America: Freedom to Facism (I ain't payin' no motherfuckin' income tax)

bromack1

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BrooklynRebel said:
last question: Why should we let it continue? I guess we're waiting for Martial Law before we take a stand

Its like this "grasshopper."

Its been debated for years to abolish the current "income tax" system and in its replacement use what's called a "value" added tax. A "value" added tax is borne by the producer or manufacterer and the price of the goods is passed down the line already taxed.

Follow this pattern. It costs 1 dollar for an orange coming from an orange farmer. The orange farmer puts the value added tax of 5cents on the product which next goes to a wholesaler. The wholesaler pays $1.05 for the orange and then passes it down to the "retail" store with the wholesale handling fee of 25 cents. The consumer goes to the grocery store and picks up the orange at the retail price plus the 5 cents which was picked up by the producer.

As a consumer, you don't see a tax at all on the goods... why ... cause it was already paid. The tax is still there, its just not on the price when you hit the check out counter.

I hope you learned something new... now go tell mama about the "value added" tax system as an alternative to the 800 pound gorilla called the IRS.

Good luck.... if you succeed in organizing a protest... give me a call... I really wanna see how you attempt change a system thats just way to big to move.... like an 800 pound gorilla.
 

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bromack1 said:
as I said before I NEVER SAID I WASN"T GOING TO PAY ALL MY TAXES... I ain't bout re-explain nothin' get yo read on or shut up cuz you're repeating shit said before. damn people don't read just wanna chime in. oh well... moving on

I don't "care" whether you pay your taxes or not. Its not my problem. However, stay away from these groups that are organized as "tax protestors."

Interestingly, thats what got Wesley Snipes in trouble with the IRS. He had the "gall" and sheer idiocy to believe he could get out of paying tax money to the IRS. And it was a Tax Lawyer and CPA that sold him the idea. Wesley even paid these guys money for there tax advice. Where did it get him, a federal indictment along with back taxes plus interest and penalties.

Its a stupid idea to play with the tax man.....
 

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BrooklynRebel said:
bromack1 said:
as I said before I NEVER SAID I WASN"T GOING TO PAY ALL MY TAXES... I ain't bout re-explain nothin' get yo read on or shut up cuz you're repeating shit said before. damn people don't read just wanna chime in. oh well... moving on

Fuck it....whatever, this thread needs porno.


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By the way spend your time with at www.fairtax.org and www.blackgirlonline.com
I like BGOL because of the porno, and I like fairtax because of the tax issues...don't get it twisted.
 

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BrooklynRebel said:
Fuck it....whatever, this thread needs porno.


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By the way spend your time with at www.fairtax.org and www.blackgirlonline.com
I like BGOL because of the porno, and I like fairtax because of the tax issues...don't get it twisted.

I don't wanna put "words in your mouth" but, it would seem that you're implying that this site is only for porn... if so I'm bout to go check some out, fuck this it's getting nowhere fast :lol:

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KhowYunFat

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THREAD ALIVE

Or should i say resuscitated let me say a couple of things from PERSONAL experience this documentary is a good one, and it helps you see the bigger picture. Two good post although i been saw this doc, im sure some havent saw it, or some saw it along time ago and maybe didnt see it since so props to you. lastly for all the posters on their high horse as if they know what they say is truth dont put stock in their words. Now follow closely to get out of the web which is the IRS is very time consuming and very tedious, but is possible i ve borne witness to it, all i can say is this, if you've alreayd started paying its tougher to stop but if you know cats who never paid (ie young cats or cats that never really worked and never gotten assistance) then its waaayyy easier. and its no fucking conspiracy theory bullshit, its just one simple process learning the law.


No seriously learn the law, remember ignorance of the law is no defense, even though they use English in court they're not speaking English like Websters their speaking...... im off on tangents the point is good post informative and keep digging and never listen to anyone who says change cant occur, else we'd still be picking cotton, well not really but.....again with my tangents.....
 

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i have a question-if you pay no taxes since everyone always bitching about paying them-how will we pay for things such as:
schools and teachers, roads, police and emergency infrastructure, fire dept, hospital etc.?

i always want to know that from people who are only thinking of themselves when they want to skip paying taxes. I dont know anyone who doesnt pay any taxes and until i meet a person myself who ahs done this and not seen something online i wont even consider believing that.
 

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Rembrandt said:
i have a question-if you pay no taxes since everyone always bitching about paying them-how will we pay for things such as:
schools and teachers, roads, police and emergency infrastructure, fire dept, hospital etc.?

i always want to know that from people who are only thinking of themselves when they want to skip paying taxes. I dont know anyone who doesnt pay any taxes and until i meet a person myself who ahs done this and not seen something online i wont even consider believing that.

RESURRECTION HUH? OK

FOR THE 100TH TIME NO ONE IS SAYINT NOT TO PAY TAXES...INCOME TAXES SERVE ONLY TO FATTIN' THE CORPORATE/GOVERNMENT POKET. PEOPLE ACT LIKE INCOME TAX IS THE ONLY TAX THERE IS. THERE ARE SHIT LOADS OF OTHER TAXES YOU PAY ALL THE TIME. LOOK AT YOUR PAYCHECK AND TELL ME WHAT THEM TAXES ARE.
 
