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Thanks Camille. Not only is Florida a swing state, some early polling/analysis indicate a rather close race, but if Obama could take Florida, 2012 might be a lock.
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![]() Taking Florida makes other states like Ohio and Va or NC less urgent and Scott and the GOP know that. Pay attention to what happens in Arizona where the polling is unexpectedly (to some) tight.
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![]() BTW, anybody know which was the last state to reluctantly, begrudginly and kickingly & fucking screamingly acknowledge the Martin Luther King Holiday ? ? ?
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I've always thought that's what the "Papers Please" law was all about in the first place: an attempt to run off as many of the "Mexicans" as they could since they could see the demographics changing in their state. I give Republicans credit: they see shit happening long before Democrats do.
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It was Arizona. They only relented because the state was losing business.
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Ironically the, the former head of the DNC, Howard Dean was Governor of Vermont at the time he refuse to adopt Dr. King's holiday in Vermont. He claimed it was too expensive for the state to implement. It's still not officially recognized in Vermont. And yes, my home state, Connecticut has recognized Dr King's holiday from it's inception.
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My bad, I said Connecticut and it was New Hampshire that was the last state to recognize the federal King holiday. They were the ones celebrating "Civil Rights Day".
What happened to the voter suppression deniers?
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source: Think Progress
EXCLUSIVE: Florida Telling Hundreds Of Eligible Citizens That They Are Ineligible To Vote Florida Governor Rick Scott (R) has ordered the state to purge all “non-citizens” from the voting rolls prior to November’s election. But that list compiled by the Scott administration is so riddled with errors that, in Miami-Dade County alone, hundreds of U.S. citizens are being told they are ineligible to vote, ThinkProgress has learned exlusively. According to data from the Miami-Dade County Supervisor of Elections obtained by ThinkProgress: - 1638 people in Miami-Dade County were flagged by the state as “non-citizens” and sent letters informing them that they were ineligible to vote.You can see a similar letter sent to alleged “non-citizens” by the Broward County Supervisor of Elections HERE. (“The Supervisor of Elections… has received information that you are not a citizen of the United States.”) If recipients of the letter do not respond within 30 days — a deadline that is mere days away — they will be summarily removed from the voting rolls. The voters purged from the list, election officials tell ThinkProgress, will inevitably include fully eligible Florida voters. In short, an excess of 20 percent of the voters flagged as “non-citizens” in Miami-Dade are, in fact, citizens. And the actual number may be much higher. An analysis of the state-wide list by the Miami Herald found that “Hispanic, Democratic and independent-minded voters are the most likely to be targeted” as ineligible by the list. Conversely, “whites and Republicans are disproportionately the least-likely to face the threat of removal.” Late last year, Scott ordered his Secretary of State, Kurt Browning, to “to identify and remove non-U.S. citizens from the voter rolls.” Browning could not access to reliable citizenship data. So election officials attempted to identify non-U.S. citizens by comparing data from the state motor vehicle administration with the voting file. That process produced a massive list of 182,000 names, which Browning considered unreliable and refused to release. Browning resigned in February and Scott pressed forward with the purge. The Fair Elections Legal Network, which is challenging the purge, noted that database matching is “notoriously unreliable” and “data entry errors, similar-sounding names, and changing information can all produce false matches.” Further, some voters may have naturalized since their license information was collected. For example, Juan Artabe, a resident of Miami-Dade, was flagged as a “non-citizen” based on motor vehicle records from 2006. He became a citizen in 2008 but no one notified the state. He was able to retain his ability to vote only by sending his citizenship papers to the Supervisor of Elections. The situation in Miami-Dade is also apparent in elsewhere in Florida. According to a local reports in smaller Polk County of the 21 voters flagged by the state “nine appear to be citizens, leaving 12 as questionable.” The purge of fully eligible voters from the voting rolls by Scott could be enough to tip the balance in Florida and, perhaps, the presidential election. In 2000, the final (disputed) margin was just 537 votes.
