Are Cam Girls REALLY "Sex Workers" or are they just performers?

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If nothing else the whole Bella Thorne debacle highlighted to me the notion that cam models are trying to lump themselves in the same category as actual prostitutes

I think there's a BIG difference between what the above girl does and what the below girl does.

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THIS IS SEX WORK:

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THIS IS PERFORMING

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They are not the same thing and really shouldn't be thought in the same way.
 
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Wow, this is some pubic hair-splitting.

It's all sex work. It's sexual. In an obvious way that, say, a "sexual" music video or film is different from. Strippers are sex workers. "Cam girls" are remote strippers.


The pandemic has created a catastrophic health and economic crisis that has illuminated the fragile existence of low-wage and gig workers in the United States. The experience of sex workers, who find the most stable work as independent contractors, is no different. (Some strip clubs offer workers employee status, but they are in the minority; in Nevada, where prostitution is legal in some counties, workers at brothels are considered independent contractors.) Like undocumented workers who are barred from getting government benefits in exchange for their labor, and prison laborers who receive little consideration of their rights as workers, sex workers have few places to turn for help. Federal law bars the issuance of disaster loans and grant assistance to applicants who “present live performances of a prurient sexual nature” or who earn income “through the sale of products or services, or the presentation of any depictions or displays, of a prurient sexual nature.” Strippers, pornography performers, and owners of sex-toy and other adult-entertainment businesses are ineligible. Sex workers who make their money on the street and cannot access public assistance are also wary of trying to access social services, for fear of being arrested.
2016 story, this ain't new:
 
its all that, they are sexual self pleasers, turning their hobbies

into work....

they are

VIRTUAL SEX WORKERS

AKA

CYBER HOES


wait.. hold up.... is this for tax purposes...??

so the irs can tax them...

Oh hell nah then, its fuckin ART!!!!

a lil mis-understanding....


sorry hoes keep uhhh.... up the good ART WORK!!!
 
Wow, this is some pubic hair-splitting.

It's all sex work. It's sexual. In an obvious way that, say, a "sexual" music video or film is different from. Strippers are sex workers. "Cam girls" are remote strippers.


The pandemic has created a catastrophic health and economic crisis that has illuminated the fragile existence of low-wage and gig workers in the United States. The experience of sex workers, who find the most stable work as independent contractors, is no different. (Some strip clubs offer workers employee status, but they are in the minority; in Nevada, where prostitution is legal in some counties, workers at brothels are considered independent contractors.) Like undocumented workers who are barred from getting government benefits in exchange for their labor, and prison laborers who receive little consideration of their rights as workers, sex workers have few places to turn for help. Federal law bars the issuance of disaster loans and grant assistance to applicants who “present live performances of a prurient sexual nature” or who earn income “through the sale of products or services, or the presentation of any depictions or displays, of a prurient sexual nature.” Strippers, pornography performers, and owners of sex-toy and other adult-entertainment businesses are ineligible. Sex workers who make their money on the street and cannot access public assistance are also wary of trying to access social services, for fear of being arrested.
2016 story, this ain't new:
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I don't think so... sucking a stranger's dick for money and sucking a piece of plastic on cam for a stranger to watch on the other side of the country isn't the same thing or same risk.

I agree that they doing sexual things but intercourse and masturbation aren't the same
 
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I don't think so... sucking a stranger's dick for money and sucking a piece of plastic on cam for a stranger to watch on the other side of the country isn't the same thing or same risk.

I agree that they doing sexual things but intercourse and masturbation aren't the same

But the sole purpose is sexual fulfillment. It exists to produce an ejaculation. That's sex work. It's also true that all sex work is not the same.
 
But the sole purpose is sexual fulfillment. It exists to produce an ejaculation. That's sex work. It's also true that all sex work is not the same.
yeah but let's say a woman got busted for prostitution....goes to court and its discovered that she never had actual contact with the people she was in the same room with. people gave her money to watch her masturbate or have her watch them masturbate but they never had physical contact in any way...I think a lawyer would make a case that no actual sexual intercourse was had and therefore no prostitution was committed ergo his client is not a sex worker in the common perception of the term.
 
yeah but let's say a woman got busted for prostitution....goes to court and its discovered that she never had actual contact with the people she was in the same room with. people gave her money to watch her masturbate or have her watch them masturbate but they never had physical contact in any way...I think a lawyer would make a case that no actual sexual intercourse was had and therefore no prostitution was committed ergo his client is not a sex worker in the common perception of the term.

The crime would be prostitution. There would never be an "ergo his client is not a sex worker." People don't get charged with sex work because sex work is often legal.
 
Don't get me started, I guess I'm just older but these new hoes and their entitlement is crazy. Women showing titties on twitter calling that sex work, no sleeping with a dude, and then get mad when Bella came through and took the bag.

This is actually bad cuz women are gonna stop doing porn and stick with this cyber garbage.
 
