NFL Great Jim Brown Calls Out Tiger Woods & Michael Jordan.

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

Jim Brown ain't done jack shit for JD Walker nigga.

I worked hard for my own shit. Why should I share that with yo lazy ass? Why should I give 2 shits about niggas and bitches making bad financial decisions (having babies). That's their shit on the floor, they need to go play in it. You need to stop being a time wasting enabling coon and get with the program and see the majority of people for who they really are; untrustworthy pieces of shit that wouldn't spit on you if you were on fire.

Oh yeah, that's right THe Civil Rights Movement did NOthing for your dumb ass, right?

Hey, where do you live at?

Chances are, if it wasn't for black folks marching and dying and standing up, you wouldn't be able to LIVE THERE.

What job do you have?

Chances are, if it wasn't for people like Jim Brown, Muhammad Ali, MLK, and Malcolm X, you wouldn't be able to work there.

What dumb niggaz like YOU don't understand is that POOR PEOPLE have ALWAYS after years of depression and poverty, slipped through the cracks. YOu make bad decisions when you are under pressure and don't know what to do or where to turn

I don't agree with Jim Browns assessment....

Tiger + Michael Jordan have influence more people to lead successful lives than any kinda activism would ever have. How many of us on BGOL kept our grades up to make the team to be like mike. Each of these people choose to touch the world in their own way.....

I can't knock a man who doesn't share my convictions. People are who they are. I love tiger and mike for what they personify with sports. The push the limit of imagination and possibility.

How?

I've never met ANYBODY who have been personally affected by Woods or Jordan in anyway. People played basketball BEFORE Jordan, so the idea that trying to make the team is some how Michael Jordan's influence is bullshit. Athletes most of the time have teachers and faculty willing to CHEAT for them on the SAT, grades and everything else to keep them eligible.

Now, you may have not been good enough of an athlete to have somebody cheat for you, but I know of dudes who went to the NBA, and none of them kept their grades up to be like Mike, they CHEATED throughout high-school and college to be like Mike.

Colin Alert!!!:
First of all, someone needs to come up with a concrete definition of "giving back". Secondly, Jim Brown does a whole lot for the "community", that's a fact, but when did he start? Not a shot, but an honest question, because I don't know. Did he start in his retired years, or did he start while he was at the top of his game, like Tiger is? To me, the 2 people who put it ALL on the line were Eartha Kitt and Ali. They jeopardized their careers to on behalf of their people. The fact that not too many people were willing to do that then, should tell you that you shouldn't expect too many people to do that now.

Sometimes, having a deep familiarity with your people will make you hesitant to "give back". Two things have always stuck with me. One year I volunteered to participate at a shelter during Christmas. As we were handing out toys, one of the mothers said, "This is some cheap shit! I wouldn't buy this bullshit for my child!", I wanted to say, "No bitch, you wouldn't because YOU'RE FUCKING BROKE!", but I didn't. Another thing I remember was this cat in NYC. He owned a few supermarkets, and he tried to keep the money in his neighborhood. He hired the people that lived there, helped reopen the after school spot, paid to fix up the park when the city refused, and all kinds of other shit. Dude literally spent a few hundred thousand dollars in his community. He said that after he'd been robbed for the 5th time and the after school spot broken into numerous times, he said "Fuck it.", sold off his stores and moved away.

What I'm saying is, it takes 2 to "give back". If the cats that Jim Brown is mentoring and helping keep doing the same shit, what's the point? It seems to me that black celebrities are the only ones who are forcefully obligated to "give back". Why is that? This may be unpopular, but if MJ or Tiger wants to do some shit in "the hood", that's great, but to tell them that they "owe" the people in the hood is bullshit. Some of the same people who were clowning the nerdy guy for "acting and talking" white, are the same people asking, "What's he doing for the hood?", when he becomes successful.

This ain't happening today.
Believe that shit​

Exactly!!!

"Some of These Niggaz Iz Bytches Too!"

Yes, they are.

Amerikkan Idol



Haha, who are you to say it's right? It's neither right or wrong. It's just one method of success. One of many.

You propogate the fallacy of collectivism. Collectivism can work, I never once said that it could not. I have nothing wrong with blacks that choose to practice this belief. My issue comes with those who try to force it on us all.


Name me ONE group where the "wealthy" WEREN'T the catalysts behind economic change.



You mention all these groups, they have one thing in common that we don't. They have the immigrant mentality of togetherness. We no longer have a "together" mentality. Which makes it impractical for us (which is who we are talking about). Not saying it's impossible, just saying change wont come from the wealthy in our community. It must start from the bottom. The black community can be likened to a 3rd world country. The best and brightest get the fuck out and usually don't return. The ones that remain are the only ones that can truly be counted on.





