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Tax rates: Current vs Historical averages

Tax rates: Current vs Historical averages

A new CBO report gives the effective federal tax rate by income group. These numbers include all federal taxes, not just income taxes, and are expressed as a percentage of household income. (If you have questions about the CBO methodology, click here.)

The first number below is for 2005, the most recent year available. For comparison, I computed, and present in parentheses below, the average effective tax rate from 1979 to 2005, the time span covered in the report.

All households: 20.5 (21.6)

Lowest quintile: 4.3 (7.2)
Second quintile: 9.9 (13.2)
Middle quintile: 14.2 (17.1)
Fourth quintile: 17.4 (20.1)
Highest quintile: 25.5 (26.1)

Top 10 percent: 27.4 (27.6)
Top 5 percent: 28.9 (29.0)
Top 1 percent: 31.2 (31.7)

Notice that all groups are paying lower tax rates than the historical average. But in contrast to some popular perceptions, the change is not concentrated among the upper income groups. In fact, the opposite is true.

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http://gregmankiw.blogspot.com/2007/12/tax-rates-current-vs-historical.html
http://gregmankiw.blogspot.com/2007/12/progressivity-of-income-tax.html
 

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Wonder why the rich are getting richer and most everyone else is losing ground?


The Single Best Gauge Of The Economy, The Unemployment Rate.

Check out between 1992 and 2000, the Clinton years.

source: U.S. Department of Labor

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source: Center on Budget and Policy Priorities

Corporate Income Tax Receipts Have Dropped

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…did you know that wage earners pay Social Security taxes on only their first $90,000 of income. Over that amount you don’t pay FICA tax.
 
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Unemployment Rate


Age: 16 years and over
Race: Black or African American
Year Annual Rate
1993 13
1994 11.5
1995 10.4
1996 10.5
1997 10
1998 8.9
1999 8
2000 7.6
2001 8.6
2002 10.2
2003 10.8
2004 10.4
2005 10
2006 8.9
2007 8.3
Average Rate
1993-2000 10.0
2001-2007 9.6
1997-2000 8.6
2005-2007 9.1


Age: 20 years and over
Race: Black or African American
Sex: Men
Year Annual Rate
1993 12.1
1994 10.3
1995 8.8
1996 9.4
1997 8.5
1998 7.4
1999 6.7
2000 6.9
2001 8
2002 9.5
2003 10.3
2004 9.9
2005 9.2
2006 8.3
2007 7.9
Average Rate
1993-2000 8.8
2001-2007 9.0
1997-2000 7.4
2005-2007 8.5


Age: 20 years and over
Race: Black or African American
Sex: Women
Year Annual Rate
1993 10.7
1994 9.8
1995 8.6
1996 8.7
1997 8.8
1998 7.9
1999 6.8
2000 6.2
2001 7
2002 8.8
2003 9.2
2004 8.9
2005 8.5
2006 7.5
2007 6.7
Average Rate
1993-2000 8.4
2001-2007 8.1
1997-2000 7.4
2005-2007 7.6


Age: 16 to 19 years
Race: Black or African American
Year Annual Rate
1993 38.8
1994 35.2
1995 35.7
1996 33.6
1997 32.4
1998 27.6
1999 27.9
2000 24.5
2001 29
2002 29.8
2003 33
2004 31.7
2005 33.3
2006 29.1
2007 29.4
Average Rate
1993-2000 32.0
2001-2007 30.8
1997-2000 28.1
2005-2007 30.6
 

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Unemployment Rate


Age: 16 years and over
Race: White
Year Annual
1993 6.1
1994 5.3
1995 4.9
1996 4.7
1997 4.2
1998 3.9
1999 3.7
2000 3.5
2001 4.2
2002 5.1
2003 5.2
2004 4.8
2005 4.4
2006 4
2007 4.1
Average Rate
1993-2000 4.5
2001-2007 4.5
1997-2000 3.8
2005-2007 4.2


Age: 20 years and over
Race: White
Sex: Men
Year Annual
1993 5.7
1994 4.8
1995 4.3
1996 4.1
1997 3.6
1998 3.2
1999 3
2000 2.8
2001 3.7
2002 4.7
2003 5
2004 4.4
2005 3.8
2006 3.5
2007 3.7
Average Rate
1993-2000 3.9
2001-2007 4.1
1997-2000 3.2
2005-2007 3.7


Age: 20 years and over
Race: White
Sex: Women
Year Annual
1993 5.2
1994 4.6
1995 4.3
1996 4.1
1997 3.7
1998 3.4
1999 3.3
2000 3.1
2001 3.6
2002 4.4
2003 4.4
2004 4.2
2005 3.9
2006 3.6
2007 3.6
Average Rate
1993-2000 4.0
2001-2007 4.0
1997-2000 3.4
2005-2007 3.7


Age: 16 to 19 years
Race: White
Year Annual
1993 16.2
1994 15.1
1995 14.5
1996 14.2
1997 13.6
1998 12.6
1999 12
2000 11.4
2001 12.7
2002 14.5
2003 15.2
2004 15
2005 14.2
2006 13.2
2007 13.9
Average Rate
1993-2000 13.7
2001-2007 14.1
1997-2000 12.4
2005-2007 13.8
 

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Actually those unemployment rates aren't too bad when you consider Black's basically depend on whites to employ us. The sad truth is we don't have the ability to hire our own if we did our unemployment rates would be the same as everyone else's.
 

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Difference in Black and white unemployment rates

Age: 16 years and over
Difference: Black Rate-White Rate
Year Annual Rate
1993 6.9
1994 6.2
1995 5.5
1996 5.8
1997 5.8
1998 5.0
1999 4.3
2000 4.1
2001 4.4
2002 5.1
2003 5.6
2004 5.6
2005 5.6
2006 4.9
2007 4.2
Difference between average rates
1993-2000 5.5
2001-2007 5.1
1997-2000 4.8
2005-2007 4.9


Age: 20 years and over
Difference: Black Rate-White Rate
Sex: Men
Year Annual Rate
1993 6.4
1994 5.5
1995 4.5
1996 5.3
1997 4.9
1998 4.2
1999 3.7
2000 4.1
2001 4.3
2002 4.8
2003 5.3
2004 5.5
2005 5.4
2006 4.8
2007 4.2
Difference between average rates
1993-2000 4.8
2001-2007 4.9
1997-2000 4.2
2005-2007 4.8


Age: 20 years and over
Difference: Black Rate-White Rate
Sex: Women
Year Annual Rate
1993 5.5
1994 5.2
1995 4.3
1996 4.6
1997 5.1
1998 4.5
1999 3.5
2000 3.1
2001 3.4
2002 4.4
2003 4.8
2004 4.7
2005 4.6
2006 3.9
2007 3.1
Difference between average rates
1993-2000 4.5
2001-2007 4.1
1997-2000 4.1
2005-2007 3.9


