Kobe makes it clear Lakers are still his team

[Teknique310]

Re: tobe makes it clear fakers fine without him

i don't have a single favorite.

coach cheeks is 1 of my favorite.

Nah you jumpy , didnt accuse you of none of that. Its just that any Kobe related thread. You appear in a nay saying fashion.

Is Kobe really that garbage ?

Mo Cheeks & Dr J were a dope combo along with old Moses. 82 was dope.

 

[killa kadafi191]

Re: tobe makes it clear fakers are fine without him

so fakers fans, got a basketball question for you.



no, seriously. even though i'm not expecting much.

now that the fakers are supposedly running a variant of the princeton O, where will dwight howard fit in on the "5 out" set?

gotta be pau gasol on top with steve nash at the wing, right?

so where does that leave dwight howard?

Oh shit I didn't even think about this.

They were planning on running the Princeton before they traded for Dwight.

Eddie Jordan is the master when it comes to Princeton especially what he did for my squad in 02-03.

 

[Teknique310]

Re: tobe makes it clear fakers are fine without him

so fakers fans, got a basketball question for you.



no, seriously. even though i'm not expecting much.

now that the fakers are supposedly running a variant of the princeton O, where will dwight howard fit in on the "5 out" set?

gotta be pau gasol on top with steve nash at the wing, right?

so where does that leave dwight howard?

Howards going to struggle early on to find his place. But as Coach Jackson said on Real Sports Bynums emergence this past year displaced Gasol. So I wouldnt be surprised if Gasol is the man without a country come mid season.

 

[shaddyvillethug]

Re: tobe makes it clear fakers are fine without him

kobe has 5 rings

dwight has nothing

one of kobe rings was off of dwight.

luc lonley ass nigga

 

[cranrab]

Re: tobe makes it clear fakers are fine without him

I wouldnt be surprised if Gasol is the man without a country come mid season.

anything is possible, but that is ludicrous to me in the context of the princeton O. pau gasol's passing at the top in the "5 out" set is gold. combine that with steve nash as the next decision maker in the chain to receive the first option, and the fakers have dynamite.

 

[BDR]

Re: tobe makes it clear fakers are fine without him

so fakers fans, got a basketball question for you.



no, seriously. even though i'm not expecting much.

now that the fakers are supposedly running a variant of the princeton O, where will dwight howard fit in on the "5 out" set?

gotta be pau gasol on top with steve nash at the wing, right?

so where does that leave dwight howard?

 

[killa kadafi191]

Re: tobe makes it clear fakers are fine without him

Howards going to struggle early on to find his place. But as Coach Jackson said on Real Sports Bynums emergence this past year displaced Gasol. So I wouldnt be surprised if Gasol is the man without a country come mid season.

Wait I just want to make sure I read it right.

You are saying if the Lakers run the Princeton offense Gasol will be the odd man out???????????

Just trying to make sure I understand you comment

 

[killa kadafi191]

Re: tobe makes it clear fakers are fine without him

anything is possible, but that is ludicrous to me in the context of the princeton O. pau gasol's passing at the top in the "5 out" set is gold. combine that with steve nash as the next decision maker in the chain to receive the first option, and the fakers have dynamite.

Exactly. No way Gasol is the man without a country if they are running the Princeton offense.

As you just pointed out Gasol and Steve Nash are perfect for this.

 

[Teknique310]

Re: tobe makes it clear fakers are fine without him

anything is possible, but that is ludicrous to me in the context of the princeton O. pau gasol's passing at the top in the "5 out" set is gold. combine that with steve nash as the next decision maker in the chain to receive the first option, and the fakers have dynamite.

I know you dont like Euro's but Gasol is an above average talent, but struggles when playing of his position/comfort zone. Struggled for focus as a 3rd op for times last season

Howard if anything like himself pre-op, will freelance for match up disparity early. Having Nash helps Howard but hurts Kobe. So Kobe will sabotage a few games forcing looks.

But is Kobe really that garbage ?

And Nash is knock down shooter who SHOULD get plenty of good looks with Gasol, Howard, & Kobe demanding doubles at times.

