Now, I got another question

[QueEx]

Romney says, on day one (1) if he is elected, he will repeal the Affordable Care Act (euphemistically referred to by the Republicans as Obamacare).

Now, Muffuckka, I mean Rafuckka . . . damn, thats hard for me to say -- (but, trying again) Rafalca the dressage horse partly-owned by the Romney's provides the family a $77,000 tax credit, $2,000 of which is spent on the Muffuckka's, I mean Rafuckka's . . . sheesh, Rafalca's health care !

My question is, (actually I have two questions):

• How much does the average American family spend yearly on health care; and

• Is this why Romney won't release his tax returns ???

[QueEx]

Okay, the answer to the first question, the amount an average American
family spends on health care a year, appears to be only $1,557 a year.

But, as to my second question,

Originally Posted by thoughtone

[actinanass]

Originally Posted by QueEx

Romney says, on day one (1) if he is elected, he will repeal the Affordable Care Act (euphemistically referred to by the Republicans as Obamacare).

Now, Muffuckka, I mean Rafuckka . . . damn, thats hard for me to say -- (but, trying again) Rafalca the dressage horse partly-owned by the Romney's provides the family a $77,000 tax credit, $2,000 of which is spent on the Muffuckka's, I mean Rafuckka's . . . sheesh, Rafalca's health care !

My question is, (actually I have two questions):

• How much does the average American family spend yearly on health care; and

• Is this why Romney won't release his tax returns ???

Well, here's a question for you. Why is health care so expensive? Could it be bureaucracy?

Keep on with the tax angle que.

[QueEx]

Originally Posted by actinanass

Well, here's a question for you. Why is health care so expensive? Could it be bureaucracy?

Keep on with the tax angle que.

I don't mind answering questions Kemosabe, but I would just appreciate if you wouldn't answer my question with a question. That would be the courteous thing to do, wouldn't it ? ? ?

[actinanass]

Originally Posted by QueEx

I don't mind answering questions Kemosabe, but I would just appreciate if you wouldn't answer my question with a question. That would be the courteous thing to do, wouldn't it ? ? ?

Well, when has politics ever been "courteous" Sir Que?

[Upgrade Dave]

Originally Posted by actinanass

Well, here's a question for you. Why is health care so expensive? Could it be bureaucracy?

Keep on with the tax angle que.

Of course that's part of the problem.

Fortunately, "Obamacare" has regulations in place that made the insurance companies give back over a billion dollars in rebates, effectively bringing down the cost of coverage.
Now if we can get some more serious legislators in DC and statehouses, we can really tackle health care costs directly.

[QueEx]

Originally Posted by actinanass

Well, when has politics ever been "courteous" Sir Que?

There ought always be at least a modicum of civility in all of human intercourse.

When that is absent, I believe that so is there an absence of the probability for understanding and compromise.



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[QueEx]

Originally Posted by Upgrade Dave

Of course that's part of the problem.

Fortunately, "Obamacare" has regulations in place that made the insurance companies give back over a billion dollars in rebates, effectively bringing down the cost of coverage.
Now if we can get some more serious legislators in DC and statehouses, we can really tackle health care costs directly.

Ya know, once I thought you might be a statesman. LOL. On second thought, I think in this or another life you are/were one of the great center fielders -- playing shallow to field the dinks; and just when a sombch think he has jacked one deep, you run it down!

[thoughtone]

Originally Posted by actinanass

Well, here's a question for you. Why is health care so expensive? Could it be bureaucracy?

Keep on with the tax angle que.

You got that right. Those insurance companies have way more bureaucracy than Medicare.

[QueEx]

Good point. I had intended to ask 3A to describe the bureaucracy that he mentioned.

Here goes: 3A, what bureaucracy are you talking about ? ? ? Describe please.

[thoughtone]

Originally Posted by QueEx

Good point. I had intended to ask 3A to describe the bureaucracy that he mentioned.

Here goes: 3A, what bureaucracy are you talking about ? ? ? Describe please.

How much will you bet me that he totally skips over your specific question?

[QueEx]

Originally Posted by actinanass

Keep on with the tax angle que.

3A, its not me you have to worry about son, it is, as you say, those on "Your Side" that you have to be concerned with.

