While we're at it, maybe she can help us keep him away but I doubt it. Trump would still coast it solo first lady or not, because he's power hungry.
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Nah. Single Trump would be way more dangerous. You think the fragile white male ego fantasizing about being him was bad? Imagine the fragile white female ego fantasizing about being with him getting a spark lit under them. And yes, I realize how disgusting I think that is, but that's never stopped white people before.
And no, Melania wouldn't snitch on Trump, either. Because at the end of the day, the clout and the power matter more than being petty. That's just how it is.
First of all, this has been an enjoyable discussion...
I agree with alotta what you posted here.
The thing is, I NEVER said he wasn't a conman or he was smart...
And btw, when the State of NY FORCES you to disband your charity, and fines you $25 million dollars and says you can never have one again....you're a con man....and your school, too.
In my original post, I said he was a MASTER of propaganda. He is and I stand by it.
I think that people read that and see praise...when in fact its true. And @knightmelodic made me realize he was even more dangerous than I thought.
The Cohn connection is KEY. He was J Edgar's pitbull. I forgot ALLLL about how he schooled trump.
I ENCOURAGE my ideas to be questioned...hearing different view points is good.
But, debate me on what I said.
To master something means he is good at a skill. That's neither good nor bad, it's an assessment.
For his administration, trump LITERALLY had state sponsored TV vis a vis Faux news.
We've never had anything close to that type of behavior with a president and a blindly loyal news outlet....
and if you didn't report THEIR version of a story, you were FAKE NEWS..
His press secretaries lied at such a rate, that they could only perform the job so long, before they burned out from constantly appearing in front of the people with..
ALTERNATIVE FACTS (that's called propaganda, my brothers)
He got MILLIONS of dollars of free airtime... usually saying ....nothing
And it got to the point, where the TV networks finally shut his broadcasts down, when it was evident, that he was spreading misinformation about Covid.
It took the death of thousands of Americans, BEFORE the media finally said... enough and pulled the plug on his daily briefings...only reporting when there was something new.
That mofo was using Covid briefings as campaign time...don't forget.
Like I said..we actually agree on most points you raised. You just read a whole lot more into my statements, than I actually said.
One of my neighbors has one of them signs - their kids are paying for it, no one is allowing their kids to play with them.
This is the type of mentality that a lame uses in the bar when he buys a woman a drink, and he thinks he owns her now. I work with Jews, I'm friends with Jews...they don't give a single fuck about the embassy being moved. They do care about racism, and the shitty handling of covid.
people that WANT to eat it up though.
brash and smart aren't synonyms.
Trump as a political phenomenon doesn't happen without leagues of racists and extreme right wingers waiting for someone they could rally behind with effectiveness. Nor does he happen without Russian interests finally figuring out how to exploit America's Achilles heel, which has always been racism.
Trump is a willing idiot propelled by interests infinitely smarter than him to a position supported by people that always felt how they feel now.
I mean his lies aren't even good lies lol white supremacy has always depended on its participants denial that it exists. It's just a bunch of evil muhfuckas that know what they're doing and finally found a muhfucka they could create a cult of personality around and use to their own ends.
Trump exists because at the end of the Civil War, we didn't do what the Germans did to nazis.
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He says a lot of open ended, extremely vague comments and let's the cult fill in the rest. The fucked up thing is, none of these followers would accept these types of statements if their wife or husband or kids didn't come home for three days.
I think if Biden made that same phone call, we'd be talking about it
That dude pays Latino trannies to blow his o-ring out at least twice a year
Please stop debating things I'm not saying.
A person can be a master of karate....doesn't mean he's smart. It just means he's good at THAT ONE THING.
Trump is great at manipulating the media..doesn't mean he's smart...doesn't mean he's not being manipulated by much higher powers HIMSELF (I'm positive he is) ...I'm not so sure he's totally willing either.
All the other stuff...I've said the same, several times over the last 5 years.
As far as your last line about the Civil War, I don't wanna guess what you're saying...
Please clarify..
The only reason Trump keeps becoming a topic is because he keeps saying and doing dumb shit publicly.
