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mrcmd187

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:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: At the movie studios and theaters we can all say what we will and argue all we want, if your mindset is the old model for movies will be back real soon you are dreaming late 2021 early 2022 maybe and that is pushing it. Facts is fact you will not see a billion dollar grossing film in the next 2 to 3 years. All these suppose to be blockbusters will slowly find their way to VOD. Tenet was the test subject sad to say and we all saw what happened there, WW84 will be surprise if it gets released on Christmas Day. AMC theater chain is looking at bankruptcy in January. The studios can afford to sale movies off they have insurance policies to cover losses theaters don’t or they won’t be crying, the only crying we have heard from Hollywood is not from the studios but from Directors and actors who won’t be getting the big budgets they want. Keep in mind AMC fought a losing battle against Universal Studios cause they are ready to go with VOD. The movie studios are already in bed with a streaming service or already own their own, will the quality of movies take a hit maybe maybe not we will see. Evolve or go broke and studios ain’t going broke.
 

gdatruth

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are you a fan of budgets or execution? If I gave you an expensive meal that taste like shit would you prefer it over a great tasting cheap meal? It’s obvious the people in the industry can make great movies for the cheap, yet they also make horrible big budget movies.. I prefer a great film on a low budget than a shitty expensive made flick.. if the industry has to pick only 1 option I would rather see a shitload of raid redemption than any transformers movie.. if Hollywood pushes for low budget greatness than do it Hollywood


I love the Raid. Its one of my favorite movies of all time. I saw both of em in theatre and own both blu rays

but this thread is about movie theatres potentially going out of business or a complete shift in the theatre model
flicks like the raid are irrelevant in the big picture of the future of movie going (most ppl who saw the raid so it via word of mouth or legally not at the movies)

studios and theatres make their money on big budget blockbusters. thats why almost all of em have been pushed back to 2021

it would be nice if big budget blockbusters focused on quality as well as profitability but that's not the business they are in
mid-low budget flicks even before the pandamic are going to Netflix, Hulu, Amazon etc
 

praetor

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are you a fan of budgets or execution? If I gave you an expensive meal that taste like shit would you prefer it over a great tasting cheap meal? It’s obvious the people in the industry can make great movies for the cheap, yet they also make horrible big budget movies.. I prefer a great film on a low budget than a shitty expensive made flick.. if the industry has to pick only 1 option I would rather see a shitload of raid redemption than any transformers movie.. if Hollywood pushes for low budget greatness than do it Hollywood

If I'm making money from the movies, I'll choose Transformers over Raid Redemption every single time. I'm not just talking about what they make at the box office. They make a killing in merchandising long after the movie came out. Transformers made $8 billion outside of the box office just from the first three movies.


Low budget films like Raid Redemption, Shawshank Redemption, Parasite, etc. may be great, but they don't make serious amounts of money from video games, apps, toys, clothing, etc.

Of course as a movie watcher I'd prefer execution over budget, but those studios aren't going to give up those massive after the fact profits willingly.
 

TENT

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I am talking about movies making money. Not cult faves.

This movie isn't make money for anyone and that is my point.

Let Netflix keep buying shit that doesn't make any money and they will be out of business faster than I am projecting.


It came out in less than 30 movie theatres for like 3 weeks.. it was a foreign film that didn’t get full push in America.. I knew you was gonna talk about the profits and not the actual execution.. if this shit was called captain America : first assignment this shit would be a 9 to 10 fig profit movie.. why cause it had the marvel/Disney stamp 2 cause it would of been featured in over 3000 theatres.. who can actually say raid redemption was garbage, who here could say that this movie wasn’t better than shit like iron man 2 or 3 ? let this movie been any marvel or dc film and it would of been a blockbuster... hell this could of been called Bourne identity or James Bond and would of made a killing... 1.1 million produced an action pack flick that you claim only hundreds of millions of dollar budgets can produce.. it has more action scenes than most 9 fig flicks the only diff it didn’t get a huge release.. put any big name stamp on it and it would of sold... just like the movie watchmen would of made way more money now than it did over a decade ago..it came out the wrong era.. just like raid redemption wasn’t in enough theatres or got the big promotion
 

TENT

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Exactly bro. If blockbusters cannot happen because movie theaters are closed.

