‘Black Panther’ Is Not the Movie We Deserve (Colin Warning..No Porn)

[geechiedan]

Like I said before Killmonger was a great allegory for the black american compared to West/central africans that could have used as a symbol for finding a way to bridge the gap between us. Killing him off means there is no way for black americans and africans to ever unite/reunite. It kinda goes into what I was saying in another thread about how Africans aren't black as black and white are western european concepts that don't apply to africans in the way it applies to the american descendants of the african slaves. Because most of us don't know the particulars of our african heritage beyond the most general knowledge of you came from this continent (hence the generalized term AFRICAN-american rather than say Nigerian-american or Ghanian-american and you can break it down even further from there) therefore we're stuck with a skin color designation of black..and we've been building a culture and heritage from that.

T'challa isn't black...he's wakandan and actually erik isn't black either as he knows where he comes from and what his heritage was but he rejected it because they rejected him and therefore he becomes "black" by default. Hes a cipher for black americans. I would have liked to have seen the guy show up in later movies start some shit or take a pot shot and then have that big show down where in the end he and t'challa find a way to reunite and that symbolically shows us that MAYBE the black americans and west africans can find a way to come together.

Killing him off kills all of that potential.

Peace,



This was my problem with it as well. The author keeps hammering home the misconception that Killmonger is simply an elite thug, despite the extraordinary and meticulous planning he does. Shit is just wrong.

Most of the other arguments are compelling though.

it was about how short sighted killmongers plan really was. For all of his 'I studied the enemy" talk dude completely underestimates just how fiendish, vicious and warlike cacs really are followed closely by chinks and japs. And they have a 500 year head start in that shit. And even tho only wakandan vibranium can be used to make those weapons...his shipping them abroad effectively makes wakanda a terrorist state and the whole world would have moved in on that shit. It would have been used as excuse for europe, america and asia (with the help of most of africa) to carve up that country and divide its resources among themselves....again there was a reason why they hid the fucking country. Considering erik didn't have 100 percent cooperation from assets abroad was proof the plan would be doomed to fail.

Rather than wakanda taking over the world...their very existence was at stake by that move. That really wasn't properly addressed in the story.

 

[exiledking]

Peace,



Killmonger was designed to be the complete antithesis of Wakandan royalty, right down to his brevity and speech (which was abrupt and riddled with slang). I think a lot of people are missing that.

I think thats what you think and of course a lot of people are gonna agree with you and a lot of people won't. Doesn't mean they're "missing" it. means they have a different perspective. and even if the person who wrote it thought that, once you make a piece of art and put it out there, people are gonna interpret it. That's why there are so many customs and traditions Amongst people on the same planet , breathing the same oxygen.

Any piece of art that brings upthis much discussion , I'd say that's a pretty good price of art.

 

[exiledking]

Like I said before Killmonger was a great allegory for the black american compared to West/central africans that could have used as a symbol for finding a way to bridge the gap between us. Killing him off means there is no way for black americans and africans to ever unite/reunite. It kinda goes into what I was saying in another thread about how Africans aren't black as black and white are western european concepts that don't apply to africans in the way it applies to the american descendants of the african slaves. Because most of us don't know the particulars of our african heritage beyond the most general knowledge of you came from this continent (hence the generalized term AFRICAN-american rather than say Nigerian-american or Ghanian-american and you can break it down even further from there) therefore we're stuck with a skin color designation of black..and we've been building a culture and heritage from that.
symbolically shows us that MAYBE the black americans and west africans can find a way to come together.

I like that. If it weren't attached to the comic book, I think that could have gone in that direction. I didn't assume he was dead but now that I know that doesn't really fit in the marvel universe I just let it go.

This film allowed for this kind of topic to be mainstream. I care more about what it did for the mentality of black people than white people. In this very board, every time something like this was brought up, all you hear is "THEY ain't gonna let you do that!". Well now it's done. So people can stfu and just go do it.


Stories outside of that universe can be free to do whatever they want and make up their own world of options. This is a tipping point.

 

[peterlongshort]

These contrarian think pieces are getting tiring

They be reaching like a muthafucka. If it takes you 30 pages to make your point it's prolly some bullshit.

