LeBron James May No Longer Be Enough to Carry the Cavs' and Their Terrible Defense to the Finals

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Every year since LeBron’s homecoming, the Cavaliers flounder for stretches of the regular season, the basketball world raises an eyebrow, but the Cavs cruise to the Finals anyway. (They even managed to win one!) This cycle, however, is speaking less and less to LeBron James’s dominance, and more and more to the Eastern Conference’s incompetence. After another pathetic defensive showing in a 148(!)—124 loss to the Thunder on Saturday, Cleveland is a mess, and the East is out of excuses.

The Cavaliers, as presently constructed, are not a championship team. If Cleveland were to make the Finals, it would be bad for the NBA. The Cavs’ defense entered Saturday as the third-worst in the league, ahead of only the pitiful Suns and Kings. Oklahoma City’s offensive rating against the Cavs was 135.2, or nearly 22 points per 100 possessions better than the league-leading Warriors. The Thunder entered Saturday’s matchup with the Cavs as the 12th-ranked offense in the NBA; Cleveland made OKC look like the Harlem Globetrotters.

How much longer can this farce continue? Last year’s Cavs team was the second worst in the league defensively after the All-Star break, and they still nearly swept the competition en route to the Finals—even though their defensive efficiency was worse in the playoffs than in the regular season. If the Celtics, Raptors, Bucks or Wizards can’t make the Finals this year, it would be the best argument yet for Adam Silver to ditch the conference structure when it comes to making a playoff bracket.

It’s hard to articulate exactly how disappointing this Cleveland team is, but let me try. The Los Angeles Clippers, who are relying on Lou Williams, a bunch of no-name fringe NBAers and a sometimes-healthy Blake Griffin, have a better net rating than the Cavaliers. Cleveland, after Saturday’s dispiriting loss, is now closer to the No. 29 Suns in net rating than the No. 2 Rockets.

LeBron in the Finals is a good thing. A team with a defense this bad, or one showing this blatant of a disregard for the regular season, should not be the team tasked with taking down the Warriors come June. If the Cavs stumble into another championship round, it no longer can be attributed to their ability to flip a switch. No, if Cleveland is playing in the Finals, it will be an indictment on the Eastern Conference general managers who can’t put together a group of players capable of beating a team playing worse defense than the 2011–12, 7–59 Charlotte Bobcats.

Pointing the finger at Ty Lue for the current mess would be easy. What exactly are his defensive principles as a coach, anyway? Then again, what is Lue supposed to do with an old, disinterested roster? Isaiah Thomas is a defensive downgrade from Kyrie Irving, Kevin Love has been an issue on that end his entire career and Dwyane Wade and Derrick Rose are hardly answers off the bench. Every lineup this team uses has at least one giant target for opposing offenses, and that’s being generous.

The Cavs just no longer deserve the benefit of the doubt. Their defense is bordering on insulting to watch. If LeBron makes his eighth straight Finals this year, multiple Eastern Conference All-Stars should be forced to return those designations to the league. Cleveland, as presently constructed, is far from a juggernaut. The rest of the East has already caught up—and LeBron is the last and only reason to think otherwise.
 

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I keep thinking about it, but I just can't see Boston or Toronto doing it

Maybe if they had Hayward, but both are sort of flawed.

Boston might take them six or seven.
 

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I keep thinking about it, but I just can't see Boston or Toronto doing it

Maybe if they had Hayward, but both are sort of flawed.