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source: Think Progress
Virtual Blackout From National Media On Voter Suppression In Florida Florida Governor Rick Scott (R) has directed his administration to purge the state’s voting rolls of thousands of registered voters prior to the November election. But his list, which purports to include only “non-citizens,” targets mostly Democrats and Hispanics and, as ThinkProgress has documented, may disenfranchise hundreds of citizens who are eligible to vote. The story of a sitting governor of a state with a history of presidential election shenanigans knowingly purging his own, eligible constituents from the voter rolls is the definition of major news, and yet remarkably, in the first five months of the year, The Washington Post, The Wall Street Journal and USA Today have published a total of zero articles about Scott’s actions. The New York Times did slightly better, printing one story on page 16 of the Friday, May 18th edition. The article ran under the credulous headline: “Florida Steps Up Effort Against Illegal Voters.” ![]() Florida’s local newspapers, led by The Miami Herald, have been far more diligent in reporting the governor’s effort to disenfranchise eligible voters. While it may be easy to dismiss this as local fare, the implications of Scott’s purge could potentially swing the presidential election come November. Remember, months before anyone had ever heard of hanging chads, Florida Secretary of State Katherine Harris (R) conducted a similar cleansing of the voter rolls in 2000, which resulted in thousands of eligible voters being knocked off the rolls in time for the infamous Gore v. Bush election.
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The letter was part of a controversial state-led effort to rid the voter rolls of noncitizens. Similar letters were sent to other Broward County voters. Broward was following the direction of the state Division of Elections, which initially identified roughly 180,000 potential noncitizens by searching a computer database from the state's Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles. But the driver's license list doesn't automatically update when someone becomes a citizen. The state whittled that list to more than 2,600 voters and sent those names to the counties' election supervisors. A Miami Herald analysis of the list found that it was dominated by Democrats, independents and Hispanics. The largest number were from Miami-Dade, home to the state's largest foreign-born population. Any effort to remove names from Broward's voting rolls draws particular scrutiny because it is the most Democratic county in the state. It has more than 500,000 registered Democrats and could play a pivotal role in the outcome of a close presidential or U.S. Senate contest in November. Read more here: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2012/05/2...#storylink=cpy |
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So to the deniers
It's not about having an i.d., they are targeting groups that most likely won't vote for Republicans. Are there any doubters now?
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...and reinforced by Faux Snooze.
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Florida judge blocks parts of "onerous" voter registration law
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Feds to Florida: halt non-citizen voter purge The Justice Department told Florida election officials that they must stop their non-citizen voters purge.
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In case anyone is interested cspan has the congressional black congress on now discussing voter suppression. Later there is to be a discussion on getting out the black vote.
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Your move Eric!
source: Huffington Post Florida Voter Purge Will Continue, Defying Federal Warning Florida will defy a federal warning to stop purging people the state suspects aren't U.S. citizens from voter registration rolls. Despite a Justice Department letter, objections from county elections officials and evidence that a disproportionate number are voters of color, Florida Secretary of State Ken Detzner's office planned to continue scrubbing the election rolls, a spokesman said Friday. Gov. Rick Scott (R) ordered the search for potentially ineligible voters. “We have an obligation to make sure the voter rolls are accurate and we are going to continue forward and do everything that we can legally do to make sure than ineligible voters cannot vote,” said Chris Cate, a spokesman for Detzner. “We are firmly committed to doing the right thing and preventing ineligible voters from being able to cast a ballot. We are not going to give up our efforts to make sure the voter rolls are accurate." Justice Department officials declined to comment on Florida’s plans. In a letter issued late Thursday, T. Christian Herren Jr., who leads the Justice Department voting section, told Detzner that the state's plan to review the status of the 2,600 suspected non-citizens and purge them if the voters fail to prove citizenship appears to violate the 1964 Voting Rights Act and the National