 

[g0nbad real bad]

Loki is a God otherwise Thor would have killed him it wasn't for lack of trying. Killmonger was offered treatment but turned it down. The same way Loki let go of Thors hand he didn't know he would survive .

 

[trstar]

Don't read em then. Simple.

I’m open to ideas I may overlooked, especially in the Marvel comic world. But the obvious discussions of Malcolm v. Martin, Africans v. Akatas, ain’t that deep.

 

[Bullet]

Where the fuck was this review for 12 yrs Slave? The movie was true to its source material so read the comic then get back with us. Somebody gotta always be that nigga.

 

[peterlongshort]

Where the fuck was this review for 12 yrs Slave? The movie was true to its source material so read the comic then get back with us. Somebody gotta always be that nigga.

Best believe when Disney unveil that "Wakanda" attraction at Disney World cats gonna be writing whole novels about how it's bad for black people somewhere.... "They Charge too much" "Black people should go for free" "It's on the wrong side of the park facing the sun"

 

[exiledking]

Where the fuck was this review for 12 yrs Slave? The movie was true to its source material so read the comic then get back with us. Somebody gotta always be that nigga.

There were reviews of 12 years a slave. Tons of em. Negative ones and positive ones. What are you talking about?

 

[wadusay]

 

[Hey Julian!]

This is the type of drivel you get when you put ridiculous expectations on a movie simply based on a fucking comic book. Now, this simple comic book movie not only to be the best movie ever, but it has to save Black people. Over-thinking-ass-smart-dumb niccas.

 

[geechiedan]

actually when you think about it erik choosing to die because he thought he would be imprisoned is wrong since he did nothing illegal. Everything he did was within wakandan law as a challenge to the throne and as king. (that would be a not quite right) the fact that t'challa allowed him to choose to die rather than trying to reconcile with him is a huge issue.

 

[stretchwallz]

This la la land bullshit has to stop!!

Some of the people wont be happy until this comes out next Easter

 

[Mask]

Damn kats Cant just enjoy a fucking movie and keep it moving? Old coworker on facebook talking about it had to much Black on Black crime...i deleted her. Multiple people talking about i hope yall go vote like yall went to see this movie.....like WTF...

Please ask them who to vote for

 

[Mask]

actually when you think about it erik choosing to die because he thought he would be imprisoned is wrong since he did nothing illegal. Everything he did was within wakandan law as a challenge to the throne and as king. (that would be a not quite right) the fact that t'challa allowed him to choose to die rather than trying to reconcile with him is a huge issue.

Shit I don't think he's dead but that just me

 

[Mask]

As I must say this is a great thread, my reasoning for saying this don't have anything to do with BP, but just us dark tinted folks.

 

[Mask]

Y'all just know there's probably some type of movie coming that will answer y'all question and tackle the problems/issues y'all have....

 

[spider705]

I'll never understand why someone will see a thread topic that they don't want to discuss, open that thread, and then post how they don't want to discuss this particular topic.

Nigga, fuck off...

 

[grownazzblakman]

Where to even begin.

From the Article......

"Wakanda is a fictional nation in Africa, a marvel beyond all marvels. Its stupendous wealth and technological advancement reaches beyond anything the folks in MIT’s labs could dream of. The source of all this wonder is vibranium, a substance miraculous in ways that the movie does not bother to explain."

Umm yeah... When the Avengers movie came out in 2012, I bet he never asked... "How does Loki control people's minds WITH HIS STAFF?"

Especially during the scene when the Avengers are ACTUALLY DISCUSSING IT.

Steve Rogers says: "Let's start with that stick of his. It may be magical, but it works an awful lot like a Hydra weapon."

Nick Fury replies: "I don't know about that, but it is powered by the cube. And I'd like to know how Loki used it to turn two of the sharpest men I know into his personal flying monkeys."



Umm ok. The Author needs a deep 'explanation' for 'how Vibranium works'.... but I bet he never needed any 'explanation' for 'how Loki's staff works'.

