Germany just fucked Zimbabwe, war is on.....

[water]

German firm halts bank note sales to Mugabe regime


By MATT MOORE, AP Business WriterTue Jul 1, 4:30 PM ET


A German company that has been supplying paper used by Zimbabwe's central bank to print bank notes said Tuesday it is stopping shipments immediately at the request of Germany's government.


The move could be a new problem for the regime of President Robert Mugabe, which has been churning out currency amid skyrocketing inflation that forces Zimbabweans to shop with bundles of cash. A pint of milk can cost 3 billion Zimbabwe dollars, or about 30 U.S. cents.


Giesecke & Devrient GmbH of Munich said it would stop delivering bank note paper to the Reserve Bank of Zimbabwe "with immediate effect." It said the decision came in response to an official request from the German government and calls for international sanctions by the European Union and United Nations.


"Our decision is a reaction to the political tension in Zimbabwe, which is mounting significantly rather than easing as expected, and takes account of the critical evaluation by the international community, German government and general public," chief executive Karsten Ottenberg said in a statement.


Zimbabwe's currency needs have spiraled upward as a shattered economy spurs overheated inflation.



Prices rose 165,000 percent in February, according to government figures, but independent experts say the real inflation rate is closer to 4 million percent.


Mugabe, who was sworn in as president for a sixth term Sunday after a widely discredited runoff election, was once hailed for leading Zimbabwe's independence fight.



But he has grown increasingly unpopular for land seizures and other economic policies (not sanctions right?) that wrecked the country's once-vibrant agriculture sector.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080701/ap_on_re_af/germany_zimbabwe







They don't give a fuck if people starve to death and then they come running with the fake outrage the following week.

The African union better step up and back Zim on this one.

The fact is that if you don't get your shit together on your own, you will always be susceptible to these European bastards...........


Fuck Germany.......

Nigeria needs to turn off that oil pipe, Sudan needs to turn off that oil pipe, Equatorial Guinea needs to turn off that oil pipe.........

China is one of our biggest trading partners and they are communist, so what is the fucking problem???

 

[BenQ]

 

[Mr.O]

What part of Africa you in man?

 

[Young Sir]

the problem is their african...

 

[water]

What part of Africa you in man?

I'm not in Africa..........

 

[gq4qt]

A pint of milk can cost 3 billion Zimbabwe dollars, or about 30 U.S. cents.

 

[THREAD_CRITIC]

War.......yeah right.....

 

[DaleMabry]

Im sorry I just dont buy the argument that Mugame is a victim in all of this.

 

[water]

Sanctions are a coward's war. They only boost brutal rulers

Exhortations to stop buying from Zimbabwe may sound bold but such a strategy makes the poor poorer and the evil richer


The supermarket group Tesco has decided to stop buying produce from Zimbabwe, "while the political crisis exists". Its competitor, Waitrose, has decided not to stop buying from Zimbabwe. It believes withdrawal would devastate "the workers and their extended families". They cannot both be right. They are not. Waitrose is right.

Economic sanctions are a coward's war. They do not work but are a way in which rich elites feel they are "committed" to some distant struggle.


They enjoy lasting appeal to politicians because they cost them nothing and are rhetorically macho. They embody the spirit of "something must be done", the last refuge of stupidity in foreign policy.



Tesco's decision followed a flurry of publicity about an Anglo American platinum mine, the cancellation of which would throw hundreds of families into abject poverty, and about the shareholdings of some Tory MPs in Zimbabwe-based companies. The minister for Africa, Lord Malloch Brown, told these companies at the weekend to "look very carefully at their investment portfolio" as "the game is changing". Sanctions should be upgraded.


The African, Commonwealth and international communities have bolstered and cosseted Robert Mugabe's one-party state for 25 years. Only now the dictatorship has become blatant does this cosseting look tasteless.



Tesco will stop buying from Zimbabwe, "while the political crisis exists".

The misnomer is instructive. A crisis is a moment, not a continuum. Zimbabwe is a long continuum and Tesco is abusing language. It is an accessory after the fact of Mugabe's selective impoverishment of his people. The idea that such gestures will make him and his henchmen suddenly see the error of their ways is ludicrous. But Tesco is concerned for its image, not for Zimbabwe.