Voter Registration Act. Detzner has said previously that his agency has identified 182,000 voters who were not citizens by comparing voter rolls and driver's license databases. The state's driver's license data contains some citizenship information. Beginning in April, Detzner asked county election officials statewide to contact 2,600 suspect voters by mail. The letters said those who failed to provide evidence of citizenship within 30 days would be purged. They also warned that casting a ballot when ineligible constitutes a felony. "The Florida Secretary of State is being recalcitrant," said Judith Browne Dianis, co-director of The Advancement Project., a Washington-based voting rights advocacy group that last month asked the Justice Department to investigate. "He wants to move forward despite federal notice of illegality and supervisors of elections' refusal to purge voters. He should just quit it." Florida is among of a small number states, mostly in the South, covered by Section V of the Voting Rights Act, a landmark law that reinforces voting rights guaranteed in the Constitution. In five Florida counties and other states, election officials have a history of such of egregious and creative efforts to suppress black and Latino votes that any changes in voting–related policy or procedure must first be approved by the Justice Department or a panel of federal judges, Browne Dianis said. Florida failed to get clearance for its purge or its methods to identify the people the state suspects are non-citizens. Voting rights advocates have also pointed out the state motor vehicles database is an unreliable way to determine the citizenship of voters, because many people become citizens between license renewals. Moreover, in an initial list of nearly 3,000 voters the state suspects are non-citizens, blacks and Latinos were disproportionately represented, a coalition of advocacy groups said in a statement Thursday. A Miami Herald analysis found nearly 60 percent of the people on the list to be Latino. Hispanic voters constitute just 13 percent of the state's electorate, according to federal data. The National Voter Registration Act requires states to make every effort to monitor and maintain clean and accurate voter rolls, Browne Dianis said. But the same law also says efforts must take place 90 days or more before a federal election begins. Florida voters are set to vote in a primary Aug. 14 that includes candidates seeking congressional seats -- meaning the state has missed the three-month deadline. Florida interprets the laws governing voting differently, said Cate, the secretary of state's spokesman. And the state's efforts have already proven effective, he said. Cate pointed to Miami-Dade County, where warning letters were first mailed to suspect voters. Miami-Dade County election officials issued 1,570 warning letters, said Christina White, the county chief deputy supervisor of elections. Of these, 13 people responded indicating they are not citizens and have been removed from the voter rolls. One of the voters cast one ballot in 1996. Another voted once in 2000 and again in 2004. Their names will be forwarded to the state’s attorney’s office for possible prosecution as required by law, White said. However, Miami-Dade County said it will not purge other voters from the rolls because of the large number of citizens included on the state’s suspect voter list. Nearly 450 voters who received warning letters provided proof of citizenship and another 35 have made plans to do so. About 1,000 voters have not responded, White said. “The law says that the supervisor, only on a preponderance of evidence, should be removing people form the rolls,” said White. “We just didn’t feel that we didn’t have the preponderance of evidence that the supervisor needs to make a call on someone’s eligibility at this time that we haven’t heard from.” Election officials in other counties around the state -– both Democrats and Republicans -- have questioned the state’s suspect voter list and have expressed indignation about the purge. In Broward County, a 91-year-old World War II veteran was forced to provide proof of his citizenship in order to remain on the voter rolls. And in Seminole County, an election official tweeted a picture of himself with one man who received a warning letter. In the picture, the two men stood side by side, holding the suspect voter’s U.S. passport. State election officials in Colorado and New Mexico, states with significant Latino populations, have also launched efforts to identify and purge suspected non-citizens from voter rolls. Justice Department officials declined to comment Friday on those efforts. "We all benefit when [voter] list maintenance occurs within the bounds of federal law,” said Myrna Perez, senior council at New York University’s Brennan Center for Justice. “Nobody benefits form inaccurate voter rolls. But it’s also certainly the case that you have wildly different things happening not only from state to state, but sometimes from county to county.” States should make their methods for identifying and purging voters known and give voters time to object or correct errors before an election, said Perez.
