NFL Great Jim Brown Calls Out Tiger Woods & Michael Jordan.

[Uncontainable_Spirit]

This is the schism if you will. In the old school it was about community. If you were successful as a black person you were EXPECTED to give back directly to your community until you affected positive change. It was a given that it would happen. If you didn't do it then there was a problem There was black solidarity. Period. We knew that we had no one else to rely on in terms of propelling us forward but us. Period.

Today in the age of political correctness, feminism and litigiousness community doesn't mean shit. The simple fact that there are so many black men in this particular thread saying that no millionare owes anyone anything is part and parcel of the problem. There is INDIVIDUALISM as opposed to COMMUNITY. That a HUGE problem in the black community particularly. We need each other.

The funny part is that 'the other' knows that when black people unite it's something special. Do some resarch on Black Wall Street. Jim Brown is absolutely correct IMHO.

 

[Uncontainable_Spirit]

If I may piggy back on this theme. Jim Brown is 100% correct. Before the multi-million dollar contracts and endorsements it was people like him who had to pave the way. They held a second job in the off season and they stood up for the collective when it meant losing their jobs and worse - their lives.

For almost 40 years we have been devoid of a socially conscious athlete/activist. People are too scared to loose what they did not suffer to create.

I know the hammer is going to be dropped on me because of this, but you know who is the most disappointing of all...Jordan. There is no other marketing force/symbol of physical excellence and tenacity out there. Once dude left the limelight all he has been good for is stories about how much loot his wife is going to get, if some white girl is on his arm or how his kids are f-n up.....He had/has power but is only seen as a tool to market undershirts. For the generation of "me" yeah he got paid and he got rings, but he had/has more.

You know who was the mother f*ck*ng man - ALI. That dude was beloved globally for the sport he dominated and his outspoken defense of the downtroddened. Did you ever see footage of him giving speeches on race relations? DAMN son...The way he verbally undressed dumbass reporters who tried to test his intelligence. I dare say he was more illusive behind a podium than he was in the ring.

I wish he did not have his brains beat in. He would have made an excellent politician or activist. Dude was more than a boxer. Going to jail over the war, facing death threats, being hounded by the government and he did not care.

We let these athletes sell us clothes, cologne, and shoes but no one asks them to sell us on being more than sheep and consumers. Jim Brown, Ali, Jesse Owens will always be remembered for their competitive excellence, but revered for their contribution to society as a whole. This will not be said for this generation of athletes.

Co-fucking-sign

 

[acexx]

Jim Brown beats women. He shouldn't be talking too much.

very ludicrous,

what's your absurd comment got to do with the topic @ hand?

niccas just like to run mouth just for the heck of it.




ace

 

[Uncontainable_Spirit]

Jim Brown beats women. He shouldn't be talking too much.

Description of Ad Hominem

Translated from Latin to English, "Ad Hominem" means "against the man" or "against the person."

An Ad Hominem is a general category of fallacies in which a claim or argument is rejected on the basis of some irrelevant fact about the author of or the person presenting the claim or argument. Typically, this fallacy involves two steps. First, an attack against the character of person making the claim, her circumstances, or her actions is made (or the character, circumstances, or actions of the person reporting the claim). Second, this attack is taken to be evidence against the claim or argument the person in question is making (or presenting). This type of "argument" has the following form:

1. Person A makes claim X.
2. Person B makes an attack on person A.
3. Therefore A's claim is false.

The reason why an Ad Hominem (of any kind) is a fallacy is that the character, circumstances, or actions of a person do not (in most cases) have a bearing on the truth or falsity of the claim being made (or the quality of the argument being made).
Example of Ad Hominem

1. Bill: "I believe that abortion is morally wrong."
Dave: "Of course you would say that, you're a priest."
Bill: "What about the arguments I gave to support my position?"
Dave: "Those don't count. Like I said, you're a priest, so you have to say that abortion is wrong. Further, you are just a lackey to the Pope, so I can't believe what you say."

 

[malaki]

jim brown is a real dude

tiger and jordan really don't amount to shit to me. all that money doesn't matter if you don't have consciousness

 

[Damn Right]

Hardly. If no contract was signed then no debt was owed. Now, those individuals that actually to try to give something back, these people should be praised.

well, u obviously come from the 'me/me' generation. meaning it's all about what u can get and fuk the next man. that generation is more self-centered and selfish. but i grew up in a time where people who came up in the public eye did something to help the lives of those they left behind -- financially left anyway

 

[Nevsky]

Blacks need to help and assist each other to pull up our communities, blacks need to stop this white boy mentality and realize what's going on out there.