Wrong. The poor can come together and pool what little they have, and start very small businesses. This would obviously require alot of trust and sacrifice. It's what many immigrants do when they get here. If lower income blacks were to do follow the examples set by these immigrants then they too could have atleast a little something. Of course, this wont happen because people would rather point fingers than think progressively.




My logic? Clearly you are mistaken. I never said anyone should do anything. If those that get rich want to leave...then it's perfectly acceptable. It is of course their life and no one has any right to try to dictate it. Just like its the right of those that want to stay and become activists or attempt to rebuild the community. Live and let live, as I like to say.



...and econmic opportunities wont come unless people feel they can make decent money in said area. It's like a scale for most Americanized people, how much to I get out and how much do I put in? This is why many decide that it's not worth it. As for those examples of people that came back and helped where they came from...thats great. Good for them. Like I said before, I never advocated people to leave or to stay. I think those that stay and help are admirable and should be praised. Which is actually what I said early on.




This is true, and it's why the poor should pool what little they have to build something more. Of course many choose not to do this.




Wrong. Again, I never stated that any should or shouldnt bring growth to their community. As for the "fuck yall, do for self" comment I say this, ultimately you can only rely on yourself. So instead of waiting for someone to help you, you need to be as proactive as possible in obtaining your goal. In the modern day "self" is much more reliable than community, atleast in our case. Just my opinion.

As for your other comment, the answer is that I agree. However it can work for individuals but not the collective. Which to me is more than acceptable. .

Once again, you can't name ONE group of people that have done what you're saying.

I can name MANY who've done what I'm sayin. Just admit that you don't give a fuck about Black people and leave it alone.

Poor people can't generate the capital to compete with the rich. It's IMPOSSIBLE. you need RICH people to save a community, and every community I named had that.

You keep talking about immigrants?

Guess what, the Irish had been here for 200 YEARS!!!! By the time the 20th Century. They didn't just get off the boat, when the Irish Mob and people like the Kennedy's came along. The Kennedy's that we all know and love aint from Ireland. They're from Massachusettes. But they still kept their identity as Irish people and rebuilt their communities. With drug money, but still, it was done, so that argument is retarded.

We ARE collective.

We were slaves together for 400 years.

We were denied human rights together for another 100.

If we don't wanna do for each other, then we deserve everything that happens to us.

Exactly, people that believe in building collectivism tend to live in a fantasy world when it comes to our current situation. You can only truly rely upon yourself in our time. This imaginary "community" is as worst non existant, and at best completely unreliable due to exactly what you just stated. The whole "black collectivism" concept works on things being more ideal. People genuinely caring about the next man. This is no longer the case most times. Not to take awa from Jim Brown's charitable acts of course.

It aint "imaginary".

Other groups, even those that have been in Amerikkka for 200, 300 years have kept their identities.

The Irish and Italians had been here for centuries, when they finally emerged from the ghettos.

He should be "calling out" Chris Brown and other batterers, but that would be hitting to close to home. Twisted priorities, as usual.

That's a dumb ass bitch question.

People aren't POOR and UNEDUCATED because of abuse. People ABUSE because they are POOR and UNEDUCATED.

 

[Complex]

Does anyone actually read his long winded rambling rants.

 

[JD Walker]

Oh yeah, that's right THe Civil Rights Movement did NOthing for your dumb ass, right?

Naw, nigga, don't set up a straw man, you said nothing about the Civil Rights movement, yo ass said

Jim Brown was fuckin' all of the finest White bitches in Hollywood in the 1960s. What if he did that and didn't give a fuck about YOUR Black asses' future?

Jim Brown pimped and continues to pimp "the community" to stay in the limelight, like all scumbag celebrities.

What dumb niggaz like YOU don't understand is that POOR PEOPLE have ALWAYS after years of depression and poverty, slipped through the cracks. YOu make bad decisions when you are under pressure and don't know what to do or where to turn

FUCK POOR PEOPLE.​

What kinda pressure are they under to use birth control?

Nigga, you talk about economic improvement in the community why don't you start by telling this simps to stop fuckin these bitches raw and tell these bitches to use birth control so they won't shit out yet another little useless bastard that will be a drain on them and the entire system?

No Kids = More Dough.

 

[black-n-tan]

To me, "giving back" is just phase a bunch of lazy people use, wanting something from someone else. I say, if Tiger or Mike want to "give back", cool, but they don't owe anybody shit. I am sure the people who helped Tiger and Mike become successful received their just deserts. I see no reason why ANYONE should be obligated to "give back" to people they have not taken from.