The quality of ALL films will suffer.

Once that happens no one is going to want to buy for streaming services cause the shit on their is crap.


If I'm making money from the movies, I'll choose Transformers over Raid Redemption every single time. I'm not just talking about what they make at the box office. They make a killing in merchandising long after the movie came out. Transformers made $8 billion outside of the box office just from the first three movies.


Low budget films like Raid Redemption, Shawshank Redemption, Parasite, etc. may be great, but they don't make serious amounts of money from video games, apps, toys, clothing, etc.

Of course as a movie watcher I'd prefer execution over budget, but those studios aren't going to give up those massive after the fact profits willingly.
 

tallblacknyc

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I love the Raid. Its one of my favorite movies of all time. I saw both of em in theatre and own both blu rays

but this thread is about movie theatres potentially going out of business or a complete shift in the theatre model
flicks like the raid are irrelevant in the big picture of the future of movie going (most ppl who saw the raid so it via word of mouth or legally not at the movies)

studios and theatres make their money on big budget blockbusters. thats why almost all of em have been pushed back to 2021

it would be nice if big budget blockbusters focused on quality as well as profitability but that's not the business they are in
mid-low budget flicks even before the pandamic are going to Netflix, Hulu, Amazon etc
Nah actually there are people in this thread claiming Hollywood can no longer make great blockbuster movies or acting like greatness can only be made with 9 fig budgets.. there are several people who keep saying how Hollywood is over in this thread and screaming the sky is fallen.. the argument been shifted from the “theatre” experience.. that’s why I keep saying raid redemption is proof that and action packed movie can be done on a low budget
 

tallblacknyc

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If I'm making money from the movies, I'll choose Transformers over Raid Redemption every single time. I'm not just talking about what they make at the box office. They make a killing in merchandising long after the movie came out. Transformers made $8 billion outside of the box office just from the first three movies.


Low budget films like Raid Redemption, Shawshank Redemption, Parasite, etc. may be great, but they don't make serious amounts of money from video games, apps, toys, clothing, etc.

Of course as a movie watcher I'd prefer execution over budget, but those studios aren't going to give up those massive after the fact profits willingly.
Once again if you stamp Disney/marvel on raid redemption that movie would have generated a billion dollars.. if that Asian dude was some marvel or dc character or he’ll call him the “punisher”.. people would have flocked to the theatre to see it.. an action flick can be made for the cheap.. now stamp a big name studio on it and everybody and their moms would of went to see it.. now that shit making hundreds of millions of dollars
 

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Nah actually there are people in this thread claiming Hollywood can no longer make great blockbuster movies or acting like greatness can only be made with 9 fig budgets.. there are several people who keep saying how Hollywood is over in this thread and screaming the sky is fallen.. the argument been shifted from the “theatre” experience.. that’s why I keep saying raid redemption is proof that and action packed movie can be done on a low budget

Do you realize how business works?

and movies are still profitable in other countries.

So they should want to go from a trillion dollar industry to what?

Do you realize these are major corporations with a board members, stock holders and thousands of employees. Not just AMC, I'm talking about Universal, Warner Bros, Disney....

Do you realize the trickle down effect?

That's why American car companies and airlines have been propped up.
 

tallblacknyc

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Y'all still debating with people who don't even rent movies to stream, but keep saying it's the future.
Yeah people still debating with people who’ve been wrong about pretty much everything that was gonna happen with the theatre experience for the past few months..imagine if they would of had stocks on theatre chains listening to some of ya advice..lots of money lost trustingggg ya opininons
 

Complex

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Yeah people still debating with people who’ve been wrong about pretty much everything that was gonna happen with the theatre experience for the past few months..imagine if they would of had stocks on theatre chains listening to some of ya advice..lots of money lost trustingggg ya opininons

They wouldn't have lost money if you rented some movies :dunno:
 

tallblacknyc

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Do you realize how business works?

and movies are still profitable in other countries.