It has start from the bottom. Otherwise..you go ahead and wait for it.

, Woods and all these other house niggas is a big part of the problem, much like the black middle class who once they get money, they move always and began to look down at their own, instead of offering creative advice, they clown and joke.... feel sorry for you before they help you.

House niggas? Because they arent doing what they think they should? Fucking hilarious. For the record I don't think many of them "look down on their own".


Acur

The hood has to pull itself up.

Exactly. Change wont come from the upper class or the "Wealthy blacks". People must start with themselves first on the individual level.

Would kats be happy if Tiger and Mike gave all they away to the hood and live in the ghetto?

No they would not. You see for many blacks, it's like youre damned if you do and damned if you don't. So fuck you may as well live however makes you happy and say fuck it to those who don't like it. It is what it is.


Uncontainable_Spirit

This is the schism if you will. In the old school it was about community. If you were successful as a black person you were EXPECTED to give back directly to your community until you affected positive change. It was a given that it would happen. If you didn't do it then there was a problem There was black solidarity. Period. We knew that we had no one else to rely on in terms of propelling us forward but us. Period.

No doubt. Often times I think about this and back during those times. Each time I do a question forms in my mind...and that question is had it not been for segregation and extreme white racism and violence, would things have worked that way? I don't know that answer and neither does anyone else. We essentially had no choice than to operate in the way we once did. The moment we got the choice, well you already know.

Today in the age of political correctness, feminism and litigiousness community doesn't mean shit. The simple fact that there are so many black men in this particular thread saying that no millionare owes anyone anything is part and parcel of the problem. There is INDIVIDUALISM as opposed to COMMUNITY. That a HUGE problem in the black community particularly. We need each other.

Argueable. One would say Community undermines individualism and leaves you "bound" or restricted. Ive made it known that I am very individualistic at my core. I don't believe that anyone should be expected to behave or do anything based on race alone. The truth is at it's core, these rich black celebrities don't owe anyone shit. It's a fact. It is today, and even when blacks were much more united it was a fact then. The only difference is that back then there was an actual community, that could be relied on. Close together a type of family. This no longer is here, and I doubt it will ever come back unless it's under a life or death type of situation. So as a result you ve many that choose not to give anything. Accept it for what it is.

The funny part is that 'the other' knows that when black people unite it's something special. Do some resarch on Black Wall Street. Jim Brown is absolutely correct IMHO.

Sure is. All kinds of things can be done. The only problem is that people are unwilling to make the sacrifices to build these things in the modern day. It'll take someone absolutely dedicated to this cause and nothing short of that.

 

[Nevsky]

well, u obviously come from the 'me/me' generation. meaning it's all about what u can get and fuk the next man. that generation is more self-centered and selfish. but i grew up in a time where people who came up in the public eye did something to help the lives of those they left behind -- financially left anyway

Me/me? No my friend. I came from the "every man for himself" generation. The generation of "do what you can to make it because no one is going to give shit". For the most part, as much as people on here don't like it, thats the reality and many people have adapted to it. The end result is what we see today, and we wont be going back anytime soon...if ever (and I highly doubt that "if ever" part).

As for the "back in my day mantra", most celebrities do donate to charity. My whole thing isnt that they should or shouldn't. I'm not one to attack someone for what they do with their money or life. I merely stated that they arent obligated to do anything, and they arent. What I also mentioned was that instead of crying and bitching about people who don't give a damn about you, people should be praising those that actually do care. Of course people here me say "don't owe you shit" and want to get stupid because they want people to feel like they are obligated, when they arent. Just my point of view.

 

[The Amerikkkan Idol]

Naw nigga, you eat shit and die.

You are a young simp who hasn't lived long enough to understand that people are responsible for themselves and that most people are beyond "help", don't understand "help", don't want "help", and don't deserve "help".

Human beings create their own heaven and hell. If muthafuckas want help, they need to start with the man in the mirror.

And who the fuck are you to tell other people how they should be livin? This is a free country. I swear, if niggas completely ran this country we'd have no free will and no freedom of speech.

Why should I waste my life helping hood-trash who won't appreciate and understand the help I'm giving?

I rather help myself to some Brazillian chicks.

Well then take your ass to Brazil and STAY THERE!!!

What if MLK, Malcolm X and Muhammad Ali and Jim Brown had the mentality YOU have?

Where would YOU be.

Jim Brown was fuckin' all of the finest White bitches in Hollywood in the 1960s. What if he did that and didn't give a fuck about YOUR Black asses' future?