Age: 16 to 19 years
Difference: Black Rate-White Rate
Year Annual Rate
1993 22.6
1994 20.1
1995 21.2
1996 19.4
1997 18.8
1998 15.0
1999 15.9
2000 13.1
2001 16.3
2002 15.3
2003 17.8
2004 16.7
2005 19.1
2006 15.9
2007 15.5
Difference between average rates
1993-2000 18.3
2001-2007 16.7
1997-2000 15.7
2005-2007 16.8
 

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Age: 16 years and over
Difference: Black Rate-White Rate
Year Percentage that Black rate is higher than White rate
1993 113.11%
1994 116.98%
1995 112.24%
1996 123.40%
1997 138.10%
1998 128.21%
1999 116.22%
2000 117.14%
2001 104.76%
2002 100.00%
2003 107.69%
2004 116.67%
2005 127.27%
2006 122.50%
2007 102.44%
Percentage that Black rate is higher than White rate
1993-2000 120.11%
2001-2007 111.32%
1997-2000 125.49%
2005-2007 117.60%


Age: 20 years and over
Difference: Black Rate-White Rate
Sex: Men
Year Percentage that Black rate is higher than White rate
1993 112.28%
1994 114.58%
1995 104.65%
1996 129.27%
1997 136.11%
1998 131.25%
1999 123.33%
2000 146.43%
2001 116.22%
2002 102.13%
2003 106.00%
2004 125.00%
2005 142.11%
2006 137.14%
2007 113.51%
Percentage that Black rate is higher than White rate
1993-2000 122.54%
2001-2007 119.10%
1997-2000 134.13%
2005-2007 130.91%


Age: 20 years and over
Difference: Black Rate-White Rate
Sex: Women
Year Percentage that Black rate is higher than White rate
1993 105.77%
1994 113.04%
1995 100.00%
1996 112.20%
1997 137.84%
1998 132.35%
1999 106.06%
2000 100.00%
2001 94.44%
2002 100.00%
2003 109.09%
2004 111.90%
2005 117.95%
2006 108.33%
2007 86.11%
Percentage that Black rate is higher than White rate
1993-2000 112.93%
2001-2007 104.33%
1997-2000 120.00%
2005-2007 104.50%


Age: 16 to 19 years
Difference: Black Rate-White Rate
Year Percentage that Black rate is higher than White rate
1993 139.51%
1994 133.11%
1995 146.21%
1996 136.62%
1997 138.24%
1998 119.05%
1999 132.50%
2000 114.91%
2001 128.35%
2002 105.52%
2003 117.11%
2004 111.33%
2005 134.51%
2006 120.45%
2007 111.51%
Percentage that Black rate is higher than White rate
1993-2000 133.30%
2001-2007 118.14%
1997-2000 126.61%
2005-2007 122.28%
 

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Feel free to disagree with my logic. The rate for black people is consistently 100+% more than the rate for white. That includes years for onethought's first black president and the years for the president that onethought feels is the devil.

For the record I've always spoke out against the Clintons and the Clinton years as nothing black people should be happy about.
 

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I agree with your logic onethought can be a pain in the ass. Unemployment, wealth, power are different things. They don't have a lot to do with whose in office or not. They are about money, power, wealth building. Blacks offically became a permanent underclass in 2000 because we don't create jobs for our people. That is not political, it's economical and to a lesser degree behavioral.
 

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I'm going to give you and shitty a chance to reformulate your argument based on these numbers before I respond. If you say the Clinton years are nothing Black folk should be proud of, how should they feel under GW, the so called ownership society?
 

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I said the numbers were consistent through the two presidents. I characterized the numbers as bad overall. I invited people to disagree with my logic and the way I put together the numbers. What am I saying that's confusing to you?
 

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Don’t play that Bill O'Reilly crap with me. Clinton inherited a disastrous economy from George Bush, which was a continuation of the trickle down, supply side policies of Ronald Reagan. The unemployment rate was going down, from a high of 7.8 in June of 92. The graph illustrates that clearly, if you cannot visualize it from the tables. Averaging misrepresents the facts. On top of that, the buying power of all those that traded with the US dollar had gone up, due to the falling federal deficit. I won’t go in to what the dollar is worth today, or what the deficit is. Let me reiterate, Clinton was not my favorite president. NAFTA, GATT has done damage to this country as a whole. But after 12 years of trickle down, he was better, considering.
 

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Subprime Nation
Posted: January 14, 2008
9:29 p.m. Eastern

By Patrick J. Buchanan
© 2008


Since it began to give credit ratings to nations in 1917, Moody's has rated the United States triple-A. U.S. Treasury bonds have been seen as the most secure investment on earth. When crises erupt, nervous money seeks out the world's great safe harbor, the United States. That reputation is now in peril.

Last week, Moody's warned that if the United States fails to rein in the soaring cost of Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, the nation's credit rating will be down-graded within a decade.

Our political parties seem oblivious. Republicans, save Ron Paul, are all promising to expand the U.S. military and maintain all of our worldwide commitments to defend and subsidize scores of nations.

Democrats, with entitlement costs drowning the federal budget in red ink, are proposing a new entitlement – universal health coverage for the near 50 million who do not have it – another magnet for illegal aliens. Moody's is telling America it needs a time of austerity, while the U.S. government is behaving like the governments we used to bail out.

(Column continues below)

California has already hit the wall. With an economy as large as a G-8 nation, the Golden State is looking at a $14 billion deficit in 2009 and a $3 billion shortfall in 2008. Gov. Schwarzenegger has called for slashing prison staff by 6,000, including 2,000 guards, early release of 22,000 inmates, closing four dozen state parks and a 10 percent across-the-board cut in all state agencies. The Democratic legislature is demanding tax hikes, which would drive more taxpayers back over the mountains whence their fathers came.

Meanwhile, Washington drifts mindlessly toward the maelstrom. With the dollar sinking, oil surging to $100 a barrel, the Dow having its worst January in memory, foreclosures mounting, credit card debt going rotten, and consumers and businesses unable or unwilling to borrow, we appear headed into recession.

If so, tax revenue will fall and spending on unemployment will surge. The price of the stimulus packages both parties are preparing will further add to the deficit and further imperil the U.S. credit rating. This all comes in the year that the first of the baby boomers, born in 1946, reach early retirement and eligibility for Social Security.

To stave off recession, the Fed appears anxious to slash interest rates another half-point, if not more. That will further weaken the dollar and raise the costs of the imports to which we have become addicted. While all this is bad news for the Republicans, it is worse news for the republic. As we save nothing, we must borrow both to pay for the imported oil and foreign manufactures upon which we have become dependent.

We are thus in the position of having to borrow from Europe to defend Europe, of having to borrow from China and Japan to defend Chinese and Japanese access to Gulf oil, and of having to borrow from Arab emirs, sultans and monarchs to make Iraq safe for democracy.

We borrow from the nations we defend so that we may continue to defend them. To question this is an unpardonable heresy called "isolationism."