Not tipping over a bike with training wheels on it does not make one a master cyclist. To assert his mastery of propaganda implies an acute strategic grasp that is akin to intellect. The fact that you have to keep saying that's not what you meant is probably an indicator that you didn't communicate your idea very well in your thesis statement.
When WWII ended, Germany jailed and killed every nazi they could get their hands on in a sincere effort to eradicate them to the root.
We did not do the same because of how deep racist and sympathetic interests ran/still run in this country, and it allowed for confederate ideologies and those who hold them to regroup and infiltrate American society at enough levels to eventually yield the bullshit we are dealing with today.
Trump exists because at the end of the Civil War, we didn't do what the Germans did to nazis
Interesting concept...I'ma try to guess what you're saying...
If you mean, make sure those in charge of the Confederacy were stripped of power, prolly wasn't gonna happen. The war would've gone on longer. Lincoln tried not to punish the South.
He also didn't love blacks. He said so.. and he CERTAINLY wasn't gonna give us a leg up in the South....the war was over but not racism.
If you mean...shame the racist confederates, the way Nazism was shamed for years..
THAT might've been one of the most effective ways to START fighting racism... we'd have had a 150 year head start on the problems we're JUST starting to deal with.
If you mean...allow gangsta corporations come in and scoop up the head scientists and doctors doing eugenics experiments on people ...wellllll ... We're guilty of that.
The Germans might've done more to the Nazis, but we got the ones we wanted out and I'm sure turned a blind eye to others' escape.
Interesting concept...I'ma try to guess what you're saying...
If you mean, make sure those in charge of the Confederacy were stripped of power, prolly wasn't gonna happen. The war would've gone on longer. Lincoln tried not to punish the South.
He also didn't love blacks. He said so.. and he CERTAINLY wasn't gonna give us a leg up in the South....the war was over but not racism.
If you mean...shame the racist confederates, the way Nazism was shamed for years..
THAT might've been one of the most effective ways to START fighting racism... we'd have had a 150 year head start on the problems we're JUST starting to deal with.
If you mean...allow gangsta corporations come in and scoop up the head scientists and doctors doing eugenics experiments on people ...wellllll ... We're guilty of that.
The Germans might've done more to the Nazis, but we got the ones we wanted out and I'm sure turned a blind eye to others' escape.
I explained what I meant right after you asked me to so you wouldn't have to guess lol so I'm not sure what to do with this.
Check my response to the original question above I guess?
I actually knew where you were going in your statement, I just wanted to be sure...started writing it before you answered.
And yes, Germany handled their Nazis better, but they didn't have to deal with racism...and there's NO WAY white people here were gonna go around killing other white people. They just started Jim Crow and made slavery-lite.
Whether trained and coached by the Russians or his mentor, no other politician in this country has ever manipulated the media in the same way.
Alternative Facts and Fake News are right out of George Orwell...
Knowing he was mentored by Roy Cohn lets me know that he'll do it say anything.
That mofo and his Red Scare divided the country EXACTLY same way it is now.
He INVENTED cancel culture!
In the 50s, just the accusation that you might be a commie was enough to ruin your career...and he ruined many people with it.
Ironic how it's come full circle ...
Then it was over communism. Now it's over racism.
Same playbook, bruh...just updated
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It also confirms that nothing is done because it is right or wrong..It is done to pander for votes
Germany didn't have to deal with racism? If you are saying that it wasn't that because it was jews, we're gonna have to agree to disagree. That's a hair I won't split.
Second, the Civil War was damn near all white people killing white people so I'm a little unclear on what you're trying to say here. I guess you're saying that the social and political will to punish confederate traitors with death did not exist...which is exactly what I said so I'm a bit lost.
Third, I didn't mean he was trained or coached by Russians as much as exploited by them. I'll call him what they call him, a useful idiot. Nothing more. The media was manipulated THROUGH Trump much more than BY Trump, that's where I'm disagreeing with you.
All these takes that frame Trump as a political strategist are always funny to me because they all miss the entire crux of his existence.
The man is a lying cheat who does whatever he can to escape accountability for lying and cheating.