So they should want to go from a trillion dollar industry to what?

Do you realize these are major corporations with a board members, stock holders and thousands of employees. Not just AMC, I'm talking about Universal, Warner Bros, Disney....

Do you realize the trickle down effect?

That's why American car companies and airlines have been propped up.
I only started several biz and help other people biz so nah no way I don’t know how biz work.. unlike employees I actually know that when obstacles present itself you have to think of alternative routes when your biz faces potential problems or extinction... so it’s why im explaining diff routes they need to take for either the time being or for the possible new norm.. that’s how biz works sometimes.. being 1 of my avenues is adult entertainment we are the masters of changing with the times or switching to diff routes to adapting instead of dying
 

Complex

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I only started several biz and help other people biz so nah no way I don’t know how biz work.. unlike employees I actually know that when obstacles present itself you have to think of alternative routes when your biz faces potential problems or extinction... so it’s why im explaining diff routes they need to take for either the time being or for the possible new norm.. that’s how biz works sometimes.. being 1 of my avenues is adult entertainment we are the masters of changing with the times or switching to diff routes to adapting instead of dying

You don't seem to, since apparently businesses aren't in it to make money

Your different routes doesn't get them to a trillion dollars

or a movie making a couple of billion
 

tallblacknyc

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They wouldn't have lost money if you rented some movies :dunno:
Some movies and show programming actually were created thanks to my help..shhhh.. I’ve actually helped with casting, finding locations, dealt With budgets, helped with filming on certain projects.. oops you didn’t know I’m actually connected to Hollywood in certain ways.. there’s actually a sequel to a film that I can not mention right now that I’ve personally been called on to find female talent and a few other things for future shootings.. I’ve already discuss that I shot commercials back in the days and I been told ya about the faggotry in Hollywood... I also said I have friends and family in the entertainment game.. so unlike most of ya I don’t talk from a consumer perspective I’m actually talking from the biz and insider perspective... like I said on here b4 please do not just pigeon hole me to the adult entertainment guy... in fact I’ve been spoiled by my entertainment connects cause I’m used to see movies for free, so when you ask me about paying for movies I’m not actually use to coming out my pockets cause I was getting tix for free
 

TENT

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Niggas is gonna go broke when Netflix starts charging $99.99/month in order to pay for these movies to make a profit.
A Hollywood blockbuster is not going to be made to go straight to VOD without a much higher charge per user.
Users sharing is what is gonna kill movies.

The future of movies is gonna be 2 people talking at dinner talking about the action that happened off screen.

:roflmao: :roflmao: :roflmao: At the movie studios and theaters we can all say what we will and argue all we want, if your mindset is the old model for movies will be back real soon you are dreaming late 2021 early 2022 maybe and that is pushing it. Facts is fact you will not see a billion dollar grossing film in the next 2 to 3 years. All these suppose to be blockbusters will slowly find their way to VOD. Tenet was the test subject sad to say and we all saw what happened there, WW84 will be surprise if it gets released on Christmas Day. AMC theater chain is looking at bankruptcy in January. The studios can afford to sale movies off they have insurance policies to cover losses theaters don’t or they won’t be crying, the only crying we have heard from Hollywood is not from the studios but from Directors and actors who won’t be getting the big budgets they want. Keep in mind AMC fought a losing battle against Universal Studios cause they are ready to go with VOD. The movie studios are already in bed with a streaming service or already own their own, will the quality of movies take a hit maybe maybe not we will see. Evolve or go broke and studios ain’t going broke.
 

TENT

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First we have to be clear on the definitions here. I do not think we are on the same page when we talk about blockbusters.

Or what a great movie is. I not really care about fan reviews or critical acclaim so much.

Transformer movie aren't great movies but they are blockbusters. Worldwide billions. Big Budget. Big sets, locations and Special Effects.

A movie studio is not going to make a movie like that for Netflix so people can stream it for $9.99 a month.

If will not make sense.

Even if you have a 100 inch tv. Watch a movie like that at home is corny.

Also think about the popcorn manufactures who will lose income because theaters are closing.