Champions of economic sanctions can find hardly a shred of evidence in their favour, as indicated in the celebrated 1999 Congressional evidence of Richard Haass of Brookings. He was reduced to admitting they were a "blunt instrument that often produces unintentional and undesirable consequences".


Their first use in modern times, against Italy over Abyssinia in 1935, crashed the lira but did not free the Abyssinians. The US's most ferocious sanctions drove Cuba into the arms of Russia and came near to precipitating a nuclear war - and cemented Castro in power.


The same futility was seen in action against Russia, Poland, Rhodesia, Afghanistan, Nicaragua, Iraq and Iran. Subjecting a political economy to siege leads to consequences. It enforces a command economy, in which the rulers keep what they want for themselves, skimming every deal and corrupting every transaction. It made Saddam Hussein the sixth richest man in the world, as it enriched the Taliban warlords, the Burmese generals and Robert Mugabe.


Sanctions over time destroy the mercantile, managerial and professional classes, the rootstock of opposition to totalitarian government. They push power into the hands of brute force. The withdrawal of trade closes factories, farms and mines, and debilitates the political effectiveness of those dependent on them. More people must rely on state handouts - that is, on the regime.



Disinvestment transfers local assets to the ruler's cronies and prevents foreign traders ameliorating the condition of the people. In South Africa, sanctions tore up the international code of practice enjoined on foreign firms. The recent evolution of "smart sanctions", supposedly aimed at the rich, indicates the absurdity of "dumb" ones.
Rhodesian sanctions created a command economy that supported the white regime for a decade. This was after Harold Wilson, the British prime minister, predicted the rebel downfall in "weeks not months".



Enthusiasts regularly cite South Africa, for the reason that it was subject to sanctions and its government eventually fell, as if the one led to the other. I reported this process during the 80s and found the embargos counter-productive. I was guided by such anti-apartheid activists as Desmond Tutu and Helen Suzman, who dismissed sanctions as a liberal feelgood gesture that was merely putting people out of jobs. (Tutu later changed his mind under pressure from US sanctions lobbyists.)



South African sanctions, starting with that most fatuous of gestures, a sports boycott, led to a burst of white entrepreneurship and import substitution. The arms manufacturer Armscor had to direct its investment to counter-insurgency and fast became a world leader in the (illegal) export of field weapons. Indeed, the best thing to be said for sanctions was that they postponed majority rule while a new generation of black people was educated and advanced, as firms realised apartheid was coming to an end.
Those Anglicans, including the Archbishop of York, who call for such economic aggression, cannot be aware of the implications. They seem to regard it as clean and anti-capitalist, a phantom revolution, a pacifist path to political change.
In almost every case sanctions make the evil richer and more secure, and the poor poorer. What have they done for the Burmese or the Cubans? It was war that brought change, albeit chaos, to Iraq and Afghanistan after sanctions had failed. South Africa was transformed not by sanctions but by the collapse of the moral coherence of Afrikanerdom, leading to an orderly transfer of power. It is arrogant for outsiders to claim any part in that remarkable process.


The only clearcut case of a sanction working was the US's sabotage of sterling during the 1956 Suez crisis. It was effective because Britain was a democracy whose government knew it could not survive a collapsing currency. This is the true paradox: to be susceptible to such pressure a state must have a responsive government, but then such a government should not need sanctioning.



The dictionary definition of the word is "a specific penalty enacted in order to enforce obedience to the law". It is fine for Malloch Brown to sit in a London TV studio and talk the pseudo-enforcement talk of "the game is changing" and "upping the repertoire of sanctions". This will not enforce obedience to any law.



Only invasion would do that. But invasion, in this post-Iraq age, is rightly considered a step too far. So instead we pretend. We toss gestures that will not bring about Mugabe's downfall, only make the poor less able to resist his thugs. And all so that Tesco can feel better for a day.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/jul/02/zimbabwe.tesco



even though his take on the Zimbabwe situation is patronizing to the west, at least he can come out and say that sanction do NOT work.

These western countries are starving the population.............

 

[DaleMabry]

I agree however that sanctions arent the answer.