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source: Think Progress
All 67 Florida Election Supervisors Suspend Governor Rick Scott’s Voter Purge On Thursday, the Justice Department demanded Florida Governor Rick Scott end his extensive purge of registered voters from the rolls because it was in violation of federal law. Scott still hasn’t formally responded but his county election supervisors have already taken action. The Palm Beach Post reports: Florida elections supervisors said Friday they will discontinue a state-directed effort to remove names from county voter rolls because they believe the state data is flawed and because the U.S. Department of Justice has said the process violates federal voting laws...Previously, the State of Florida indicated they intended to accelerate the purge. Florida has until June 6 to respond to the Justice Department.
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Republicans are against freedom
source: Think Progress In Texas, 300,000 Eligible Voters Targeted In Purge Florida voters are not the only ones who should be worried about whether their state has erroneously purged them from the list of eligible voters; the state of Texas also has a voter purge policy that erroneously targets eligible voters. The Houston Chronicle reports that, in a two year period, 300,000 eligible voters were warned that they may be removed from Texas voter rolls. Texas voter registration rates are already among the lowest in the nation, and one out of every 10 Texas voters’ registration is currently suspended. The almost 1.5 million voters who are suspended could be purged if they fail to vote in two consecutive general elections. Texas has responded to state and federal laws that require voter rolls be reviewed to remove duplicates and ineligible voters by creating an error riddled process: [A]cross Texas, such “removals” rely on outdated computer programs, faulty procedures and voter responses to generic form letters, often resulting in the wrong people being sent cancellation notices, including new homeowners, college students, Texans who work abroad and folks with common names, a Chronicle review of cancellations shows….In the two years between November 2008 and November 2010, over 300,000 valid voters were warned that they may be removed from Texas voter rolls. Eligible voters were threatened with removal most often because they failed to respond to generic form letters or because they were mistaken for someone else, which is even more worrisome given that there is a high incidence of voters sharing a name in Texas, particularly among Hispanics. Across Texas, 21% of voters who received purge letters later proved that they were eligible to vote.
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source: Think Progress
Fifteen Voters Removed In Rick Scott’s Purge Reinstated By Florida Elections Supervisors ![]() Gov. Rick Scott (R-FL) Last week, the Clay and Pinellas County Supervisors of Elections’ offices told ThinkProgress that they had already removed names from the voter rolls on the basis of not responding within 30 days to letters demanding proof of citizenship. But after the Justice Department demanded Florida Governor Rick Scott (R) end his extensive purge of registered voters from the rolls because it was in violation of federal law, all 67 county supervisors announced they would suspend the illegal removals. But what of the 14 voters in Pinellas County and the one voter in Clay County who had already been purged? According to spokeswomen for both offices, the voters in question have all been reinstated. The data processing manager for Clay County noted that the one woman removed from the rolls had already been restored. It turned out she provided documentation to the office over the weekend proving her citizenship — yet another piece of evidence that the Scott administration’s list of “sure-fire non-citizens” was riddled with an gigantic number of errors. While the decision by the county supervisors to halt the purge and reinstate the improperly removed voters represents a victory for the right to vote, the Scott administration has still not announced whether it will defy the Department of Justice and continue to purge voter rolls.
