Real Talk!!
Not taking jabs at anyone but the migration of blacks from Mississippi to the North was to Chicago.
Are We Getting Too Old For This Shit???
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Real Talk!!
Not taking jabs at anyone but the migration of blacks from Mississippi to the North was to Chicago.
I don't think so though. I think it goes through this shit every once in a while.
Here is my theory. Buying cd's used to be a grown up type of thing. Or at least you have to have a job. This internet put the purchasing power in the hands of the teenagers. They can't afford the albums so they buy the singles and the ringtones.
So of course they are going to make their artists popular.We are not dinosaurs, but we our music is not predicated on the status of your single. I didn't buy Biggie's first album because I heard/wanted to hear Juicy. I hate to say it, but I didn't even listen to it after I got the album. But I knock the hell out of the rest of it all day. It's not that way today.
I understand what he's saying. I am from Mississippi, I have a lot family members from Chi-Town..A lot of black ppl from da south moved to Chicago during the 50's/60's...
I remember the EPS I used to fuck with that tooI learned on the SP1200 so its always my baby. Nothing and I mean NOTHING gives that particular hit for classic hiphop drums. Plus sampling on it from vinyl and that gritty sound that I MUST HAVE! I still do all my hiphop drums on that and always will. Hey I fuck with reason too but there is something about the whole classic process that is soothing to me. As for style, they said I made Timbaland beats before he did
I have never in my life used a 2 bar loop. A lot of chopping is involved. Like I sample a kick then a different snare and play my drums out. sometimes I take wierd little bits and paste them together. I don't sample basslines. I sample one single lone bass note of the sound I want and then fix it proper and make a damn instument and play my bassline. Who do I want today? Jaco Pastorius? Larry Graham? So I do it like that.
I like that gritty shit too. That's why I like that EPS. I leave the crackles from the record in and all. I still dump my shit down to cassette tape and then I may record that into the computer just to keep that gritty sound. But I can't give away too many secrets!
I do sample basslines sometimes though. If I can't play it just right or if I need that real muddy bass I'll sample it and chop it up.
still trying to break in andi dont really feel that crank that, but to each his own, i think the problem is people too scared to b themselves and the ol cliche u got to grind to shine is tru, look at ur favorite rappers and none of them had instant success, prolly cuz they wouldnt know how to handle it. Jay z, pac, biggie, none of them had a hot song then bam, they mellowed grinded and eventually took it to the top
Real Talk!!
Yeah I feel that too, but they still are not southerners like that. They are at least two generations (if not three) removed from Mississippi you know?
It was just surprising to see these Chi-town dudes praising Soulja Boy.
I know I keep coming with these stories but...My cousin has this video on his Myspace where he is kind of making fun of "snap" music. They hate that, but they love Soulja Boy. Go figure!
They were playing around and the song was called "Beat that bitch with a bat". Real talk. Take your Laffy Taffy or whatever repetitive hook snap song and put in "beat that bitch with a bat" and you got it. He made up a little homerun dance and everything.
Fucked up thing is some of his freinds saw it and said that he should try to make a real version of it.
And that's when I put in the Gangstarr record and said "Let's just start here!"
Just a small correction brother. Labels, at least reputable major ones, do not receive any of the artist's show money. They only own the master recordings which entitles them to ring tone revenue and such.
The booking agencies, like Famous, ICM, and CAA book shows for artists and they usually take 10% of whatever the show amount is.
The label only owns the master while it does not own the publishing of the songs. The cds belonged to the labels, the song's pub didn't. If someone wanted to do a remake of one of Brian McKnight's songs in the future, the record company would have no say in the matter. All mechanical and performance royalties are paid to the writer/producer of the song.
Ex: You invent, and patent a new auto part and enter into an agreement with Midas. For your product Midas will, mass produce, market, and sell said product and spilit profits with you after recouping cost to do so. YOU own the patent, so if Meineke or Pep Boys come out with the same product (which you see all the time with consumer products) they can, but they have to pay you, and only you, as you are the owner of the patent. Brian McKnight actually made this move to cut out the middle-man. In this case, the production company.(Trauwick Group)
Artists signed to production companies have 3rd party deals: Artist has a deal with the production co. and production co. has the deal with the label.
Wait, this is going on too long. maybe we should make a "Truthful Music Biz 101" thread. lol
more like 20. 15 if the artist has friends and is lucky.
There is one in the Producers Lounge somewhere. From a while back.
Also I wanted to say that the biggest scam record labels and producers have been pulling since day 1 is stealing artists publishing. Know the game. ASCAP your shit and don't let nobody sell you no fucking dreams. Many of your favorite and "most respected" hiphop producers didn't make even half their beats but strongarmed and chumped someone out of their credit and publishing. You betta RECOGNIZE!