While you were chiding me:

• Repub Party boss Reince Priebus was on ABC's "This Week" calling Harry Reid a "Dirty Liar;"

• Virginia Governor Bob McDonnel was on Face the Nation talking bout how Harry Reid was reckless and saying slanderous things about Robme, and

• Senator Lindsey Graham, R-S.C., on CBS saying ole Harry is lying his ass off. LOL

Seems to me, while those three were carrying out their marching orders to go on the attack, they were successfully drawing attention to Robme's ridiculousness and stubborness in refusing to release those returns.

Thank em for me, please.

Oh, and thank them for insuring that the tax-issue won't be going away soon and the national press will Keep on with the tax angle.




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[thoughtone]

Hey triple A, you can't blame this one on the liberal media!

[Upgrade Dave]

I have decided to stop asking AAA to explain Romney's positions or to explain what he supports about Romney. First, ultimately the answer is self evident: Romney is a "R". Second, watching countless professionals who actually live this politics shit 24/7, many of whom actually get paid by Romney and his campaign, fail to explain Romney's positions with any consistency makes it unfair for me to expect a layman like AAA to be able to competently do it. If he could, he's losing money not working on the Romney campaign because they need someone who with that skillset.

[QueEx]

Originally Posted by Upgrade Dave

I have decided to stop asking AAA to explain Romney's positions or to explain what he supports about Romney. First, ultimately the answer is self evident: Romney is a "R". Second, watching countless professionals who actually live this politics shit 24/7, many of whom actually get paid by Romney and his campaign, fail to explain Romney's positions with any consistency makes it unfair for me to expect a layman like AAA to be able to competently do it. If he could, he's losing money not working on the Romney campaign because they need someone who with that skillset.

Not that you need or want my concurrence, but I do understand and agree with what you're saying. BUT, since 3A continues to defend and throw rocks (well, actually pebbles), just to keep the record straight, I feel it is my 'duty' to continue to inform

[QueEx]

Originally Posted by actinanass

Keep on with the tax angle que.

Okay,



George Will, American newspaper columnist, journalist, author and Pulitzer Prize-winner best known for his conservative commentary on politics, regarding the conventional wisdom on why Romney won't release more than two years of tax returns:

“The cost of not releasing the returns are clear. Therefore, he must have calculated that there are higher costs in releasing them.”

Originally Posted by thoughtone

Hey triple A, you can't blame this one on the liberal media!

[Upgrade Dave]

Originally Posted by QueEx

Not that you need or want my concurrence, but I do understand and agree with what you're saying. BUT, since 3A continues to defend and throw rocks (well, actually pebbles), just to keep the record straight, I feel it is my 'duty' to continue to inform

Feel free. I'm sure he's going to say something to make me change my mind.

[actinanass]

Originally Posted by QueEx

Good point. I had intended to ask 3A to describe the bureaucracy that he mentioned.

Here goes: 3A, what bureaucracy are you talking about ? ? ? Describe please.

The whole health care system. The legal paper work both hospitals, and private doctors have to fill out. All of the redundant regulations ONE must follow just to be a doctor *in any practice*.

The more regulation, the more tax burdens, the higher the cost.

[actinanass]

Originally Posted by QueEx

Okay,



George Will, American newspaper columnist, journalist, author and Pulitzer Prize-winner best known for his conservative commentary on politics, regarding the conventional wisdom on why Romney won't release more than two years of tax returns:

“The cost of not releasing the returns are clear. Therefore, he must have calculated that there are higher costs in releasing them.”

I disagree with George Will.

1. Nothing good comes from releasing taxes to a campaign that will not run on their record. This situation would be different if Obama had an economy that was blossoming *5% unemployment, 6% GDP*. The only thing a desperate Obama campaign can do is distort ANYTHING you do. That is all. Only folks who believe this bullshit are folks who would more than likely vote for Obama anyway.

2. Things like this matter if Romney accepts the media's premise of him not being conservative enough. Romney has demonstrated with his pick for VP is that he will not follow the traps McCain fell for. McCain's biggest issue was handicapping his campaign because of fear of being seen as a racist. Romney is going to make this issues based, and ideology based campaign. Therefore, it makes no difference about what President Obama may want, when it comes to tax returns. Especially when the administration have an admitted tax cheat as Treasury secretary.