What if Bill Russell and Ali and them didn't speak up for the community and just went about their way and said, "Hey, I'm rich and doing for self, fuck you"?

You would be a dumb nigga in the ghetto somewhere, just like the people who you despise.

Do they owe the little CACs as well since they are the ones who by most of their merchandise?

CAC's take care of each other.

You never gotta tell a Pol to take care of other Pols or Asians or anybody else to take care of their OWN people.

Wrong. I never said Jim Brown didnt do anything. Good on him for what he does. My issue is with him thinking that he has the right to tell others what to do with their time or their money.




Thats because it is, and no one has any right to claim it. Nor are those with money, obliged to give their money. It is what it is.




These are cultures bound by religion and in the case of the chinese, much of their values are hold overs from their old country. The chinese government persecutes individualistic ideas. Some of them hold on to that. In anycase we arent them.



Hey, I don't blame them for saying fuck you to strangers that want to act as if they owe them money. It's an adequate response...and I doubt these are the same ones that are complaining.

The truth is, for those that "want to come together" and build or what have you, then do so. Get together with other like minded individuals and build. Set the example and others may or may not follow. Thats far more practical than trying to call out those that choose not to. Just my view atleast.

You say that as if the Chinese and other groups have it WRONG. They are the ones who have it RIGHT, which is why they come here and SUCCEED.

You propagate the FALLACY of "individualism", when I've showed you that not ONE group of people who have come here and succeeded did it on their own.

THEY ALL HAD HELP FROM THEIR OWN PEOPLE, INCLUDING CRIMINALS!!!

It has start from the bottom. Otherwise..you go ahead and wait for it.



House niggas? Because they arent doing what they think they should? Fucking hilarious. For the record I don't think many of them "look down on their own".


Acur



Exactly. Change wont come from the upper class or the "Wealthy blacks". People must start with themselves first on the individual level.



No they would not. You see for many blacks, it's like youre damned if you do and damned if you don't. So fuck you may as well live however makes you happy and say fuck it to those who don't like it. It is what it is.


Uncontainable_Spirit



No doubt. Often times I think about this and back during those times. Each time I do a question forms in my mind...and that question is had it not been for segregation and extreme white racism and violence, would things have worked that way? I don't know that answer and neither does anyone else. We essentially had no choice than to operate in the way we once did. The moment we got the choice, well you already know.



Argueable. One would say Community undermines individualism and leaves you "bound" or restricted. Ive made it known that I am very individualistic at my core. I don't believe that anyone should be expected to behave or do anything based on race alone. The truth is at it's core, these rich black celebrities don't owe anyone shit. It's a fact. It is today, and even when blacks were much more united it was a fact then. The only difference is that back then there was an actual community, that could be relied on. Close together a type of family. This no longer is here, and I doubt it will ever come back unless it's under a life or death type of situation. So as a result you ve many that choose not to give anything. Accept it for what it is.



Sure is. All kinds of things can be done. The only problem is that people are unwilling to make the sacrifices to build these things in the modern day. It'll take someone absolutely dedicated to this cause and nothing short of that.

Name me ONE group where the "wealthy" WEREN'T the catalysts behind economic change.

Name one.

Italians?
Irish?
Jews?
Asians?
Arabs?

Name ONE.

Poor people cant EMPLOY THEMSELVES. Why? Because they are too poor to support themselves.

Poor people can't build schools, why? Because they are too poor to support themselves.

YOUR logic ONLY works, if the poor people in said community get RICH somehow and and then by your logic ABANDON their community, which starts the cycle all over again.

The only way crime stops is when ECONOMIC opportunities are created and those are CREATED by people within said community who got rich, either through crime, business, or. . . in the case of The Kennedy's, Daleys, and many others. . . both, coming back to the POOR communities they came from and RAISING IT UP!!!!

Poor people don't have the resources to generate wealth. That's why they are poor.

The few that get rich in YOUR opinion, shouldn't bring it back and water the growth of their community, they should just say, "Fuck y'all, do for self".

Well that has NEVER worked in the HISTORY OF AMERICA.

You do well move back to the hood and You get robbed. What will you say then its' the white man's fault for creating the ghetto slum. Go back and help out. Make sure your family is in a safe community away from the riff raff. Jordan's kids didn't live on the southside.


Black folks do help out. The hood has to pull itself up. The hood gets the money and access. It always wants more and more and more. Would kats be happy if Tiger and Mike gave all they away to the hood and live in the ghetto?