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if i'm late then so be it but, I'm just tryin' to inform myself and those who still don't know about the bullshit. Everyone in here is grown or at least they should be. Call me what you want cause e-beef is for bitches, I'm just getting informed and informing. :hmm:
aiight aiight youre doing good cuzzzz......... but really dont fcuk with them beetches 'cos all theyre lookin' for is any lil' reason to throw yo ass in jail....

SO... PAY YO FCUKIN' TAXES!!!...... FCUK GETTIN' FCUKED IN JAIL!!! FCUK JAIL!!!!!!!
 

TaxMan

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BrooklynRebel said:
TaxMan said:
I don't wanna put "words in your mouth" but, it would seem that you're implying that this site is only for porn... if so I'm bout to go check some out, fuck this it's getting nowhere fast :lol:

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boy, And, I do mean boy, do you know what scarism mean.....Nigga please
 

KhowYunFat

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Rembrandt said:
i have a question-if you pay no taxes since everyone always bitching about paying them-how will we pay for things such as:
schools and teachers, roads, police and emergency infrastructure, fire dept, hospital etc.?

i always want to know that from people who are only thinking of themselves when they want to skip paying taxes. I dont know anyone who doesnt pay any taxes and until i meet a person myself who ahs done this and not seen something online i wont even consider believing that.

income taxes aren't responsible for things like highway upkeep and other myths, and i agree with you until YOU meet someone who you can in turn trust fully just keep on keeping on. and im not saying this to be an ass i mean it, it would be cheaper and less of a headache time wise (which equates to money in my book) to just pay your taxes unless you find yourself in a windfall of money or land, then you should rethink this, but if your just a regular 9 to 5'er its way easier to swallow the blue pill.......again im being serious not being a smart ass......
 

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income taxes aren't responsible for things like highway upkeep and other myths, and i agree with you until YOU meet someone who you can in turn trust fully just keep on keeping on. and im not saying this to be an ass i mean it, it would be cheaper and less of a headache time wise (which equates to money in my book) to just pay your taxes unless you find yourself in a windfall of money or land, then you should rethink this, but if your just a regular 9 to 5'er its way easier to swallow the blue pill.......again im being serious not being a smart ass......

You're correct in saying "income" taxes don't pay for highway and up keep. Part of it is done through "gasoline" tax. And then consider "sales" tax and if you own property, real estate taxes...

Taxes are not a myth.... the government gets its money from you in other ways than just your weekly paycheck.
 

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BrooklynRebel said:
I don't "care" whether you pay your taxes or not. Its not my problem. However, stay away from these groups that are organized as "tax protestors."

Interestingly, thats what got Wesley Snipes in trouble with the IRS. He had the "gall" and sheer idiocy to believe he could get out of paying tax money to the IRS. And it was a Tax Lawyer and CPA that sold him the idea. Wesley even paid these guys money for there tax advice. Where did it get him, a federal indictment along with back taxes plus interest and penalties.

Its a stupid idea to play with the tax man.....

You tell those greedy *******!


 

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bromack1 said:
You're correct in saying "income" taxes don't pay for highway and up keep. Part of it is done through "gasoline" tax. And then consider "sales" tax and if you own property, real estate taxes...

Taxes are not a myth.... the government gets its money from you in other ways than just your weekly paycheck.

Isn't it specifically the income tax that's being discussed here? As I understand it it's the only tax mixed up with this whole "voluntary compliance" BS; all other taxes are automatically assessed and extracted by the government along with being clearly and unequivocally stated in print as necessarily required.

 

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The Lawnmower Man said:
Isn't it specifically the income tax that's being discussed here? As I understand it it's the only tax mixed up with this whole "voluntary compliance" BS; all other taxes are automatically assessed and extracted by the government along with being clearly and unequivocally stated in print as necessarily required.





The income tax is voluntary.
This is a corruption of statements made by the IRS, the courts, and Congress to encourage taxpayer compliance with the tax laws, without the need for legal action against taxpayers.

A quotation frequently taken out of context by tax protesters is the following by the U.S. Supreme Court:

"Our tax system is based upon voluntary assessment and payment and not upon distraint." Flora v. United States, 362 U.S. 145, 175.
This quotation is out of context, because the court first noted that the government could collect the tax by exercising its power of distraint, "but we cannot believe that completing resort to this extraordinary procedure is either wise or in accord with congressional intent." 362 U.S. at 175. In other words, Congress can collect taxes by force, but the court believed that Congress intended to give taxpayers an opportunity to comply before exercising that force.

