them. I think VICE did a story on it years back.
 
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