 

[Nevsky]

The Amerikkkan Idol

Once again, you can't name ONE group of people that have done what you're saying.

I can name MANY who've done what I'm sayin. Just admit that you don't give a fuck about Black people and leave it alone.

Poor people can't generate the capital to compete with the rich. It's IMPOSSIBLE. you need RICH people to save a community, and every community I named had that.

Again, AMerikkan Idol I never said "as a group", quite the opposite.

Just admit that you don't give a fuck about Black people and leave it alone.

Now all you want to do is try to put words in my mouth. Ive said nothing of the sort, nor have I implied that.

Poor people can't generate the capital to compete with the rich. It's IMPOSSIBLE. you need RICH people to save a community, and every community I named had that

They may not be able to compete but if they were to pull together they could certainly survive. In anycase by all means continue waiting for the hand that may or may not come. That is after all the most proactive approach.

Guess what, the Irish had been here for 200 YEARS!!!! By the time the 20th Century. They didn't just get off the boat, when the Irish Mob and people like the Kennedy's came along. The Kennedy's that we all know and love aint from Ireland. They're from Massachusettes. But they still kept their identity as Irish people and rebuilt their communities. With drug money, but still, it was done, so that argument is retarded.

Good for the Irish.

We ARE collective.

Once upon a time my friend. Much that said collectivism was based in extreme discrimination and lack of any alternative. Today is an entirely different era. The only thing that we "collectively" tend to tackle are issues of racial injustice, not much outside of that. The funny thing about you saying that it still rings true today is that if it were true, then we wouldnt even be having this discussion.

We were slaves together for 400 years.

We were denied human rights together for another 100.

We sure were. Hence the reason for much of that togetherness. Considering the situation and enviornment blacks were forced into it isnt any wonder why it happened in the first place. However considering the situation of today, it's like I said before, every man for himself. Atleast for us that is.

If we don't wanna do for each other, then we deserve everything that happens to us.

Likewise those that don't do for themselves at the individual level deserve everything that they get.

It aint "imaginary".

It is for us in the terms that you describe it today. Like I said at worst non existant, and at best completely unreliable in most cases.

Other groups, even those that have been in Amerikkka for 200, 300 years have kept their identities.

The Irish and Italians had been here for centuries, when they finally emerged from the ghettos.

Good on them.


In anycase, you and I have two different sets of believes. You go your way and I'll go mine. Continue to preach collectivsm and I will continue to preach Individualism.

 

[Nevsky]

To me, "giving back" is just phase a bunch of lazy people use, wanting something from someone else. I say, if Tiger or Mike want to "give back", cool, but they don't owe anybody shit. I am sure the people who helped Tiger and Mike become successful received their just deserts. I see no reason why ANYONE should be obligated to "give back" to people they have not taken from.

Exactly. Of course people let their emotions charge them up and of course they don't want to hear that they arent owed anything just because someone is the same race.

 

[ronmch20]

Jim Brown needs to shut the fuck up. Shit's gettin' old...

 

[Nevsky]

Jim Brown needs to shut the fuck up. Shit's gettin' old...

Been old for the last decade.

 

[Brother Blaque]

STFU and GO PLAY. GO TAKE THAT E- MILITANT CRAP SOMEWHERE ELSE.

THESE BROTHAS HAVE DONE THEIR JOB. YOU MAD POOKIE DON'T GET A HANDOUT. MJ AND TIGER WOODS BOTH GIVE BACK. WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM THEM TO MARCH LIKE REV. GOODLOVE AND HIS FOLLOWERS? THEY DON'T OWE ME A THING. I WORK FOR WHAT I WANT.

E-Fuck you E-Coon E-nigga ass mother fucking follow the leader ass E-cocksucka.

E-fuck Jordan, and E-fuck Tiger.

E-jigaboo minstrel E-mother fuckka

Clarence Thomas wanna be ass E-mother fucka.​

 

[fabregas]

Jim brown should have gone on the BET awards and called out all then rappers live on stage. Tiger woods may not be an activist, but at least he is a possitive role model. So is Micheal jordan.

 

[Blunt]

That's a dumb ass bitch question.

People aren't POOR and UNEDUCATED because of abuse. People ABUSE because they are POOR and UNEDUCATED.

Chris Brown & Co., including Jim Brown himself, are "poor and uneducated??"