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"We learn that N’Jobu was sent to the United States as one of Wakanda’s War Dogs, a division of spies that the reclusive nation dispatches to keep tabs on a world it refuses to engage. This is precisely N’Jobu’s problem. In the United States, he learns of the racism black Americans face, including mass incarceration and police brutality. He soon understands that his people have the power to help all black people, and he plots to develop weapons using vibranium to even the odds for black Americans. This is radical stuff; the Black Panthers (the political party, that is) taken to a level of potentially revolutionary efficacy. T’Chaka, however, insists N’Jobu has betrayed the people of Wakanda. He has no intention of helping any black people anywhere; for him and most Wakandans, it is Wakanda First."

N’Jobu was ONLY sent to America to 'Watch & Report Back'.
He was never sent to 'Intervene & Take matters into his own hands'.

Intervening causes 'unwanted conflict' & changes the whole geopolitical climate in other countries, which could EASILY start a War with Wakanda. And Starting a War forces his King 'to make decisions' that he never even INTENDED.

Military Spies cannot just run around 'destabilizing' other countries WITHOUT 'clear authorization' from their Commander. (e.g. That's what 'Rogue Agents' do.)

If all the War Dogs 'went rogue' and intervened in every country around the world... there's no guarantee that after all the Black folks in Harlem, France, Amsterdam, London, Brazil, Australia, Japan (and all points in-between) finally 'liberated themselves' they would instantly be 'loyal to Wakanda'. Cuz if not, then what??

So yeah, N’Jobu DID betray 'the direct orders' of his Leader, who represents the people of Wakanda.

Not very hard to understand. Its not Rocket Science.

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"Killmonger decisively defeats T’Challa and moves to ship weapons globally to start the revolution. In the course of Killmonger’s swift rise to power, however, Coogler muddies his motivation. Killmonger is the revolutionary willing to take what he wants by any means necessary, but he lacks any coherent political philosophy. Rather than the enlightened radical, he comes across as the black thug from Oakland hell bent on killing for killing’s sake—indeed, his body is marked with a scar for every kill he has made. The abundant evidence of his efficacy does not establish Killmonger as a hero or villain so much as a receptacle for tropes of inner-city gangsterism."

Wait. what? Cmon Son.

How many COMIC BOOK MOVIE VILLAINS............................................... have a 'Coherent Political Philosophy'?
Comic Book Movie Villains just... WANT TO RULE... the town, or the country, or the planet, or the universe.

That's ALWAYS their 'end game'. (With, or without a 'coherent political philosophy'. )
And Killmonger is no different.

In Watchmen... Ozymandias wanted 'world peace'.... because he wanted to RULE A PEACEFUL PLANET.
He even had a statue with an engraving that reads: "My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings..."

Umm yeah... I'm sure he wrote 'King of Kings' on it... because he just wanted everyone to notice his Coherent Political Philosophy... then go back home, drink a few beers & watch Netflix.




In the 1st Avengers movie... Loki wanted to RULE THE EARTH.... since he failed miserably at trying to RULE ASGARD in the 1st Thor movie.




In the most recent Superman movie... General Zod wanted to destroy Planet Earth... so he could RULE A NEW VERSION OF KRYPTON.




In Avengers 2... Ultron wanted to 'exterminate all humans'... so he could RULE A PLANET FILLED WITH HIS CLONES.




In Wonder Woman... Ares wanted to destroy mankind... so he could REBUILD THE WORLD & RULE A PARADISE.




In The Dark Knight... The Joker sent a message to all the Mobsters, Cops & even Batman himself... that he wanted to RULE GOTHAM.




I could go on.

This Author is yet another person who cannot SEPARATE his 'Politics'... from a 'Fictional Comic Book Script'.