 

[cranrab]

Re: tobe makes it clear fakers are fine without him

Exactly. No way Gasol is the man without a country if they are running the Princeton offense.

who knows until we see how coach brown has tweaked it for the fakers? i was specifically asking about the 5 out set.

if the fakers run the 2-2-1 set of the princeton, i could see dwight howard doing OK, same as roy hibbert did at georgetown.

 

[Teknique310]

Re: tobe makes it clear fakers are fine without him

who knows until we see how coach brown has tweaked it for the fakers? i was specifically asking about the 5 out set.

if the fakers run the 2-2-1 set of the princeton, i could see dwight howard doing OK, same as roy hibbert did at georgetown.

How garbage is Kobe ? I have asked twice.

Is he sorriest player to avg 25,4 & 5 w/30k points this season.

 

[cranrab]

Re: tobe makes it clear fakers are fine without him

How garbage is Kobe ? I have asked twice.

define what garbage means.

if it will help, i will tell you that tobe is vastly overrated, does not (and has not) ever possessed the skills he has been purported to have (especially defensively) and excels only at volume shooting and taking bad shots.

does that define garbage?

 

[killa kadafi191]

Re: tobe makes it clear fakers are fine without him

who knows until we see how coach brown has tweaked it for the fakers? i was specifically asking about the 5 out set.

if the fakers run the 2-2-1 set of the princeton, i could see dwight howard doing OK, same as roy hibbert did at georgetown.

Eddie did an interview after he was hired and he said he expects Gasol to have a resurgence in the new offense. Comparing it to Jamison second year with Wizards.

I just think that Gasol will be the biggest benefactor from the new offense

 

[shaddyvillethug]

Re: tobe makes it clear fakers are fine without him

define what garbage means.

if it will help, i will tell you that tobe is vastly overrated, does not (and has not) ever possessed the skills he has been purported to have (especially defensively) and excels only at volume shooting and taking bad shots.

does that define garbage?

does he have 5 rings?

how many players in the league who are "not" garbage have more rings than him?

 

[cranrab]

Re: tobe makes it clear fakers are fine without him

does he have 5 rings?

how many players in the league who are "not" garbage have more rings than him?

how many players in the league who are "not" garbage got to ride coat tails with shaquille o'neal under coach jackson?

how many players in the league who are "not" garbage got to ride coat tails with pau gasol under coach jackson?

right place, right time, role player. nothing more.

how many "greats" couldn't be a full time starter until their 3rd season?

how many "greats" can start at least 80% of the games in a season and lead their team to the division cellar and out of the playoffs?

 

[IT IS WHAT IT IS]

Re: tobe makes it clear fakers are fine without him

how many players in the league who are "not" garbage got to ride coat tails with shaquille o'neal under coach jackson?

how many players in the league who are "not" garbage got to ride coat tails with pau gasol under coach jackson?

right place, right time, role player. nothing more.

how many "greats" couldn't be a full time starter until their 3rd season?

how many "greats" can start at least 80% of the games in a season and lead their team to the division cellar and out of the playoffs?

You didn't answer his question Yo? Just curious to see a concise answer to a direct question on this one....

 

[shaddyvillethug]

how many players in the league who are "not" garbage got to ride coat tails with shaquille o'neal under coach jackson?

how many players in the league who are "not" garbage got to ride coat tails with pau gasol under coach jackson?

right place, right time, role player. nothing more.

how many "greats" couldn't be a full time starter until their 3rd season?

how many "greats" can start at least 80% of the games in a season and lead their team to the division cellar and out of the playoffs?

?????

are u saying kobe is a robert horry with 5 rings?

 

[cranrab]

Re: tobe makes it clear fakers are fine without him

I just think that Gasol will be the biggest benefactor from the new offense

i think the O has great potential for pau gasol and steve nash, if run properly.

 

[cranrab]

Re: tobe makes it clear fakers are fine without him

are u saying kobe is a robert horry with 5 rings?

certainly not.

i would never insult robert horry that way.

i never heard robert horry complaining about teammates' performance while playing with 3 first round TOP TEN draft picks and then finishing last place in the division and out of the playoffs.

i never saw robert horry tank games or quit on his teammates.

i never saw robert horry refuse to take a charge on D.