And the chickens of globalism are coming home to roost.

We let Europe to get away with imposing value-added taxes averaging 15 percent on our exports to them, while they rebate that value-added tax on their exports to us. Thus, the euro has almost doubled in value against the dollar in the Bush years, as NATO Europe begins to bail out on Iraq and Afghanistan.

We sat still as Japan protected her markets and dumped high quality goods into ours and China undervalued its currency to suck jobs, technology and factories out of the United States. Now, China and Japan have $2 trillion in cash reserves. The Arabs have an equal amount of petrodollars. Both are headed here to spend their depreciating dollars snapping up U.S. assets – banks, ports, highways, defense contractors.

America, to pay her bills, has begun to sell herself to the world.

Its balance sheet gutted by the subprime mortgage crisis, Citicorp got a $7.5 billion injection from Abu Dhabi and is now fishing for $1 billion from Kuwait and $9 billion from China. Beijing has put $5 billion into Morgan Stanley and bought heavily into Barclays Bank.

Merrill-Lynch, ravaged by subprime mortgage losses, sold part of itself to Singapore for $7.5 billion and is seeking another $3 billion to $4 billion from the Arabs. Swiss-based UBS, taking a near $15 billion write-down in subprime mortgages, has gotten an infusion of $10 billion from Singapore.

Bain Capital is partnering with China's Huawei Technologies in a buyout of 3Com, the U.S. company that provides the technology that protects Pentagon computers from Chinese hackers.

This self-indulgent generation has borrowed itself into unpayable debt. Now the folks from whom we borrowed to buy all that oil and all those cars, electronics and clothes are coming to buy the country we inherited. We are prodigal sons, and the day of reckoning approaches.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/staticarticles/article59693.html
 

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I think there's something more ominious going on here for America. The truth is this country has always used the national debt to transfer wealth. Whether it's to contractors or foreign allies the debt never really meant much. Bush II said it was just paper. Matter of fact if you go back to the Reagan years there's a record of each president inheriting a recession. Bush I raised taxes to fight off his recession and it cost him his job. Clinton raised taxes, Bush II gave Elites a tax cut, every president used the excuse to transfer wealth. Now things are different, the global economy is not what business expected, America can't compete with countries who pay 1 dollar a day with no regulations whatsoever. Now we have started to slide and those foreign allies we paid for years are sitting back laughing while we do.
 

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I think there's something more ominious going on here for America. The truth is this country has always used the national debt to transfer wealth. Whether it's to contractors or foreign allies the debt never really meant much. Bush II said it was just paper. Matter of fact if you go back to the Reagan years there's a record of each president inheriting a recession. Bush I raised taxes to fight off his recession and it cost him his job. Clinton raised taxes, Bush II gave Elites a tax cut, every president used the excuse to transfer wealth. Now things are different, the global economy is not what business expected, America can't compete with countries who pay 1 dollar a day with no regulations whatsoever. Now we have started to slide and those foreign allies we paid for years are sitting back laughing while we do.

Your observations are instightful. I have been saying this on this board from day one. Clinton raised taxes and two years later the newly elected republican congress and senate cut spending. This combination lend to stronger job growth which in turn decreased the deficit. The right believes in serfdom. The wealthy throw bones and expect everyone else to be thankful for the charity. They are happy with high unemployment because that drives labor down. They rail against government intervention, yet the Federal Reserve has saved many a conservative investor from financial ruin. They claim they support a world economy where labor flows over national boundaries as easily as capital, yet they are jingoistic hawks when it comes to immigration policies. Reagan actually stated that deficits don’t mean anything. It only means that the dollar’s buying power is lessened. It’s time to ask the corporatists, is the economy here for the people or are people here for the economy. How can a company put their corporate charter on an off shore tax haven, yet have the US military invade countries and use American lives and American tax money, so they can expand their business. When unemployment hit 5%, Bush said the economy was solid. When the Stock Market continued to drop, he said we now need a stimulus program. It is a shame that the economy has to tank before the masses get fed up enough to take action.
 
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It is a shame that the economy has to tank before the masses get fed up enough to take action.

I hope the economy doesn't have to tank before forward thinking people take action. I have a little money but I side with the working man and my question is 'How do we free ourselves from this'. I think the answer is us forming our own economic plan. Forget what the elites in Washington and Wall Street do. The Constitution give us the right to assemble. We can start our own partnerships, our own business plans, the only thing stopping us is our conditioning. We have got to start thinking outside the box, realize we only have one life to give so it might as well be for our progeny. That's not a radical concept, it's what got our people through 400yrs of slavery.
 

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I hope the economy doesn't have to tank before forward thinking people take action. I have a little money but I side with the working man and my question is 'How do we free ourselves from this'. I think the answer is us forming our own economic plan. Forget what the elites in Washington and Wall Street do. The Constitution give us the right to assemble. We can start our own partnerships, our own business plans, the only thing stopping us is our conditioning. We have got to start thinking outside the box, realize we only have one life to give so it might as well be for our progeny. That's not a radical concept, it's what got our people through 400yrs of slavery.

I'm all for that, but if we think of ourselves as republicans or democrats instead of Black or African Americans then we won't get nowhere near that goal. Jews are always Jews, whites rally around that perceived whiteness. Can we rally around something common?
 

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I don't know. The problem as I see it is the internet is the only way to start such a movement and that poses all kinds of logistical problems. There's no way to organize it effectively and believe me I've given it plenty of thought. I don't think what we face is a racial struggle, I see it as a class problem but given America's racial and class history a multi-racial, grassroots crusade is out of the question.
 

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I'm all for that, but if we think of ourselves as republicans or democrats instead of Black or African Americans then we won't get nowhere near that goal. Jews are always Jews, whites rally around that perceived whiteness. Can we rally around something common?

"Be the change you want to see in the world" - Mohandas Ghandi
 

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<font size="5"><center>Bush calls for $145 billion stimulus package</font size><font size="4">
President sees tax rebates as priority</font size></center>

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January 18, 2008

WASHINGTON - President Bush on Friday called for about $145 billion worth of tax relief and other incentives to stimulate a sagging economy and fend off a possible recession. He said a growth package must include tax incentives for business investment and “direct and rapid” tax relief for individuals.

Bush said that to be effective, an economic stimulus package would need to roughly represent 1 percent of the gross domestic product — the value of all U.S. goods and services and the best measure of the country’s economic standing. White House advisers say that, in current terms, 1 percent would amount to around $145 billion, which is along the lines of what private economists say should be sufficient to help give the economy a short-term boost.

“Letting Americans keep more of their money should increase consumer spending,” he said.

Bush said that Congress should work as soon as possible to send him legislation to “keep our economy growing and creating jobs.”

The president and Congress are scrambling to take action as fears mount that a severe housing slump and painful credit crisis could cause people to close their wallets and businesses to put a lid on hiring, throwing the nation into its first recession since 2001.