The crime would be prostitution. There would never be an "ergo his client is not a sex worker." People don't get charged with sex work because sex work is often legal.
but the definition of prostitution would still be challenged in that case... but in any case when someone says the term sex worker they think prostitution and intercourse. what a camgirl does isn't that.
 
Don't get me started, I guess I'm just older but these new hoes and their entitlement is crazy. Women showing titties on twitter calling that sex work, no sleeping with a dude, and then get mad when Bella came through and took the bag.

This is actually bad cuz women are gonna stop doing porn and stick with this cyber garbage.
the bella shit is a different issue...has nothing to do with sex working at all and everything to do with her fucking the system for everyone.
 
Cam girls are just porn stars doing a solo video in front of a live studio audience.
They are sex workers. They are providing a sexual fantasy in exchange for money regardless of your participation in the fantasy.
There's no nuance to this.
 
Cam girls are just porn stars doing a solo video in front of a live studio audience.
They are sex workers. They are providing a sexual fantasy in exchange for money regardless of your participation in the fantasy.
There's no nuance to this.
Lawrence Taylor's rape case has also raised a number of important questions about sex. Namely, does masturbation constitute a sex act?

Taylor is claiming the 16-year-old prostitute (whose pimp allegedly beat her before bringing her to the ex-NFL player's hotel room) was only present while he pleasured himself and no intercourse took place.

Lawrence Taylor rape masturbation

According to his lawyers, Lawrence Taylor IS NOT guilty of raping the 16-year-old prostitute because he did not have sex with her. Admittedly, this makes sense.


As one source deep within the scandal put it, Lawrence engaged in a "masturbatory act" and that was it. Ex-NFL Star Lawrence Taylor Is Arrested For Rape


And the condom in the trashcan that TMZ earlier reported? Well, it simply wasn't his, which does indeed jive with the original criminal complaint where authorities alleged that Taylor engaged in "sex acts" but with no mention of sexual intercourse.

Ahh, the masturbation defense.

Per the legal team at TMZ:

According to New York law, "A person is guilty of rape in the third degree when ... he or she engages in sexual intercourse with another person less than seventeen years old."


Interestingly ... in the criminal complaint against the alleged pimp, authorities allege Taylor engaged in "sex acts" but there is not mention of sexual intercourse -- a requirement for 3rd degree rape. [Source: TMZ]

As vile as it is that a grown man would masturbate in front of a teenager, we have to admit that it is, indeed, not rape



NEW CITY, N.Y. (AP) -- Former NFL star Lawrence Taylor pleaded guilty Thursday to sexual misconduct and patronizing a prostitute, misdemeanor charges that carry no jail time but require him to register as a sex offender.

The 51-year-old ex-linebacker, who led the New York Giants to Super Bowl titles in 1987 and 1991, will serve six years' probation.

"She told me she was 19," Taylor, standing with his hands clasped behind him, said in court as he admitted having sex with a prostitute who turned out to be a 16-year-old Bronx runaway. Taylor said he now knows the girl was legally incapable of consent.

Harry Carson, his former teammate and fellow Hall of Famer, was in the courtroom and gave Taylor a supportive handshake when he arrived.

Prosecutor Patricia Gunning said the plea deal was acceptable in part because Taylor had assisted in investigations into human trafficking since he was charged. Another prosecutor, Arthur Ferraro, said outside court that Taylor "was of assistance in the field of human trafficking in several jurisdictions and with federal authorities."

Taylor decided pleading was in everyone's best interest, said his attorney, Arthur Aidala.

"He could have taken a much more aggressive road but he decided it was in the best interest of he and his family and the young woman to put this behind him," Aidala said, adding that he was "cautiously optimistic" that he would have won the case had it gone to trial.



 
Lawrence Taylor's rape case has also raised a number of important questions about sex. Namely, does masturbation constitute a sex act?

Taylor is claiming the 16-year-old prostitute (whose pimp allegedly beat her before bringing her to the ex-NFL player's hotel room) was only present while he pleasured himself and no intercourse took place.

Lawrence Taylor rape masturbation

According to his lawyers, Lawrence Taylor IS NOT guilty of raping the 16-year-old prostitute because he did not have sex with her. Admittedly, this makes sense.


As one source deep within the scandal put it, Lawrence engaged in a "masturbatory act" and that was it. Ex-NFL Star Lawrence Taylor Is Arrested For Rape


And the condom in the trashcan that TMZ earlier reported? Well, it simply wasn't his, which does indeed jive with the original criminal complaint where authorities alleged that Taylor engaged in "sex acts" but with no mention of sexual intercourse.

Ahh, the masturbation defense.

Per the legal team at TMZ:

According to New York law, "A person is guilty of rape in the third degree when ... he or she engages in sexual intercourse with another person less than seventeen years old."


