***Official Alternative Natural Health/Food/Bodybuilding Thread***

[MrBee]

Originally Posted by NinjaspiT

http://www.videolan.org/vlc/

Thank you...

[VAiz4hustlaz]

Originally Posted by NinjaspiT

Thats what im trying to understand?

So is he saying that humans were designed to eat meat?

We have incisors, which are designed to tear flesh, so that's an indicator right there.

[malaki]

humans weren't designed. there are native cultures that eat damn near every variety of food imaginable including plants and meat. but the bottom line is unless you're eating 100% free range grass eating meat its a bad idea to eat the eat we have available. most of the meat you can find in our enviroment is shot up with antibiotics, hormones, the animal was standing in pools of shit most of its life etc.

[CoTtOnMoUf]

just ordered my Vita-Mix 5200 and she assured me it will be here tomorrow.

$375.00 w/ free shipping (factory reconditioned but with the same 7 year full warrantee as the new one! no-brainer!)

the wife and i have been dabbling with the raw thing for a few months now, but now we bout to step our game up and get serious with this shit!

we plan to be 100% raw by new years 2010













oh, and by the way, to my fellow bodybuilders out there, i saw this interesting picture on the net claiming the difference between using meat as primary protein source vs. plant protein.

[youngfocus]

Originally Posted by VAiz4hustlaz

We have incisors, which are designed to tear flesh, so that's an indicator right there.

Our "incisors" are not the same as animal incisors. Incisors are not sharp enough to bite through raw meat off a bone like an animal. For us to eat meat it must be cut off the bone and cooked. We cant go up to a cow and just go to work on it. Just because we name something "incisors" doesn't not mean we use them the same way. Just like the word car can mean Lambo and Prius all at the same time. Also it's has to do with jaw structure also. Our jaws are shaped different from animals no as strong. Also, we are able to digest raw meat, but it has to be handled with extreme care. Our stomachs are different from animals. I have no problem with people eating meat, I just want people to know that there is more in this world than just Fried Chicken and Hamburgers. My fight isn't the meat it's the processed food. You can eat all the meat you want just dont eat Oreo's over an apple. That's it.

[NinjaspiT]

Originally Posted by VAiz4hustlaz

We have incisors, which are designed to tear flesh, so that's an indicator right there.

The argument that humans are carnivores because we possess "canine" teeth ignores the facts that other plant-eaters have these same so-called canine teeth, and that only plant-eaters have molar teeth.

[NinjaspiT]

Originally Posted by CoTtOnMoUf

just ordered my Vita-Mix 5200 and she assured me it will be here tomorrow.

$375.00 w/ free shipping (factory reconditioned but with the same 7 year full warrantee as the new one! no-brainer!)

the wife and i have been dabbling with the raw thing for a few months now, but now we bout to step our game up and get serious with this shit!

we plan to be 100% raw by new years 2010













oh, and by the way, to my fellow bodybuilders out there, i saw this interesting picture on the net claiming the difference between using meat as primary protein source vs. plant protein.

The Vitmaix is the BEST! I truly miss my Vitamix since I moved.Its gonna be hectic until I get reestablished financially after the whole city move and the horrible break up with my ex,and school etc.

Good luck to you and your new lifestyle.Use that Vitamix to its upmost potential because it is VERY DOPE.

Regarding that picture,this is what I have been telling people forever.YOU DO NOT NEED MEAT PROETIN TO BULK.PLUS the aging benefits,meat deteriorates the cells in the human body.LIVE FOOD DOESNT,and HAS MORE PROTEIN!

[NinjaspiT]

Originally Posted by youngfocus

Breakthrough - A Raw Film Documentary
from www.thegardendiet.com
- A movie review by Jim Carey



Director, www.chiDiet.com
Former Director, Creative Health Institute

Mega One Link!

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Hey,the link is for Simply Raw For 30 days movie.

[NinjaspiT]

Raw Food Recipes

*updating perdiodically
Here are a few sites I use as the foundation for some of my ideas.You dont have to follow these exactly as they are,remember to use your imagination!

http://www.living-foods.com/recipes/

http://www.welikeitraw.com/rawfood/r...d-recipes.html

http://www.fromsadtoraw.com/RawRecipes.htm

*I will be updating this list periodically*

[NinjaspiT]

Raw Food/Herbal Teeth Care,Get em as WHITE as Ivory

FF to 2:51

[CoTtOnMoUf]

ok. i made my first "green" smoothie this morning and it wasn't bad tasting at all. i thought i was gonna have to "get used" to the taste but it wasn't bad at all.

i have a question. i put certified organic, shelled, hemp seeds in my smoothie. i was wondering if the hemp seeds will give me the protein i would get with the hemp protein power?

thanks.