 

[Bahamapimp]

Check your history son.. i agree dat honkies fucked up this part of africa from back in the day.. but dat kat Mugabe has done alotta fucked up shit in his own rite.. he needs to be outta there.. i look to a coup soon to over throw his ass any day now.. but check da movie "LAMUMBA".. it mite shed lite on your thinking.. i don't see war as eminent doe.. assassination maybe, mugabe done pissed off alot rich crakkkas.. if he fucks with the oil, he's toast for real..

 

[malaki]

uh....shouldn't zimbabwe ease up on the money-printing for a bit?

 

[water]

Check your history son.. i agree dat honkies fucked up this part of africa from back in the day.. but dat kat Mugabe has done alotta fucked up shit in his own rite.. he needs to be outta there.. i look to a coup soon to over throw his ass any day now.. but check da movie "LAMUMBA".. it mite shed lite on your thinking.. i don't see war as eminent doe.. assassination maybe, mugabe done pissed off alot rich crakkkas.. if he fucks with the oil, he's toast for real..

No matter how much shit any leader does, who gives another country the right to dictate what is right to another country?

It's the same shit the US was doing in Vietnam while black people here was under state sponsored terrorism.

Why don't we stop trading with China?

Do you know what system of govt they have?

Why don't we stop trading with Saudi Arabia?

Do you know what system of govt they have?



The mask is off, you cannot fool all the people all the time..........


The message is clear, do not fuck with white "settlers" who killed thousands of your people for your own land.



Mugabe fucked up by not establishing alternate trading partners BEFORE he started to kick out those occupiers, uh I mean "settlers"...........

 

[MegaDell]

Zimbabwe dollers? Sounds like some Monopoly money shit.

 

[water]

Zimbabwe dollers? Sounds like some Monopoly money shit.

Shit is NOT funny homie.........


Do you know what would happen if China converts their US currency reserve to Euro tomorrow morning?



We would be in the same fucking boat..........

 

[Tazirai]

A soldier on CNN last night said this..

When Asked by Jack Cafferty...

" The reason we know it's for oil is this.. Operation iraqi freedom or OIF, is the term used for the media."

"The term we, the soldiers use is Operation Iraqi Liberation..OIL, Now theres a small country in Africa, with somebody as bad as Saddam, Unfortunately, theirs no Way to correctly Spell Operation iraqi Liberation there."

That shit had them dudes on CNN, like..

 

[Makkonnen]

all of what he fought for is squandered - this will end in civil war and the normal progression

pure fuckery

3billion dollars for a PINT of milk - you need a fuckin truck to haul the cash to buy a pint of milk

he can die saying fuck you whitey but what about the people he fought for? they'll fuckin starve or have their kids fighting sierra leone style

 

[DaleMabry]

Shit Kaya, no one says Germany has to keep printing that bitch ass nigga's monopoly money either.

How is that dictating terms to another nation? How is that fucking him over?

Italy's Lira ended up hitting five digits (10,000) and they freaked out.

3 billion? For milk? Fuck outta here, thats on HIM.

 

[revenge]

A pint of milk can cost 3 billion Zimbabwe dollars, or about 30 U.S. cents.

Only a simp, kkkracka or FTP would find that shit funny You're probably all 3

 

[silentking]

true indeed, sanctions hurt the people. Thats the whole point of sanctions...squeeze the supply lines til the leadership starts actin right. Not always applied equitably...but a reasonable policy. The problem in a country like Zimbabwe is that Mugabe dont give a fuck about the people. He is tryin to run the shit like it's his and not the people's. He lost the first round of elections and strong armed his way back into office. Check the news and see how many of the opposition supporters got merked. By the thousands, jo. Not for kids. that type of behavior makes regime change (which in my opinion, is a fucked up policy) a more attractive option to the western interests. Niggas continue to set the stage for our own shit gettin fucked, then we mad when NATO or the UN or the US come in and gank the shit. What do you expect when you lootin the government and straight merkin cats? You cant roll like that and not expect to get your head busted.

 

[DaleMabry]

No no NO you dont understand, he's BLACK though

YES SOMEBADDY OONDA-STAND DIS MAH BRUDDAZ!!

 

[shanebp1978]

Mugabe fucked up by not establishing alternate trading partners BEFORE he started to kick out those occupiers, uh I mean "settlers"...........

I smell truth in this statement.