This is all true. But what you must remember is what I like to call the "Revolving Door of Music Hell".
You as an artist take a $100,000 advance. Blow it in six months. The record company wants to drop your album 3 or 4 months from now and they want you on a promo tour so you can't do shows. And how could you really if you are a new artist. They come in and tell you well if you cut us in on 25% of your publishing on the next album we will loan you another $50,000 to hold you over. You are fucked from then on.
Same thing if you put out the first and it doesn't go so well and you are in debt and need a bigger advance. Or maybe your production company has a deal for your publishing also. There are several ways you can get fucked out of ownership. But about 95% of them are your fault.
Chicago is a melting pot for real. You can find someone here doing any kind of music truthfully. As far as rap goes you have cats here that are straight up New York styled, west coast styled, down south styled it really varies that much. But the city isn't overrun with Solja Boy clones and I don't expect it to be. There are a lot of followers here though so this shit doesn't surprise me one bit.
But would you say they are the future of Chicago? I mean dude showed me about 15 different myspace pages of people he knew and these dudes are not on some basement boogie type of shit. He said some of them were on the radio.
I'll have to get some examples but I remember him saying something about he "Kool-aid" song? That shit was god awful, but he said that too!
Bump. I think we are getting away from the question. Are we just old and not with it (at late 20's early 30's) or is this shit just that bad.
Or maybe your production company has a deal for your publishing also. There are several ways you can get fucked out of ownership. But about 95% of them are your fault.
Co-sign. This is usually the case.
Bump. I think we are getting away from the question. Are we just old and not with it (at late 20's early 30's) or is this shit just that bad.
Sorry for contributing to the thread jack fam.
YES, we are getting too old for this shit, and YES, it is all bullshit now. Not just the lack of innovation in the music and lyrics, but the lack of innovation and creativity behind the desk.
Corny Exec= Opportunity for corny shit to be put into circulation.
it's not the youngstaz fault they weren't old enough, or born for that matter, when hip hop was at its best. just because us older rap fans were lucky enough to come of age when the best shit happen to be coming out you can't criticize kids today for liking what they like. the old shit still applies today in my opinion. so, bump whatever shit you feel
i feel you on this.. but be it trash or not it's still savin' a handfull of brothers lives and feedin' black families.. true hip-hop will never be what it was.. you'll have to understand.. most cd buyers are young white kids who don't know better.. so that bubble gum shit will get pushed mainly because white parents dem it "safe listening".. so lets take the real shit back underground and protect it.. but don't hate the soulja boys out there let them live and hope they spread the wealth thru their communities.. feel me?
Someone plz explain to me wtf is this YAAA about?
Sorry brother, we shouldn't explain that one
.....To explain it would give it life and validity.
Well U are right, but Im talking about the new artists that are popping up, Like Soulja boi, he is on colli park records, which has a distribution deal with Interscope. Colli Park is getting like 75% of show money from soulja boi. I mean when these small time record labels throw some up front money or a car or some shit like that, they want they money back...so how else they gonna get it.
No problem on the thread jacking. I helped with that too!
Well the thing is with that desk position is that back in the day innovation WAS what made hip-hop popular.
The execs didn't know how to make money off of it properly. Not until the "hair bands" of the 80's started falling off and those execs needed a new cash cow. They saw hip-hop and did the same thing to us that they did to rock in the 80's. Make it violent, throw pussy and cars in the videos, made up images.
Hell yeah ....but my question is....When will grow up and demand more from out artist...let the kids have their music and let us have ours. These execs are fucking us up....they are denying albums the life support they need, while they giving soulja boy all the help he needs.....
I'd rather make a constant 500k a album , the a mill up front and no guarantee of any money later in life....
I'd rather make a constant 500k a album , the a mill up front and no guarantee of any money later in life....
Now Andy..since u produce....I want u to check out my home boy....he is r&b and tell me what you think... www.myspace.com/juciesoul[/QUOTE]
son got skills... is he signed or still looking for a deal???
son got skills... is he signed or still looking for a deal???
DJ DAVEY D....
What is Hip Hop
Hip Hop in its original form was a source of creative expression and cultural awareness,
The Hip Hop this generation sees through the media, is merely an extension of the drug game.
This aint Hip Hop its SHIT HOP
And no we aint just gettin to old, its just we know to much, and the yungins need a little education.
What is Hip Hop
Hip Hop in its original form was a source of creative expression and cultural awareness,
The Hip Hop this generation sees through the media, is merely an extension of the drug game.
This aint Hip Hop its SHIT HOP
And no we aint just gettin to old, its just we know to much, and the yungins need a little education.
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