Name me ONE hood in the history of Amerikkka that pulled ITSELF up.

New York was REBUILT by prohibition ALCOHOL MONEY

L.A. and Las Vegas were built by GANGSTERS

Miami was practically built by the Cubans and Colombians in the drug trade during the 1980s.

I'm waiting dumb ass nigga.

Name me ONE major URBAN area that just one day decided to "PULL ITSELF UP"

Name ONE!!!!

YOUR hometown of Detroit was built by WHITE gangsters too.

The Detroit Partnership, also known as the Detroit Combination or the Tocco-Licavoli-Zerilli crime family, is an organized crime group within the national criminal phenomenon known as the American Mafia or La Cosa Nostra, This Thing of Ours to its members. Based in Detroit, Michigan, the group's illicit activities include labor racketeering, gambling, loansharking, extortion, hijacking, fencing, narcotics and a number of legitimate businesses that include a race track, trucking and garbage hauling firms, construction companies, restaurants, food supply and laundry services.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detroit_Partnership

 

[Delta7]

Well then take your ass to Brazil and STAY THERE!!!

What if MLK, Malcolm X and Muhammad Ali and Jim Brown had the mentality YOU have?

Where would YOU be.

Jim Brown was fuckin' all of the finest White bitches in Hollywood in the 1960s. What if he did that and didn't give a fuck about YOUR Black asses' future?

What if Bill Russell and Ali and them didn't speak up for the community and just went about their way and said, "Hey, I'm rich and doing for self, fuck you"?

You would be a dumb nigga in the ghetto somewhere, just like the people who you despise.



CAC's take care of each other.

You never gotta tell a Pol to take care of other Pols or Asians or anybody else to take care of their OWN people.



You say that as if the Chinese and other groups have it WRONG. They are the ones who have it RIGHT, which is why they come here and SUCCEED.

You propagate the FALLACY of "individualism", when I've showed you that not ONE group of people who have come here and succeeded did it on their own.

THEY ALL HAD HELP FROM THEIR OWN PEOPLE, INCLUDING CRIMINALS!!!




Name me ONE group where the "wealthy" WEREN'T the catalysts behind economic change.

Name one.

Italians?
Irish?
Jews?
Asians?
Arabs?

Name ONE.

Poor people cant EMPLOY THEMSELVES. Why? Because they are too poor to support themselves.

Poor people can't build schools, why? Because they are too poor to support themselves.

YOUR logic ONLY works, if the poor people in said community get RICH somehow and and then by your logic ABANDON their community, which starts the cycle all over again.

The only way crime stops is when ECONOMIC opportunities are created and those are CREATED by people within said community who got rich, either through crime, business, or. . . in the case of The Kennedy's, Daleys, and many others. . . both, coming back to the POOR communities they came from and RAISING IT UP!!!!

Poor people don't have the resources to generate wealth. That's why they are poor.

The few that get rich in YOUR opinion, shouldn't bring it back and water the growth of their community, they should just say, "Fuck y'all, do for self".

Well that has NEVER worked in the HISTORY OF AMERICA.




Name me ONE hood in the history of Amerikkka that pulled ITSELF up.

New York was REBUILT by prohibition ALCOHOL MONEY

L.A. and Las Vegas were built by GANGSTERS

Miami was practically built by the Cubans and Colombians in the drug trade during the 1980s.

I'm waiting dumb ass nigga.

Name me ONE major URBAN area that just one day decided to "PULL ITSELF UP"

Name ONE!!!!

YOUR hometown of Detroit was built by WHITE gangsters too.

The Detroit Partnership, also known as the Detroit Combination or the Tocco-Licavoli-Zerilli crime family, is an organized crime group within the national criminal phenomenon known as the American Mafia or La Cosa Nostra, This Thing of Ours to its members. Based in Detroit, Michigan, the group's illicit activities include labor racketeering, gambling, loansharking, extortion, hijacking, fencing, narcotics and a number of legitimate businesses that include a race track, trucking and garbage hauling firms, construction companies, restaurants, food supply and laundry services.




http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Detroit_Partnership

 

[JD Walker]

Well then take your ass to Brazil and STAY THERE!!!

What if MLK, Malcolm X and Muhammad Ali and Jim Brown had the mentality YOU have?

Where would YOU be.

Jim Brown was fuckin' all of the finest White bitches in Hollywood in the 1960s. What if he did that and didn't give a fuck about YOUR Black asses' future?

What if Bill Russell and Ali and them didn't speak up for the community and just went about their way and said, "Hey, I'm rich and doing for self, fuck you"?