This is better explained in Helvering v. Mitchell, 303 U.S. 391, 399 (1938), (which was cited in the Flora decision), as follows:

"In assessing income taxes, the Government relies primarily upon the disclosure by the taxpayer of the relevant facts. This disclosure it requires him to make in his annual return. To ensure full and honest disclosure, to discourage fraudulent attempts to evade the tax, Congress imposes sanctions. Such sanctions may confessedly be either criminal or civil."
See also, Ginter v. Southern, 611 F.2d 1226, 1229 & n.2 (8th Cir. 1979), cert. den., 446 U.S. 967 (1980); Funk v. Commissioner, 687 F.2d 264, 265 (8th Cir. 1982). When confronted by claims that income taxes are "voluntary," courts readily explain that the payment of income tax is mandatory, not optional:

"Appellants' claim that payment of federal income tax is voluntary clearly lacks substance. See Newman v. Schiff, 778 F.2d 460, 467 (8th Cir. 1985)." United States v. Gerads, 999 F.2d 1255 (8th Cir. 1993), cert. den. 510 U.S. 1193 (1994).
"The payment of income taxes is not optional ... and the average citizen knows that payment of income taxes is legally required." Schiff v. United States, 919 F.2d 830, 834 (2nd Cir. 1990).
"As the cited cases, as well as many others, have made abundantly clear, the following arguments alluded to by the Lonsdales are completely lacking in legal merit and patently frivolous: ... (6) the income tax is voluntary... " Lonsdale v. United States, 919 F.2d 1440, 1448 (10th Cir. 1990).
"Any assertion that the payment of income taxes is voluntary is without merit. It is without question that the payment of income taxes is not voluntary. United States v. Gerads, 999 F.2d 1255, 1256 (8th Cir. 1993), (per curiam); Wilcox v. Commissioner of Internal Revenue, 848 F.2d 1007, 1008 (9th Cir. 1988). The assertion that the filing of an income tax return is voluntary is, likewise, frivolous. Title 26, United States Code, Section 6012(a)(1)(A), 'requires that every individual who earns a threshold level of income must file a tax return.' United States v. Pottorf, 769 F.Supp. 1176, 1183 (D.Kan. 1991). Failure to file an income tax return subjects an individual to criminal penalty. Id., (citing 26 U.S.C. § 7203)." United States v. Hartman, 915 F.Supp. 1227 (M.D.Fla. 1996).
"Based on his belief that the income tax system is based on voluntary compliance, Beresford wrote the IRS to explain that he had voluntarily chosen not to comply and would not be paying overdue income taxes for 1987, 1988, and 1989. The IRS issued a federal tax lien against him, which it satisfied by withholding $14,609.97 from the sale of Beresford's house in October 1999. Beresford seeks to recover that sum plus interest and costs. He also seeks a permanent injunction 'forbidding defendant from contacting him against his wishes and from directly or indirectly interfering in any other aspect of his life.' Complaint at 11. ... Beresford's primary contention, however, that the federal income tax system is based on voluntary compliance, has been held to be 'completely lacking in legal merit and patently frivolous.' Lonsdale v. United States, 919 F.2d 1440, 1448 (10th Cir. 1990); Wilcox v. Commissioner of the Internal Revenue, 848 F.2d 1007, 1008 (9th Cir. 1988)." Steven M. Beresford v. IRS, et al., 86 AFTR2d Par. 2000-5200, No. 00-293-KI (July 13, 2000).
"The federal income tax is not voluntary, and a person may not elect to opt out of the federal tax laws by a unilateral act of revocation and recission. See, e.g., Lesoon v. Commissioner of Internal Revenue, 141 F.3d 1185, 1998 WL 166114 (10th Cir. 1998); United States v. Gerads, 999 F.2d 1255, 1256 (8th Cir. 1993); Damron v. Yellow Freight System, Inc., 18 F. Supp. 2d 812, 819-20 (E.D. Tenn. 1998), aff'd, 188 F.3d 506 (6th Cir. 1999)." United States v. John L. Sasscer, 86 AFTR2d Par. 2000-5317, No. Y-97-3026 (D.C. Md. 9/25/2000), (footnote omitted).
"Upon review of May's amended peition, we find no allegations of fact which could give rise to a valid claim; rather, the complaint merely contains conclusory assertions attacking the constitutionality of the Internal Revenue Code and its application to the taxpayer.[Footnote omitted.] Tax protest cases like this one raise no genuine controversy; the underlying legal issues have long been settled. See, e.g., Abrams, 82 T.C. at 406-07 (citing cases rejecting similar arguments). Because May's petition raised no justiciable claims, the Tax Court properly dismissed the petition for failure to state a claim." May v. C.I.R., 752 F.2d 1301, 1302 (8th Cir. 1985), (among other things, May's amended complaint alleged that "The filing of an 'imcome' [sic] tax return is 'VOLUNTARY' and penalties can not be instituted against a voluntary act since to do so would make the act 'mandatory.'" 752 F.2d at 1304, note 3).
"His [Harris's] claims that the payment of federal income taxes is voluntary, and that the IRS fraudulently induced him to pay his taxes by withholding that fact, are clearly without merit. See United States v. Raymond, 228 F.3d 804, 812 (7th Cir. 2000); Hyslep v. United States, 765 F.2d 1083, 1084 (11th Cir. 1985); Funk v. Commissioner of Internal Revenue, 687 F.2d 264, 265 (8th Cir. 1982)."
Harris v. Irene Kinahan, et al., 87 AFTR2d Par. 2001-984, No. 00-5258 (3rd Cir. 18 May 2001).