 

[shaddyvillethug]

Re: tobe makes it clear fakers are fine without him

certainly not.

i would never insult robert horry that way.

oh ok,

just making sure.



kobe never did this in the playoffs

 

[Teknique310]

Re: tobe makes it clear fakers are fine without him

define what garbage means.

if it will help, i will tell you that tobe is vastly overrated, does not (and has not) ever possessed the skills he has been purported to have (especially defensively) and excels only at volume shooting and taking bad shots.

does that define garbage?

So he will be sorriest player in the 30,000 points club ? Not a bad spot ,seeing as he has more rings than 2 of the 4 in front of him. If thats overrated , I think we would all like to be overrated.

1. Kareem - 20 seasons
2. Karl Malone - 19 seasons
3. Mike - 15 seasons
4. Chamberlain - 14 seasons

Those are the only players ahead of him in scoring & only 2 have more titles.

So he was just allowed to shoot the ball more than others ?

By your standard Monta Ellis could do the same thing without fear of being cut. Why is Kobe allowed to SHOOT ALL HE WANTS and not Monta Ellis, Vince Carter, or Joe Johnson.

 

[killa kadafi191]

Re: tobe makes it clear fakers are fine without him

i think the O has great potential for pau gasol and steve nash, if run properly.

They have the master on their bench.



anyone who knows me. Know that Eddie Jordan is one of my favorite coaches. When the Nets lost their leading scorer Marbury and Jordan had to utilize Kidd skills too make up for the scoring they lost.



Something I found a week ago

 

[cranrab]

Re: tobe makes it clear fakers are fine without him

You didn't answer his question Yo? Just curious to see a concise answer to a direct question on this one....

i did answer his question.

i pointed out that SVT posed a question that does not address individual circumstance, but rather team situation.

i forget that BGOL sometimes lacks a little in the comprehension area.

 

[cranrab]

Re: tobe makes it clear fakers are fine without him

So he will be sorriest player in the 30,000 points club ?

definitely the sorriest on that short list.

30,000 points in a league with a 3 point line and laughable rules changes (FTs awarded on swing throughs, hand-check and other moves not made in the act of shooting) isn't impressive or even admirable.

it's even reprehensible and disgusting, when you consider that tobe sandbagged an ENTIRE SEASON (2005-06) to score 10% of those points just to pad his stats.

 

[Teknique310]

Re: tobe makes it clear fakers are fine without him

definitely the sorriest on that short list.

30,000 points in a league with a 3 point line and laughable rules changes (FTs awarded on swing throughs, hand-check and other moves not made in the act of shooting) isn't impressive or even admirable.

it's even reprehensible and disgusting, when you consider that tobe sandbagged an ENTIRE SEASON (2005-06) to score 10% of those points just to pad his stats.

If those rule changes pad stats so much. How come the only contemporary players
on the all time scoring list are Garnett(18) & Dirk(19).

That argument doesnt add up. Should be a lot more current players in the top 30 let alone 20. Duncan ,Pierce & Allen are the only others playing in the top 30 right now.

6 players still playing in the top 30 scoring list. But the rule changes only helped Kobe ?

 

[cranrab]

Re: tobe makes it clear fakers are fine without him

So he was just allowed to shoot the ball more than others ?

By your standard Monta Ellis could do the same thing without fear of being cut. Why is Kobe allowed to SHOOT ALL HE WANTS and not Monta Ellis, Vince Carter, or Joe Johnson.

yes.

which is part of the reason coach harris was fired.

and it all came down from the owner. remember, the same owner who rejected jerry west's draft selection of sidney moncrief in favor of his own pick, earvin johnson? the same owner who told jack kent cooke "no deal" unless they got earvin johnson?

just as jerry buss knew earvin johnson would be a draw, jerry buss knew tobe was a cash cow due to demographics. it was a no brainer, because the fakers were already going to be successful on the floor due to the acquisition of shaquille o'neal.