You would be a dumb nigga in the ghetto somewhere, just like the people who you despise.

Jim Brown ain't done jack shit for JD Walker nigga.

I worked hard for my own shit. Why should I share that with yo lazy ass? Why should I give 2 shits about niggas and bitches making bad financial decisions (having babies). That's their shit on the floor, they need to go play in it. You need to stop being a time wasting enabling coon and get with the program and see the majority of people for who they really are; untrustworthy pieces of shit that wouldn't spit on you if you were on fire.

 

[bizzyboddy]

Jim Brown ain't done jack shit for JD Walker nigga.

I worked hard for my own shit. Why should I share that with yo lazy ass? Why should I give 2 shits about niggas and bitches making bad financial decisions (having babies). That's their shit on the floor, they need to go play in it. You need to stop being a time wasting enabling coon and get with the program and see the majority of people for who they really are; untrustworthy pieces of shit that wouldn't spit on you if you were on fire.

 

[Complex]

Jim Brown ain't done jack shit for JD Walker nigga.

I worked hard for my own shit. Why should I share that with yo lazy ass? Why should I give 2 shits about niggas and bitches making bad financial decisions (having babies). That's their shit on the floor, they need to go play in it. You need to stop being a time wasting enabling coon and get with the program and see the majority of people for who they really are; untrustworthy pieces of shit that wouldn't spit on you if you were on fire.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

sometimes cutting a check can go further than just making an appearance and giving a speech.

http://sun.menloschool.org/~sportman/ethnic/individual/jordan/index.html

When you're Tiger Woods or Michael Jordan or Kobe or LeBron, no it doesn't.

Ask Ballpark Franks or Energizer or Vitamin Water or Hanes or any number of advertisers and sponsors on the power of a top star endorsing their product.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Me/me? No my friend. I came from the "every man for himself" generation. The generation of "do what you can to make it because no one is going to give shit". For the most part, as much as people on here don't like it, thats the reality and many people have adapted to it. The end result is what we see today, and we wont be going back anytime soon...if ever (and I highly doubt that "if ever" part).

This is different, how?

Boy, Reagan won. He sold the "Fuck them, get yours" mentality and it's still selling even though it's been exposed as detrimental to the individual and the community. That nigga was the Devil.

 

[cosmologics]

I don't agree with Jim Browns assessment....

Tiger + Michael Jordan have influence more people to lead successful lives than any kinda activism would ever have. How many of us on BGOL kept our grades up to make the team to be like mike. Each of these people choose to touch the world in their own way.....

I can't knock a man who doesn't share my convictions. People are who they are. I love tiger and mike for what they personify with sports. The push the limit of imagination and possibility.

 

[woodchuck]

Colin Alert!!!:
First of all, someone needs to come up with a concrete definition of "giving back". Secondly, Jim Brown does a whole lot for the "community", that's a fact, but when did he start? Not a shot, but an honest question, because I don't know. Did he start in his retired years, or did he start while he was at the top of his game, like Tiger is? To me, the 2 people who put it ALL on the line were Eartha Kitt and Ali. They jeopardized their careers to on behalf of their people. The fact that not too many people were willing to do that then, should tell you that you shouldn't expect too many people to do that now.

Sometimes, having a deep familiarity with your people will make you hesitant to "give back". Two things have always stuck with me. One year I volunteered to participate at a shelter during Christmas. As we were handing out toys, one of the mothers said, "This is some cheap shit! I wouldn't buy this bullshit for my child!", I wanted to say, "No bitch, you wouldn't because YOU'RE FUCKING BROKE!", but I didn't. Another thing I remember was this cat in NYC. He owned a few supermarkets, and he tried to keep the money in his neighborhood. He hired the people that lived there, helped reopen the after school spot, paid to fix up the park when the city refused, and all kinds of other shit. Dude literally spent a few hundred thousand dollars in his community. He said that after he'd been robbed for the 5th time and the after school spot broken into numerous times, he said "Fuck it.", sold off his stores and moved away.

What I'm saying is, it takes 2 to "give back". If the cats that Jim Brown is mentoring and helping keep doing the same shit, what's the point? It seems to me that black celebrities are the only ones who are forcefully obligated to "give back". Why is that? This may be unpopular, but if MJ or Tiger wants to do some shit in "the hood", that's great, but to tell them that they "owe" the people in the hood is bullshit. Some of the same people who were clowning the nerdy guy for "acting and talking" white, are the same people asking, "What's he doing for the hood?", when he becomes successful.