Don't listen to this man...read my brother :lol: :lol: :lol:
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The income tax is voluntary.
This is a corruption of statements made by the IRS, the courts, and Congress to encourage taxpayer compliance with the tax laws, without the need for legal action against taxpayers.

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And so whats your point.... you tellin people not to pay personal income tax...Thats how all Wesley Snipes problems got started....its like this with me... I aint goin to jail because of something I read off the internet.
 

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bromack1 said:
And so whats your point.... you tellin people not to pay personal income tax...Thats how all Wesley Snipes problems got started....its like this with me... I aint goin to jail because of something I read off the internet.

this is a problem with a little bit of knowledge.


I was using sarcasm...the next time I will use this

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then the next sentence said this...
A quotation frequently taken out of context by tax protesters is the following by the U.S. Supreme Court

nigga read.

Here read this...


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do you understand that. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


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bigirl

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bromack1 said:
Its like this "grasshopper."

Its been debated for years to abolish the current "income tax" system and in its replacement use what's called a "value" added tax. A "value" added tax is borne by the producer or manufacterer and the price of the goods is passed down the line already taxed.

Follow this pattern. It costs 1 dollar for an orange coming from an orange farmer. The orange farmer puts the value added tax of 5cents on the product which next goes to a wholesaler. The wholesaler pays $1.05 for the orange and then passes it down to the "retail" store with the wholesale handling fee of 25 cents. The consumer goes to the grocery store and picks up the orange at the retail price plus the 5 cents which was picked up by the producer.

As a consumer, you don't see a tax at all on the goods... why ... cause it was already paid. The tax is still there, its just not on the price when you hit the check out counter.

Well this is the system we have in my country. There is no income tax. There is, however, 25% duties on anything that comes into the country except books, food and fishing equipment. If you bring it in yourself, you pay the 25%. If a distributor/wholesaler does, they pay it and when you go to the store, its built in and you don't see it. Trust me, it ain't no picnic neither. SHIT MAD EXPENSIVE HERE!!!!!! So if I buy a boat on a next island or Miami for 10 G I gotta pay the shipping and then have a next $2500 before I can get my boat from customs. If I don't have it when the boat reach, then I pay daily storage charges. Also EXPENSIVE! Just showing you the flip side of the coin.

Now, as for the US, what I have been told is that if you never signed a W2 or W4, you do not have to pay taxes but the first time you sign one, you sign your rights away. Does anyone else know about this?

Also, big up for posting the link! I heard about this movie but couldn't see it cause I wasn't in the states. I am THRILLED to be able to see the whole thing.
 

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bigirl said:
Well this is the system we have in my country. There is no income tax. There is, however, 25% duties on anything that comes into the country except books, food and fishing equipment. If you bring it in yourself, you pay the 25%. If a distributor/wholesaler does, they pay it and when you go to the store, its built in and you don't see it. Trust me, it ain't no picnic neither. SHIT MAD EXPENSIVE HERE!!!!!! So if I buy a boat on a next island or Miami for 10 G I gotta pay the shipping and then have a next $2500 before I can get my boat from customs. If I don't have it when the boat reach, then I pay daily storage charges. Also EXPENSIVE! Just showing you the flip side of the coin.

Now, as for the US, what I have been told is that if you never signed a W2 or W4, you do not have to pay taxes but the first time you sign one, you sign your rights away. Does anyone else know about this?

Also, big up for posting the link! I heard about this movie but couldn't see it cause I wasn't in the states. I am THRILLED to be able to see the whole thing.

First of all, you get a W-2. You sign W-4. And no it isn't true.

The Federal Income tax isn't voluntary. If you don't believe me, ask our U.S. Supreme Court Justices.

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By the way we didn't go to the moon, the moon landing was a hoax. :lol:

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bigirl said:
Now, as for the US, what I have been told is that if you never signed a W2 or W4, you do not have to pay taxes but the first time you sign one, you sign your rights away. Does anyone else know about this?

well thats not exactly accurate but its a real simplified way of looking at things, well its true, but not accurate it s more to it than just not signing forms, and nothing in this country permanent except the three big ones, but then we're not talking about this country we're talking about the IRS.....good thread BKRebel and good post Biggirl....oh and i would agree with the poster who said they wouldnt believe anythiing they find on the net nothing this serious thats real, as for some of these other posters well....you know....its always someone telling you why you wouldnt want to have a pet monkey..
 

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The income tax is voluntary.
This is a corruption of statements made by the IRS, the courts, and Congress to encourage taxpayer compliance with the tax laws, without the need for legal action against taxpayers.

A quotation frequently taken out of context by tax protesters is the following by the U.S. Supreme Court:

"Our tax system is based upon voluntary assessment and payment and not upon distraint." Flora v. United States, 362 U.S. 145, 175.
This quotation is out of context, because the court first noted that the government could collect the tax by exercising its power of distraint, "but we cannot believe that completing resort to this extraordinary procedure is either wise or in accord with congressional intent." 362 U.S. at 175. In other words, Congress can collect taxes by force, but the court believed that Congress intended to give taxpayers an opportunity to comply before exercising that force.