“This growth package must be big enough to make a difference in an economy as large and dynamic as ours, which means it should be about 1 percent of GDP,” Bush said. He said the package should be built on “broad-based tax relief” that will directly affect economic growth.

The president and Congress are scrambling to take action as fears mount that a severe housing slump and painful credit crisis could cause people to close their wallets and businesses to put a lid on hiring, throwing the nation into its first recession since 2001.

Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke entered the stimulus debate Thursday, endorsing the idea of putting money into the hands of those who would spend it quickly and boost the flagging economy.

The scramble to take action came as fears mounted that a severe housing slump and a painful credit crisis could cause people to clamp down on their spending and businesses to put a lid on hiring, throwing the country into its first recession since 2001.

The president did not push for a permanent extension of his 2001 and 2003 tax cuts, many of which are due to expire in 2010, officials said. That would eliminate a potential stumbling block to swift action by Congress, since most Democrats oppose making the tax cuts permanent.

White House counselor Ed Gillespie said Friday on CNN the White House would still like to see the tax cuts made permanent, but the president believes a stimulus plan needs to be put into place within the next few weeks.

Bernanke voiced his support for a stimulus package in an appearance before the House Budget Committee. He stressed that it must be temporary and must be implemented quickly — so that its economic effects could be felt as much as possible within the next 12 months.

“Putting money into the hands of households and firms that would spend it in the near term” is a priority, he said.

Especially important is making sure a plan can put cash into the hands of poor people and the middle class, who are most likely to spend it right away, he said, though he added that research shows affluent people also spend some of their rebates.

Bernanke declined to endorse any particular approach, but he did say he preferred one that would not have a long-term adverse impact on the government’s budget deficit.

Senior aides to House Democrats and Republicans said in addition to included tax rebates for individuals, the emerging measure would contain tax breaks for businesses investing in new equipment, increases in food stamps, and higher unemployment benefits. They spoke on condition of anonymity, since the talks are ongoing and lawmakers have promised not to reveal details.

House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said she wanted legislation enacted within a month and said the government must “spend the money, invest the resources, give the tax relief in a way that again injects demand into the economy, puts it in the hands of those who need it most and into the middle class ... so that we can create jobs.”

For now, Bernanke was hopeful the country could skirt a dangerous downturn.

“We’re not forecasting recession but, rather, at this point, slow growth,” he told lawmakers. Still, the toll of the housing and credit debacles will be felt into early next year, he added.

Copyright 2008 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/22725498/
 

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Is the New Supply Side Better Than the Old?

Is the New Supply Side Better Than the Old?
By AUSTAN GOOLSBEE
January 20, 2008

THE presidential campaign has brought back to the fore the vexing question of how much to tax high-income Americans. For the most part, the arguments have run strictly along party lines.

The leading Democratic contenders would allow President Bush’s tax cuts to expire for the very well-off — those earning more than, say, a quarter-million dollars a year — on the grounds of restoring balance and raising money.

All the major Republican candidates have called for extending the Bush tax cuts indefinitely, and several advocate several hundred billion dollars in additional high-income cuts — on the grounds that this would help the economy grow.

The Republicans have not been shy about claiming the old mantle of supply-side economics, proclaiming that tax cuts will pay for themselves by getting people to work harder or to start their own companies.

In some circles, supply-side economics fell into disrepute because it didn’t seem to work. After all, the budget deficit exploded when the government cut taxes in the 1980s and again in the 2000s, and it disappeared when the government raised taxes in the 1990s.

But many critics have missed important research by some very prominent economists that has revived some supply-side ideas, giving them an aura of academic respectability. The leading Republican candidates do not advertise their academic influences, but they appear to have adopted these ideas.

The work of the new supply-siders shies away from the old claims that low taxes will generate an explosion of entrepreneurship or extra hours on the job. Instead, it just looks at the data. When top marginal rates fell, as they did under President Ronald Reagan in 1981 and 1986 or under President Bush in 2001 and 2003, taxpayers whose rates declined the most reported the biggest increases in income in the following years. The supply-side advocates attribute those gains to tax cuts and argue that the Laffer curve — which suggests that some tax cuts can pay for themselves — may live yet.

Some of the most important research was done by Lawrence B. Lindsey, former head of the National Economic Council under President Bush and now the senior economic adviser to the Republican presidential contender Fred D. Thompson. But the origins of the current debate, and the seriousness with which it is taken in academic circles, largely center on the work of the Harvard economist Martin Feldstein.

Professor Feldstein, head of the National Bureau of Economic Research, is perhaps the godfather of modern public-sector economics and is often cited as a potential Nobel laureate. The former chairman of President Reagan’s Council of Economic Advisers, he has always been known for his conservative views. He has brought more comprehensive data to bear and has made the most influential case; if you accept the evidence he offers, progressivity in the tax code appears very damaging. Raising taxes on high-income people seems to make the economy much less efficient and raises little revenue.

As he put it in a 2006 interview published in a magazine of the Federal Reserve Bank of Minneapolis, when you raise top marginal rates, “it shows up as lower taxable income.” He added: “A reduction in taxable income, whether it occurs because I work less or because I take my compensation in this other form, creates the same kind of inefficiency.”

But for all the renewed interest in supply-side ideas, the politicians espousing these views have missed three important points that have come out of the continuing academic debate.

First, the impact of high-income tax cuts depends on how much additional income a person can keep. When President John F. Kennedy cut top marginal rates to 70 percent from 91 percent, take-home pay more than tripled for these taxpayers, to 30 percent from 9 percent. That is a big difference. By contrast, letting the Bush tax cuts expire so top rates rise to 39.6 percent in 2011 from 35 percent, cutting the take-home share to 60.4 percent from 65 percent, hardly seems the stuff of tax revolution.

Second, other research has shown that the new supply-side movement missed a fundamental shift over the last 30 years — the dramatic, disproportionate rise in the compensation of high-income people. The new supply-siders have confused this shift with the impact of tax cuts.

An example illustrates the point: Emmanuel Saez, a professor of economics at the University of California, Berkeley, has compiled data on the incomes of the very rich from 1913 to 2006. Using his data, my calculations show that in the four years after top marginal rates were cut in 1981 and 1986, and in the three years after the rate cut of 2003, average real salaries (subtracting inflation) for the top 1 percent of earners grew 18.8 percent, 22.5 percent and 17.4 percent. But for the bottom 90 percent of earners over those periods, the average salary changes were 2.6 percent, minus 0.3 percent and minus 0.1 percent. A supply-sider might see this as evidence of the growth power of cutting top rates.

But the data also show that incomes at the top have been growing rapidly regardless of what happened to tax rates. In the four years after the increase in top marginal rates in 1993, average salaries grew 18.7 percent among the top 1 percent of earners and less than 0.1 percent for the bottom 90 percent.