Maybe if the RICH and popular abusers were called out by Brown then the poor and uneducated ones would get the message too. The domestic abuse crisis in the black community (where more women are battered and/or murdered by their partners than anywhere else) is far more of a significant issue than anything he's talking about concerning Woods and Jordan (who have nothing in common with the average man).

 

[Les W]

E-Fuck you E-Coon E-nigga ass mother fucking follow the leader ass E-cocksucka.

E-fuck Jordan, and E-fuck Tiger.

E-jigaboo minstrel E-mother fuckka

Clarence Thomas wanna be ass E-mother fucka.​

You can't say that here a lot of these people got BGOL up in one window and TMZ up in the other or a similar media whore site. Just look around. If MJ and Tiger make 100 Million and write a check for 2 million, that is enough for them to "get a pass"

Jim brown should have gone on the BET awards and called out all then rappers live on stage. Tiger woods may not be an activist, but at least he is a possitive role model. So is Micheal jordan.

Rappers whole image is being the negative element in society, Cosby also already did this. MJ and Tiger get a pass, like we are just happy we have the same shade of skin. Besides most rappers are broke and have no power and influence

Bottom line MJ and Tiger can change communities at the snap of their fingers for the most part but they don't seem to care or be aware. I like them and admire their drive and masterey but as people they are not the best black/rags to riches role models

 

[Brother Blaque]

No Black, Negro or colored athlete is obligated to do anything.

Jim Brown has been giving back and speaking out since his playing days.

And just fuck Tiger Woods...colored mother fucka.
That cat ain't Black...he got some Negro or colored in him, but he ain't no parts Black.

Jordan, while not obligated came out with a cheaper pair of Jordans for these little ignorant negros who were killing Black people for HIS overpriced sneakers.

However he never really promoted the cheaper line and I doubt if they even exist right now.

All I remember Jordan saying is "Republicans buy sneakers too."

It's fucked up when a dude like Stephon Maurbury gets killed for even attempting to do something about it.
That shit ought to tell you something.​

 

[Upgrade Dave]

You do well move back to the hood and You get robbed. What will you say then its' the white man's fault for creating the ghetto slum. Go back and help out. Make sure your family is in a safe community away from the riff raff. Jordan's kids didn't live on the southside.


Black folks do help out. The hood has to pull itself up. The hood gets the money and access. It always wants more and more and more. Would kats be happy if Tiger and Mike gave all they away to the hood and live in the ghetto?

That kind of thinking only works on Black people. How often have we heard and talk about gentrification. So White folks aren't scared of moving into "the hood" and building it up but middle-upper class Black people are.

Any excuse will do.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Jordan, while not obligated came out with a cheaper pair of Jordans for these little ignorant negros who were killing Black people for HIS overpriced sneakers.

However he never really promoted the cheaper line and I doubt if they even exist right now.

All I remember Jordan saying is "Republicans buy sneakers too."

It's fucked up when a dude like Stephon Maurbury gets killed for even attempting to do something about it.
That shit ought to tell you something.​

Yeah, what the fuck ever happened to the less expensive line of shoes? I never saw them but I heard about them ONCE.

Stephon Marbury will never be the ballplayer Jordan was but when you're looking for guys in the tradition of Brown and Russell, he proves that there are still some left.

 

[Nevsky]

That kind of thinking only works on Black people. How often have we heard and talk about gentrification. So White folks aren't scared of moving into "the hood" and building it up but middle-upper class Black people are.

Any excuse will do.

To many white peoples that shit is "cool" or hip, whats in at the time. While others want to buy property and jack up the prices. What these white people want to do has nothing to do with what middle or upper class black people and how they choose to live.

 

[Nevsky]

Les W;

Bottom line MJ and Tiger can change communities at the snap of their fingers for the most part but they don't seem to care or be aware. I like them and admire their drive and masterey but as people they are not the best black/rags to riches role models

A snap of their fingers? MJ and Tiger must be magicians now. To me I find them to be perfectly acceptable role models. Through self determination and dedication to their goal they made it. Anyone can take something away from that.

 

[Garifuna]

http://www.tigerwoodsfoundation.org/

 

[Acur]

http://www.tigerwoodsfoundation.org/

I said Tiger gives back through his foundation. Kats want to see what they want to see. He's not screaming CAC this and marching through the streets that's not good enough.

 

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

Does anyone actually read his long winded rambling rants.

Apparently your BITCH ASS did in order to respond to it, house nigga.

Naw, nigga, don't set up a straw man, you said nothing about the Civil Rights movement, yo ass said



Jim Brown pimped and continues to pimp "the community" to stay in the limelight, like all scumbag celebrities.

FUCK POOR PEOPLE.​

What kinda pressure are they under to use birth control?