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Colin Alert!!!:
First of all, someone needs to come up with a concrete definition of "giving back". Secondly, Jim Brown does a whole lot for the "community", that's a fact, but when did he start? Not a shot, but an honest question, because I don't know. Did he start in his retired years, or did he start while he was at the top of his game, like Tiger is? To me, the 2 people who put it ALL on the line were Eartha Kitt and Ali. They jeopardized their careers to on behalf of their people. The fact that not too many people were willing to do that then, should tell you that you shouldn't expect too many people to do that now.

Brown was right there with Ali at a time when being seen with him could have hurt him financially. Same with Russell. Jim Brown has always been there.

Sometimes, having a deep familiarity with your people will make you hesitant to "give back". Two things have always stuck with me. One year I volunteered to participate at a shelter during Christmas. As we were handing out toys, one of the mothers said, "This is some cheap shit! I wouldn't buy this bullshit for my child!", I wanted to say, "No bitch, you wouldn't because YOU'RE FUCKING BROKE!", but I didn't. Another thing I remember was this cat in NYC. He owned a few supermarkets, and he tried to keep the money in his neighborhood. He hired the people that lived there, helped reopen the after school spot, paid to fix up the park when the city refused, and all kinds of other shit. Dude literally spent a few hundred thousand dollars in his community. He said that after he'd been robbed for the 5th time and the after school spot broken into numerous times, he said "Fuck it.", sold off his stores and moved away. What I'm saying is, it takes 2 to "give back". If the cats that Jim Brown is mentoring and helping keep doing the same shit, what's the point? It seems to me that black celebrities are the only ones who are forcefully obligated to "give back". Why is that? This may be unpopular, but if MJ or Tiger wants to do some shit in "the hood", that's great, but to tell them that they "owe" the people in the hood is bullshit. Some of the same people who were clowning the nerdy guy for "acting and talking" white, are the same people asking, "What's he doing for the hood?", when he becomes successful.

You recounted a story about one woman but where the majority of the people like that? I doubt it since this woman stood out.
It does not take two to give back. That doesn't even make sense. The guy in NY at least tried but when you can do and don't even try then you are ripe for criticism.
It's not about what they "owe" but everyone seems to like the saying "To whom much is given, much is asked" until somebody asks.

 

[woodchuck]

Brown was right there with Ali at a time when being seen with him could have hurt him financially. Same with Russell. Jim Brown has always been there.

Okay, I never knew that. Cool.

You recounted a story about one woman but where the majority of the people like that? I doubt it since this woman stood out.
It does not take two to give back. That doesn't even make sense. The guy in NY at least tried but when you can do and don't even try then you are ripe for criticism.
It's not about what they "owe" but everyone seems to like the saying "To whom much is given, much is asked" until somebody asks.

I see what you're saying, but it seems to me that people are coming at most of these celebs in a hostile manner, so to speak, and I'm not cool with that. Sometimes, instead of asking "Would you please...?", they come with a "Nigga, do something...!" approach. As for the lady, she wasn't the only one. True that shouldn't paint everyone in that position with a broad brush, but it does make an impression. As for me saying that it takes two to give back, I stand by that. If a person is going out of their way to help you, you could atleast have made it worth their while. That's what I meant by that. Could've used a better phrase, but it's Sunday, sue me!

 

[Upgrade Dave]

Okay, I never knew that. Cool.



I see what you're saying, but it seems to me that people are coming at most of these celebs in a hostile manner, so to speak, and I'm not cool with that. Sometimes, instead of asking "Would you please...?", they come with a "Nigga, do something...!" approach. As for the lady, she wasn't the only one. True that shouldn't paint everyone in that position with a broad brush, but it does make an impression. As for me saying that it takes two to give back, I stand by that. If a person is going out of their way to help you, you could atleast have made it worth their while. That's what I meant by that. Could've used a better phrase, but it's Sunday, sue me!

I understand that but that's the kind of thing you hear when someone does real racist shit like cabs that don't pick up Black passengers. When you ask one he'll tell you about the time he or someone he knows got robbed by a Black rider. But that's one extreme case compared to how many Black riders have you had?

I don't think Brown at this point thinks that what he says is going to move any of these guys to do more but he's never been one to hold his opinion when asked and he was asked. Niggas love "real talk" until you talk about them (or their heroes).

 

[woodchuck]

Niggas love "real talk" until you talk about them (or their heroes).

100% truth!! Myself included sometimes! The one thing that REALLY gets me is the "How dare you?" attitude of the E Militants. I remember reading a blog from one shortly after MTV aired a "Cribs" episode. Dude was like, "How can these black folks be on 'Cribs', when there are children starving in Africa?!".