Seeing the same pattern when taxes rose as when they fell indicates that tax cuts weren’t responsible. It suggests that cuts for high-income taxpayers likely gave windfalls to those whose incomes were already rising sharply because of broader market forces.

Third, recent research has documented that much of what the new supply-side economics attributed to tax cuts was really just the relabeling of income. Sometimes the increase in personal income was matched by an equal and opposite decrease in corporate income. At other times, increases in personal income turned out to be a result of corporate executives shifting the timing of their year-end compensation from a high-tax year to a low-tax year.

Shifts like these have nothing to do with supply-side economics. The academic debate continues, but thus far, the new Laffer curve has looked more like a fleeting figment of economic imagination.

That is sad, because it would be great if we could cut taxes and raise revenue at one stroke. Alas, the research suggests that we will have to pay for high-income tax cuts the old-fashioned way — by actually cutting spending or just busting the budget.

Austan Goolsbee is a professor of economics at the University of Chicago Graduate School of Business and a research fellow at the American Bar Foundation. He is advising the campaign of Senator Barack Obama of Illinois for the Democratic presidential nomination. E-mail: goolsbee@nytimes.com.

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I said before and I'll say it again. Whoever becomes the next US president will be facing the worst economic situation since the 1930's depression. The era of consumerism is over, and the US can't continue to export its wealth overseas in return for energy. It just doesn't balance.
 

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Most Americans (70%) earn less than $50,000 per year. However, taking into consideration dual income families, the average household income is much higher than $50,000. The $50,000 to $100,000 income range consist of 25% of American households while 5% earn more than $100,000 per year. Of the 105 million households in America, only 4 million households (approx. 4%) have accumulated a net worth of $1 million or more even though 30% of all Americans earn more than $50,000 per year.

What is the makeup of the 4 million households that call themselves "millionaires". The average taxable income is $131,000. Of course, income is only taxed when it is realized. Tax deferred investments are a high priority for those who desire to increase their wealth. Surprisingly, 80% of those in the millionaire status are first generation and in 70% of the households, the male contributes 80% of the income. Almost all millionaires are married (95%) and 1/2 of the wives do not work outside of the home. The number one job of wives in millionaire households is a teacher. Half of all millionaires (50%) have lived in the same home for more than 20 years. Less than 25% drive current year model cars and only a small minority ever lease autos. (see Book List - The Millionaire Next Door)

The follow list of statistics makes it clear why so few Americans are millionaires and the great need there is in our country to become better money managers: (see In The News)

70% are living paycheck to paycheck (Source: Wall Street Journal)

Less than 30% use a written monthly budget to manage household finances/

Average American spends $1.22 for every dollar they earn. (Myvesta.org, Inc

95% argue about money related topics on a regular basis

Credit Card Debt results in deaths...(Fox News, 5/13/02)

55% always or sometimes worry about money (Source: Marist Institute poll published in USA Today)

Personal saving rate in America is 3.6%, down from 8.7% in 2000. (8/31/02) (Ned Davis Research, Inc.)

62% of all American H.H. don't save or don't save regularly (Source: data from the Federal Reserve Board's Survey of Consumer Finances dating from 1998. Data released 5/13/02 in an article "New Report Finds One-Quarter Of U.S. Households Are Wealth-Poor".

Household net worth is less than $15,000 (excluding equity in house) (Source: "The Millionaire Next Door," pg. 2)

Typical non-mortgage household debt is $38,000 or more

185 mil. Americans (population of 282 million) have at least one credit card with the average number of cards per person at 6.5. (Source: www.cardweb.com)

84 mil. households (total of 105 million) have at least one credit card with the average number of cards per H.H. at 14.3. (Source: www.cardweb.com)

Average balance per H.H. (with at least one credit card) is $8,562. (Source: www.cardweb.com)

95% finance one or more autos at an average of $375/mo. for 60 months

Household debt as % of disposable income exceeds 100% (Source: Federal Reserve)

Personal debt as a % of net worth is 27.2% (6/30/02) (Ned Davis Research, Inc.)

Mortgage debt as a % of personal income is 87.54%; Consumer Credit as a % of personal income is 19.22%; Total debt as a % of personal income is 106.76%. (9/30/02) (Ned Davis Research, Inc.)

Less than 10% have computed a target goal for retirement

Only 44% of Americans are preparing for retirement

62% will retire with less than $10,000 income per year (Source: U.S. Census Bureau)

75% do not have a legal will or trust

Only 28% of people with insurance (life, auto, home, health or disability) really understood the details of their coverage-according to NAIC. (Source: The Washington Post - 3/13/03)

5 billion credit card solicitations were mailed out in 2001 (average 20 solicitations for every adult and child in the U.S.), up from 3.5 billion in 2000

Average U.S. family took on more than $1,400 in new debt during the first six months since the recession began in 3/01 - according to The Wall Street Journal.

2001 median incomes: all families = $39,900; top 10% = $169,600

2001 net worth: all families = $120,000 (whites); top 10% = $833,600
Source - Federal Reserve Consumer Finances Report


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The chart above shows the average annual income that is earned by the 104 million American households by income range. For example, 31 million of the total 104 million households in America earn between $25,000 to $50,000.

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The chart above shows that of the total 104 million households in America, only 4 million households have a net worth of $1 million or greater.

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The chart above shows that although there are approximately 40 million households in America that earn more than $50,000/yr (40%) of which 11 million earn over $100,000/yr there are only 4 million households with a net worth of $1 million or more. When in reality the typical American household has a net worth of less than $15,000.​
 

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I said before and I'll say it again. Whoever becomes the next US president will be facing the worst economic situation since the 1930's depression. The era of consumerism is over, and the US can't continue to export its wealth overseas in return for energy. It just doesn't balance.

The supply siders have made the US economy in to an investor economy. Bush said he wanted to have more tax cuts for capital gains and stock dividends, as well as inheritance tax elimination. These tax reductions do nothing for the overall health of the US economy, other than breed generations of sit on their asses, class consciences, spoiled brats. These are policies realized during the Reagan administration (Voodoo Economics as Bush 1 described them) and carried out to their natural conclusions during this Bush regime. The so called stimulus package will do nothing other than allow typical families to pay off a little dept, while the investor classes will speculate even more with US economy. And then when they fuck the economy up even more, ask the government to bail them out again. It is imperative that the next president take a long term view of fixing the economy. Planning for an economy that will create jobs that will be more than service jobs that attract low skilled illegal workers and make speculators bloat the US dept with their money mismanaging ways!
 

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Last week Bill Moyer did a show about what's really wrong with the U.S. economy. I watched the show and couldn't help noticing how much of what was said had been discussed here months ago. The thread about 400 Richest Americans reads almost exactly like what experts on the economy said during the show. The rich get rich because they feed on the poor. Warren Buffet gets 400 million from our government every year. Bill Gates is still on every government computer even though it is one of the worst operating systems ever. The real problem though is people don't do anything, we pick a president or senator and basically thats it, the money behind the parties give us our choice of poisons and we drink. Things will not change until we take back the economy, it's like Dr. King said "the problem is not with the bad people and the things they do. The problem is with the good people who sit back and do nothing".
 

