Android Is Destroying Everyone, Especially RIM -- iPhone Dead In Water

I'm glad some one understands this, but you're a software developer so I'd expect you to know how big a deal fragmentation is. But here's Google's conundrum; their main selling point was this "perceived" open model. And since they are NOW trying to mimic Apple's model, why buy a Android device when I can buy an iOS device from a company with a far more polished "closed" (as Android fanboys like to call it) system? You know that these changes will take at least 2 years to matriculate.

People arent buying android phones because android is "open". Maybe techies do but everybody else is buying them because they have better features, bigger screens, more powerful, more customizable, better reception, better plans on more carriers...

They are just better devices. Just like the ipad is just better than most tablets right now.
 
The whole idea of a touch screen phone that acts almost like an iPhone. How do u move an icon? Hold it until you can move it. How do you switch homescreens? swipe it. How do you download apps? From the app store (android market). I can go on and on. It's a complete rip off. The only reason it's lasting is due to the number of different phones that have the android os and the phones are CHEAP as hell. Even Metro PCS has android. Who wants to have a phone even a broke nigga can buy?

49.99 iPhone 3GS on apple.com says hi.
Metropcs androids cost 200 and up...same as iPhones on vzw and AT&T
High level androids on all carriers cost the same as iPhones on vzw and AT&T in fact some androids are more expensive.

App stores existed before apple, they just made it cooler. U can also use the online version of the android market to send apps to your phone. On apple devices u need the app store installed.

Htc had touch screens before the iPhone, claiming touch screens were aple innovations is bullshit, that's like saying web os is an apple rip off when it has the best ui of any mobile device.

Weak excuses u got there dude.
 
Until Android starts SELLING, not having pirated, more apps than the Apple app store, developers ain't going nowhere. How many of those Android phones actually purchase apps?

Hell, how many Android Stans on BGOL actually purchase apps?


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Damn JD beat me to it :lol:

it cracks me up when yall brag about how much you're paying companies...

thats like a hoe bragging about how much she made her pimp...
or old church ladies bragging about their pastors new caddillac....
 
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The whole idea of a touch screen phone that acts almost like an iPhone. How do u move an icon? Hold it until you can move it. How do you switch homescreens? swipe it. How do you download apps? From the app store (android market). I can go on and on. It's a complete rip off. The only reason it's lasting is due to the number of different phones that have the android os and the phones are CHEAP as hell. Even Metro PCS has android. Who wants to have a phone even a broke nigga can buy?

Who's idea was to sell the Iphone to ONLY 1 carrier to begin with? When they released the Iphone 4 on Verizon, EVERYONE, all you apple turd lovers, said how we'd see the numbers change, and they did, again in favor for Android. Fuck the ThunderBolt is outselling the Iphone 4 on Verizon, what does that tell you? It say's the public isn't buying the BS being sold that the Iphone is better. It is compared to CERTAIN models of phone running android, that's true. But put the best Android phone against the Iphone 4, if your willing to be technical and subjective, and Android wins. Let's not forget, some of you still don't know what "true os multitasking is", and IOS still doesn't have it. That is just one of many features Android has over the Iphone. And don't talk about pirate software, everyone I know with a Iphone is jailbroken and shit loads of illegal apps, that's ANYWHERE, not just Android. Steve picked this fight, cause like with the Mac, he thought no one could stand up to him, and just like with the Mac/PC, he was wrong. It's okay, Apple's made a killing, and we can't all bat 1000 percent..
 
The whole idea of a touch screen phone that acts almost like an iPhone. How do u move an icon? Hold it until you can move it. How do you switch homescreens? swipe it. How do you download apps? From the app store (android market). I can go on and on. It's a complete rip off. The only reason it's lasting is due to the number of different phones that have the android os and the phones are CHEAP as hell. Even Metro PCS has android. Who wants to have a phone even a broke nigga can buy?

this is why i seriously dont belong in these threads.

this guy gotta be like 15 16 yrs old.
 