 

[Brother Blaque]

i dont consider woods black.

Cosign
Fuck Figer Woods
And
Michael Jordan.​

 

[Brother Blaque]

Brown was right there with Ali at a time when being seen with him could have hurt him financially. Same with Russell. Jim Brown has always been there.

In 1967, some of the nation's top black athletes came to Cleveland to support Muhammad Ali:

Front row: Bill Russell, Ali, Jim Brown, and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar (formerly Lew Alcindor).

Back row: Carl Stokes, Walter Beach, Bobby Mitchell, Sid Williams, Curtis McClinton, Willie Davis, Jim Shorter and John Wooten.​

This ain't happening today.
Believe that shit​

 

[Upgrade Dave]

This ain't happening today.
Believe that shit​

If a Black athlete took a hard stand like Ali did, that brother would be standing alone.

I take that back, Jim Brown and Bill Russell would be there.

 

[kboogs]

"Some of These Niggaz Iz Bytches Too!"

 

[Brother Blaque]

If a Black athlete took a hard stand like Ali did, that brother would be standing alone.

I take that back, Jim Brown and Bill Russell would be there.

You got that right​

 

[DAYNE]

"Some of These Niggaz Iz Bytches Too!"

 

[yureeka9]

Jim Brown beats women. He shouldn't be talking too much.

 

[Thedod]

All respect due to Jim Brown but who is he to say how someone should spend their money or their time. He had the opportunity to do alot more than he did. There are other athletes that make alot of money and actors. Why didn't he call out Will Smith? Denzel Washington, or Colin Powell. he should respectfully just shut the fuck up.

 

[Nevsky]

Amerikkan Idol

You say that as if the Chinese and other groups have it WRONG. They are the ones who have it RIGHT, which is why they come here and SUCCEED.

You propagate the FALLACY of "individualism", when I've showed you that not ONE group of people who have come here and succeeded did it on their own.

THEY ALL HAD HELP FROM THEIR OWN PEOPLE, INCLUDING CRIMINALS!!!

Haha, who are you to say it's right? It's neither right or wrong. It's just one method of success. One of many.

You propogate the fallacy of collectivism. Collectivism can work, I never once said that it could not. I have nothing wrong with blacks that choose to practice this belief. My issue comes with those who try to force it on us all.


Name me ONE group where the "wealthy" WEREN'T the catalysts behind economic change.

Name one.

Italians?
Irish?
Jews?
Asians?
Arabs?

Name ONE.

You mention all these groups, they have one thing in common that we don't. They have the immigrant mentality of togetherness. We no longer have a "together" mentality. Which makes it impractical for us (which is who we are talking about). Not saying it's impossible, just saying change wont come from the wealthy in our community. It must start from the bottom. The black community can be likened to a 3rd world country. The best and brightest get the fuck out and usually don't return. The ones that remain are the only ones that can truly be counted on.

Poor people cant EMPLOY THEMSELVES. Why? Because they are too poor to support themselves.

Poor people can't build schools, why? Because they are too poor to support themselves.

Wrong. The poor can come together and pool what little they have, and start very small businesses. This would obviously require alot of trust and sacrifice. It's what many immigrants do when they get here. If lower income blacks were to do follow the examples set by these immigrants then they too could have atleast a little something. Of course, this wont happen because people would rather point fingers than think progressively.

YOUR logic ONLY works, if the poor people in said community get RICH somehow and and then by your logic ABANDON their community, which starts the cycle all over again.

My logic? Clearly you are mistaken. I never said anyone should do anything. If those that get rich want to leave...then it's perfectly acceptable. It is of course their life and no one has any right to try to dictate it. Just like its the right of those that want to stay and become activists or attempt to rebuild the community. Live and let live, as I like to say.

The only way crime stops is when ECONOMIC opportunities are created and those are CREATED by people within said community who got rich, either through crime, business, or. . . in the case of The Kennedy's, Daleys, and many others. . . both, coming back to the POOR communities they came from and RAISING IT UP!!!!

...and econmic opportunities wont come unless people feel they can make decent money in said area. It's like a scale for most Americanized people, how much to I get out and how much do I put in? This is why many decide that it's not worth it. As for those examples of people that came back and helped where they came from...thats great. Good for them. Like I said before, I never advocated people to leave or to stay. I think those that stay and help are admirable and should be praised. Which is actually what I said early on.

Poor people don't have the resources to generate wealth. That's why they are poor.