They have employees who will be out of work. Everything trickles down.

Malls can close if the main attraction was the movie theatre.

So you favorite store in the mall will have to move because the theatre there which is the biggest tenant cannot afford rent.



Nah actually there are people in this thread claiming Hollywood can no longer make great blockbuster movies or acting like greatness can only be made with 9 fig budgets.. there are several people who keep saying how Hollywood is over in this thread and screaming the sky is fallen.. the argument been shifted from the “theatre” experience.. that’s why I keep saying raid redemption is proof that and action packed movie can be done on a low budget
 

tallblacknyc

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First we have to be clear on the definitions here. I do not think we are on the same page when we talk about blockbusters.

Or what a great movie is. I not really care about fan reviews or critical acclaim so much.

Transformer movie aren't great movies but they are blockbusters. Worldwide billions. Big Budget. Big sets, locations and Special Effects.

A movie studio is not going to make a movie like that for Netflix so people can stream it for $9.99 a month.

If will not make sense.

Even if you have a 100 inch tv. Watch a movie like that at home is corny.

Also think about the popcorn manufactures who will lose income because theaters are closing.

They have employees who will be out of work. Everything trickles down.

Malls can close if the main attraction was the movie theatre.

So you favorite store in the mall will have to move because the theatre there which is the biggest tenant cannot afford rent.
Lol popcorn manufacturers... dude most companies find cheap products to flip at high prices.. that popcorn company might be some extra low brand shit you find at any supermarket across America that you routinely avoid like the plague when you go shopping... all those boxes of candy in the movie theatres that they sell for 5 or more dollars is literally in dollar tree... lot of those sodas are off brand names that you can find in dollar tree.. they give you 10 pounds of ice with a sprinkle of soda in a cup and charge you 6 bucks for it at the theatre.. if you care about those companies so much google the food distributors of theatres and find the actual companies theatres use.. than personally buy those products at the cheap price they really are so you can keep them in biz since you care so much.. cut out the middleman aka the theatre and go straight to the source.. how many times do people actually eat 5 pounds of popcorn at home when watching a movie? Why do you need a certain setting to eat cheap popcorn in

many storage places lost biz when vhs tapes and dvds became obsolete...many truck drivers lost money cause they no longer transported those tapes and vhs.. many rental stores went out of biz cause people no longer brought vhs/dvd.. did you care? Did you continue purchasing those items to keep those jobs going? Nope you didn’t so like in most biz that didn’t adapt it died and life kept going.. hell bgol moto was proudly boasting not paying for porn..you know how many jobs lose money or are lost that directly get affected by people pirating porn? But nobody cares about those lost of income or jobs
 
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TENT

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I do care.

Broke people become criminals.


Lol popcorn manufacturers... dude most companies find cheap products to flip at high prices.. that popcorn company might be some extra low brand shit you find at any supermarket across America that you routinely avoid like the plague when you go shopping... all those boxes of candy in the movie theatres that they sell for 5 or more dollars is literally in dollar tree... lot of those sodas are off brand names that you can find in dollar tree.. they give you 10 pounds of ice with a sprinkle of soda in a cup and charge you 6 bucks for it at the theatre.. if you care about those companies so much google the food distributors of theatres and find the actual companies theatres use.. than personally buy those products at the cheap price they really are so you can keep them in biz since you care so much.. cut out the middleman aka the theatre and go straight to the source.. how many times do people actually eat 5 pounds of popcorn at home when watching a movie? Why do you need a certain setting to eat cheap popcorn in

many storage places lost biz when vhs tapes and dvds became obsolete...many truck drivers lost money cause they no longer transported those tapes and vhs.. many rental stores went out of biz cause people no longer brought vhs/dvd.. did you care? Did you continue purchasing those items to keep those jobs going? Nope you didn’t so like in most biz that didn’t adapt it died and life kept going.. hell bgol moto was proudly boasting not paying for porn..you know how many jobs lose money or are lost that directly get affected by people pirating porn? But nobody cares about those lost of income or jobs
 

mrcmd187

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Niggas is gonna go broke when Netflix starts charging $99.99/month in order to pay for these movies to make a profit.
A Hollywood blockbuster is not going to be made to go straight to VOD without a much higher charge per user.
Users sharing is what is gonna kill movies.