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Bloomberg Rips Federal Stimulus Package
New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg castigated the White House and Congress on Wednesday for what he said was a shortsighted economic stimulus package and years of lousy financial management.

"We can't borrow our way out of this. The jig is up," Bloomberg said in prepared remarks to be delivered Wednesday evening before the U.S. Conference of Mayors, which is honoring his environmental efforts.

The billionaire mayor, who is said to be considering an independent presidential bid yet denies that he is a candidate, said the $150 billion stimulus package being hammered out between Democratic and Republican leaders won't be enough.

"There's just one problem: It's not going to make much of a difference because we've already been running huge deficits," Bloomberg said.

Some of those urging Bloomberg to run for president say his record as a CEO is his biggest selling point in a time of economic turmoil.

Despite his public denials, Bloomberg is conducting an analysis of voter data in all 50 states to better understand his chances as a third-party candidate. Aides have said he would delay a decision until after the major parties produce clear front-runners.

The metropolitan mayor used a farming analogy to heap scorn on the current crop of Washington leaders.

"They spent most of this decade running up bills with reckless abandon and when the economy started heading for the ditch, the special interest giveaways got even bigger. They ate the seed corn without worrying about the next year's harvest. Well, the next year is here, and the seed corn is gone. All we've got is a barn full of IOU's," he said.

Details of the stimulus package are still being negotiated, but the centerpiece of the measure is expected to be a tax rebate similar to the $300-$600 checks sent out in the summer of 2001. The emergency measure would more than double last year's deficit spending of $163 billion, according to new congressional budget estimates.

Bloomberg argued that the government's first goal should be to stop the bleeding in the housing sector. "What good is a rebate going to do for a family who's about to lose their home?" he argued.

source: Free Republic.com

Stimulus plan won't stop a recession
SeaCoast Online ^ | Jan. 22,2008 | Dr. Mark W. Hendrickson

Posted on 01/22/2008 4:28:19 PM PST by SeekAndFind

The dreaded "R" word — recession — is on the tip of many tongues right now.

Far be it from me to trespass on the sacred territory of the official keepers of economic data in Washington — those who officially decree the onset or end of a recession (although not until months after the fact) — but take a look around.

New home construction has declined nearly 25 percent in the last year. Those employed in the construction industry must feel like they are in a recession.

Home sales have plummeted. Lots of real-estate agents are experiencing their own recession.

In southeastern Michigan, the auto industry is doing so poorly that it feels more like a depression. Nationwide, not only are there record home foreclosures, but delinquency rates on auto loans and credit card debt are increasing at a worrisome rate.

Retail sales are down modestly year over year. If this isn't a recession, it sure seems like one.

So, what is a politician to do when confronted by these disquieting economic conditions in January of an election year? Ride to the rescue, of course.

Thus, last Thursday, Federal Reserve Board Chairman Ben Bernanke appeared before a congressional committee to appeal for an "economic stimulus" package. The very next day, President Bush and Treasury Secretary Hank Paulson echoed Bernanke's remarks.

Obviously, this was a tightly coordinated political operation, with Bernanke having been chosen to make the opening gambit. (Yes, the chairman of the Fed is supposed to be apolitical. Climate science is supposed to be apolitical, too, but in Washington, everything is political.)

The stated purpose of an "economic stimulus" package is for Uncle Sam to use fiscal policy (that is, government's taxing and spending powers) to "juice" economic activity in order to mitigate, shorten or prevent a recession. In the present case, President Bush has proposed tax rebates to individuals and tax incentives to businesses to invest, expand, and hire more workers.

Will it work? I doubt it.

I will concede that some businesses will benefit from various tax breaks, although such measures are unlikely to help the businesses that need relief the most, such as the real-estate sector. More importantly, though, these business tax breaks raise issues of fairness.

Just as recent legislative proposals to bail out holders of adjustable rate mortgages is unfair to Americans who opted for fixed-rate mortgages, so giving tax breaks to businesses for upgrading their equipment this year is unfair to their competitors who upgraded last year. On the other hand, the bipartisan willingness to accept such tax incentives is evidence that current legislators understand that taxes cripple the competitiveness and hiring ability of American companies.

This raises an important question: Why don't they permanently reduce such harmful taxes?

The lion's share of the stimulus package will be in the form of rebates to individual taxpayers — up to $800 per person in Bush's proposal. The impact of this policy is likely to be inflationary. After all, if Congress has the U.S. Treasury send out tens of billions of dollars to taxpayers to spend and doesn't reduce its own spending — which it won't — then we will instantly have a huge increase in total spending chasing after an unchanged supply of goods and services.

Presto, inflation!

And if the Treasury disgorges all those billions to taxpayers, where will it get the money to continue federal spending unabated? It will either have to go deeper into debt — debt for which the taxpayer will be liable — or their friends at the Federal Reserve will have to print more money. Wouldn't that be just what the doctor ordered now that prices are already rising?

Other than the details, it's a done deal. Can $800 apiece halt the decline in home prices, get Americans out of debt, revive the domestic auto industry, or recapitalize financial institutions that have suffered multi-billion-dollar losses? I don't think so. Politically, an economic stimulus package may buy a few votes this fall, but economically, it's essentially worthless.
 

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The Wall Street Journal
By BRIAN WESBURY
January 28, 2008; Page A15

It is hard to imagine any time in history when such rampant pessimism about the economy has existed with so little evidence of serious trouble.

True, retail sales fell 0.4% in December and fourth-quarter real GDP probably grew at only a 1.5% annual rate. It is also true that in the past six months manufacturing production has been flat, new orders for durable goods have fallen at a 0.8% annual rate, and unemployment blipped up to 5%. Soft data for sure, but nowhere near the end of the world.

It is most likely that this recent weakness is a payback for previous strength. Real GDP surged at a 4.9% annual rate in the third quarter, while retail sales jumped 1.1% in November. A one-month drop in retail sales is not unusual. In each of the past five years, retail sales have reported at least three negative months. These declines are part of the normal volatility of the data, caused by wild swings in oil prices, seasonal adjustments, or weather. Over-reacting is a mistake.

A year ago, most economic data looked much worse than they do today. Industrial production fell 1.1% during the six months ending February 2007, while new orders for durable goods fell 3.9% at an annual rate during the six months ending in November 2006. Real GDP grew just 0.6% in the first quarter of 2007 and retail sales fell in January and again in April. But the economy came back and roared in the middle of the year -- real GDP expanded 4.4% at an annual rate between April and September.

With housing so weak, the recent softness in production and durable goods orders is understandable. But housing is now a small share of GDP (4.5%). And it has fallen so much already that it is highly unlikely to drive the economy into recession all by itself. Exports are 12% of the economy, and are growing at a 13.6% rate. The boom in exports is overwhelming the loss from housing.