 

[ViCiouS]

actually when you think about it erik choosing to die because he thought he would be imprisoned is wrong since he did nothing illegal. Everything he did was within wakandan law as a challenge to the throne and as king. (that would be a not quite right) the fact that t'challa allowed him to choose to die rather than trying to reconcile with him is a huge issue.

nah - bro...
the challenge never ended - it only ends by death or surrender
T'Challa offered to heal him, but it would mean Killmonger conceded the contest, instead Killmonger chose death
Yes he assumed he would be a confined but even if T'Challa promised otherwise - Erik wasn't going to surrender the contest and swear fealty

remember M'Baku's challenge

 

[geechiedan]

nah - bro...
the challenge never ended - it only ends by death or surrender
T'Challa offered to heal him, but it would mean Killmonger conceded the contest, instead Killmonger chose death
Yes he assumed he would be a confined but even if T'Challa promised otherwise - Erik wasn't going to surrender the contest and swear fealty

remember M'Baku's challenge

Then they should have had him say as much. Erik rejected wakanda because they abandoned him. He CHOSE to be black rather than wakandan ("bury me like my ancestors, in the ocean".... ummm his ancestors were never slaves) For all the great things Coogler did with the story and the many REAL issues he addressed. I think he missed an opportunity to have an ongoing discussion of the issue of lost heritage and reconciliation that T'Challa and N'Jadaka could have had franchise wide. Posting a Wakandan outreach program in oakland is a good start but theres alot of deeper issues between Africans and African AMERICANS that could have played out between the two over time.

 

[Chitownheadbusa]

These contrarian think pieces are getting tiring

Mofos be putting too much thought into shit that doesnt need too much thought put into it.

One thing I will say, because of all the racial stuff thats been going on since 2008, imho, Marvel got in on the "race hustle". Mostly Black cast during Black History month. Great marketing! The hustle was just well hidden from most because the product was good & because of some "other stuff". Also, this movie was SAFE; cause most looked at it like it was some made up/comic book shit, like a lot of other Marvel movies.

 

[grownazzblakman]

Then they should have had him say as much. Erik rejected wakanda because they abandoned him. He CHOSE to be black rather than wakandan ("bury me like my ancestors, in the ocean".... ummm his ancestors were never slaves) For all the great things Coogler did with the story and the many REAL issues he addressed. I think he missed an opportunity to have an ongoing discussion of the issue of lost heritage and reconciliation that T'Challa and N'Jadaka could have had franchise wide. Posting a Wakandan outreach program in oakland is a good start but theres alot of deeper issues between Africans and African AMERICANS that could have played out between the two over time.

An ongoing discussion about lost heritage? And reconciliation?

C'mon man.

It's a... Disney. Comic. Book. Movie. (Not the PBS channel. Or a documentary. )
They trying to 'sell tickets', bruh... and merchandise/cool toys... and popcorn... to adults & kids.

I think your expectations for 'deep-dive ongoing dialogue' are a bit too high... especially for a Disney movie. Just saying.

In order to do something like that... they would have to make it a multi-episode DRAMATIC series. On HBO.

 

[richminded]

Dope write up

 

[twillz1]

Where to even begin.


The Author needs a deep 'explanation' for 'how Vibranium works'.... but I bet he never needed any 'explanation' for 'how Loki's staff works'.

N’Jobu was ONLY sent to America to 'Watch & Report Back'.
He was never sent to 'Intervene & Take matters into his own hands'.
Intervening causes 'unwanted conflict' & changes the whole geopolitical climate in other countries, which could EASILY start a War with Wakanda. And Starting a War forces his King 'to make decisions' that he never even INTENDED.
Military Spies cannot just run around 'destabilizing' other countries WITHOUT 'clear authorization' from their Commander. (e.g. That's what 'Rogue Agents' do.)
If all the War Dogs 'went rogue' and intervened in every country around the world... there's no guarantee that after all the Black folks in Harlem, France, Amsterdam, London, Brazil, Australia, Japan (and all points in-between) finally 'liberated themselves' they would instantly be 'loyal to Wakanda'. Cuz if not, then what??
So yeah, N’Jobu DID betray 'the direct orders' of his Leader, who represents the people of Wakanda.
Not very hard to understand. Its not Rocket Science.

------------------------------------------------------------------------


How many COMIC BOOK MOVIE VILLAINS............................................... have a 'Coherent Political Philosophy'?
Comic Book Movie Villains just... WANT TO RULE... the town, or the country, or the planet, or the universe.