 

[Bahamapimp]

the bottom line is mugabe is fucked which ever way ya put it.. he should have stepped down, took his millions and disappeared.. but no, he fancies himself a king.. now heres the shit.. they gave dat nigga a long ass run.. now the whole world's eye is focused on dat nigga.. he's merked countless muthafuckas, blacks and whites.. and still has the nerve to give da powers dat be da finger..

fuck all the oil retoric.. fuck all dat das africa's problem.. we about to see just what happens to a nigga dat gets outta pocket.. he shoulda stepped down.. cause there is alotta black babies das sufferin' and about to suffer more.. sad but true..

 

[PanzerBob]

the bottom line is mugabe is fucked which ever way ya put it.. he should have stepped down, took his millions and disappeared.. but no, he fancies himself a king.. now heres the shit.. they gave dat nigga a long ass run.. now the whole world's eye is focused on dat nigga.. he's merked countless muthafuckas, blacks and whites.. and still has the nerve to give da powers dat be da finger..

fuck all the oil retoric.. fuck all dat das africa's problem.. we about to see just what happens to a nigga dat gets outta pocket.. he shoulda stepped down.. cause there is alotta black babies das sufferin' and about to suffer more.. sad but true..

Mugabe and his Cronies only care about keeping themselves in power you can bet your ass, they are sitting fat and happy while the rest of the country suffers. Like Rwanda and Sudan to mention a few the West won't do anything meanful until it's to late, and these Nazi bastards know it!!

 

[max-dawg]

Shit is NOT funny homie.........


Do you know what would happen if China converts their US currency reserve to Euro tomorrow morning?



We would be in the same fucking boat..........

and when they do, there will be WW3... cause the nukes will fly.

china might talk big shit, but having billions of people and a huge army means NOTHING when a precision nuke can leave a silo in kansas and land within 15 ft of its target in beijing.



in the meantime, fuck it. just fuck it all.

 

[tdotlocs]

Check your history son.. i agree dat honkies fucked up this part of africa from back in the day.. but dat kat Mugabe has done alotta fucked up shit in his own rite.. he needs to be outta there.. i look to a coup soon to over throw his ass any day now.. but check da movie "LAMUMBA".. it mite shed lite on your thinking.. i don't see war as eminent doe.. assassination maybe, mugabe done pissed off alot rich crakkkas.. if he fucks with the oil, he's toast for real..

He's need out but not to the MDC who will only sell out all of Southern Africa. He needs to give the reigns to one of his Vice Presidents and retire

 

[water]

true indeed, sanctions hurt the people. Thats the whole point of sanctions...squeeze the supply lines til the leadership starts actin right. Not always applied equitably...but a reasonable policy. The problem in a country like Zimbabwe is that Mugabe dont give a fuck about the people. He is tryin to run the shit like it's his and not the people's. He lost the first round of elections and strong armed his way back into office. Check the news and see how many of the opposition supporters got merked. By the thousands, jo. Not for kids. that type of behavior makes regime change (which in my opinion, is a fucked up policy) a more attractive option to the western interests. Niggas continue to set the stage for our own shit gettin fucked, then we mad when NATO or the UN or the US come in and gank the shit. What do you expect when you lootin the government and straight merkin cats? You cant roll like that and not expect to get your head busted.

Which news?????


The same media that created the war in Iraq???

We are falling for the same shit. The media said 70 supporters, where did you get thousands?

There is violence on both sides......... it's a fucking election. Ask Jamaicans if there is ever violence on one side during elections.

Check the opposition leader's movements. He does NOT want to share power either.


He wants to fuck up Mugabe, this one is personal to him because he has been exposed.

There was an election in March. Do you know that there were 3 candidates? How come we don't here from the third, Simba Makoni?

Tsvangirai won 47.9% and Mugabe won 43.2%

Therefore close to half of the population wants Mugabe, is that dictatorship?



Now there was voter intimidation etc but can we say that doesn't exist in the US too when it comes to suppressing the black vote?