Personal income is up 6.1% during the year ending in November, while small-business income accelerated in October and November, during the height of the credit crisis. In fact, after subtracting income taxes, rent, mortgages, car leases and loans, debt service on credit cards and property taxes, incomes rose 3.9% faster than inflation in the year through September. Commercial paper issuance is rising again, as are mortgage applications.

Some large companies outside of finance and home building are reporting lower profits, but the over-reaction to very spotty negative news is astounding. For example, Intel's earnings disappointed, creating a great deal of fear about technology. Lost in the pessimism is the fact that 20 out of 24 S&P 500 technology companies that have reported earnings so far have beaten Wall Street estimates.

Models based on recent monetary and tax policy suggest real GDP will grow at a 3% to 3.5% rate in 2008, while the probability of recession this year is 10%. This was true before recent rate cuts and stimulus packages. Now that the Fed has cut interest rates by 175 basis points, the odds of a huge surge in growth later in 2008 have grown. The biggest threat to the economy is still inflation, not recession.

Yet many believe that a recession has already begun because credit markets have seized up. This pessimistic view argues that losses from the subprime arena are the tip of the iceberg. An economic downturn, combined with a weakened financial system, will result in a perfect storm for the multi-trillion dollar derivatives market. It is feared that cascading problems with inter-connected counterparty risk, swaps and excessive leverage will cause the entire "house of cards," otherwise known as the U.S. financial system, to collapse. At a minimum, they fear credit will contract, causing a major economic slowdown.

For many, this catastrophic outlook brings back memories of the Great Depression, when bank failures begot more bank failures, money was scarce, credit was impossible to obtain, and economic problems spread like wildfire.

This outlook is both perplexing and worrisome. Perplexing, because it is hard to see how a campfire of a problem can spread to burn down the entire forest. What Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke recently estimated as a $100 billion loss on subprime loans would represent only 0.1% of the $100 trillion in combined assets of all U.S. households and U.S. non-farm, non-financial corporations. Even if losses ballooned to $300 billion, it would represent less than 0.3% of total U.S. assets.

Beneath every dollar of counterparty risk, and every swap, derivative, or leveraged loan, is a real economic asset. The only way credit troubles could spread to take down the entire system is if the economy completely fell apart. And that only happens when government policy goes wildly off track.

In the Great Depression, the Federal Reserve allowed the money supply to collapse by 25%, which caused a dangerous deflation. In turn, this deflation caused massive bank failures. The Smoot-Hawley Tariff Act of 1930, Herbert Hoover's tax hike passed in 1932, and then FDR's alphabet soup of new agencies, regulations and anticapitalist government activity provided the coup de grace. No wonder thousands of banks failed and unemployment ballooned to 20%.

But in the U.S. today, the Federal Reserve is extremely accommodative. Not only is the federal funds rate well below the trend in nominal GDP growth, but real interest rates are low and getting lower. In addition, gold prices have almost quadrupled during the past six years, while the consumer price index rose more than 4% last year.

These monetary conditions are not conducive to a collapse of credit markets and financial institutions. Any financial institution that goes under does so because of its own mistakes, not because money was too tight. Trade protectionism has not become a reality, and while tax hikes have been proposed, Congress has been unable to push one through.

Which brings up an interesting thought: If the U.S. financial system is really as fragile as many people say, why should we go to such lengths to save it? If a $100 billion, or even $300 billion, loss in the subprime loan world can cause the entire system to collapse, maybe we should be working hard to build a better system that is stronger and more reliable.

Pumping massive amounts of liquidity into the economy and pumping up government spending by giving money away through rebates may create more problems than it helps to solve. Kicking the can down the road is not a positive policy.

The irony is almost too much to take. Yesterday everyone was worried about excessive consumer spending, a lack of saving, exploding debt levels, and federal budget deficits. Today, our government is doing just about everything in its power to help consumers borrow more at low rates, while it is running up the budget deficit to get people to spend more. This is the tyranny of the urgent in an election year and it's the development that investors should really worry about. It reads just like the 1970s.

The good news is that the U.S. financial system is not as fragile as many pundits suggest. Nor is the economy showing anything other than normal signs of stress. Assuming a 1.5% annualized growth rate in the fourth quarter, real GDP will have grown by 2.8% in the year ending in December 2007 and 3.2% in the second half during the height of the so-called credit crunch. Initial unemployment claims, a very consistent canary in the coal mine for recessions, are nowhere near a level of concern.

Because all debt rests on a foundation of real economic activity, and the real economy is still resilient, the current red alert about a crashing house of cards looks like another false alarm. Warren Buffett, Wilbur Ross and Bank of America are buying, and there is still $1.1 trillion in corporate cash on the books. The bench of potential buyers on the sidelines is deep and strong. Dow 15,000 looks much more likely than Dow 10,000. Keep the faith and stay invested. It's a wonderful buying opportunity.

Mr. Wesbury is chief economist for First Trust Portfolios, L.P.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB120147855494820719.html?mod=opinion_main_commentaries
 

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How out of touch are these Wall Street types? After the end of Mondays trading the S&P gained over 100 points, despite the lower housing numbers. I guess the new tact is to try and ignore the realities. They are setting themselves up for as bigger fall. These money changers need to feel the economic pain that most other Americans are feeling.

source: CNN Money.com

New home sales: Biggest drop ever
Weak December sales caps 2007's record slide, with prices for the month off sharply from a year earlier.


By Chris Isidore, CNNMoney.com senior writer
January 28 2008: 4:40 PM EST

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- New home sales posted the biggest drop on record in 2007, according to the government's latest look at the battered housing market, as a year that saw a meltdown in the mortgage market and a drop in home values ended with yet more signs of weakness.

December sales came in at an annual rate of 604,000, the Census Bureau report showed, down from 634,000 in November, which was also revised lower.

The reading was well below the consensus forecast of 645,000, according to economists surveyed by Briefing.com.

The weak December sales left full-year new home sales at 774,000, down 26 percent from the 1.05 million sales in 2006. That was the biggest drop since the government started tracking new home sales in 1963, surpassing the 23 percent decline posted in 1980.

No bottom yet Adam York, an economist with Wachovia, said the report confirms fears that the housing market won't bounce back anytime soon.

"We're expecting sales to decline into at least mid-2008," he said. "We think housing still has a long way to go."

The mortgage market woes were a major part of the problem for new home sales in 2007. Homes financed by conventional mortgages fell 27 percent, the biggest drop since the government started tracking financing in 1988.

But the weakness in prices made buyers reluctant to jump into the market, even if the availability of financing was not an issue. The number of new homes bought with cash fell nearly 24 percent, while mortgages guaranteed by federal agencies such as the Federal Housing Administration or the Veterans Administration fell 16 percent.

Existing homes post first annual price drop
There are rising concerns among economists that the problems in housing could drag the overall economy into a recession, if it hasn't done so already.