The future of movies is gonna be 2 people talking at dinner talking about the action that happened off screen.
$100 a month not seeing that happening Universal and Disney already talked about the $30 flat rate. It’s not the studios that are crying about profits it’s the theaters and over paid actors and producers, Have you heard a single studio bitch about profits yet. You invested in the movie industry you seem a little made cause they won’t be making billions off us anymore.
 

tallblacknyc

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I do care.

Broke people become criminals.
No the unemployed get unemployment checks or go find other employment opportunities or other ways to make money... every person that falls dosent lay down and cry , some get back up stronger than ever and fig out how to never land on their ass again
 

TENT

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I made a point to say broke people.
I do not want anyone going down the path to being broke and desperate. It is bad for society.
I want all businesses flourishing. It is good for society and the future.

No the unemployed get unemployment checks or go find other employment opportunities or other ways to make money... every person that falls dosent lay down and cry , some get back up stronger than ever and fig out how to never land on their ass again
 

TENT

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Yes. I am heavily invest but I am not mad. I am sad.
Industry is too smart to complain just yet.
All confidence would be lost.
$100 a month not seeing that happening Universal and Disney already talked about the $30 flat rate. It’s not the studios that are crying about profits it’s the theaters and over paid actors and producers, Have you heard a single studio bitch about profits yet. You invested in the movie industry you seem a little made cause they won’t be making billions off us anymore.
 

TENT

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Good for you. You do not know how much the company makes though. Stop it.
They are NOT making money.

MAKING MONEY.

They are not MAKING money.

Investors investing isn't a business MAKING money.
Don't be sure about that. Subscriptions are keys and ad dollars are important for non premium services.

P.S I work in media.
 

gdatruth

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I love the movies and popcorn (genre) flicks but this thread is all over the place and its hard to keep track where the convo is going

I hope movie theatres are able to recover. I prefer (safety not being an issue) going to the movies to see a comedy, horror flick or action flick. I enjoy the communal experience (but I understand some dont). I enjoy that movies at the theatre force me to disconnect (no hitting pause, jumping on my phone or computer) & pay full attention.

it seems that even before pandemic that movies were moving more towards the franchise/pre-exising IP/blockbuster model
everything was a sequel or remake or reimaging (all those movies except for Mulan & Tenet) got pushed back

i dont see theatres going away because at this point its a symbiotic relationship. Blockbuster films make the most money, are most profitable based on the model when they are released in theatres and theaters need these movies to survive. Studios need theatres and theatres need blockbusters produced by these studios. As long as studios in the business of making as much money as possible i dont see theatres going away. The business model might change but i dont think they are going anywhere. Maybe its wishful thinking on my part but if there was the same money in streaming Disney would drop all their films that were pushed on Disney+ and WB would release Wonder Woman on HBO Max.
 

tallblacknyc

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I love the movies and popcorn (genre) flicks but this thread is all over the place and its hard to keep track where the convo is going

I hope movie theatres are able to recover. I prefer (safety not being an issue) going to the movies to see a comedy, horror flick or action flick. I enjoy the communal experience (but I understand some dont). I enjoy that movies at the theatre force me to disconnect (no hitting pause, jumping on my phone or computer) & pay full attention.

it seems that even before pandemic that movies were moving more towards the franchise/pre-exising IP/blockbuster model
everything was a sequel or remake or reimaging (all those movies except for Mulan & Tenet) got pushed back