Nigga, you talk about economic improvement in the community why don't you start by telling this simps to stop fuckin these bitches raw and tell these bitches to use birth control so they won't shit out yet another little useless bastard that will be a drain on them and the entire system?

No Kids = More Dough.

Dumb nigga, people like Jim Brown FUNDED the Civil Rights Movement.

How did MLK pay his bills?

How did all those Civil Rights Organizations pay their bills?

CELEBRITIES!!!!

The Jackson 5, Muhammad Ali, Harry Belafonte, Bill Russell, and Jim Brown, and soooo many others gave out of THEIR pockets and attended rallys, marches, and fundraising events, so that people like King and Malcolm X and Ralph Abernathy could KEEP FIGHTING.

You need to open a fuckin' history book, if you don't know about the role that Black CELEBRITIES played in keeping the Civil Rights Movement going.

So, like I said, if it wasn't for Jim Brown and Muhammad Ali and all the Black CELEBRITIES of that era, who gave back with their money and time to the CIVIL RIGHTS MOVEMENT. It would've DIED because MLK and them were BROKE. They had nothing.

The Amerikkkan Idol



Again, AMerikkan Idol I never said "as a group", quite the opposite.



Now all you want to do is try to put words in my mouth. Ive said nothing of the sort, nor have I implied that.



They may not be able to compete but if they were to pull together they could certainly survive. In anycase by all means continue waiting for the hand that may or may not come. That is after all the most proactive approach.



Good for the Irish.



Once upon a time my friend. Much that said collectivism was based in extreme discrimination and lack of any alternative. Today is an entirely different era. The only thing that we "collectively" tend to tackle are issues of racial injustice, not much outside of that. The funny thing about you saying that it still rings true today is that if it were true, then we wouldnt even be having this discussion.



We sure were. Hence the reason for much of that togetherness. Considering the situation and enviornment blacks were forced into it isnt any wonder why it happened in the first place. However considering the situation of today, it's like I said before, every man for himself. Atleast for us that is.

If we don't wanna do for each other, then we deserve everything that happens to us.

Likewise those that don't do for themselves at the individual level deserve everything that they get.



It is for us in the terms that you describe it today. Like I said at worst non existant, and at best completely unreliable in most cases.

Other groups, even those that have been in Amerikkka for 200, 300 years have kept their identities.

The Irish and Italians had been here for centuries, when they finally emerged from the ghettos.

Good on them.


In anycase, you and I have two different sets of believes. You go your way and I'll go mine. Continue to preach collectivsm and I will continue to preach Individualism.

All you can say is good for them?

Really?

Not, we can learn from them?

I've given solutions that have worked over centuries of Amerikkkan history, and you just say, "Well good for them"?

Exactly. Of course people let their emotions charge them up and of course they don't want to hear that they arent owed anything just because someone is the same race.

Tell that to the OTHER races who help their people. Oh yeah, that's right "good for them".

Jim brown should have gone on the BET awards and called out all then rappers live on stage. Tiger woods may not be an activist, but at least he is a possitive role model. So is Micheal jordan.

Bullshit. What's a positive role model ever done for anybody?

How many JOBS and SCHOOLS are created by being a "good role model"?

None.

Crime is caused by people without adequate education, jobs, and who aren't given a reason to be personally invested in their community, lashing out. This has been studied for years by sociologists

Chris Brown & Co., including Jim Brown himself, are "poor and uneducated??"

Maybe if the RICH and popular abusers were called out by Brown then the poor and uneducated ones would get the message too. The domestic abuse crisis in the black community (where more women are battered and/or murdered by their partners than anywhere else) is far more of a significant issue than anything he's talking about concerning Woods and Jordan (who have nothing in common with the average man).

That's because there are more Black people in the GHETTO than any other group of people. Who's beating all the women in the ghettos all over the world? Poor people. That's who.

Men, who are emasculated by their society, in poverty often resort to violence as a way to get that power back.

Chris Brown and Jim Brown both come from NOTHING and grew up in an environment of abuse and poverty.

If you picked up a sociology book, you'd know that.

Les W;





A snap of their fingers? MJ and Tiger must be magicians now. To me I find them to be perfectly acceptable role models. Through self determination and dedication to their goal they made it. Anyone can take something away from that.

That's not how whole societies are changed though.

I've gone step by step with you and shown you how L.A., Vegas, Detroit, Miami, New York, Chicago, and all the biggest cities in America became that way. You choose to ignore fact for your "opinion". That is how societies are changed. Wealth creation spread over communities.