Hmm, why don't I see the term "income tax" anywhere in that passage?" I mean that's the issue at hand right? ..the income tax, am I right?


This is better explained in Helvering v. Mitchell, 303 U.S. 391, 399 (1938), (which was cited in the Flora decision), as follows:

"In assessing income taxes, the Government relies primarily upon the disclosure by the taxpayer of the relevant facts. This disclosure it requires him to make in his annual return. To ensure full and honest disclosure, to discourage fraudulent attempts to evade the tax, Congress imposes sanctions. Such sanctions may confessedly be either criminal or civil." See also, Ginter v. Southern, 611 F.2d 1226, 1229 & n.2 (8th Cir. 1979), cert. den., 446 U.S. 967 (1980);

Again, nothing is really said about a requirement to pay an income tax, and again this whole passage is largely irrelevant to the actual discussion.


Funk v. Commissioner, 687 F.2d 264, 265 (8th Cir. 1982). When confronted by claims that income taxes are "voluntary," courts readily explain that the payment of income tax is mandatory, not optional:

"Appellants' claim that payment of federal income tax is voluntary clearly lacks substance. See Newman v. Schiff, 778 F.2d 460, 467 (8th Cir. 1985)." United States v. Gerads, 999 F.2d 1255 (8th Cir. 1993), cert. den. 510 U.S. 1193 (1994).
"The payment of income taxes is not optional ... and the average citizen knows that payment of income taxes is legally required." Schiff v. United States, 919 F.2d 830, 834 (2nd Cir. 1990).
"As the cited cases, as well as many others, have made abundantly clear, the following arguments alluded to by the Lonsdales are completely lacking in legal merit and patently frivolous: ... (6) the income tax is voluntary... " Lonsdale v. United States, 919 F.2d 1440, 1448 (10th Cir. 1990).
"Any assertion that the payment of income taxes is voluntary is without merit. It is without question that the payment of income taxes is not voluntary. United States v. Gerads, 999 F.2d 1255, 1256 (8th Cir. 1993), (per curiam); Wilcox v. Commissioner of Internal Revenue, 848 F.2d 1007, 1008 (9th Cir. 1988). The assertion that the filing of an income tax return is voluntary is, likewise, frivolous. Title 26, United States Code, Section 6012(a)(1)(A), 'requires that every individual who earns a threshold level of income must file a tax return.' United States v. Pottorf, 769 F.Supp. 1176, 1183 (D.Kan. 1991). Failure to file an income tax return subjects an individual to criminal penalty. Id., (citing 26 U.S.C. § 7203)." United States v. Hartman, 915 F.Supp. 1227 (M.D.Fla. 1996).
"Based on his belief that the income tax system is based on voluntary compliance, Beresford wrote the IRS to explain that he had voluntarily chosen not to comply and would not be paying overdue income taxes for 1987, 1988, and 1989. The IRS issued a federal tax lien against him, which it satisfied by withholding $14,609.97 from the sale of Beresford's house in October 1999. Beresford seeks to recover that sum plus interest and costs. He also seeks a permanent injunction 'forbidding defendant from contacting him against his wishes and from directly or indirectly interfering in any other aspect of his life.' Complaint at 11. ... Beresford's primary contention, however, that the federal income tax system is based on voluntary compliance, has been held to be 'completely lacking in legal merit and patently frivolous.' Lonsdale v. United States, 919 F.2d 1440, 1448 (10th Cir. 1990); Wilcox v. Commissioner of the Internal Revenue, 848 F.2d 1007, 1008 (9th Cir. 1988)." Steven M. Beresford v. IRS, et al., 86 AFTR2d Par. 2000-5200, No. 00-293-KI (July 13, 2000).
"The federal income tax is not voluntary, and a person may not elect to opt out of the federal tax laws by a unilateral act of revocation and recission. See, e.g., Lesoon v. Commissioner of Internal Revenue, 141 F.3d 1185, 1998 WL 166114 (10th Cir. 1998); United States v. Gerads, 999 F.2d 1255, 1256 (8th Cir. 1993); Damron v. Yellow Freight System, Inc., 18 F. Supp. 2d 812, 819-20 (E.D. Tenn. 1998), aff'd, 188 F.3d 506 (6th Cir. 1999)." United States v. John L. Sasscer, 86 AFTR2d Par. 2000-5317, No. Y-97-3026 (D.C. Md. 9/25/2000), (footnote omitted).
"Upon review of May's amended peition, we find no allegations of fact which could give rise to a valid claim; rather, the complaint merely contains conclusory assertions attacking the constitutionality of the Internal Revenue Code and its application to the taxpayer.[Footnote omitted.] Tax protest cases like this one raise no genuine controversy; the underlying legal issues have long been settled. See, e.g., Abrams, 82 T.C. at 406-07 (citing cases rejecting similar arguments). Because May's petition raised no justiciable claims, the Tax Court properly dismissed the petition for failure to state a claim." May v. C.I.R., 752 F.2d 1301, 1302 (8th Cir. 1985), (among other things, May's amended complaint alleged that "The filing of an 'imcome' [sic] tax return is 'VOLUNTARY' and penalties can not be instituted against a voluntary act since to do so would make the act 'mandatory.'" 752 F.2d at 1304, note 3).
"His [Harris's] claims that the payment of federal income taxes is voluntary, and that the IRS fraudulently induced him to pay his taxes by withholding that fact, are clearly without merit. See United States v. Raymond, 228 F.3d 804, 812 (7th Cir. 2000); Hyslep v. United States, 765 F.2d 1083, 1084 (11th Cir. 1985); Funk v. Commissioner of Internal Revenue, 687 F.2d 264, 265 (8th Cir. 1982)."
Harris v. Irene Kinahan, et al., 87 AFTR2d Par. 2001-984, No. 00-5258 (3rd Cir. 18 May 2001).