EVERYTHING Trump has done has been to keep from paying debts. Every. Single. Thing.
People smarter than him and richer than him plugged him into a system to achieve their own ends.
Goebbes the nigga is not.
I guess we'll just disagree on how he was a master, then.First of all, this has been an enjoyable discussion...
I agree with alotta what you posted here.
The thing is, I NEVER said he wasn't a conman or he was smart...
And btw, when the State of NY FORCES you to disband your charity, and fines you $25 million dollars and says you can never have one again....you're a con man....and your school, too.
In my original post, I said he was a MASTER of propaganda. He is and I stand by it.
I think that people read that and see praise...when in fact its true. And @knightmelodic made me realize he was even more dangerous than I thought.
The Cohn connection is KEY. He was J Edgar's pitbull. I forgot ALLLL about how he schooled trump.
I ENCOURAGE my ideas to be questioned...hearing different view points is good.
But, debate me on what I said.
To master something means he is good at a skill. That's neither good nor bad, it's an assessment.
For his administration, trump LITERALLY had state sponsored TV vis a vis Faux news.
We've never had anything close to that type of behavior with a president and a blindly loyal news outlet....
and if you didn't report THEIR version of a story, you were FAKE NEWS..
His press secretaries lied at such a rate, that they could only perform the job so long, before they burned out from constantly appearing in front of the people with..
ALTERNATIVE FACTS (that's called propaganda, my brothers)
He got MILLIONS of dollars of free airtime... usually saying ....nothing
And it got to the point, where the TV networks finally shut his broadcasts down, when it was evident, that he was spreading misinformation about Covid.
It took the death of thousands of Americans, BEFORE the media finally said... enough and pulled the plug on his daily briefings...only reporting when there was something new.
That mofo was using Covid briefings as campaign time...don't forget.
Like I said..we actually agree on most points you raised. You just read a whole lot more into my statements, than I actually said.
Like I pointed out, Trump didn't "master" any of those things. He was led, pretty much by the nose, into a position of authority. Then he was guarded in that position by people who were actually more duplicitous than him and people too ignorant or too afraid to realize standing up to him was the right move.
If Trump were smart enough to run his hustle game properly, he'd still be in office.
Case in point: Trump taking over those press conferences is what fucked him. If he had just let Pence run point on the pandemic, do what the medical experts were suggesting, and kept his mouth shut, Trump would probably still be in office now. He could've touted his pandemic response (which he still did, but it was mostly lies), and hailed Pence as a true leader and hero of the people. But Trump's ego wouldn't let that happen. As soon as he realized that Pence and Fauci were getting headlines and he wasn't, he had to drop in and make an appearance. And as soon as he got a reaction to that, it's all he wanted to do.
And that's just the biggest example of what I'm saying : Trump consistently shot himself in the foot when it came to anything, simply because he didn't know how to shut up and take a hit. If it were not for possibly the most well laid down and formulated web of corruption and misinformation ever built covering his ass, Trump would have been done a dozen times over.
Now Mitch McConnell... if you want to call him a master manipulator, I'll accept that argument. He did more and worked more angles than Trump ever did. Hell, he's single-handedly responsible for most of the shit that Trump and co. takes credit for. And what's more, he's faced zero consequences for it, and likely won't when it's all said and done.
Yes, Trump is good at thuggery. But his results are a byproduct of the work of others, not himself. Which is probably why he had any "success" at all. We see what happened to all of his other personal attempts at it.
Indeed,
If Trump were truly smart he would've governed more from the middle. He would have been more Nuanced in his political strategy. Instead, he beat the same drum and catered to the same lunatic fringe. He never truly acknowledged that he lost the popular vote. If he had he would have governed more from the middle. He doesn't understand politics, government, foreign policy, science, history, business, sesame street, etc... He's an Idiot DeLuxe. A fool of Astronomical proportions. A pathetic example of a petty criminal allowed to run amok in the highest office in the land. If he had the brainpower of the average cum stain he could have won last year. The Corona Virus was a gift from the Fates. If Trump had acted responsibly by masking and encouraging lockdowns and caution and rendered aid where it was needed he could've run on that alone. If he had treated the Virus as an invader and presented our efforts as a war it would have been almost impossible to beat him because Americans just aren't that smart. Imagine if just half as many people died in this country by last November than actually did. He is not smart. He is a master of mediocrity.