That's ALWAYS their 'end game'. (With, or without a 'coherent political philosophy'. )
And Killmonger is no different.

In Watchmen... Ozymandias wanted 'world peace'.... because he wanted to RULE A PEACEFUL PLANET.
He even had a statue with an engraving that reads: "My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings..."

Umm yeah... I'm sure he wrote 'King of Kings' on it... because he just wanted everyone to notice his Coherent Political Philosophy... then go back home, drink a few beers & watch Netflix.

In the 1st Avengers movie... Loki wanted to RULE THE EARTH.... since he failed miserably at trying to RULE ASGARD in the 1st Thor movie.

In the most recent Superman movie... General Zod wanted to destroy Planet Earth... so he could RULE A NEW VERSION OF KRYPTON.

In Avengers 2... Ultron wanted to 'exterminate all humans'... so he could RULE A PLANET FILLED WITH HIS CLONES.

In Wonder Woman... Ares wanted to destroy mankind... so he could REBUILD THE WORLD & RULE A PARADISE.

In The Dark Knight... The Joker sent a message to all the Mobsters, Cops & even Batman himself... that he wanted to RULE GOTHAM.

I could go on.

This Author is yet another person who cannot SEPARATE his 'Politics'... from a 'Fictional Comic Book Script'.

Well Done.

It feels like the goal of all of these contrarian treatises is to create the illusion of the author's intelligence, rather than make coherent points. (i.e., he was too smart to fall for this racist pap that fooled the Black masses!) He mentions Killmonger's death and juxtaposes it against the survival of Loki, ostensibly to prove that the character died because he was Black. In light of past Marvel movies, this is silly. In fact, many recent Marvel villains have died in the same movie they were introduced in, while their characters lived on for quite some time in their respective comic books. (Baron Von Struker and Baron Zemo come to mind; both are White) Having Killmonger and BP fight as they did serves a purpose: it's a battle of ideas. To allow either character to survive in defeat or have them yield in battle would do a disservice to their strongly-held beliefs. Erick was willing to die for what he believed in and proved it. (his character's youthful conviction reminded me of Fred Hampton of the BPP) Would Killmonger's ideas have changed T'Challa's mindset fundamentally without that level of conviction? I'm not sure.
Every movie of this nature has good guys and bad guys. I thought BP sprinkled these characters throughout the film, but gave them legitimate reasons for their thought processes. The king's brother seemed to be up to no good, but then he explains why he chose his radical path. After that moment, did any moviegoer really consider him to be truly evil? I think not.
I do see the author's point about the African Blacks being portrayed in a different light than the American Blacks, but this was a necessary evil. This is not done to imply that African Blacks are cut from a better cloth than American Blacks, but rather to paint the picture of how colonialism has damaged those of us born in America in ways that aren't easily fixed.
Much was expected from this movie. Some wanted to suspend belief for a few hours and witness a Black character join the ranks of the Tony Starks and Steve Rogers of the MCU. Others wanted this movie to address issues of race, colonization, socio-economic ills and keep it as real as possible when conveying the Black Experience to a wider audience.
I thought it did a good job at both.

 

[The Plutonian]

Article starts off wrong because it mischaracterizes Killmonger. Invalidated damn near the whole rest of it.

Exactly. It's not going to get away from yet still a lot of black stereo types and cliches but it's overall message is way more positive and immersive. Black royalty, kings, people of power and science. Man how many other movies have done that on this level? Critics will find something but you can't argue it's a historical movie without all that slavery b.s. or gangster shit etc. The panther god is pleased

 

[Quek9]

Whatever this movie was good And there was no cooning going on.

Wakanda is coon free and coons and cacs don't like that.

 

[BDR]

Lemme start by saying I haven't seen BP yet...so, if I'm totally off base, please lemme know...

But in a universe with all types of potential villains...they had to have T'Challa go against another brother? Typical white ish..

white people ain't ready for a black hero that beats one of them...

Go watch the movie breh

 

[BDR]

Peace,



Killmonger was designed to be the complete antithesis of Wakandan royalty, right down to his brevity and speech (which was abrupt and riddled with slang). I think a lot of people are missing that.