3. I like George Will, but he is definitely wrong on this issue IMO.

BTW, I love Romney's pick.

[Upgrade Dave]

Originally Posted by actinanass

I disagree with George Will.

1. Nothing good comes from releasing taxes to a campaign that will not run on their record. This situation would be different if Obama had an economy that was blossoming *5% unemployment, 6% GDP*. The only thing a desperate Obama campaign can do is distort ANYTHING you do. That is all. Only folks who believe this bullshit are folks who would more than likely vote for Obama anyway.

If it was just this, you might have a point. But Romney is secretive on EVERYTHING. He hasn't been specific about anything except how he's going to "repeal Obamacare", which everyone knows it's damn near impossible for him to have the votes to do.

2. Things like this matter if Romney accepts the media's premise of him not being conservative enough. Romney has demonstrated with his pick for VP is that he will not follow the traps McCain fell for. McCain's biggest issue was handicapping his campaign because of fear of being seen as a racist. Romney is going to make this issues based, and ideology based campaign. Therefore, it makes no difference about what President Obama may want, when it comes to tax returns. Especially when the administration have an admitted tax cheat as Treasury secretary.

I highlighted one part but this whole section is nonsense.
No one in the media is saying Romney isn't "conservative" enough. In fact, it's been pretty clear that he's fought hard to appear the most conservative of the primary participants, often fighting against his own words and record as Governor of Mass. Picking Ryan actually falls in line with that theme.
The only people concerned about Romney's conservative bona fides are hard right wingers.

BTW, I love Romney's pick.

So does Barack Obama.
Now, since you don't want to talk about Romney releasing only 3/4 of one year's returns, let's talk about Ryan's budget that's so morally bankrupt the Catholic Church, not a liberal place at all, says is wrong.

[actinanass]

Originally Posted by Upgrade Dave

If it was just this, you might have a point. But Romney is secretive on EVERYTHING. He hasn't been specific about anything except how he's going to "repeal Obamacare", which everyone knows it's damn near impossible for him to have the votes to do.




I highlighted one part but this whole section is nonsense.
No one in the media is saying Romney isn't "conservative" enough. In fact, it's been pretty clear that he's fought hard to appear the most conservative of the primary participants, often fighting against his own words and record as Governor of Mass. Picking Ryan actually falls in line with that theme.
The only people concerned about Romney's conservative bona fides are hard right wingers.



So does Barack Obama.
Now, since you don't want to talk about Romney releasing only 3/4 of one year's returns, let's talk about Ryan's budget that's so morally bankrupt the Catholic Church, not a liberal place at all, says is wrong.

I'm just going to say this, and be done with this thread. BHO can like anything he wants. You can also believe anything you want, but what I believe is, Paul Ryan is what Romney needed. To be honest, I kept my mouth shut about Romney's policy because I wanted to see how serious he is about beating BHO. Picking Ryan means that he is willing to do what's needed to attack Obama's record. Obama can like this pick if he thinks fear will win him an election. However, I believe faith beats fear. If Obama, and his surrogates wanna run on fear mongering, then by all means do so. Good luck with that.

[Upgrade Dave]

What Romney needed was someone less controversial, not another lightening rod. Ryan is that with his horrendous, obscene budget proposal.
Romney just gave up Florida unless he (and you) think seniors are going to go along with making Medicare a voucher program that puts them on the private market while at the same time dismantling "Obamacare" which would force private companies to take seniors.

He's been attacking Obama's record, since before the primaries got going but this is a sign that he's "serious". You can't be serious when you type that drivel.

Pointing out your opponent's deficiencies isnt fearmongering, so relax the right wing buzzwords that are meant to excite and distort.

[actinanass]

Originally Posted by Upgrade Dave

What Romney needed was someone less controversial, not another lightening rod. Ryan is that with his horrendous, obscene budget proposal.
Romney just gave up Florida unless he (and you) think seniors are going to go along with making Medicare a voucher program that puts them on the private market while at the same time dismantling "Obamacare" which would force private companies to take seniors.

He's been attacking Obama's record, since before the primaries got going but this is a sign that he's "serious". You can't be serious when you type that drivel.