The best way to kill the "who is better", "who is going to be first", "who has the bigger balls", is simple, VERY simple. For the apple fanboy's, like that bitch Divine, your god, is dying, literally, he'll be dead soon. Your company will go with it. There is NO one at apple, that has his vision, his way's of turning out things that literally change markets. I give kudos to his vision, always have, he changed many things in the tech world, in a good way, by pushing out a product, then the rest of the world tried to compete against it. That's the history of the Iphone, they started a trend, but now others are taking it over. With Stevo gone, Apple's direction will go too. He is the ONLY reason Apple is what it is, look it up. Once gone, many will bolt, investors, and more, but the vision, the direction he led with, that made Apple what it is, will die too. You can't lead an army, without a GREAT general, so Apple is losing more then just the Iphone race..


meh.. hard to tell.. your not wrong.. but i have faith in apple products cause they do believe in quality.

steve needs to create a proper transition is all.. ballmer is killing and exposing microsoft for the weak company it is but its still profitable.

People arent buying android phones because android is "open". Maybe techies do but everybody else is buying them because they have better features, bigger screens, more powerful, more customizable, better reception, better plans on more carriers...

They are just better devices. Just like the ipad is just better than most tablets right now.

you left out cheap.. and every where.. my girl is an apple fan but a tmobile user.. so she got an android phone until she can get one on her carrier..

49.99 iPhone 3GS on apple.com says hi.
Metropcs androids cost 200 and up...same as iPhones on vzw and AT&T
High level androids on all carriers cost the same as iPhones on vzw and AT&T in fact some androids are more expensive.

App stores existed before apple, they just made it cooler. U can also use the online version of the android market to send apps to your phone. On apple devices u need the app store installed.

Htc had touch screens before the iPhone, claiming touch screens were aple innovations is bullshit, that's like saying web os is an apple rip off when it has the best ui of any mobile device.

Weak excuses u got there dude.

the $49 iphone is a last gen phone that is still a viable competitor now...

last gen android phones are only good for techies

say hello to that
 
Nope. You arent a developer so I wouldnt expect you to understand. What you have proposed as a solution is actually the way it has already been operating since its inception. Also, there is not translation. That is not developer-speak. Iterating for multiple different distros is not an easy task. Most companies don´t have the resources to make sure their application runs perfectly on all the most common android distributions. And you can´t pay a ´small one time fee´to run on different devices. Even the platforms like mult-platform frameworks rhomobile and titanium dont even allow you to run an iphone and android as advertised and I know because ive used them. Optimizing for multiple platforms is a model is too complex even for large companies like facebook. That is why everyone is pushing html5 as it simply is too difficult to developer for multiple different platforms and then several iterations of android.

which is it?

just chill out and think before you go on with your essay next time please

I didn't say it was going to be magical/one shot/cure-all solution but this is a way to solve the problem you put forth .. if you failed to articulate the problem adequately then look to that rather than the inadequate solution
 
and no one, no one feels like shit more than Motorola :lol:


they gave apple the reason to make the iphone


iphone originally was just going the android route.. apply itunes on phones.. but motorola fucked that up.. so apple did it themselves.....
 
yet apple haters are are holding on to flash like its the perfect partner to android. google wants to get rid of it too, but html5 in the end helps android and every other apple competitor fight a better fight against apple.
.

Flash fucking sucks...just an inefficient battery eating piece of shit. I just
don´t get why people defend it so much. It still has huge penetration but I dont see a future for flash.
 
which is it?

just chill out and think before you go on with your essay next time please

I didn't say it was going to be magical/one shot/cure-all solution but this is a way to solve the problem you put forth .. if you failed to articulate the problem adequately then look to that rather than the inadequate solution

I don´t even think you understood the response. What you proposed as a solution is what is already present and currently does not work. Most companies dont try to even cover the entire android market because it is too cost prohibitive. There is not conflict with the two statement you hightlighted. Seriously, you need to stop trying to debate in technical threads when it isnt your area, obviously. You don´t understand what you are attempting to debate. The shit that you are proposing is how the market CURRENTLY works for the first half of your statement..and second part is IDIOTIC because you just cant magically port software to several distributions and pay a one-time fee. You have to manually customize and iteration for multiple distributions. Shit is fucking idiotic to even make that statement in the first place and you would get laughed at in a room of developers talking that nonsense.

I develop mobile applications chump. I ship ipas and mobile provisions several times per week and a couple of people in this thread will know exactly what that means.

I swear you clowns really irritate me. Havent shipped a line of code in your entire life and want to debate with developers about customizing code for multiple platforms.