i dont see theatres going away because at this point its a symbiotic relationship. Blockbuster films make the most money, are most profitable based on the model when they are released in theatres and theaters need these movies to survive. Studios need theatres and theatres need blockbusters produced by these studios. As long as studios in the business of making as much money as possible i dont see theatres going away. The business model might change but i dont think they are going anywhere. Maybe its wishful thinking on my part but if there was the same money in streaming Disney would drop all their films that were pushed on Disney+ and WB would release Wonder Woman on HBO Max.
Let me give you the perfect scenario that is going on right now.. the most important thing in biz is the product and consumer.. the theatre was lucky enough to be pushed as the middle man of both.. the reality is their position wasn’t needed or their position importance is rapidly declining.. if their position no longer exist guess what the 2 most important thing in biz still exist which is the consumer and the product aka the movie(production company).. there is always a way to connect the two important things in biz without a middleman and right now we are going through a scenario where both entities are figuring out should they allow the middleman to exist.. this scenario is what I use to and still do have convos with biz owners/entrepreneurs for yrs about certain genres of biz and about cutting of middlemen and directly connecting the two entities or being the source of the two connecting... hell 1 of my fields of expertise was being the direct connect and literally creating a whole biz opportunity.. the underground game in particular the strip world in nyc was a perfect example of cutting off the commercial middleman (the stripclub) and creating another opportunity or becoming the source... sometimes doors have to close or new lanes need to be created for the future of the biz.. sometimes those other lanes force the original middlemen to be better towards the consumer.. choices are better than monopolies... when it’s all said and done hopefully the consumer can get a better product without getting financially screwed over.. I like consumer friendly biz
 

mariano42

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Good for you. You do not know how much the company makes though. Stop it.
They are NOT making money.

MAKING MONEY.

They are not MAKING money.

Investors investing isn't a business MAKING money.

You're not making sense nor you don't know what department I'm in. But if that's what you think, cool.
 

850credit

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Cancel culture due to racism, bullying, etc will force studios to take a deal on streaming rather than chance a big budget movie failing at the box office:

“The erasure of people of color from the 2017 theatrical version of Justice League was neither an accident nor coincidence.”
 

850credit

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Overbloated budgets due to actor salaries will force the sale of streaming rights...again, take the sure money when you have an actor of Keanu's star power.

There are too many people that are not gonna attend or take their kids to any movie regardless of the build up of how great it is or who's in it.

I think studios will take that upfront deal with Apple TV, Netflix, Hulu, Amazon.

 

tallblacknyc

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Overbloated budgets due to actor salaries will force the sale of streaming rights...again, take the sure money when you have an actor of Keanu's star power.

There are too many people that are not gonna attend or take their kids to any movie regardless of the build up of how great it is or who's in it.

I think studios will take that upfront deal with Apple TV, Netflix, Hulu, Amazon.

Netflix will generate 2.4 billion extra dollars in the next 12 months span due to the $1 raise.. watch they gonna try to buy the james Bond film, Wonder Woman, dune or even a few cheaper movies like candy man or escape room 2.. Netflix gonna make a few moves which is gonna force some streaming sites to buy other movies.. the bidding wars is about to start
 

mrcmd187

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Netflix will generate 2.4 billion extra dollars in the next 12 months span due to the $1 raise.. watch they gonna try to buy the james Bond film, Wonder Woman, dune or even a few cheaper movies like candy man or escape room 2.. Netflix gonna make a few moves which is gonna force some streaming sites to buy other movies.. the bidding wars is about to start
They will send WW to DC's streaming service to generate more subscriber's, Netflix and Apple will fight over what Disney+ doesn't buy up. Universal studios will sell to the highest bidder, they have already expressed interest in VOD.
 

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Overbloated budgets due to actor salaries will force the sale of streaming rights...again, take the sure money when you have an actor of Keanu's star power.

There are too many people that are not gonna attend or take their kids to any movie regardless of the build up of how great it is or who's in it.

I think studios will take that upfront deal with Apple TV, Netflix, Hulu, Amazon.

Actors salaries will decrease as well. Many of them have huge homes and millions in expenses as well as child support and other family contributions. Remember, not all actors are A-List. We already have seen that movie production has come to a crawl. So, even the ancillary personnel will take pay cuts. Because most of them, they aren't working right now.

Think about this, the cast of Black Lightning doesn't even have a production date yet. And most of those actors have not done any other work, with the exception of some very small supporting roles.

We are witnessing a drastic change in how movies will be made in all aspects.
 

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