Interestingly ... in the criminal complaint against the alleged pimp, authorities allege Taylor engaged in "sex acts" but there is not mention of sexual intercourse -- a requirement for 3rd degree rape. [Source: TMZ]

As vile as it is that a grown man would masturbate in front of a teenager, we have to admit that it is, indeed, not rape



NEW CITY, N.Y. (AP) -- Former NFL star Lawrence Taylor pleaded guilty Thursday to sexual misconduct and patronizing a prostitute, misdemeanor charges that carry no jail time but require him to register as a sex offender.

The 51-year-old ex-linebacker, who led the New York Giants to Super Bowl titles in 1987 and 1991, will serve six years' probation.

"She told me she was 19," Taylor, standing with his hands clasped behind him, said in court as he admitted having sex with a prostitute who turned out to be a 16-year-old Bronx runaway. Taylor said he now knows the girl was legally incapable of consent.

Harry Carson, his former teammate and fellow Hall of Famer, was in the courtroom and gave Taylor a supportive handshake when he arrived.

Prosecutor Patricia Gunning said the plea deal was acceptable in part because Taylor had assisted in investigations into human trafficking since he was charged. Another prosecutor, Arthur Ferraro, said outside court that Taylor "was of assistance in the field of human trafficking in several jurisdictions and with federal authorities."

Taylor decided pleading was in everyone's best interest, said his attorney, Arthur Aidala.

"He could have taken a much more aggressive road but he decided it was in the best interest of he and his family and the young woman to put this behind him," Aidala said, adding that he was "cautiously optimistic" that he would have won the case had it gone to trial.



If his name wasn’t lawrence Taylor they would of threw the book at him.. masturbation is a sex act just like oral sex is a sex act.. intercourse is different, but it all falls under sexual interaction
 
All of the above. Some of these chicks are also tricking. Some do this for cash and get ran threw in real life hoes. Some are closet freaks. Some have a man who doesn't give a fuck as long as her ass is home. There's no rules to this shit. They selling sex for money. They getting fucked either way.
 
Does it really matter....?
At the end of the day it's all about them using their sex and sexuality to earn revenue. :dunno:
 
If his name wasn’t lawrence Taylor they would of threw the book at him.. masturbation is a sex act just like oral sex is a sex act.. intercourse is different, but it all falls under sexual interaction

his lawyer seemed willing to fight it out tho...

Taylor decided pleading was in everyone's best interest, said his attorney, Arthur Aidala.

"He could have taken a much more aggressive road but he decided it was in the best interest of he and his family and the young woman to put this behind him," Aidala said, adding that he was "cautiously optimistic" that he would have won the case had it gone to trial.


If all LT did was jerkoff with the girl in the room and no sexual contact happened between them then he would have argued on the definition of prostitution and rape as legally defined.

Which may well question what constitutes a "sex worker" in legal terms. Which goes to my question that a cam girl isn't the same a street walker or an escort to the point where they can call themselves "sexworkers".
 
his lawyer seemed willing to fight it out tho...

Taylor decided pleading was in everyone's best interest, said his attorney, Arthur Aidala.

"He could have taken a much more aggressive road but he decided it was in the best interest of he and his family and the young woman to put this behind him," Aidala said, adding that he was "cautiously optimistic" that he would have won the case had it gone to trial.


If all LT did was jerkoff with the girl in the room and no sexual contact happened between them then he would have argued on the definition of prostitution and rape as legally defined.

Which may well question what constitutes a "sex worker" in legal terms. Which goes to my question that a cam girl isn't the same a street walker or an escort to the point where they can call themselves "sexworkers".
There’s people that get paid $19 or more in construction just holding flags to direct traffic.. they work for construction teams and even have to take classes yet they will never built shit.. guess what they are construction workers.. it’s a lot of other jobs in construction that you don’t have to lift or build shit but guess what you are a construction worker... a girl working in a peep show booth is a sex worker, a girl on webcam is a sex worker, a girl standing in a room while someone observes them afar masturbating is a sex worker
 
Would you wife a cam girl :dunno:
The question should be can you afford not to?
If a man has his shit together, he has better options.
Some cam girls cam out of necessity; some do it to feed their attention addiction.
A man with his shit together can afford to bypass sex workers of all kinds. Some cam girls are just broke hoes looking to come up; others are hoes dedicated to the game, for which there is no saving. Would a cam girl give up the attention fix to be with one man?

Look at it on the flip side: most men can't imagine how it must feel for a woman to be watching multiple men masturbate to her frequently and at any given moment and pay her for the privlege on top of it. Can you imagine the narcissism that builds in a woman? A bitch thinks she's on top of the world, until she steps out into the world.

They addressed that on Zendaya's show Euphoria, where her fat friend became a cam girl and had to deal with the dual life of being lusted after on cam but not even noticed in real life. Of course, they tried to make it an "empowering" moment on the show, but in real life, you never know who's a cam girl. It could be your cashier, your mailwoman, the sales clerk at the dept. store, any secretary, etc.
The only real question is, if you don't want that kind of woman, do you have your shit together enough to eliminate her as an option?
 
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