Don't listen to this man...read my brother :lol: :lol: :lol:
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I bet you were banking on the fact that I'd Powell's advice, huh? Allow me to summarize that whole thing for everyone did however:

Taxpayer: the income tax is voluntary as I have understood the written law; if not please be so kind as to point out the specific law.

Court: your case is frivolous, you KNOW you're supposed to pay and you didn't so we're going take your money and maybe some of all that free time you seem to have.​

"The payment of income taxes is not optional ... and the average citizen knows that payment of income taxes is legally required."


In other words you haven't said jack shit! You're nothing more than some hyped up, obnoxious prick trying to run a petty confidence game. Get the fuck outta here with that silly shit.


 

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The Lawnmower Man said:
Hmm, why don't I see the term "income tax" anywhere in that passage?" I mean that's the issue at hand right? ..the income tax, am I right?

You didn't bother to read. :lol: :lol: :lol:


Congress can collect taxes by force, but the court believed that Congress intended to give taxpayers an opportunity to comply before exercising that force.

This is better explained in Helvering v. Mitchell, 303 U.S. 391, 399 (1938), (which was cited in the Flora decision), as follows:

"In assessing income taxes, the Government relies primarily upon the disclosure by the taxpayer of the relevant facts. This disclosure it requires him to make in his annual return. To ensure full and honest disclosure, to discourage fraudulent attempts to evade the tax, Congress imposes sanctions. Such sanctions may confessedly be either criminal or civil."



:dance: :dance: :dance: Remember to file your income taxes by April 17.
 

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TaxMan said:
You didn't bother to read. :lol: :lol: :lol:


Congress can collect taxes by force, but the court believed that Congress intended to give taxpayers an opportunity to comply before exercising that force.

This is better explained in Helvering v. Mitchell, 303 U.S. 391, 399 (1938), (which was cited in the Flora decision), as follows:

"In assessing income taxes, the Government relies primarily upon the disclosure by the taxpayer of the relevant facts. This disclosure it requires him to make in his annual return. To ensure full and honest disclosure, to discourage fraudulent attempts to evade the tax, Congress imposes sanctions. Such sanctions may confessedly be either criminal or civil."



:dance: :dance: :dance: Remember to file your income taxes by April 17.

You spliced my words to create a false meaning, which even a child could see through, and then you go on tell ME I need to read? Nice! What was it Harvard or Yale?

I broke the down the body of text you quoted down into sections by quote and then proceeded to comment on each section. The term "income tax" was not quoted anywhere in the particular section I was at the time addressing, a fact which is plain and obvious to anyone not deliberately trying to be a jackass.

I'll also reiterate my previous comment on the particular section you cited above.

The Lawnmower Man said:
Again, nothing is really said about a requirement to pay an income tax, and again this whole passage is largely irrelevant to the actual discussion.

So yeah, please tell me again about needing to read; oh, and while you're at it could you pretty please post some more irrelevant and misleading bullshit punctuated by oversized smiley faces? Or better yet, why don't you just shut your stupid ass up since that's what you're talking out of right ow, your ass.

It's obvious that legal or not this income tax business is putting food on your table but who's paying you to come on here and :dance: for us like this?


 

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The Lawnmower Man said:
You .

It's obvious that legal or not this income tax business is putting food on your table but who's paying you to come on here and :dance: for us like this?



www.fairtax.org www.fairtax.org

www.fairtax.org www.fairtax.org
I will surround my point with porno...so you will understand and read.

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Slavery was legal, but it wasn't right. :yes: :yes:
Our U.S. federal income tax system is legal, but it is right. :yes: :yes:

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Do you understand this!!!!!
 

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TaxMan said:
Slavery was legal, but it wasn't right.
Our U.S. federal income tax system is legal, but it is right.

Do you understand this!!!!!


Dog, why didn't you just say so from the beginning, this clears it all up. :D


 

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Oh well, I haven't file taxes for the last 5 years. I make too much money and do not have any dependents. I was tired of them mofos taking bread from me all year and then at the end of the year wanted me to kick out more bread. Come and get me.............. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
 

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TexKingJr said:
Oh well, I haven't file taxes for the last 5 years. I make too much money and do not have any dependents. I was tired of them mofos taking bread from me all year and then at the end of the year wanted me to kick out more bread. Come and get me.............. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Jail bait
 

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HOW THE IRS VIOLATES ITS OWN CODE


By Devvy Kidd
November 6, 2003
NewsWithViews.com
"....We're confiscating property now....That's socialism. It's written into the Communist Manifesto. Maybe we ought to see that every person who gets a tax return receives a copy of the Communist Manifesto with it so he can see what's happening to him."