Killmonger felt abandoned, had no where to call home, the king decided to leave him because he felt that he wasn’t true blood royalty. Eventually T’Chella and Killmonger has to fight on that lie. N’Jobu saw how black folk were being oppressed globally and knew they had the tools to bury cacs but of course like niggas who made it the King was on some then niggas over there ain’t our problem and go about acting like shit all good..

 

[three-fifths]

personally, i ain't never gonna patronize this movie.

 

[Mask]

Bro Keynes send props your way, this mashup is on pernt. You broke it down so simple that even I felt I didn't see the movie I would understand the bs behind the article.

Where to even begin.

From the Article......

"Wakanda is a fictional nation in Africa, a marvel beyond all marvels. Its stupendous wealth and technological advancement reaches beyond anything the folks in MIT’s labs could dream of. The source of all this wonder is vibranium, a substance miraculous in ways that the movie does not bother to explain."

Umm yeah... When the Avengers movie came out in 2012, I bet he never asked... "How does Loki control people's minds WITH HIS STAFF?"

Especially during the scene when the Avengers are ACTUALLY DISCUSSING IT.

Steve Rogers says: "Let's start with that stick of his. It may be magical, but it works an awful lot like a Hydra weapon."

Nick Fury replies: "I don't know about that, but it is powered by the cube. And I'd like to know how Loki used it to turn two of the sharpest men I know into his personal flying monkeys."



Umm ok. The Author needs a deep 'explanation' for 'how Vibranium works'.... but I bet he never needed any 'explanation' for 'how Loki's staff works'.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

"We learn that N’Jobu was sent to the United States as one of Wakanda’s War Dogs, a division of spies that the reclusive nation dispatches to keep tabs on a world it refuses to engage. This is precisely N’Jobu’s problem. In the United States, he learns of the racism black Americans face, including mass incarceration and police brutality. He soon understands that his people have the power to help all black people, and he plots to develop weapons using vibranium to even the odds for black Americans. This is radical stuff; the Black Panthers (the political party, that is) taken to a level of potentially revolutionary efficacy. T’Chaka, however, insists N’Jobu has betrayed the people of Wakanda. He has no intention of helping any black people anywhere; for him and most Wakandans, it is Wakanda First."

N’Jobu was ONLY sent to America to 'Watch & Report Back'.
He was never sent to 'Intervene & Take matters into his own hands'.

Intervening causes 'unwanted conflict' & changes the whole geopolitical climate in other countries, which could EASILY start a War with Wakanda. And Starting a War forces his King 'to make decisions' that he never even INTENDED.

Military Spies cannot just run around 'destabilizing' other countries WITHOUT 'clear authorization' from their Commander. (e.g. That's what 'Rogue Agents' do.)

If all the War Dogs 'went rogue' and intervened in every country around the world... there's no guarantee that after all the Black folks in Harlem, France, Amsterdam, London, Brazil, Australia, Japan (and all points in-between) finally 'liberated themselves' they would instantly be 'loyal to Wakanda'. Cuz if not, then what??

So yeah, N’Jobu DID betray 'the direct orders' of his Leader, who represents the people of Wakanda.

Not very hard to understand. Its not Rocket Science.

------------------------------------------------------------------------

"Killmonger decisively defeats T’Challa and moves to ship weapons globally to start the revolution. In the course of Killmonger’s swift rise to power, however, Coogler muddies his motivation. Killmonger is the revolutionary willing to take what he wants by any means necessary, but he lacks any coherent political philosophy. Rather than the enlightened radical, he comes across as the black thug from Oakland hell bent on killing for killing’s sake—indeed, his body is marked with a scar for every kill he has made. The abundant evidence of his efficacy does not establish Killmonger as a hero or villain so much as a receptacle for tropes of inner-city gangsterism."

Wait. what? Cmon Son.

How many COMIC BOOK MOVIE VILLAINS............................................... have a 'Coherent Political Philosophy'?
Comic Book Movie Villains just... WANT TO RULE... the town, or the country, or the planet, or the universe.