There is no way to port to multiple distributions in the way you theorized in the second part of your statement. It is technically impossible. Even the companies that have products to develop on their framework and ship on the Iphone and Android marketing are false advertising because when you port the code, the code wont run the same and never will...because you cant get things on Titanium for instance to run like a Objective-C application.

easy fix: have a master source code (for the OS) and an internal development team for each class of device to help translate it at a cost to the current device ...

let me help you out. You have the source code that google releases to their partners that are in their oem program and they can customize for their device. This is how it already works.
so a developer submits one app and a small one time fee to have it translated for that OS release and all it's update

This is not possible. There is not way to pay a small one time fee and port code to multiple devices. When you are running code on multiple devices, you are essentially running a separate version of the code and you have to independently update that code and specs based on that iteration. There is no way to code the main source and then port and run without producing a myriad of problems. That is an impossibility of software development. So the second part of what you are proposing is an impossibility of reality. It is an impossiblity fo client-server software and anyone that even proposes it illustrates a basic lack of understanding of software development.

I am not bullshitting, you would get kicked out of room proposing this to programmers... that is a prime reason why software programmers HATE non-technical programmers because they propose technically impossible shit as if it were ´simple´ because they have no clue what they are talking about in the first place.
 
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Flash fucking sucks...just an inefficient battery eating piece of shit. I just
don´t get why people defend it so much. It still has huge penetration but I dont see a future for flash.

I mean some of us do like to be able to see web pages as they are without half the shit on the page missing. Plus with flash 10.2 I can load a page on my evo WITH flash faster than an iphone can without it.
 
I mean some of us do like to be able to see web pages as they are without half the shit on the page missing. Plus with flash 10.2 I can load a page on my evo WITH flash faster than an iphone can without it.

Oh, I can understand that. Unfortunately, flash has huge market share on the web and that effects any type of browsing experience. This has nothing to do with a preference in terms of a company. You can run skyfire on the iphone.I´ve hated flash ever since the late 90s because it was horrible for SEO..and that was back when you could really manipulate search engine robots with cloking, etc. From a technical standpoint, Flash is just very horrible technology that is bloated and overconsumes processing power. But the best technical doesnt always in the market wars.
 
it cracks me up when yall brag about how much you're paying companies...

thats like a hoe bragging about how much she made her pimp...
or old church ladies bragging about their pastors new caddillac....

No one is bragging about shit. Niggas saying all developers will flock to Android. I just said that until developers are making more money off Android the won't. Relax bruh. You might hate Apple enough that money don't matter but developers want to get paid.
 
Flash fucking sucks...just an inefficient battery eating piece of shit. I just
don´t get why people defend it so much.
It still has huge penetration but I dont see a future for flash.

cause apple was against it

if apple would beg for george bush to return to office if steve jobs said he was a die hard democrat
 
when apple puts there os on other phone other then the iphone is when they can make a comeback.

why would they do that?

your aware that apple is both a software and hardware company right?

it's not just a closed system.. its their system

it's the reason motorola and hp are gearing up to release their own os..
 
why would they do that?

your aware that apple is both a software and hardware company right?

It is contrary to their principles however, the higher margins are in software long-term. This is equivalent to the PC wars... Apple is winning the short term battle...but I would bet anything by the end of this decade their share of the profits in the smart phone market is a MUCH smaller percentage than it is now.

They will own the market for years...but they could have owned it for the foreeable future if they licensed it out..

Android wouldnt be a player if they did so..

just like Microsoft would have been a bit player if Apple licensed their OS software in the early 80s...

And they could have still sold a premium version of their Iphone with a more advanced distro..

But now, they have to fight it out....but so far, they are doing well..
 
It is contrary to their principles however, the higher margins are in software long-term. This is equivalent to the PC wars... Apple is winning the short term battle...but I would bet anything by the end of this decade their share of the profits in the smart phone market is a MUCH smaller percentage than it is now.

They will own the market for years...but they could have owned it for the foreeable future if they licensed it out..

Android wouldnt be a player if they did so..

just like Microsoft would have been a bit player if Apple licensed their OS software in the early 80s...

And they could have still sold a premium version of their Iphone with a more advanced distro..