[CoTtOnMoUf]

i'm surprised no one posted the Raw Food Bible in this thread yet.

someone posted it in another thread months ago and it is full of very interesting and "must have" information about the foods we consume.



Download it here in PDF format.

[NinjaspiT]

Originally Posted by CoTtOnMoUf

ok. i made my first "green" smoothie this morning and it wasn't bad tasting at all. i thought i was gonna have to "get used" to the taste but it wasn't bad at all.

i have a question. i put certified organic, shelled, hemp seeds in my smoothie. i was wondering if the hemp seeds will give me the protein i would get with the hemp protein power?

thanks.

Ive never messed with Shelled Hemp seeds before,but I would be more than sure that youll be getting much more protein than in the powdered form

[NinjaspiT]

Raw Cobbler Recipe:

I make this all the time,its quick easy and tastes extra good.

Your choice of Walnuts/Almonds, Sunflower Seeds/Pumpkin Seeds
2 apples
handful blueberries
handful raspeberries


First,in a food processor blend the nut mix together with Agave nectar.Take out and set aside in a pan(this is your crust)

Food process the fruit and add on top.I usually like to add a hint of Pumpmkin spice.I usually layer the cobbler.After all is done,add to the fridge for an hour-2 hours. Let settle and VIOLA

QUICK EASY,and above all HEALTHY.

[CoTtOnMoUf]

Originally Posted by NinjaspiT

Ive never messed with Shelled Hemp seeds before,but I would be more than sure that youll be getting much more protein than in the powdered form

thanks NinjaspiT.

got another question for anyone with knowledge.

i saw the vid of the lady explaining that you need to soak raw nuts before eating them because of the enzyme inhibitors. but she never said for how long do you soak them and can you put them away and eat them later or do you have to eat them right away?

thanks.

[youngfocus]

Yo have you guys heard about this? It great tasting. I want to get to a machine but it cost 4g's and I dont have the money but will make it back by selling the water.

http://www.kangenwaterusa.com/

[NinjaspiT]

Originally Posted by CoTtOnMoUf

thanks NinjaspiT.

got another question for anyone with knowledge.

i saw the vid of the lady explaining that you need to soak raw nuts before eating them because of the enzyme inhibitors. but she never said for how long do you soak them and can you put them away and eat them later or do you have to eat them right away?

thanks.

that usually depends on what kind of Nut it is.For my Cashews I usually soak them for a few hours befroe doing anything with them.Just make sure they are soft.

[Izayoi]

Originally Posted by OnSlaught

Props on the effort of the OP, but I don't understand why so many in this thread are knocking meat. In order to understand why meat is essential to human evolution you have to understand that the protein gained from different meat sources like insects, red meat, fish and crustaceans, was essential to our species becoming human in the first place. Human's ingenuity and intelligence increased when we started coming up with more and more creative ways of hunting game for our survival along with the opportunity that large quantities of proteins and essential nutrients which were derived from meat provided.

I am not knocking eating raw foods, but it definitely should be done in moderation and balance with other diets. I've read in this thread that crustaceans and different shell fish are bad for you because they are the garbage eaters of the sea. Well if that is true, then you must consider that algae and oceanic bacteria are the toilets of the sea since they are the filters and disposal units of the oceans. You guys have to use some logical reasoning. Salt water is one of the most sterile environments you can be in. Unless there are high levels of man-made chemicals being deposited into these animals (a lot which are in your own water anyway) then you don't have too much to worry about.

Eating anything raw, meat and plant, is not really how we are designed as human beings and must be done cautiously. We don't have enough gut bacteria to degrade the cell walls of very robust, fibrous plants or the proper enzymes and pH in our mouths and intestines to break down all raw meats to kill the bacteria that surrounds it.

Eating healthy is always an important part of living a fulfilling and well-rounded life, but I believe that if we used all of what is available to us on this planet as far as food sources, meat included, we would be way better off.

Stay the fuck away from too much fast food (if you can, cut it out completely), use supplements to gain the essential nutrients, vitamins, minerals and amino acids that are important for biochemical function, which are missing from both a raw and omnivorous diet and use good ol' common sense.