 

[cranrab]

Re: tobe makes it clear fakers are fine without him

If those rule changes pad stats so much. How come the only contemporary players on the all time scoring list are Garnett(18) & Dirk(19).

the rules changes were made to pad scoring of perimeter players, like 2s and 3s. this is documented fact. everyone from david stern to stu jackson to rod thorn have admitted it. it's not a secret conspiracy.

 

[Teknique310]

Re: tobe makes it clear fakers are fine without him

yes.

which is part of the reason coach harris was fired.

and it all came down from the owner. remember, the same owner who rejected jerry west's draft selection of sidney moncrief in favor of his own pick, earvin johnson? the same owner who told jack kent cooke "no deal" unless they got earvin johnson?

just as jerry buss knew earvin johnson would be a draw, jerry buss knew tobe was a cash cow due to demographics. it was a no brainer, because the fakers were already going to be successful on the floor due to the acquisition of shaquille o'neal.

You talking about 1998 ? So 14 years after Harris ? your affections are becoming clear.

 

[cranrab]

Re: tobe makes it clear fakers are fine without him

6 players still playing in the top 30 scoring list. But the rule changes only helped Kobe ?

top 10 active includes

tobe
ray allen
paul pierce
vince carter
antawn jamison
lebron james
tracy mcgrady

7 of 10 active highest scoring career play the 2 or 3, just like i said.

 

[cranrab]

Re: tobe makes it clear fakers are fine without him

You talking about 1998 ? So 14 years after Harris ? your affections are becoming clear.

as are yours.

did jerry buss stop being the owner in 1998?

when coach jackson tried to have tobe traded TWICE, was jerry buss still not the owner?

again, your cape is too tight.

 

[Teknique310]

Re: tobe makes it clear fakers are fine without him

the rules changes were made to pad scoring of perimeter players, like 2s and 3s. this is documented fact. everyone from david stern to stu jackson to rod thorn have admitted it. it's not a secret conspiracy.

But Kobe & Ray Allen are the only current two's on the list with Pierce being a three. Thats 3 current 2 or 3 spot position players that benefit from these rule changes.

3 current players got lift from rule changes that supposedly helped their position score ?

Where are the rest that benefit form these rule changes for 2's & 3's ?

 

[cranrab]

Re: tobe makes it clear fakers are fine without him

That argument doesnt add up. Should be a lot more current players in the top 30 let alone 20. Duncan ,Pierce & Allen are the only others playing in the top 30 right now.?

not an argument. simple fact.

look at top ten ALL TIME scoring.

7 out of 10 played the 4 or 5.

look at top ten ACTIVE.

7 out of 10 play the 2 or 3.

crystal clear.

 

[Teknique310]

Jerry Buss w/ 9 titles in the last 32 years . The best OF ANY PRO SPORTS franchise. Made the best decision. As Shaq is still overweight ,but sitting on TV set now.

 

[Teknique310]

Re: tobe makes it clear fakers are fine without him

not an argument. simple fact.

look at top ten ALL TIME scoring.

7 out of 10 played the 4 or 5.

look at top ten ACTIVE.

7 out of 10 play the 2 or 3.

crystal clear.

But the 7 out of 10 active only "3" are top 30 all time. thats 27 spots not filled by current two's or three's that should be filling out the all time list according to the rule changes that only seem to have helped Kobe move into the top5 shortly.

 

[cranrab]

Re: tobe makes it clear fakers are fine without him

Where are the rest that benefit form these rule changes for 2's & 3's ?

you kidding, right?

in today's rule changed league, it's something like 22 or 23 out of the top 30 active players who play the 2 or 3 position.

i already gave you the 2s and 3s from the top ten.

look at who else is in the top 30:

jason kidd
grant hill
steve nash
jason terry
jerry stackhouse
carmelo anthony
chauncey billups
richard hamilton
rashard lewis
dwyane wade
joe johnson
andre miller
mike bibby
jason richardson
peja stojakovic

and you could even include juwan howard or shawn marion if you want to quibble.

tobe isn't the only one benefitting from the rules changes.