This is true, and it's why the poor should pool what little they have to build something more. Of course many choose not to do this.

The few that get rich in YOUR opinion, shouldn't bring it back and water the growth of their community, they should just say, "Fuck y'all, do for self".

Well that has NEVER worked in the HISTORY OF AMERICA.

Wrong. Again, I never stated that any should or shouldnt bring growth to their community. As for the "fuck yall, do for self" comment I say this, ultimately you can only rely on yourself. So instead of waiting for someone to help you, you need to be as proactive as possible in obtaining your goal. In the modern day "self" is much more reliable than community, atleast in our case. Just my opinion.

As for your other comment, the answer is that I agree. However it can work for individuals but not the collective. Which to me is more than acceptable. .

 

[Nevsky]

Jim Brown ain't done jack shit for JD Walker nigga.

I worked hard for my own shit. Why should I share that with yo lazy ass? Why should I give 2 shits about niggas and bitches making bad financial decisions (having babies). That's their shit on the floor, they need to go play in it. You need to stop being a time wasting enabling coon and get with the program and see the majority of people for who they really are; untrustworthy pieces of shit that wouldn't spit on you if you were on fire.

Exactly, people that believe in building collectivism tend to live in a fantasy world when it comes to our current situation. You can only truly rely upon yourself in our time. This imaginary "community" is as worst non existant, and at best completely unreliable due to exactly what you just stated. The whole "black collectivism" concept works on things being more ideal. People genuinely caring about the next man. This is no longer the case most times. Not to take awa from Jim Brown's charitable acts of course.

 

[Acur]

Cosign
Fuck Figer Woods
And
Michael Jordan.​

STFU and GO PLAY. GO TAKE THAT E- MILITANT CRAP SOMEWHERE ELSE.

THESE BROTHAS HAVE DONE THEIR JOB. YOU MAD POOKIE DON'T GET A HANDOUT. MJ AND TIGER WOODS BOTH GIVE BACK. WHAT DO YOU WANT FROM THEM TO MARCH LIKE REV. GOODLOVE AND HIS FOLLOWERS? THEY DON'T OWE ME A THING. I WORK FOR WHAT I WANT.

 

[Nevsky]

This is different, how?

Boy, Reagan won. He sold the "Fuck them, get yours" mentality and it's still selling even though it's been exposed as detrimental to the individual and the community. That nigga was the Devil.

Good question, I guess you were right. The "Fuck them, get yours" mentality will remain here. It will remain as long as people feel that they cannont rely upon one another. There probably wont be any going back for us.

 

[Nevsky]

Colin Alert!!!:
First of all, someone needs to come up with a concrete definition of "giving back". Secondly, Jim Brown does a whole lot for the "community", that's a fact, but when did he start? Not a shot, but an honest question, because I don't know. Did he start in his retired years, or did he start while he was at the top of his game, like Tiger is? To me, the 2 people who put it ALL on the line were Eartha Kitt and Ali. They jeopardized their careers to on behalf of their people. The fact that not too many people were willing to do that then, should tell you that you shouldn't expect too many people to do that now.

Sometimes, having a deep familiarity with your people will make you hesitant to "give back". Two things have always stuck with me. One year I volunteered to participate at a shelter during Christmas. As we were handing out toys, one of the mothers said, "This is some cheap shit! I wouldn't buy this bullshit for my child!", I wanted to say, "No bitch, you wouldn't because YOU'RE FUCKING BROKE!", but I didn't. Another thing I remember was this cat in NYC. He owned a few supermarkets, and he tried to keep the money in his neighborhood. He hired the people that lived there, helped reopen the after school spot, paid to fix up the park when the city refused, and all kinds of other shit. Dude literally spent a few hundred thousand dollars in his community. He said that after he'd been robbed for the 5th time and the after school spot broken into numerous times, he said "Fuck it.", sold off his stores and moved away.

What I'm saying is, it takes 2 to "give back". If the cats that Jim Brown is mentoring and helping keep doing the same shit, what's the point? It seems to me that black celebrities are the only ones who are forcefully obligated to "give back". Why is that? This may be unpopular, but if MJ or Tiger wants to do some shit in "the hood", that's great, but to tell them that they "owe" the people in the hood is bullshit. Some of the same people who were clowning the nerdy guy for "acting and talking" white, are the same people asking, "What's he doing for the hood?", when he becomes successful.

Thank you for th second and last paragraphs.

 

[Blunt]

He should be "calling out" Chris Brown and other batterers, but that would be hitting too close to home. Twisted priorities, as usual.