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http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/0...istration-laws
Alabama thumbs nose at federal voter registration laws Add Alabama to Florida as a scofflaw state when it comes to voter registration laws. The Justice Department is suing Florida over Gov. Rick Scott's attempt to purge voters from the rolls in violation of the National Voter Registration Act. Via Think Progress, Alabama is about to be sued by a coalition of voting rights and civil rights groups because it is out of compliance with federal law by not providing voter registration materials as is required. The Act, more commonly known as the "motor voter" law, requires that states provide voter registration forms at any office providing public assistance. In a letter sent to Alabama Secretary of State Beth Chapman and the commissioners of the Department of Human Resources and Alabama Medicaid Agency, the groups said an investigation and interviews found widespread failure to provide registration materials in DHR [Department of Human Resources] and Medicaid offices. The New York-based civil rights group Demos and the Lawyers Committee for Civil Rights Under Law and Project Vote, both out of Washington, D.C., said in a letter dated Wednesday that they want the state to develop a plan to comply with federal voting laws. The organizations said they will gladly meet with state officials and want to be apprised of the voting plans, but if a plan is not developed, they will sue after a 90-day waiting period. The state denies that it's not complying with the law, but it's rather hard to explain the numbers the investigation found, if not through negligence on the state's part. According to the letter the groups sent to Chapman, they found that "the number of voter registration applications submitted at Alabama public assistance offices decreased by more than 75 percent from its peak in 1995-1996 to the most recent reporting period of 2009-2010." During the same period, applications for food stamps increased by 60 percent. So there's been a huge increase in applicants for social services, but suddenly three-quarters of them aren't interested in voting? Alabama might be being a bit disingenuous on that one. It's the same old story: Keep the people who are most likely to vote Democratic out of the polls, by whatever means possible. As usual. |
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Might need a 2012 Voter Suppression thread with all the mess going on this election...
http://www.dailykos.com/story/2012/0...ing-Rights-Act More Than A Dog Whistle: Texas GOP Calls For Repeal of 1965 Voting Rights The Republicans might as well wear their white robes and funny hats in the daylight down in Texas. Quote:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voting_Rights_Act The Republican Party runs the State of Texas and now they want to disenfranchise non-whites again. Bunch of fucking redneck racists. |
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July 10, 2012 Texas Goes to Trial SEE: Texas NAACP, Mexican American Legislative Caucus: Federal Court Must Reject Texas' Restrictive Photo ID Law |
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source: Think Progress
Pennsylvania Republican: Voter ID Laws Are ‘Gonna Allow Governor Romney To Win’ This weekend, Pennsylvania Republican House Leader Mike Turzai (R-PA) finally admitted what so many have speculated: Voter identification efforts are meant to suppress Democratic votes in this year’s election. At the Republican State Committee meeting, Turzai took the stage and let slip the truth about why Republicans are so insistent on voter identification efforts — it will win Romney the election, he said: “We are focused on making sure that we meet our obligations that we’ve talked about for years,” said Turzai in a speech to committee members Saturday. He mentioned the law among a laundry list of accomplishments made by the GOP-run legislature.Watch it: Voter identification efforts disproportionately affect low-income voters of color, a typically Democratic demographic. Despite insistence by Republicans that the efforts are needed to prevent misconduct on election day, voter fraud is less likely than being hit by lighting.
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Pennsylvania Voter ID Law May Bar 9% From Presidential Election by Romy Varghese | July 6, 2012 http://www.bloomberg.com/news/print/...-election.html Three-quarters of a million Pennsylvanians may be denied a chance to vote in November unless they can come up with an acceptable form of identification, a tally released by the state suggests. In a move lawmakers said would deter fraud at the polls, the Republican-led Legislature passed a law in March requiring voters to have a photo ID to obtain a ballot. A comparison of registration lists and state Transportation Department records showed 758,939 people don’t have either a driver’s license or an alternative state ID, the secretary of the commonwealth said. Backed by Governor Tom Corbett, a Republican, the law was enacted as similar measures in Republican-led states drew criticism from Democrats who say they disenfranchise minority, poor and young voters. Those groups have tended to support Democrats. A voter ID law in Texas has been blocked by the U.S. Justice Department, while in Florida, which also has a photo ID requirement, federal officials have sued to halt state attempts to bar non-citizens from voting. “There is a real risk that poor people and minority voters, among others, will be discouraged from participating,” said Daniel Tokaji, who teaches at Ohio State University’s law school in Columbus and helps direct its election-law center. “These laws are likely to have a greater impact on Democratic- leaning groups of voters. It’s pretty obvious that’s why Democrats oppose these laws, and Republicans support them.” Swing State In Pennsylvania, unless voters have an acceptable alternative, such as a military ID, or obtain an ID before Nov. 6, as much as 9 percent of the state’s electorate may be