There is a reason we are living longer today than we did thousands of years ago and even decades ago. Plain and simple,one of the main reasons is that a lot of the food that we eat is fortified with nutrients that are not found normally in them, we have the availability of antibiotics and more protein sources.

Think about it, just about all apex predators are either omnivores or carnivores. And we didn't become the primary apex predator until we started hunting and fishing...

^^^ This

Props to the OP though because we benefit from eating more plant based non-processed foods however you choose to go about that. There isn't a one size fits all diet.

[NinjaspiT]

Originally Posted by Izayoi

^^^ This

Props to the OP though because we benefit from eating more plant based non-processed foods however you choose to go about that. There isn't a one size fits all diet.

I didnt really respond to the Comment you are agreeing on because it read absurd to me. His point is based on his assumption that this thread is about eating RAW MEAT.No where in this thread is there a mention of Raw Meat.

Your notion that implies that meat is healthy for someone is based on an cultural ignorance.

[youngfocus]

Its funny to me I haven't seen anyone in here really "knocking meat". This may be a judgment call but people say they do not eat or even talk about eating raw. People go all up in arms. What's the deal with that?

[Izayoi]

Originally Posted by NinjaspiT

I didnt really respond to the Comment you are agreeing on because it read absurd to me. His point is based on his assumption that this thread is about eating RAW MEAT.No where in this thread is there a mention of Raw Meat.

Your notion that implies that meat is healthy for someone is based on an cultural ignorance.

I didn't see Ons post to be about eating raw meat at all. He specifically discusses raw plant based foods as well.
He gave what I considered as a scientist and researcher of nutrition for a very long time a very thorough and balanced perspective of eating backed up with some science. No cultural ignorance here sir. Before you get on me about being mainstream this or that, I have been an alternative medicine practitioner (Traditional Chinese Medicine) for a very long time as well as teaching western nutrition at the University level. I don't agree with a lot that Western nutrition has to offer or say, and I have counseled many clients about alternative paradigms of health and eating.Ideally, if people's bodies weren't so polluted with PROCESSED foods then an intuitive eating style where you eat what works for YOU and YOUR body would emerge. Too much raw, cold food is specifically warned AGAINST in some cultural eating paradigms. How about that for cultural ignorance?
If eating raw everyday all day works for you then do it. It won't work for everybody because every BODY is unique. Climate also make a huge difference. Plant foods naturally come in and out of season in temperate climates for a reason.

I stand by my c/s.

P.S. I was a vegetarian and vegan for many years so this isn't coming from someone "pro-meat", anti-raw,or ignorant.

[NinjaspiT]

Originally Posted by Izayoi

I didn't see Ons post to be about eating raw meat at all. He specifically discusses raw plant based foods as well.
He gave what I considered as a scientist and researcher of nutrition for a very long time a very thorough and balanced perspective of eating backed up with some science. No cultural ignorance here sir. Before you get on me about being mainstream this or that, I have been an alternative medicine practitioner (Traditional Chinese Medicine) for a very long time as well as teaching western nutrition at the University level. I don't agree with a lot that Western nutrition has to offer or say, and I have counseled many clients about alternative paradigms of health and eating.Ideally, if people's bodies weren't so polluted with PROCESSED foods then an intuitive eating style where you eat what works for YOU and YOUR body would emerge. Too much raw, cold food is specifically warned AGAINST in some cultural eating paradigms. How about that for cultural ignorance?
If eating raw everyday all day works for you then do it. It won't work for everybody because every BODY is unique. Climate also make a huge difference. Plant foods naturally come in and out of season in temperate climates for a reason.

I stand by my c/s.

P.S. I was a vegetarian and vegan for many years so this isn't coming from someone "pro-meat", anti-raw,or ignorant.

Im not calling you or anyone else ignorant for eating and supporting meat eating.Sorry if it came across that way.

My notions are based on the fact that the meat that is eaten today, is consumed with toxins and extreme imbalances before it is slaughtered and shipped to your home,restaurants etc. Now,I agree with a "balanced" diet,and the fact that people are different is correct. If you live somewhere in an Igloo,and you need to eat blubber to stay warm than so be it.However,this thread is TAILORED for the black man and woman.These facts are based on the fact that as a MASS amount of people,we are a spiritual people. We did not eat 100% of the shit that we eat here in the USA before we got here from Africa.