Students Arrested Protesting President Bush's Re-election About 250 Bard College students protested the presidential election results on Friday claiming George Bush was not the legitimate winner.
The protesters marched from campus to the center of the Hudson Valley village of Red Hook and blocked traffic at by staging a 45-minute sit-in:

“George Bush is not our president, and we reject him as our president,” protester Gabe Rey-Goodlatt said. “He’s a non-elected president who stole the election again in 2004.”
​

http://www.command-post.org/2004/2_archives/017320.html




Why the special emphasis on Zimbabwe?

Why not China?

Why not Saudi Arabia?





the Saudi government is the ninth most authoritarian regime in the world. There are no recognized political parties or national elections, except the local elections which were held in the year 2005 when participation was reserved for male citizens only.[8]

 

[Marculo]

I don't understand why we always cry racism when a brother is obviously fucking up! If he had something white people wanted he'd be dead by now. But good for him, he doesn't have shit!

But yeah 3 billion for milk is bullshit! And that's not some white man's fault! Why would a motherfucker of any race help you fuck your people?

The thing I hate the most is black people are always shitting on our own. It's though self hatred is so strong we have to murder, rape, and torture our own just to show white people we're powerful too!

You know if he was the president of England or Germany, he'd really be dead now! People just don't get it! A black life ain't worth shit! And if you're a black woman, you're life really ain't worth shit! Ask those motherfuckers that acquitted R Kelly! If he was fucking little white girls, you think niggas would have been partying for his ass or visiting him in lock up right now because he got 50 years with no probation.

Brothers need to wise up! We're always pointing the finger at the white man but we do more to destroy ourselves than any white man.

 

[water]

I don't understand why we always cry racism when a brother is obviously fucking up! If he had something white people wanted he'd be dead by now. But good for him, he doesn't have shit!

Coalbed methane is a form of natural gas extracted from coal beds.

In recent decades it has become an important source of energy in United States, Canada, and other countries.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coalbed_methane




Zimbabwe

The country has immense potential for growth given the huge natural resource base, a highly educated and skilled workforce and access to regional markets. Recently the country discovered huge deposits of platinum. Platinum mining and processing will be an addition to the already vibrant mining sector.​

The country is endowed with a wide range of mineral resources including gold, nickel, diamonds, iron ore, copper and coal bed methane.

Zimbabwe’s coal bed methane is the largest known reserve in Sub-Saharan Africa.

At current levels of extraction, the country can continue to mine coal for a period of up to 5,500 years.

http://www.sadcreview.com/country_profiles/zimbabwe/zimbabwe.htm

 

[DaleMabry]

Your whole argument can be refuted by Two Wrongs Dont Make a Right, Kaya.

I dont give a fuck about nationalist philosophy when a leader is violently quelling opposition while his people are starving and suffering.

I dont like how Castro treats political dissent either, but at least he gives his people stability, a small degree of freedom and the best health care and education in the third world. Mugabe cant even say that.

For me, saying "Oh yeah?! Well look at the West! They're not blameless!" is completely irrelevant.

If anything pointing out the wealth and resources the West is looking to jack Zimbabwe for makes Mugabe MORE reprehensible, because he is giving the West all the reason in the world to come kick his black ass to the curb and install a puppet regime. Damn man, Africa can be so heartbreaking.

 

[TEN]

at last someone does something!

 

[56k]

German firm halts bank note sales to Mugabe regime


By MATT MOORE, AP Business WriterTue Jul 1, 4:30 PM ET


A German company that has been supplying paper used by Zimbabwe's central bank to print bank notes said Tuesday it is stopping shipments immediately at the request of Germany's government.


The move could be a new problem for the regime of President Robert Mugabe, which has been churning out currency amid skyrocketing inflation that forces Zimbabweans to shop with bundles of cash. A pint of milk can cost 3 billion Zimbabwe dollars, or about 30 U.S. cents.


Giesecke & Devrient GmbH of Munich said it would stop delivering bank note paper to the Reserve Bank of Zimbabwe "with immediate effect." It said the decision came in response to an official request from the German government and calls for international sanctions by the European Union and United Nations.


"Our decision is a reaction to the political tension in Zimbabwe, which is mounting significantly rather than easing as expected, and takes account of the critical evaluation by the international community, German government and general public," chief executive Karsten Ottenberg said in a statement.


Zimbabwe's currency needs have spiraled upward as a shattered economy spurs overheated inflation.



Prices rose 165,000 percent in February, according to government figures, but independent experts say the real inflation rate is closer to 4 million percent.