 

[Complex]

Does anyone actually read his long winded rambling rants.

 

[jay_fever]

fuck jim brown. he's unimportant and is always trying to create a buzz for himself by calling some nigga out. hey jim brown..... shut the fuck up!

Seriously??? "Trying to create a buzz"? Come on dude you are foolin. Brown is from a generation of athlete that if black people are getting fucked over some where in the states or in the world...they used their power to call a fucking news conference and shine a light on it...and sometimes they would even strike until something was done. Nowadays niggas too afraid to mess up their endorsement deals to say something that is more than likely affecting the community in which they grew out of.

I'm a huge Jordan fan...and I'm not really into golf but I give Tiger his props for being so dominant in the sport..but with that said...I've also wondered as big as they are how come they don't speak out more. They don't have to be fucking MLK but shit do SOMETHING!

 

[Nevsky]

All you can say is good for them?

Really?

Not, we can learn from them?

I've given solutions that have worked over centuries of Amerikkkan history, and you just say, "Well good for them"?

Sure those that really believe in collectivism can certainly learn from them. Once again, I don't follow that ideology. So yes, I see their achievements and I think "good for them" no one can take that away from them.

Bullshit. What's a positive role model ever done for anybody?

How many JOBS and SCHOOLS are created by being a "good role model"?

None.

Crime is caused by people without adequate education, jobs, and who aren't given a reason to be personally invested in their community, lashing out. This has been studied for years by sociologists

You only say this because you are concerned with this black hive mentality. Both of those men are very good examples of success. Regardless of if they went out of their way for the rest of the pack or not.

I'm sure that study was an interesting read. The truth is those that live in the hood have to take care of it. If they don't tend to it then they cant expect for anyone to give a damn or want to stay there.

Tell that to the OTHER races who help their people. Oh yeah, that's right "good for them".

The same goes for them as well. Those in the other communities you mentioned help because they choose to. Just like Jim Brown. Again they owed no one their service, and that is why they should be praised for voluntarily giving it.

That's not how whole societies are changed though.

I've gone step by step with you and shown you how L.A., Vegas, Detroit, Miami, New York, Chicago, and all the biggest cities in America became that way. You choose to ignore fact for your "opinion". That is how societies are changed. Wealth creation spread over communities.

This is only a conversaton for me. You seem to have some brazen agenda to defend. I just see our current reality for what it is. If enough people followed suit then their lives would change drastically. The truth is society can only be canged when the people come together to make that change...and it wont happen. Atleast not from the top because those are who is the most comfortable. Like I told you before that kind of change is going to have to happen from those that are living in the middle of the shit. Outside of that people can only rely on themselves to have their best advantage at heart.

 

[Nevsky]

Seriously??? "Trying to create a buzz"? Come on dude you are foolin. Brown is from a generation of athlete that if black people are getting fucked over some where in the states or in the world...they used their power to call a fucking news conference and shine a light on it...and sometimes they would even strike until something was done. Nowadays niggas too afraid to mess up their endorsement deals to say something that is more than likely affecting the community in which they grew out of.

I'm a huge Jordan fan...and I'm not really into golf but I give Tiger his props for being so dominant in the sport..but with that said...I've also wondered as big as they are how come they don't speak out more. They don't have to be fucking MLK but shit do SOMETHING!

You don't have to be MLK but usually you have to be dedicated to a certain cause in the first place. MJ nor Tiger woods are activists, and thats perfectly acceptable.

Jim Brown and his like were alive during the height of Civil Rights Movement. The black community was largely united in that purpose. More often than not blacks could rely on each other for assistance. Do you know what the difference is today? There is no single goal, and there is no real togetherness. This is why you have so many people that say "fuck it" and go their own way. The black american ethnic group of today is more like grains of sand in your hands, it goes everywhere. That is of course...until some racist shit happens. Thats when you see people come out, but thats only because racism effects us all more or less equally.

 

[Delta7]

I always assumed most these forum dudes are some straight up coons, I was right.

Go to school, get a little cheddar and speak that republican talk, then only acknowledge black folks (obama) when ya have too.

I give white people credit though, they really did a good job on controlling blacks in America.

Go to any hood or majority black area, all you see is empty buildings, nothing opened except liquor stores and chicken joints (popeyes)....

Hispanic areas are booming around here, businesses is being built, even cacs are moving in and thinking of ways to get money from hispanics...

Black communities is like a old ghost town...

 

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

Sure those that really believe in collectivism can certainly learn from them. Once again, I don't follow that ideology. So yes, I see their achievements and I think "good for them" no one can take that away from them.