denied a chance to cast a ballot in the presidential election. The swing state went for President Barack Obama, a Democrat, 55 percent to 44 percent for Republican John McCain in 2008. Almost 25 percent, or 186,830, of those who lack a driver’s license or an alternative transportation department ID are registered to vote in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania’s largest city by population, according to the state. Obama won 83 percent of the city’s vote in 2008. He carried the state by 620,478 votes, fewer than the number who may be barred from the polls Nov. 6. Republicans taking control or boosting majorities in state capitols drove “more restrictive” election laws, Tokaji said yesterday by telephone. At the start of 2011, as legislatures elected in November 2010 took their seats, only Georgia and Indiana required a photo ID to vote, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures in Denver. Spreading Requirement By November, at least 30 states will require voters to show identification to obtain a ballot, according to the conference, a nonprofit research organization. Most won’t require a photo ID. Three more -- Mississippi, New Hampshire and Wisconsin-- have enacted such laws and are in varying stages of implementing them or litigating challenges. Court action has barred enforcement of such laws in Wisconsin and Texas, where the Justice Department blocked a voter ID measure under the Voting Rights Act. The agency said the Texas statute would have a discriminatory effect on minorities. A South Carolina law that revised an earlier photo ID requirement was also rejected under the Voting Rights Act. In Pennsylvania, the American Civil Liberties Union sued in state court to overturn the law. State Representative Frank Dermody of Oakmont, the Democratic leader in the House, wrote to U.S. Attorney General Eric Holder July 2 asking him to block the statute. Dermody said it is designed “to suppress the vote of traditionally Democratic constituencies, such as minorities, the elderly and individuals with disabilities.” Contacting Voters Carol Aichele, Pennsylvania’s secretary of state, said all voters who aren’t in the transportation department’s database will receive letters informing them of the law and how to get free identification cards so they can vote. Dermody said to get the state ID, voters need documents proving who they are, and cited examples of several residents who haven’t been able to obtain birth certificates or other acceptable papers. “The goal of this law is to allow every legal voter to cast a ballot, but detect and deter anyone attempting to vote illegally,” Aichele said in a statement. Acceptable forms of identification can be from accredited Pennsylvania colleges, state care facilities, U.S. passports and government employers. Proponents of the law “have been unable to produce a scintilla of evidence that voter fraud -- and particularly voter impersonation fraud -- is a problem in Pennsylvania,” Dermody said in his letter to Holder. “We need your help to protect the most sacred right we have as American citizens -- the right to vote.” |
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source: Daily Kos
Florida gets access to Homeland Security database for voter purge Gov. Rick Scott, still trying to decide 2012. (Reuters)AP is reporting that the Department of Homeland Security has granted Florida access to its Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements (SAVE) database, giving the state access to a list of resident noncitizens maintained by DHS. But there are some restrictions and some caveats, as explained by Election Smith. The key part: First, the pending agreement with Homeland Security prohibits the state of Florida from using only the name and birth date of registered voters when requesting SAVE data to verify whether registered voters are noncitizens. Second, the Division of Elections may only access the SAVE database if it provides a “unique identifier"—such as an “alien number” or a certificate number on a Certificate of Naturalization or Certificate of Citizenship—for those who it suspects may be ineligible to be registered to vote.The state doesn't—and shouldn't—require that information for voter registration. And the only information that might include a "unique identifiers" that the state has, the drivers license records, they admit is obsolete and shouldn't be used. Election Smith has this snippet from a letter Sec. of State Ken Detzner sent to the state's 67 county election supervisors, telling them not to use the existing list (which was culled from the out-of-date drivers list): The process to identify potential non-citizens will include a carefully calibrated matching process between the Florida Voter Registration System and the driver’s license records of the Florida Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles before any records are verified through SAVE. The existing file of potentially ineligible voters which was created months ago, is now outdated and will not be used as the basis for further action by the Department of State. It should be considered obsolete.So the only information the state can use to check against the SAVE database is from admittedly inaccurate and outdated information, the driver's license records. Detzner is suggesting it's only outdated because it's a few months old, but it's the same incorrect data that caught up eligible voters and citizens in its first iteration. That's supposed to be matched against a database, as Election Smith says, "created for vastly different purposes." That's bound to lead to more false matches, and more eligible voters purged off the rolls, stripped of the right to vote. The best hope we have is that the county election supervisors, who called a halt to the purge when the initial problems with the list emerged, that they'll be extremely cautious in proceeding with any database "matches." We need those elections supervisors to do the right thing, because the Republican administration in Florida is intent on continuing this purge and stealing the election.