Rate cuts may not help The Federal Reserve has cited problems in housing as one of the main reasons it has cut rates by 1.75 percentage points since September. Many economists are forecasting further rate cuts at the central bank's meeting on Wednesday.

But more rate cuts might not help housing recover in the next few months.

Mike Larson, a real estate analyst with Weiss Research, expects further home price declines in the coming months due to the rising rate of unemployment.

"We've had the downturn in housing up until recently without any downturn in employment," he said. "Now if you layer on broad economic weakness on top of the glut of homes on the market, that's another reason I don't think the problem will be solved with Fed rate cuts."

Glut of home driving down prices The median price of a new home sold in December was $219,200, down 10.4 percent from $244,700 a year earlier. It was the sharpest year-over-year drop in monthly median home prices since 1970. .

This decline probably doesn't accurately capture the weakness in prices for new homes, as about three out of four builders have reported having to pay buyers' closing costs or offer other incentives such as expensive features for free in order to maintain sales.

Prices have been driven down by the glut of new homes on the market. The report showed a record 195,000 completed new homes available at the end of the period, bringing total inventory - including new homes under construction and not yet started - to 494,000, equal to a nearly 10-month supply.

Builders were finding it typically takes 6.3 months to sell a completed home in the current market, according to the report. That's the longest it's taken them to sell a complete home since March 1993.

The report is the latest sign of trouble in the overall housing market.

Last week, the National Realtors Association reported that 2007 saw the biggest drop in the pace of existing single-family homes in 27 years. It was also the first year on record that existing home prices fell. An earlier Census Bureau report showed housing starts posted their biggest drop in 27 years as well.

Homebuilders suffer The downturn in home sales has hammered the results of the nation's leading homebuilders, and experts see no hopes for a quick recovery.

Last week, Lennar (LEN, Fortune 500), the nation's biggest homebuilder, reported a $1.25 billion fourth-quarter loss, the largest in the company's history.

Earlier this month, KB Home (KBH, Fortune 500), the nation's No. 5 builder by sales, reported a fiscal fourth quarter loss that was nearly 10 times worse than forecasts. CEO Jeff Mezger told investors during an earnings call that "as we enter 2008, we see no indication markets are stabilizing."

Analysts are also forecasting that No. 2 homebuilder Centex (CTX, Fortune 500), No. 3 D.R. Horton (DHI, Fortune 500) and No. 4 Pulte Homes (PHM, Fortune 500) will all report continuing losses until at least their final quarters of this calendar year. Hovnanian Enterprises (HOV, Fortune 500), the sixth-largest homebuilder, is expected to post losses in both fiscal 2008 and 2009.

The company forecast to see the quickest return to profitability is luxury home builder Toll Brothers (TOL, Fortune 500), which is expected to post a narrow gain in the quarter ending in July. It reported its first loss as a public company in its most recent period, which ended in October.
 
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By Kevin G. Hall | McClatchy Newspapers
Posted on Friday, February 1, 2008


WASHINGTON — Breaking a four-year string of growth in hiring, employers shed jobs in January, the clearest sign yet that the U.S. economy is nearing a recession, if not already in it.

The Labor Department reported Friday that the nation's unemployment rate dropped a hair to 4.9 percent in January. But non-farm payroll employment fell by 17,000 jobs, led by declines in construction, manufacturing and even health care, which until recently had been one of the few growth sectors for employment.

The last time employment turned negative was in August 2003, and Friday's poor jobs numbers follow economic growth data earlier this week that showed that the economy grew by a scant 0.6 percent in the last three months of 2007.

Not all of the news in the Labor Department report was bad. Not only did the unemployment rate fall from 5 percent in December to 4.9 percent in January, statisticians revised upward the weak December jobs data, which had shown 18,000 new jobs. December employment actually grew by 82,000 jobs, still subpar growth but far better than the first estimates.

Together, however, these statistics point to a U.S. economy that's stalled or could be shrinking.

"We're not happy with these numbers," Commerce Secretary Carlos Gutierrez said in an interview. Nonetheless, he discounted recession concerns and predicted a rebound in the second half of 2008. "We believe we're going to continue to grow, but our growth will continue to slow."

Coming amid a tough presidential election campaign, the job numbers immediately were fodder for partisan purposes. President Bush toured a Hallmark greeting card plant in Kansas City, Mo., on Friday and said that the numbers underscored the need for the Senate to pass the $150 billion economic stimulus plan that he supports. The measure, which the House of Representatives has passed, includes tax rebates of up to $600 for most Americans and tax relief for employers.

Bush urged the Senate to act quickly next week because "the sooner we can get money into our consumers' hands, the more likely it is that this economy will get back, recover from this period of uncertainty."

But Senate Democrats want to add more direct aid for seniors and the poor and to extend unemployment benefits by 13 weeks. On Friday, they sought to score political points from the job losses.

"Even though unemployment didn't rise last month, we see from the establishment survey that the economy hasn't created new jobs in two months. ... More people are going to have difficulty finding a job," said Sen. Charles Schumer, D-N.Y., during a Joint Economic Committee hearing, which he scheduled for minutes after the new jobs numbers were released.

Schumer summoned Keith Hall, the commissioner of the Bureau of Labor Statistics, to explain Friday's numbers and questioned him like a prosecuting attorney.

Asked whether the jobs data mean a recession, Hall cautioned that "there have been periods in expansion where there has been a pause like this," and he warned against reading too much into a single month's data.

Schumer responded: "It seems clear to me, at least, that's where the data shows we're headed."

Hall later conceded that the last recession, which lasted nine months, began in March 2001 and was accompanied by a jobs contraction that month.

Still, Bush noted Friday that "the fundamentals are strong — we're just in a rough patch."

Friday's weak jobs numbers give credence to Federal Reserve Chairman Ben S. Bernanke's bold moves to knock down the Fed's benchmark lending rate by an unprecedented 1.25 percentage points over an eight-day period in late January. Critics accused him of knuckling under to pressure from Wall Street after steep stock market slides, but the recent growth and employment data show a tepid U.S. economy that needs a spark from lower interest rates.

Most mainstream economists now put the odds of a recession at 50 percent or better. But not all indicators point to a downturn. Business investment is up, non-residential construction is healthy and durable goods orders have increased.

There also was encouraging data Friday from the Institute for Supply Management. Its index of manufacturing activity rose to 50.7 from a December reading of 48.4. Any reading above 50 indicates a stable manufacturing environment.

The Manufacturers Alliance/MAPI, an industry trade group, said Friday that it expected manufacturing of consumer goods to contract. But chief economist Dan Meckstroth said production of capital goods and exports "should cushion the downturn."

Aided by a weakening U.S. dollar, exports for much of the year offset the housing sector's deep slump. But in the fourth quarter of 2007, exports accounted for less than half a percentage point of economic growth.

The BLS report on January employment: http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf

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