You only say this because you are concerned with this black hive mentality. Both of those men are very good examples of success. Regardless of if they went out of their way for the rest of the pack or not.

I'm sure that study was an interesting read. The truth is those that live in the hood have to take care of it. If they don't tend to it then they cant expect for anyone to give a damn or want to stay there.



The same goes for them as well. Those in the other communities you mentioned help because they choose to. Just like Jim Brown. Again they owed no one their service, and that is why they should be praised for voluntarily giving it.




This is only a conversaton for me. You seem to have some brazen agenda to defend. I just see our current reality for what it is. If enough people followed suit then their lives would change drastically. The truth is society can only be canged when the people come together to make that change...and it wont happen. Atleast not from the top because those are who is the most comfortable. Like I told you before that kind of change is going to have to happen from those that are living in the middle of the shit. Outside of that people can only rely on themselves to have their best advantage at heart.

You know what, you're right.

Frederick Douglass wasn't entitled to after he was free to fight for the freedom of other Blacks.

MLK, Martin Luther King, Jim Brown, Muhammad Ali, or anybody else wasn't obligated to fight the Civil Rights struggle.

If I see a woman being raped and murdered on the street today, I'm not obligated to call the police or try to stop it. She should help her self.

Happy now?

Nobody's obligated to do anything.

I'm not obligated to do anything for my family, friends, or neighborhood or race.

Nobody is.

I always assumed most these forum dudes are some straight up coons, I was right.

Go to school, get a little cheddar and speak that republican talk, then only acknowledge black folks (obama) when ya have too.

I give white people credit though, they really did a good job on controlling blacks in America.

Go to any hood or majority black area, all you see is empty buildings, nothing opened except liquor stores and chicken joints (popeyes)....

Hispanic areas are booming around here, businesses is being built, even cacs are moving in and thinking of ways to get money from hispanics...

Black communities is like a old ghost town...

Exactly

 

[Upgrade Dave]

To many white peoples that shit is "cool" or hip, whats in at the time. While others want to buy property and jack up the prices. What these white people want to do has nothing to do with what middle or upper class black people and how they choose to live.

No, they do it to live closer to where they work and take advantage of cheaper land prices in the city as opposed to the suburbs. Black folks could do that but that would put them too close to the niggas they move to the 'burbs to escape.

 

[Nevsky]

No, they do it to live closer to where they work and take advantage of cheaper land prices in the city as opposed to the suburbs. Black folks could do that but that would put them too close to the niggas they move to the 'burbs to escape.

Agreed.

The Amerikkkan Idol

You know what, you're right.

Frederick Douglass wasn't entitled to after he was free to fight for the freedom of other Blacks.

MLK, Martin Luther King, Jim Brown, Muhammad Ali, or anybody else wasn't obligated to fight the Civil Rights struggle.

If I see a woman being raped and murdered on the street today, I'm not obligated to call the police or try to stop it. She should help her self.

Happy now?

Nobody's obligated to do anything.

I'm not obligated to do anything for my family, friends, or neighborhood or race.

Nobody is.

Pretty much.

 

[Acur]

No, they do it to live closer to where they work and take advantage of cheaper land prices in the city as opposed to the suburbs. Black folks could do that but that would put them too close to the niggas they move to the 'burbs to escape.

I know friends that have taken this advantage in the downtown area.



Can You fault them for leaving? Pookie acting like Mrs. Jenkins nosey ass watching everything. His broke ass won't get a free education and won't try and get a damn job. His punk ass can rob the people who work hard forget him. I'm happy to see the Law coming by and put him in check.

 

[Garifuna]

I admire Tiger Woods. 'nuff said.

I admire Jim Brown. I don't want to get on his case, but think about it:

Jim Brown was born 4 years after Earl Woods. Jim and Earl were both college graduates who went on to have successful careers. It would be more appropriate to compare Jim Brown to Earl Woods and Tiger Woods to Jim Brown's children than to compare Tiger to Jim Brown.

What are Jim's children up to? I never read or hear what Jim has to say about them.

EDIT: I read where Spike Lee's biopic on Jim Brown contains interviews with two of his children. Anybody care to tell us about them?

 

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

Agreed.

The Amerikkkan Idol



Pretty much.

That makes YOU a defective human being. Just admit that.

Go outside and tell that to anybody.

But, I see your East German avatar, and it all starts to make sense to me.

No wonder YOUR people were able to kill 6 million jews

I admire Tiger Woods. 'nuff said.