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source: Daily Kos
Florida gets access to Homeland Security database for voter purge Gov. Rick Scott, still trying to decide 2012. (Reuters)AP is reporting that the Department of Homeland Security has granted Florida access to its Systematic Alien Verification for Entitlements (SAVE) database, giving the state access to a list of resident noncitizens maintained by DHS. But there are some restrictions and some caveats, as explained by Election Smith. The key part: First, the pending agreement with Homeland Security prohibits the state of Florida from using only the name and birth date of registered voters when requesting SAVE data to verify whether registered voters are noncitizens. Second, the Division of Elections may only access the SAVE database if it provides a “unique identifier"—such as an “alien number” or a certificate number on a Certificate of Naturalization or Certificate of Citizenship—for those who it suspects may be ineligible to be registered to vote.The state doesn't—and shouldn't—require that information for voter registration. And the only information that might include a "unique identifiers" that the state has, the drivers license records, they admit is obsolete and shouldn't be used. Election Smith has this snippet from a letter Sec. of State Ken Detzner sent to the state's 67 county election supervisors, telling them not to use the existing list (which was culled from the out-of-date drivers list): The process to identify potential non-citizens will include a carefully calibrated matching process between the Florida Voter Registration System and the driver’s license records of the Florida Department of Highway Safety and Motor Vehicles before any records are verified through SAVE. The existing file of potentially ineligible voters which was created months ago, is now outdated and will not be used as the basis for further action by the Department of State. It should be considered obsolete.So the only information the state can use to check against the SAVE database is from admittedly inaccurate and outdated information, the driver's license records. Detzner is suggesting it's only outdated because it's a few months old, but it's the same incorrect data that caught up eligible voters and citizens in its first iteration. That's supposed to be matched against a database, as Election Smith says, "created for vastly different purposes." That's bound to lead to more false matches, and more eligible voters purged off the rolls, stripped of the right to vote. The best hope we have is that the county election supervisors, who called a halt to the purge when the initial problems with the list emerged, that they'll be extremely cautious in proceeding with any database "matches." We need those elections supervisors to do the right thing, because the Republican administration in Florida is intent on continuing this purge and stealing the election.
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Re: Voter Suppression
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Pennsylvania Voter ID Law Trial Set To Begin But State Concedes It Has No Proof Of In-Person Voter Fraud
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When I read this:
I thought about this: . . . and wonder what the answer is, now. ? ? ? |
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They won't answer. It's hard to defend an indefensible position for too long. So they'll just be silent and hope this thread drops off and they can rehash that bullshit in another one like they haven't already been exposed.
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A man must be both stupid and uncharitable who believes there is no virtue or truth but on his own side.-Joseph Addison
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Re: Voter Suppression
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I'm perplexed at how much the so called Black posters defend the conservative white political line. In light of how many Black folks were killed, maimed and intimidated in to not voting. Again it's that confederate educational system.
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Last edited by thoughtone; 07-25-2012 at 10:16 AM. |
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