T. Coleman Andrews, May 25, 1956, U.S. News & World Report, Commissioner of the IRS for 33 months Under the Eisenhower Administration before he resigned.

The response to my recent article, IRS Makes Chilling Proclamation, was overwhelming and really got folks angry. Good. It's about time something nudged the people of this nation out of their self induced comas to face a harsh reality: Our servant government (both Republicans and Democrats) have lied to you for the past eight decades regarding the income tax. The IRS cannot handle the situation any longer, so they are resorting to unlawful enforcement actions and using the "mainstream media" to instill even greater fear in the American people.

The big lie

The big lie is that the income tax applies to domestic Americans, when it fact, it does not. The powers that be know the American people simply don't want to believe that their favorite politician, whether it be FDR, Joe Libermann, Dana Rohrabacher, Jimmy Carter, Jesse Helms, Diane Feinstein or George Bush, Jr., have been lying to them. People would rather willfully believe the big lie than face reality. The path of least resistance and that's how slaves are made.

However, the IRS knows that more and more Americans are finding out that the income tax does not apply to domestic Americans. This is a provable fact and it is the single and only reason the IRS and DOJ reneged on the Truth-in-Taxation Hearings that were scheduled for February 27 & 28, 2002. On those days, the people were to sit in the seats normally occupied by members of Congress in an official hearing room just like you see on C-SPAN, with the IRS and DOJ sitting at tables as witnesses.

Those hearings were brokered by Congressman Roscoe Bartlett. In the end, IRS and DOJ thumbed their noses at We the People and refused to send their witnesses. You see, they couldn't. They could not take the chance that so many people would find out the truth about jurisdiction and who the income tax applies to under the law as written. This writer currently has three FOIA lawsuits in Federal District Court against Ashcroft, the IRS and Treasury in an attempt to obtain the documents revealing why DOJ and IRS reneged on the deal made for those hearings.

Because the truth has become self-evident regarding the fraudulent nature of the income tax, its deliberate misapplication against an unsuspecting, but dutiful people, the new Commissar of the IRS, Mark Everson, has begun issuing nothing less than Nazi styled proclamations that if anyone dares to expose this truth or not "pay their fair share," our servant government will step up its tyrannical attack on what used to be a free people.

If you don't own the fruits of your own labor, you are NOT free, you are a slave. Right now, petty despots in third world dumping grounds, the Pakistani government and the Russian Mafia own the fruits of your labor via your money paid to the IRS and funneled to the IMF (International Monetary Fund) via the central bank. That’s a fact.

It's the money, honey

The grind by millions of us who fully understand the monetary system in this country and its direct relationship to this insidious, progressive, direct taxation, know that none of it is necessary or essential to fund a limited form of Republican government. Neither is a flat tax, a "fair" tax or a consumption tax.

This culture of the IRS and taxation needs to be re-examined by those who don't know history and certainly don't understand the central bank and why it’s so dangerous to our liberties. Get the truth before you fall into the well designed trap of accepting these other phony fixes (flat tax, sales tax, VAT) that will only continue feeding the privately owned "Federal" Reserve. The irrefutable facts on this can be found at: http://www.devvy.com/notax.html

Common methods of stealing from the American People

Let me give you some facts that you may not be aware of, but should. The IRS gets away with their illegal activities against Americans for two reasons: (1) the big fear factor, and (2) because of the lack of facts by those being plundered by IRS employees and attorneys whose only concern is for their paycheck. They care nothing for the law and are little better than government sanctioned thieves. Do they know the truth? Of course they do, but when it comes to the law and paychecks, the law takes a back seat.

Revenue Officers send out an IRS form numbered 688-A, "Notice of Levy" to banks, brokers and employers. Problem here is, they always send out this form lacking something very important: an actual levy or court order.

On the back of this form you will find "excerpts" from Title 26, the IRC, code section 6331, the "Levy and Distraint" code section. But, a funny thing one sees is that this excerpt begins with paragraph b, with paragraph a omitted. Does that have any meaning? It certainly does if you look at the code:

The authority to levy is restricted to and contained within Section 6331(a) of the Internal Revenue Code. IRC 6331 - Levy and distraint.

(a) Authority of Secretary. If any person liable to pay any tax neglects or refuses to pay the same within 10 days after notice and demand, it shall be lawful for the Secretary to collect such tax (and such further sum as shall be sufficient to cover the expenses of the levy) by levy upon all property and rights to property (except such property as is exempt under section 6334) belonging to such person or on which there is a lien provided in this chapter for the payment of such tax.

Levy may be made upon the accrued salary or wages of any officer, employee, or elected official, of the United States, the District of Columbia, or any agency or instrumentality of the United States or the District of Columbia, by serving a notice of levy on the employer (as defined in section 3401(d)) of such officer, employee, or elected official). If the Secretary makes a finding that the collection of such tax is in jeopardy, notice and demand for immediate payment of such tax may be made by the Secretary and, upon failure or refusal to pay such tax, collection thereof by levy shall be lawful without regard to the 10-day period provided in this section.