I admire Jim Brown. I don't want to get on his case, but think about it:

Jim Brown was born 4 years after Earl Woods. Jim and Earl were both college graduates who went on to have successful careers. It would be more appropriate to compare Jim Brown to Earl Woods and Tiger Woods to Jim Brown's children than to compare Tiger to Jim Brown.

What are Jim's children up to? I never read or hear what Jim has to say about them.

EDIT: I read where Spike Lee's biopic on Jim Brown contains interviews with two of his children. Anybody care to tell us about them?

Not really. Jim Browns kids aren't celebrities who USED race as a means to make millions of dollars and gain fame, while at the same time running from the responsibility of race.

Hell, Jim Brown's kids probably aren't even rich at all.

 

[Nevsky]

The Amerikkkan Idol

That makes YOU a defective human being. Just admit that

How on earth does what I just said make me a defective human being? It wasnt me that let the togetherness in the black community evaporate. The result is that it's "every man for himself". Many black have adapted to it.


If you were referring to your comment about those black trail blazers, then you are mistaken. I stand by what I said, none of them owed anyone anything nor were they obligated to do shit. That my friend is a fact. In truth that actually makes what they did even more amazing. They voluntarily did what they did and made sacrifices. Thats a testimate to who they were as people.

But, I see your East German avatar, and it all starts to make sense to me.

No wonder YOUR people were able to kill 6 million jews

Haha. I read your comment and I actually laughed. I'll clarify it to you. I'm no German. If I was anything other than black I wouldn't bother to discuss this topic with you or anyone else for that matter. Years ago I had a large interest in the former Soviet Union and it's sattelite states. I chose to use the GDR symbol only because I always felt that it looked "cool", nothing deeper to it. I would have used the Soviet state symbol but that felt...rather cliche.

A brief history lesson in reference to your last comment. East Germany was formed after world war two and received an even harsher denazification than their west german counter parts (Wev gone way off topic havent we?).

Oh and one other thing. The nazis...were very much against individualism. Which is of course what I believe in. Live and let live? Not in Nazi germany, obviously.

 

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

The Amerikkkan Idol



How on earth does what I just said make me a defective human being? It wasnt me that let the togetherness in the black community evaporate. The result is that it's "every man for himself". Many black have adapted to it.


If you were referring to your comment about those black trail blazers, then you are mistaken. I stand by what I said, none of them owed anyone anything nor were they obligated to do shit. That my friend is a fact. In truth that actually makes what they did even more amazing. They voluntarily did what they did and made sacrifices. Thats a testimate to who they were as people.



Haha. I read your comment and I actually laughed. I'll clarify it to you. I'm no German. If I was anything other than black I wouldn't bother to discuss this topic with you or anyone else for that matter. Years ago I had a large interest in the former Soviet Union and it's sattelite states. I chose to use the GDR symbol only because I always felt that it looked "cool", nothing deeper to it. I would have used the Soviet state symbol but that felt...rather cliche.

A brief history lesson in reference to your last comment. East Germany was formed after world war two and received an even harsher denazification than their west german counter parts (Wev gone way off topic havent we?).

Oh and one other thing. The nazis...were very much against individualism. Which is of course what I believe in. Live and let live? Not in Nazi germany, obviously.

If you don't believe that people are obligated to take care of their families, slaves aren't obligated to help free other slaves, and that nobody's obligated to try to stop the rape and murder of a woman in the street, you ARE a defective human being.

And I know the Nazi's were all about collectivism, as they were one of the few governments to have a "pledge of allegiance", like *ahem* Amerikkka, but they were all about this nihilistic, dog eat dog mentality, which is completely anti humanity. That was what allowed them to throw away human life the way they did.

 

[Nevsky]

If you don't believe that people are obligated to take care of their families, slaves aren't obligated to help free other slaves, and that nobody's obligated to try to stop the rape and murder of a woman in the street, you ARE a defective human being.

And I know the Nazi's were all about collectivism, as they were one of the few governments to have a "pledge of allegiance", like *ahem* Amerikkka, but they were all about this nihilistic, dog eat dog mentality, which is completely anti humanity. That was what allowed them to throw away human life the way they did.

Haha now you are trying to twist it around. Outside of one's own immediate family, no there is no obligation what so ever.

As for your other paragraph it's completely argueable if the "dog eat dog" mentality is human or not. Humans are animals after all, even though people try to pretend otherwise.

Either way Ive gotten my point across.

 

[JD Walker]

If you don't believe that people are obligated to take care of their families, slaves aren't obligated to help free other slaves, and that nobody's obligated to try to stop the rape and murder of a woman in the street, you ARE a defective human being.

Having the CHOICE not to take care of dead beats is what being a human being is all about.