That's ALWAYS their 'end game'. (With, or without a 'coherent political philosophy'. )
And Killmonger is no different.

In Watchmen... Ozymandias wanted 'world peace'.... because he wanted to RULE A PEACEFUL PLANET.
He even had a statue with an engraving that reads: "My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings..."

Umm yeah... I'm sure he wrote 'King of Kings' on it... because he just wanted everyone to notice his Coherent Political Philosophy... then go back home, drink a few beers & watch Netflix.




In the 1st Avengers movie... Loki wanted to RULE THE EARTH.... since he failed miserably at trying to RULE ASGARD in the 1st Thor movie.




In the most recent Superman movie... General Zod wanted to destroy Planet Earth... so he could RULE A NEW VERSION OF KRYPTON.




In Avengers 2... Ultron wanted to 'exterminate all humans'... so he could RULE A PLANET FILLED WITH HIS CLONES.




In Wonder Woman... Ares wanted to destroy mankind... so he could REBUILD THE WORLD & RULE A PARADISE.




In The Dark Knight... The Joker sent a message to all the Mobsters, Cops & even Batman himself... that he wanted to RULE GOTHAM.




I could go on.

This Author is yet another person who cannot SEPARATE his 'Politics'... from a 'Fictional Comic Book Script'.

 

[ballscout1]

Fuck the author and his attempt at his high minded insight.

He is full of shit and seems that he might have watched a movie but knows nothing about what he speaks on

Youtube is full of pseudo-intellectual rants from people looking for their 15 minutes. Most of whom are too young to know anything about the revolutionary periods they attempt to speak too.

But this stuff works in the age of instant messages and meme knowledge.

And it never fails to bring out agent provocateurs who are always trotted out to shit on anything positive in the black community

Sure it is a movie but if the messages throughout are positive it is a great thing.

These people are of the Clarence Thomas, Herman Cain, Ben Carson mold. They sat on the sidelines during the struggle

They benefited from the struggle of others who dared to fight

Then they claim to have done it all by themselves while shitting on those whose struggle is what got them to here they are

When T’Challa makes his way to Oakland at the movie’s end, he gestures at all the buildings he has bought and promises to bring to the distressed youths the preferred solution of mega-rich neoliberals: educational programming. Don’t get me wrong, education is a powerful and liberatory tool, as Paulo Freire taught us, but is that the best we can do? Why not take the case to the United Nations and charge the United States with crimes against humanity, as some nations tried to do in the early moments of the Movement for Black Lives?

Black Panther is not the movie we deserve. My president already despises me. Why should I accept the idea of black American disposability from a man in a suit, whose name is synonymous with radical uplift but whose actions question the very notion that black lives matter?

Hey young mofokr ..Black lives matter got the idea of taking the United States to the United Nations from Malcolm X

And you obviously don't know much about the BPP

 

[MistaPhantastic]

Congrats to the brothas and sistas that got PAID from the Hollywood movie machine and Disney. Its good to see other brothas and sistas prosper in an industry that is clearly biased against black people.

All of that other shit:

 

[geechiedan]

An ongoing discussion about lost heritage? And reconciliation?

C'mon man.

It's a... Disney. Comic. Book. Movie. (Not the PBS channel. Or a documentary. )
They trying to 'sell tickets', bruh... and merchandise/cool toys... and popcorn... to adults & kids.

I think your expectations for 'deep-dive ongoing dialogue' are a bit too high... especially for a Disney movie. Just saying.

In order to do something like that... they would have to make it a multi-episode DRAMATIC series. On HBO.

It's a... Disney. Comic. Book. Movie. And yet Coogler STILL opted to address some real issues. People take serious shit away from fictional work all the time. Shit there are college classes on chris nolan movies and you see him TRYING to get deep in a comic book movie (dark knight) or a scifi movie (inception, interstellar).

The other part of my SLIGHT disappointment was that he killed off killmonger so that there won't be a multi episode franchise arc between the two and NO I'm not talking about killmonger coming back every sequel but clearly they are going to be doing more than one BP movie so he can come back later at some point.

 

[sammyjax]

personally, i ain't never gonna patronize this movie.

Nigga so what