Exactly
Let me ask y'all...when have we ever had anything remotely similar to Faux news' ...or any major network pushing obvious admin BS? That's propaganda
He cultivated that..whether him or his people, same thing.
When have we ever had a president's lies termed Alternative Facts?
When have critics been called Fake News?
That's the crux of my argument...that's propaganda
the allure of white supremacy maintaining its undeserved & uneven handed grip on power is too intoxicating, even if their opposition is also white ,they prefer a white man who gets their panties wet with the arousal of putin that foot on "those people's" neck publicly, they literally prefer to starve than to see the meal shared equally
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i dont understand how functioning adults cant see it, it was evident even before he won , imagine that !!!
Every so often, it's necessary to go off the board and prove what you're saying...no one should be expected to take anyone's word on an anonymous board..
My throwaway statement about trump's mastery of propaganda, I assumed was common knowledge.
However, much smarter people...who are actually paid to write and analyze such things have said the same thing...over and over.
Thes are just a couple of headlines for articles and one good short read...
Analysis: Trump is a master of language
WILLIAM CUMMINGS | USA TODAY | 3:58 pm EST February 17, 2017
The Kremlin Would Be Proud of Trump’s Propaganda Playbook
The Donald is a master of these four techniques of misinformation.
Propaganda 101: Trump’s Tools of the Trade
By
Jean Godden
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February 14, 2021
1
Image by Tayeb MEZAHDIA from Pixabay
When I was in Communication School at the University of Washington, one of the popular upper-level classes was “Propaganda.” It was the 1970s and Watergate was unraveling. What a time to study propaganda and observe how Richard Nixon and all the president’s men relied on classic techniques. Each classic ploy is bold-faced below.
Those principles had once been employed during the Third Reich by Joseph Goebbel’s Ministry of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda. Goebbels was a master at manipulating peoples’ beliefs and attitudes, making use of symbols, banners, gestures, and clothing. George Orwell revisited those techniques in his dystopian novel “1984. “
Some of those same strategies were replicated in Donald Trump’s takeover of the Republican Party. Foremost in Trump’s recent propaganda offensive was the former president’s heavy reliance on The Big Lie. His months-long insistence that he had won the 2020 presidential election — won “a big beautiful victory in a landslide” — was simply the latest and most outrageous of his many lies.
It was scarcely his only propaganda tool during his four long years in office. He had early proven himself a master at using a Bandwagon strategy, flaunting physical trappings at his rallies: forests of flags, red MAGA hats, and Trump banners. He used not-so-subtle dog whistles to Scapegoat and demonize immigrants, minorities, and Jews. He adamantly refused to disavow his white supremist backers. calling them “good people” after the Unite the Right riot in the Charlottesville, Va. Last September, he told the white supremist Proud Boys to “stand back and stand by.”
Trump’s war with the media copied Goebbel’s characterizing the press as the “Enemy of the People.” He constantly rallied against the “lying press” and “fake news.” At his rallies, he encouraged supporters to physically attack reporters. According to John Bolton, his National Security Adviser, Trump spoke of executing reporters. He refused to pursue reports of Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman’s involvement in the assassination of Washington Post columnist Jamal Kashoggi.
Then there were Trump’s demeaning insults and Name-calling. Women in particular were singled out for rude attacks. He branded women “stupid,” “nasty,” “horse-faced,” and “extremely low IQ.” He used simple slogans like “Stop the Steal” and made use of Repetition, repeating the words over and over.
He used Fear tactics — “they’re coming for your guns” and “you’re not going to have a country anymore.” Trump allied himself with his supporters, as if he were Plain Folks. He told supporters at his January 6 rally, “You’re the real people.” His slogans and speeches relied on simplistic themes, not above the heads of the least intelligent.