Mugabe, who was sworn in as president for a sixth term Sunday after a widely discredited runoff election, was once hailed for leading Zimbabwe's independence fight.



But he has grown increasingly unpopular for land seizures and other economic policies (not sanctions right?) that wrecked the country's once-vibrant agriculture sector.


http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080701/ap_on_re_af/germany_zimbabwe







They don't give a fuck if people starve to death and then they come running with the fake outrage the following week.

The African union better step up and back Zim on this one.

The fact is that if you don't get your shit together on your own, you will always be susceptible to these European bastards...........


Fuck Germany.......

Nigeria needs to turn off that oil pipe, Sudan needs to turn off that oil pipe, Equatorial Guinea needs to turn off that oil pipe.........

China is one of our biggest trading partners and they are communist, so what is the fucking problem???

YOUR WHOLE ARGUMENT IS RIDICULOUS! SHIT MUGABE CHURNS OUT MONEY LIKE IT'S WATER THAT SHIT DOESN'T HAVE ANY VALUE ANYWAY SO WHAT THE FUCK DOES IT MATTER. HELL MUGABE COULD GET A TRUCK LOAD OF COPY PAPER FROM WAL-MART AND PRINT THAT WORTHLESS SHIT.

AND MOTHER FUCKERS ARE ALREADY STARVING BECAUSE OF MUGABE.

YOU WANTED EUROPE OUT OF ZIMBABWE?!? THEY'RE GETTING, OUT CAN'T HAVE YOUR CAKE AND EAT IT TO.

 

[Leeeeeee]

Tsvangirai won 47.9% and Mugabe won 43.2%

Therefore close to half of the population wants Mugabe, is that dictatorship?

Of course it is a dictatorship. What does the percentage of people who voted for him have to do with whether it is a dictatorship?

Find the cruelest dictator you can imagine and they will have support. Dictators pass out favors, i.e. money, to their friends and family, so even the cruelest dictators have supporters.

By your own words he lost the election.

So why is he still there? Because he controls the military. He is willing to use military force against his own people to secure an office that his own people voted him out of.

Through the military, he wields absolute power, and that by definition, my friend, is a dictator.

 

[56k]

ON THE REAL KANYA, YOU'RE SOO PRO-BLACK AND PRO-AFRICAN THAT YOU CAN'T SEE THE FOREST FOR THE TREES. DON'T GET ME WRONG I LOVE MY PEOPLE AND MY ORIGINS BUT NO ONE IS PERFECT.

IT'S LIKE MUGABE COULD ASS RAPE YOUR GRANDMOTHER AND YOU WOULDN'T SEE THE WRONG IN IT.

A COUPLE OF POSTS BACK YOU ARGUED ABOUT THE INDEPENDENCE OF AFRICA AS A CONTINENT NOW YOU'RE PISSED BECAUSE GERMANY WANTS TO STOP DELIVERING PAPER FOR ZIMBABWE TO PRINT MONEY. WHERE IS THE LOGIC IN THAT?

OUT OR IN, MAKE UP YOUR MIND.

NO ONE IS PERFECT BUT IT'S LIKE YOU DON'T SEE ANY WRONG. WHEN IT CAME TO MY BROTHER'S AND MY BEHAVIOR AT SCHOOL MY MOTHER WAS NEVER QUICK TO BELIEVE WHAT I SAID OVER A TEACHER UNLIKE SOME PARENTS WHO FELT THEIR CHILDREN COULD DO NO WRONG. SHE TOLD ME "I DON'T KNOW WHAT YOU DO WHEN MY BACK IS TURNED!" SHE WAS RIGHT. SO SHE USUALLY WAITED TO GET THE FULL STORY FROM MY TEACHER AND THEN ME (I COULDN'T LIE TO MY MOTHER) SO OF COURSE I GOT MY ASS WHOOPED.

KNOWING YOUR HISTORY IS GOOD BEING POLITICALLY AWARE AND ACTIVE EXCELLENT, BUT NO ONE I MEAN NO ONE IS PERFECT.

 

[Jackdarippa]

Mugabe is a fucking idiot. He fucked up the econoy and still wants to hold on to power regardless of what the people want. He may just have to be taken out.