Pointing out your opponent's deficiencies isnt fearmongering, so relax the right wing buzzwords that are meant to excite and distort.

Well, we will see. I still love this pick.

What's a less "controversial" pick?

[Upgrade Dave]

Originally Posted by actinanass

Well, we will see. I still love this pick.

What's a less "controversial" pick?

Portman, even with his Bush baggage, is less controversial.
Pawlenty isn't controversial at all.

[QueEx]

Originally Posted by Upgrade Dave

You can't be serious when you type that drivel.

Pointing out your opponent's deficiencies isnt fearmongering, so relax the right wing buzzwords that are meant to excite and distort.

I was reading the exchanges above shaking my head and about to post a comment when I came across my "adopted comment" above, which literally had me in stitches !!!!

No need for me to saying anything further.

[thoughtone]

Originally Posted by actinanass

I'm just going to say this, and be done with this thread. BHO can like anything he wants. You can also believe anything you want, but what I believe is, Paul Ryan is what Romney needed. To be honest, I kept my mouth shut about Romney's policy because I wanted to see how serious he is about beating BHO. Picking Ryan means that he is willing to do what's needed to attack Obama's record. Obama can like this pick if he thinks fear will win him an election. However, I believe faith beats fear. If Obama, and his surrogates wanna run on fear mongering, then by all means do so. Good luck with that.

Originally Posted by actinanass

I'm just going to say this, and be done with this thread.

[thoughtone]

Originally Posted by actinanass

What's a less "controversial" pick?

[QueEx]

Wonder what happened to that Palin Woman

[hsm2448]

romney has probably been paying less than 10% in taxes for the past 10-15 years. when you consider that for much of the past decade the capital gains tax rate has been around 15-20 percent, then combined with insane deductions/credits such as for his horses, he's probably been paying effective tax rates around 5%. Then considering the losses that many rich folks accumulated during the great recession, maybe he hasnt paid ANYTHING for a few years.

either way, whatever is in there is so bad that he's decided he's going to disclose less than what would be expected of anyone he nominates to a cabinet level position. it must be very ugly indeed.

[thoughtone]

Originally Posted by actinanass

The whole health care system. The legal paper work both hospitals, and private doctors have to fill out. All of the redundant regulations ONE must follow just to be a doctor *in any practice*.

The more regulation, the more tax burdens, the higher the cost.

So if we eliminate the paperwork the insurance companies create, the 9 and 10 figure salaries the insurance company executives create for themselves and fancy office buildings they add on to the cost of medical care you have just saved between 14 and 20.

[QueEx]

Originally Posted by actinanass

Keep on with the tax angle que.

[QueEx]

Originally Posted by actinanass

Keep on with the tax angle que.

Okay,

Originally Posted by thoughtone

source: Huffington Post

Ann Romney: 'We've Given All You People Need To Know' About Family Finances

"we've given all you people need to know" about the family's finances. "But the more we release, the more we get attacked."

Okay, okay. Fair enough. I agree. There ought to be a limit !

Obama to Romney: Just Give us 5 years of tax returns - President Barack Obama's campaign Friday put new pressure on Mitt Romney to release more tax returns, urging the Republican to release five years of data--and in return, the Democrats will go easier on him.

"Governor Romney apparently fears that the more he offers, the more our campaign will demand that he provide," Messina wrote. "So I am prepared to provide assurances on just that point: if the Governor will release five years of returns, I commit in turn that we will not criticize him for not releasing more--neither in ads nor in other public communications or commentary for the rest of the campaign."

He sought five years of returns, from 2007 to 2012. Romney, governor of Massachusetts from 2003 to 2007, has released 2010 returns and estimates of his 2011 taxes. In 2010, he paid taxes at a 13.9 percent rate, and in 2011, he expected to pay at a 15.4 percent rate.

"In the Governor's case, a five-year release would appropriately span all the years that he has been a candidate for president," Messina said. "It would also help answer outstanding questions raised by the one return he has released to date, such as the range in the effective rates paid, the foreign accounts maintained, the foreign investments made and the types of tax shelters used."

Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2012/08/1...#storylink=cpy

Wonder what Romney's excuse will be now ???


Will Romney release those returns now ???


If not:

[QueEx]