He Stacked the Cards, claiming that marching to the Capitol was the only option. He urged supporters to take action, “fight like hell” and target elected representatives.
Trump at last has left the White House, finally been silenced on Twitter, and impeached for a second time. With the rightful winner now in the White House, it’s tragic that Trump continues to command the allegiance of so many in the Republican Party.
For those who want to leave the propaganda years behind us, there is comfort in the return to democratic values under the new administration. And although GOP senators seem unlikely to convict Trump in a second trial, there’s hope that communications scholars now will study, name, and expose the propaganda techniques Trump used and we’ll be able to avoid repetition by some other demagogue in the future.
By the way, not that it matters, that long-ago Propaganda class at the UW’s Communication School isn’t being offered today. Fortunately, they’re still studying those techniques in the political science department.
My throwaway statement about trump's mastery of propaganda, I assumed was common knowledge.
However, much smarter people...who are actually paid to write and analyze such things have said the same thing...over and over.
Thes are just a couple of headlines for articles and one good short read...
Analysis: Trump is a master of language
WILLIAM CUMMINGS | USA TODAY | 3:58 pm EST February 17, 2017
The Kremlin Would Be Proud of Trump’s Propaganda Playbook
The Donald is a master of these four techniques of misinformation.
Propaganda 101: Trump’s Tools of the Trade
By
Jean Godden
-
February 14, 2021
1
Image by Tayeb MEZAHDIA from Pixabay
When I was in Communication School at the University of Washington, one of the popular upper-level classes was “Propaganda.” It was the 1970s and Watergate was unraveling. What a time to study propaganda and observe how Richard Nixon and all the president’s men relied on classic techniques. Each classic ploy is bold-faced below.
Those principles had once been employed during the Third Reich by Joseph Goebbel’s Ministry of Public Enlightenment and Propaganda. Goebbels was a master at manipulating peoples’ beliefs and attitudes, making use of symbols, banners, gestures, and clothing. George Orwell revisited those techniques in his dystopian novel “1984. “
Some of those same strategies were replicated in Donald Trump’s takeover of the Republican Party. Foremost in Trump’s recent propaganda offensive was the former president’s heavy reliance on The Big Lie. His months-long insistence that he had won the 2020 presidential election — won “a big beautiful victory in a landslide” — was simply the latest and most outrageous of his many lies.
It was scarcely his only propaganda tool during his four long years in office. He had early proven himself a master at using a Bandwagon strategy, flaunting physical trappings at his rallies: forests of flags, red MAGA hats, and Trump banners. He used not-so-subtle dog whistles to Scapegoat and demonize immigrants, minorities, and Jews. He adamantly refused to disavow his white supremist backers. calling them “good people” after the Unite the Right riot in the Charlottesville, Va. Last September, he told the white supremist Proud Boys to “stand back and stand by.”
Trump’s war with the media copied Goebbel’s characterizing the press as the “Enemy of the People.” He constantly rallied against the “lying press” and “fake news.” At his rallies, he encouraged supporters to physically attack reporters. According to John Bolton, his National Security Adviser, Trump spoke of executing reporters. He refused to pursue reports of Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman’s involvement in the assassination of Washington Post columnist Jamal Kashoggi.
Then there were Trump’s demeaning insults and Name-calling. Women in particular were singled out for rude attacks. He branded women “stupid,” “nasty,” “horse-faced,” and “extremely low IQ.” He used simple slogans like “Stop the Steal” and made use of Repetition, repeating the words over and over.
He used Fear tactics — “they’re coming for your guns” and “you’re not going to have a country anymore.” Trump allied himself with his supporters, as if he were Plain Folks. He told supporters at his January 6 rally, “You’re the real people.” His slogans and speeches relied on simplistic themes, not above the heads of the least intelligent.
He Stacked the Cards, claiming that marching to the Capitol was the only option. He urged supporters to take action, “fight like hell” and target elected representatives.
Trump at last has left the White House, finally been silenced on Twitter, and impeached for a second time. With the rightful winner now in the White House, it’s tragic that Trump continues to command the allegiance of so many in the Republican Party.