But now, they have to fight it out....but so far, they are doing well..

everyone is going to be singing a different tune in a few years..

when the cloud does properly take off in the corporate world.. ms will not only release server, desktop os and exhange, they will offer thin hardware clients cutting out dell, hp etc
 
when the cloud does properly take off in the corporate world..
I was selling on demand softare in the 2000... I think people really underestimate how far companies are willing to go in the ´cloud´. CRM software (salesforce.com), etc is one thing....most large companies are not going to run mission-critical applications on another companies servers where they lost control over their data. Company will create their own clouds, maybe run some nonmission critical apps (mostly consumer side) on AWS, etc... but think people are still overestimated how much data will go in the cloud(on third party provider services).... more consumer related application....yes.. But I still think we are a decade away from the enterprise market really having huge update. I still think you are going to see MS, Oracle, etc... the standard stacks..
 
meh.. hard to tell.. your not wrong.. but i have faith in apple products cause they do believe in quality.

steve needs to create a proper transition is all.. ballmer is killing and exposing microsoft for the weak company it is but its still profitable.



you left out cheap.. and every where.. my girl is an apple fan but a tmobile user.. so she got an android phone until she can get one on her carrier..



the $49 iphone is a last gen phone that is still a viable competitor now...

last gen android phones are only good for techies

say hello to that

Last gen android phones are discontinued. Last gen iPhones go on sale for 49.99, last gen androids aren't on metropcs but last gen iPhones r on apple.com... Dude said androids r cheap as hell yet the cheapest android is 100bucks and get no pub the cheapest iPhone is 50 and r getting pushed so what's really cheap?
iPhone 4 is 200 with 2 yr... Evo was 249 on 2 yr....iPhone cats love to scream android is cheap yet apple outdoes android in cheapness...and they wanna ma,e the iPhone 5 cheaper.... Let's not mention the parts, apple uses cheap parts which is why the call quality regularly sucks, everyone else uses regular radios.... Apple is cheap in a lot of ways android is not...yet iPhone cats love scream cheap when it comes to android...hell u iPhone cats r proud u pay 120 a month for an iPhone where other android users pay less for better quality and same service...just because iPhone users r suckers and simps for apple and Steve jobs doesn't make android any less better.
 
Until Android starts SELLING, not having pirated, more apps than the Apple app store, developers ain't going nowhere. How many of those Android phones actually purchase apps?

Hell, how many Android Stans on BGOL actually purchase apps?

I do, because $2 or $5 is nothing. I pay for what I like to support.

BGOL isn't the real world, in the real world people pay for movies, music, porn and software.
 
I do, because $2 or $5 is nothing. I pay for what I like to support.

BGOL isn't the real world, in the real world people pay for movies, music, porn and software.

this is the point people fail to see..

when most bgol folk say they want OPEN they really mean free

bgol folk are not the real target market
 
Last gen android phones are discontinued.

and they complain about apple refreshes :smh:

a new model does not discontinue the old model..

this is why new os' updates are worthless in an android world.. unless you buy a new phone or root.
 
I love how fan boys turned a iPhone discussion in to.

Well the iPad is the most popular tablet :lol:

Do you dummies see the trend :confused:

Or are your heads just too far up Jobs ass :smh:
 
and they complain about apple refreshes :smh:

a new model does not discontinue the old model..

this is why new os' updates are worthless in an android world.. unless you buy a new phone or root.

The first and second iPhone isn't discontinued? Can the first iPhone run iOS 4.3? Nope apple said it can't. The iPhone 3G barely runs earlier iOS 4....android is on 2.2/2.3 now yet the g1 can run 2.1 and yes if u root it can run 2.3 ....my touch 3G just got 2.2 officially from htc today...so Y can apple discontinue earlier models but android cannot?
 
I undestand that completely. Apple is nearly profiting more than all of those other manufacturers combined.

However, the reality of the matter is that Android is going to begin to putting pricing pressure on Apple. They have already begun to sell less-expensive models as a way of going down market to compete.

The pricing pressure wont happen in the tablet market anytime soon... but the pricing pressure is coming to the smartphone market now and it will affect their overall profit margins....especially considering a bulk of their corporate profits come from the smart phone market.

The iphone is only $199. There just are not any phones that can compete with that price or app store.

The problem with Android is that it is so fragmented. Most android phones suck unless you purchase the highends ones.
 
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That part is obvious. However, I am speaking on overall adoption. Not even Google thought Android would have such rapid adoption in the first place.

The numbers are off because Androids are placed on low end phones. You can grt a pre paid phone with android on it:smh:. I would love to see the number for highend smart phones
 
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