Boston might take them six or seven.
Seriously, people are going to know soon enough just how much this team misses Kyrie! I actually can see Boston, Toronto and potentially Washington giving them trouble, and I'm not at the school of thought that 'Oh, because they have LeBron its a foregone conclusion they are coming out of the east. Theyve had issues in previous seasons, but Bruh, they have NEVER gotten fucked up THIS bad during those down times. This shit seems brand new... :smh:
 

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Peace,



People aren’t watching these games. People score whenever they want against the Cavs. You don’t just fix that shit with a last minute trade.
Yes their problems has to be addressed off-season there is nothing they could do right now
 

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People aren’t watching these games. People score whenever they want against the Cavs. You don’t just fix that shit with a last minute trade.
There is no rim protector no one to challenge s shot. If they made a move for DeAndre Jordan that would allow tighter perimeter defense. Send Korver and Kevin Love for Carmello and Ferguson. Tristan Thompson Jeff Green and Derrick Rose and Brooklyn future first for Lou Williams and Deandre Jordan. You can switch Jeff Green and Kyle Korver in the trade scenarios

Cleveland would be left with
Isaiah Thomas
Lou Williams
Carmelo Anthony
LeBron James
DeAndre Jordan
Dwayne Wade
J.R.Smith
Shumpert
Jae Crowder
Ferguson
Channing Frye
Jose Calderon
 
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There is no rim protector no one to challenge s shot. If they made a move for DeAndre Jordan that would allow a little more tighter perimeter defense. Can you send Korver, Kevin Love for Carmello and Ferguson. Tristan Thompson Jeff Green and Derrick Rose and Brooklyn future first for Lou Williams and Deandre Jordan.

Isaiah Thomas
Lou Williams
Carmelo Anthony
LeBron James
DeAndre Jordan
Dwayne Wade
J.R.Smith
Shumpert
Jae Crowder
Channing Frye
Jose Calderon


:hmm:

These trades wouldn't work in 2K
 

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There is no rim protector no one to challenge s shot. If they made a move for DeAndre Jordan that would allow tighter perimeter defense. Send Korver and Kevin Love for Carmello and Ferguson. Tristan Thompson Jeff Green and Derrick Rose and Brooklyn future first for Lou Williams and Deandre Jordan. You can switch Jeff Green and Kyle Korver in the trade scenarios

Cleveland would be left with
Isaiah Thomas
Lou Williams
Carmelo Anthony
LeBron James
DeAndre Jordan
Dwayne Wade
J.R.Smith
Shumpert
Jae Crowder
Ferguson
Channing Frye
Jose Calderon


Why the FUCK would OKC do that?
 

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There is no rim protector no one to challenge s shot. If they made a move for DeAndre Jordan that would allow tighter perimeter defense. Send Korver and Kevin Love for Carmello and Ferguson. Tristan Thompson Jeff Green and Derrick Rose and Brooklyn future first for Lou Williams and Deandre Jordan. You can switch Jeff Green and Kyle Korver in the trade scenarios

Cleveland would be left with
Isaiah Thomas
Lou Williams
Carmelo Anthony
LeBron James
DeAndre Jordan
Dwayne Wade
J.R.Smith
Shumpert
Jae Crowder
Ferguson
Channing Frye
Jose Calderon
Teams have to be willing to make these moves though bruh and frankly, if they were, these moves would have been made. Nobody wants Tristan, OKC isn't fucking up their team taking Love and Korver, Ferguson is too young and talented with too much potential for that shit. Cavs are fucked right now, those contracts are a major problem, especially when the players suck like they do... :smh:
 

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There is no rim protector no one to challenge s shot. If they made a move for DeAndre Jordan that would allow tighter perimeter defense. Send Korver and Kevin Love for Carmello and Ferguson. Tristan Thompson Jeff Green and Derrick Rose and Brooklyn future first for Lou Williams and Deandre Jordan. You can switch Jeff Green and Kyle Korver in the trade scenarios

Cleveland would be left with
Isaiah Thomas
Lou Williams
Carmelo Anthony
LeBron James
DeAndre Jordan
Dwayne Wade
J.R.Smith
Shumpert
Jae Crowder
Ferguson
Channing Frye
Jose Calderon
#Swept

Niggas still would have no defense
 

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Why the FUCK would OKC do that?
Why the FUCK would OKC do that?
Kevin Love would go back to his natural position PF amd get 20 and 10 a night with all of shots Westbrook chuck you need a rebounder another rebounder with Adams. Korver can play your stretch four when you go small. Also with Paul George all but gone after this season you can attract another free agent and not have to start all over after giving Westbrook that new contract.
2018
Westbrook
George
Love
Korver
Roberson
Adams
Grant
 

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Peace,



People aren’t watching these games. People score whenever they want against the Cavs. You don’t just fix that shit with a last minute trade.