Whoops! Do you see yourself, your brother-in-law or friend who isn't an officer, employee or elected official of the United States, District of Columbia, or any agency or instrumentality of the United States of the District of Columbia, fitting in this description of a "person liable" under this sction of the Internal Revenue Code?

Didn't think so, but this major legal fact is deliberately withheld from the terrified "taxpayer" who will get down on their knees in total fear of losing the roof over their heads and sign over their life in "scheduled payments" to these thieves. It is fear which has kept this fraudulent system alive for so long.

But, we're not done yet. Let's look at code section 6332(c) under "special rule for banks:"

Special rule for banks

Any bank (as defined in section 408(n)) shall surrender (subject to an attachment or execution under judicial process) any deposits (including interest thereon) in such bank only after 21 days after service of levy.

This section of Title 26 states that a notice of levy must be accompanied by an "attachment" of levy (court order). The IRS never includes the attachment of levy with the Notice of Levy. Why? According to John Turner, former Revenue Officer, Collection Division:

“Even though CID agents do have "Enforcement" Pocket Commissions they are not the ones that collect taxes. But even if they were in the business of collecting delinquent taxes, as are RO’s [revenue officers], an “enforcement” commission would still not authorize them to “levy”.

“What the nonenforcement pocket commission illustrates is that the Internal Revenue Code and the 16th Amendment (assuming for a moment that it had been properly ratified) are constitutional as written, which includes the idea that citizens cannot lose their property without constitutional due process (not the bastardized form of “due process” that the Courts have allowed with respect to collection of income tax).

“What do I mean by that? Well, it has to do with the notion that the needs of the State take precedence over the needs of your individual rights. They think that nothing, including your individual rights, should interrupt or delay the revenue to the government. So, they have specified that you may pay your taxes and sue the government, therefore, your due process is still intact.

“In other words, force cannot be used in the administrative collection (enforced collection actions) used by RO’s. They DON’T collect with court orders (due process) and the notices of levy are all made possible only by the assistance of third parties (banks, employers, ignorance of citizens, etc.)

“As an aside, that is why the law isn't written with specific enough language to demonstrate clearly that income tax is required. If the law actually applied to most Americans they would word it in such a way. It is NOT worded in such a way as to be clearly mandatory and that keeps it from crossing the line and becoming out of harmony with the Constitution.

“The nonenforcement pocket commission, which is issued to people who supposedly perform “enforcement” activities (levy, etc.), illustrates and confirms also that IRS agents don't have authority to use force to take people’s property – that would break the law.

”Revenue Officers have no bona fide legal or IRC authority to engage in enforcement activity; this common method of stealing by the IRS is a common as the sun rising. Further clarification of how this fraud is jammed down the throats of unsuspecting Americans is the fact that Revenue Officers only have statutory administrative authority and carry a "pocket commission" with ID numbers that begin with the letter "A" for administrative.”

Tip of the Iceberg

The deception laid out above is only the tip of the iceberg. At this time, this writer is looking into the "big kahoona" of fraud knowingly committed by the IRS: mail fraud.

It has been brought to my attention by a former FBI veteran who left that organization for a number of reasons, one being he couldn't stomach what was going on, is that the IRS is also engaging in mail fraud, see 18 U.S.C. Section 1341 - Fraud and Swindles.

This is directly tied to the code violations above and possibly represent RICO violations against IRS employees/officers and agents who participate in such fraud. If this proves to be the case, it's time to move forward legally against those IRS employees engaging in this illegal activity. No one is above the law.

Get off the plantation

It is honorable to want to "pay your fair share" to ensure there is adequate funds to fund our military and the other limited areas of expenditures authorized Congress under Article 1, Section 8 of the U.S. Constitution. Paying a tax you lawfully owe is the right thing to do, the key word here being lawfully.

There are no other organizations in this country today that are lawfully and non-violently taking the strongest action to stop these criminal activities by the IRS, via stopping the withholding and exposing the nature of the voluntary income tax, than We the People Foundation and We the People Congress, Inc. These organizations are not "think tanks." They are education and action oriented.

Critical mass is needed and that means you getting involved.

Get off the plantation. Put your fear on the back burner and join us. An important lawsuit is about to be filed by We the People Foundation and you can read the details at: givemeliberty.org. Do it and do it today.

We cannot be the land of the free and the home of the brave if our citizenry will not stand up to tyranny.

Now, which is it going to be? Will you live in fear or will you stand with us?

© 2003 Devvy Kidd - All Rights Reserved
 

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TexKingJr said:
Oh well, I haven't file taxes for the last 5 years. I make too much money and do not have any dependents. I was tired of them mofos taking bread from me all year and then at the end of the year wanted me to kick out more bread. Come and get me.............. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

And when you reach 67 .... don't go runnin to Uncle Suga lookin for some money talkin bout you to old to work...
 

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bromack1 said:
And when you reach 67 .... don't go runnin to Uncle Suga lookin for some money talkin bout you to old to work...

Ok, now you're just straight sounding like a bitch trying to have the last word.

 
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