For those who want to leave the propaganda years behind us, there is comfort in the return to democratic values under the new administration. And although GOP senators seem unlikely to convict Trump in a second trial, there’s hope that communications scholars now will study, name, and expose the propaganda techniques Trump used and we’ll be able to avoid repetition by some other demagogue in the future.
By the way, not that it matters, that long-ago Propaganda class at the UW’s Communication School isn’t being offered today. Fortunately, they’re still studying those techniques in the political science department.
ok so my response to these is pretty simple
I do not take it as a given that Trump sat at the head of the marketing table and engineered this strategy, which I think is a precursor required to take this as gospel fact. The more that fact can be born out, the more credit I'll give him. I have not seen sufficient evidence of this.
I also don't think that the USA Today assessment addresses the effect of this country's extreme thirst for racism and the fact that he exploited a population and a particular media outlet who were heavily frontloaded for this kind of responsiveness to a figurehead like him (he didn't exactly turn fox news out, they were racist af for at LEAST the 8 years prior) . MAGAts were not virtuous innocents one day and hypnotized the next; they by and large held racist and fringe beliefs before he arrived.
He reverse windmilled on an 8 foot goal, man.
That USA today article on that nigga jock lol
how is he still able to manipulate for attention? 
Bruh, whether he was at the table or not...and if you've followed anything over the last 5 years, you know trump knows more than anyone in the room...including generals and scientists.
If he didn't make the decision, they tricked him into thinking he did.
But that's neither here nor there. It was HIS platform. You take the credit; you take the blame.
As far as your take on the USA Today...
I could see if it was an obscure blog I had quoted. To de-legitimize a publication...not saying they're perfect, but these are professional journalists.
I'm not a journalist working for a major newspaper. I won't speak for you.
Buy it's kinda like their opinion is read by thousands, vs ours, which is read by a few people here..
It tends to carry more weight.
That's just some, though. But shouldn't be a stretch that there are MANY more articles written and will be written and studied for years to come.
That I'll bet as much as you want.
Not even critics. Playing back something a person said or did isn't fake news, and if it is, there are a lot of people that need to be released from jail for committing crimes on camera and that video being used as evidence.
This is where we differ. I think this speaks more to his being used than being sun tzuBruh, whether he was at the table or not...and if you've followed anything over the last 5 years, you know trump knows more than anyone in the room...including generals and scientists.
If he didn't make the decision, they tricked him into thinking he did.
But that's neither here nor there.
Saying I'm delegitimizing USA Today is hyperbolic and just short of disingenuous. I simply said, of THIS ARTICLE, that I think it falls short of making this case because of the reasons I stated. Absent any analysis by you or them of the reasons I stated, arguing "they right cause they be right" isn't exactly an answer to my reasons for not being in 100% agreement with the article.
come on man.
I was gonna cite several more articles, all from leading publications, but no matter how many I'd cite, I have a feeling you'd find something wrong with them.
There's almost zero chance you had any info on how that article was written...what the author considered, nor did you know his background or anything else relevant... short of you having inside information.
This guy has a body of work, which can be reviewed. Unless you've read something he's written, in the past, which suggests he may have an agenda, YOUR rejection of work on the lone excuse that they may not have been as diligent as you, is
This guy's gets PAID to write about politics...on a newspaper...not on a message board....but I should discount his work..
If I'm wrong PROVE IT and I'll retract.
It's the reason I MADE SURE to include the author, btw
This author's work didn't prove my point...and I'm sure the article from Forbes, NPR, The Independent, Us News, and about a dozen more articles don't either.
I'll offer you a challenge.
Dollar for dollar...
For every legit publication I can show talk about what I proposed...
You match me... you find where an author who says he's NOT a master of propaganda.
We can make a bet on it as well.
I'll bet $100 you can't find more articles that dispute my contention....
In the end, I'm ok if my views are different, but when it comes down to me listening to an anonymous name on a forum vs believing my gut and dozens of paid journalists...
I think the dozens of articles ALREADY WRITTEN cosign my position just fine.
U be killin me
Lmaooooo
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