Yep, they are acting like they are one player away... You don't give up 150 pts an stay losing by double figures based on ONE player away. Shit, that one player was Kyrie... IT is really just bad for this team for real, not saying he's the only problem, but a LOT of these issues started when he started playing... :smh:
 

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Kevin Love would go back to his natural position PF amd get 20 and 10 a night with all of shots Westbrook chuck you need a rebounder another rebounder with Adams. Korver can play your stretch four when you go small. Also with Paul George all but gone after this season you can attract another free agent and not have to start all over after giving Westbrook that new contract.
2018
Westbrook
George
Love
Korver
Roberson
Adams
Grant

George ain't leaving if the Thunder are winning, and OKC needs bench help. That move fucks up the chemistry they have built.
 

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George ain't leaving if the Thunder are winning, and OKC needs bench help. That move fucks up the chemistry they have built.
How is that OKC has chemistry at 26-20 and the Cavs are a mess at 27-18. The Cavs have a better record and that without Thomas and Rose playing. Both teams are struggling to play cohesive and find their roles. OKC had one big won this season and that was tonight's game. George knows he can't win in the West and will be out after this year.
 

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How is that OKC has chemistry at 26-20 and the Cavs are a mess at 27-18. The Cavs have a better record and that without Thomas and Rose playing. Both teams are struggling to play cohesive and find their roles. OKC had one big won this season and that was tonight's game. George knows he can't win in the West and will be out after this year.

Bruh, the Cavs are getting BLOWN OUT on a regular basis, are like 3-12 the last 15 games. OKC record is a product of early season struggles, but they are playing MUCH better lately. Cavs were up 22 on the PACERS and lost that game, and got blown out today, and were beaten by 28 and 34 in back to back games...

They are no where near playing on the level of the Thunder right now Dude... :smh:
 

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How is that OKC has chemistry at 26-20 and the Cavs are a mess at 27-18. The Cavs have a better record and that without Thomas and Rose playing. Both teams are struggling to play cohesive and find their roles. OKC had one big won this season and that was tonight's game. George knows he can't win in the West and will be out after this year.

The Thunder beat the Spurs, Warriors, Rockets and now Cleveland. Everyone knew it would take time to gel and now that Melo has settled into his role they have been winning.

OKC is also top 3 in defense. George did an interview saying he'd stay if things are trending upward.
 
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OKC is starting to put it together. They just need to figure out a way to avoid GS as little bg as they can in the playoffs.
 

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Bruh, the Cavs are getting BLOWN OUT on a regular basis, are like 3-12 the last 15 games. OKC record is a product of early season struggles, but they are playing MUCH better lately. Cavs were up 22 on the PACERS and lost that game, and got blown out today, and were beaten by 28 and 34 in back to back games...

They are no where near playing on the level of the Thunder right now Dude... :smh:
After barely beating the Rockets on Christmas Day the only teams OKC beat was the Raptors, Hornets Lakers, Clippers, Kings and Cavs. They lost to Bucks Mavs, Suns, Trail blazers , Timberwolves. They are not ready for any type of run and yes the Cavs also need time to gel and integrate their players. They will start their run after the all star break
 
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After barely beating the Rockets on Christmas Day the only teams OKC beat was the Raptors, Hornets Lakers, Clippers, Kings and Cavs. They lost to Bucks Mavs, Suns, Trail blazers , Timberwolves. They are not ready for any type of run and yes the Cavs to gel and integrate the new players

Dude, you are comparing the Cavs to the Thunder to validate the Cavs?

Also, since losing on Christmas, the Cavs have beaten Portland, and Orlando... Thats it?!?!? In damn near a month, they've beaten only Portland and Orlando, and lost to EVERYBODY else... :smh:

Fam, the Cavs are getting blown out regularly, are one of if not the worst defensive team in the league, and are an embarrassment right now. There is absolutely no comparison between them and the Thunder right now. You are putting together random line ups as if the deals are there for the Cavs to pull the trigger. When a team who has been as good as the Cavs 'in previous years', is losing like this, AND is desperate for hypothetical moves this late in the season, there is a problem.

This team is struggling worse than it ever has, all due respect but has a lot of players who are underperforming with big ass contracts which most teams won't truly touch because they don't help them. None of the scenarios you mentioned with the players being exchanged will benefit the teams who take on the Cavs trash... none of them...
 

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Dude, you are comparing the Cavs to the Thunder to validate the Cavs?

Also, since losing on Christmas, the Cavs have beaten Portland, and Orlando... Thats it?!?!? In damn near a month, they've beaten only Portland and Orlando, and lost to EVERYBODY else... :smh:

Fam, the Cavs are getting blown out regularly, are one of if not the worst defensive team in the league, and are an embarrassment right now. There is absolutely no comparison between them and the Thunder right now. You are putting together random line ups as if the deals are there for the Cavs to pull the trigger. When a team who has been as good as the Cavs 'in previous years', is losing like this, AND is desperate for hypothetical moves this late in the season, there is a problem.

This team is struggling worse than it ever has, all due respect but has a lot of players who are underperforming with big ass contracts which most teams won't truly touch because they don't help them. None of the scenarios you mentioned with the players being exchanged will benefit the teams who take on the Cavs trash... none of them...
I agree with you my original point was this team needs to do something and evolved into OKC is a game behind the Cavs. The reason I selected these three teams because all three are at crossroads if the Cavs want to salvage their season moves need to be made. If OKC was smart they would Melo and not get caught with their pants down like they did when KD walked. Clippers is also in quasi rebuild mode around Griffin and they only piecenthey have too attract any teams interest would be Jordan and if you can get a top five pick (Brooklyn) from the Cavs and draft One of the young guards coming out next year to build with Blake. I am actually a Sixers fan and hope the Cavs fall flat. LeBron leaves and comes to Philly. We have cap spaces and young All star players coming out of the East.
 

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I agree with you my original point was this team needs to do something and evolved into OKC is a game behind the Cavs. The reason I selected these three teams because all three are at crossroads if the Cavs want to salvage their season moves need to be made. If OKC was smart they would Melo and not get caught with their pants down like they did when KD walked. Clippers is also in quasi rebuild mode around Griffin and they only piecenthey have too attract any teams interest would be Jordan and if you can get a top five pick (Brooklyn) from the Cavs and draft One of the young guards coming out next year to build with Blake. I am actually a Sixers fan and hope the Cavs fall flat. LeBron leaves and comes to Philly. We have cap spaces and young All star players coming out of the East.

I feel you good brother, and I understand your point, but OKC actually is not at the crossroads at this point, they are actually trending upward. Cavs definitely are. OKC doesn't need to move Melo because his skillset fits better in the western conference than anyone who the Cavs could offer. Love is a good spot up shooter at times and can board, but hes a liability on defense and cannot create his own shot which is the biggest difference between him and Melo. Clippers, don't get better or build their future by trading for Cavs high paid bad contract trash, unless its an expiring contract which TT's isnt.

Not sure if he comes to Philly, but LeBron is gone after this season man, you can see it on his face, his game has started to devolve a bit as has his effort, he may have honestly checked out at this point. There is no quick fix solution for the Cavs, that Kyrie trade hurt them more than people think, and there are no available players out there that would make the difference for them. Unless a KD, PG or Steph is walking through that door, any other player would just be putting a bandaid on a wound that needs stitches... :smh:
 
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