A lot of the things presented in dietary terms are based on the racist notion of evolution.I do not trust ANYTHING western medicine,or nutritional facts because much of it is biased and centered for WHITE people,but put into words that it is objective.FALLACY.We are brainwashed,we ARE NOT white.WE ARE DIFFERENT physically.

The Raw Diet is the ultimate choice I believe,because the foods eaten contain MUCH less toxicity than COOKED MEAT,and overall make ANY human balanced.The black community however,after hundreds of years of NUTRICIDE need a spectacular boost.

[Izayoi]

Originally Posted by NinjaspiT

Im not calling you or anyone else ignorant for eating and supporting meat eating.Sorry if it came across that way.

My notions are based on the fact that the meat that is eaten today, is consumed with toxins and extreme imbalances before it is slaughtered and shipped to your home,restaurants etc. Now,I agree with a "balanced" diet,and the fact that people are different is correct. If you live somewhere in an Igloo,and you need to eat blubber to stay warm than so be it.However,this thread is TAILORED for the black man and woman.These facts are based on the fact that as a MASS amount of people,we are a spiritual people. We did not eat 100% of the shit that we eat here in the USA before we got here from Africa.

A lot of the things presented in dietary terms are based on the racist notion of evolution.I do not trust ANYTHING western medicine,or nutritional facts because much of it is biased and centered for WHITE people,but put into words that it is objective.FALLACY.We are brainwashed,we ARE NOT white.WE ARE DIFFERENT physically.

The Raw Diet is the ultimate choice I believe,because the foods eaten contain MUCH less toxicity than COOKED MEAT,and overall make ANY human balanced.The black community however,after hundreds of years of NUTRICIDE need a spectacular boost.

I agree with you! 100% This is why I went to West Africa recently to study cultural eating patterns- alas, colonizations has corrupted so much its hard to tell what's indigenious and what is an artifact of colonization and modernization. A lot of the street foods were fruits and roasted vegetables like yam and corn (technically a grain). Peanuts everywhere and in almost everything (I'm allergic). When meat was available the portions were MUCH smaller than anything I would ever be offered in a restaurant in the USA.

A diet high in fruits, vegetables, nuts, and seeds is absolutely a healthy and a preferred diet. Some raw/ some cooked with a very few portions weekly of fish or grass fed beef is an optimal diet for ME (this after many years of alternative diet plans), but I don't knock anyone for doing what works for them! Most of the foods marketed towards Black people are death in a package.

Any movement away from the SAD eating, encouraging exercise, and the judicious use of herbs over too many strong pharmaceuticals is a good move for black people.

That's why I enjoy these threads whether I am a raw foodie or not. I'm going to try that cobbler.

[Efkie]

Originally Posted by CoTtOnMoUf

i'm surprised no one posted the Raw Food Bible in this thread yet.

someone posted it in another thread months ago and it is full of very interesting and "must have" information about the foods we consume.



Download it here in PDF format.

Good looking, C.M.





Don't know if this book was already posted, but you can get it from his website for free.


High Raw

[Kazoo]

here is a link about Watermelon cleanse

Watermelon Cleanse


I use this periodically and it does wonders for my system

[TMNTnigg]

Dope post fam...just got this in the mail "Dick Gregory Natural Diet fot Folks who eat:Cookn with Mother Nature"

From 1973, but is nonetheless packed wit tons of info and funny lil anecdotes

Does anyone have any experiences from reading this book?
What did you gain/what gripes?

[CoTtOnMoUf]

Originally Posted by Efkie

Good looking, C.M.





Don't know if this book was already posted, but you can get it from his website for free.


High Raw

yep. i stumbled upon this book a few days ago while researching raw food lifestyles.

it's good reading.

[NinjaspiT]

Originally Posted by TMNTnigg

Dope post fam...just got this in the mail "Dick Gregory Natural Diet fot Folks who eat:Cookn with Mother Nature"

From 1973, but is nonetheless packed wit tons of info and funny lil anecdotes

Does anyone have any experiences from reading this book?
What did you gain/what gripes?

Dick gregory is a black Raw Foodist to the core.He really made the movement towards Raw Food health for black folks in particular very popular.I havent come into contact with this book but I am eagerly awaiting anything you can share with us from the book.

[CoTtOnMoUf]

Food Matters is another excellent vid about eating raw and the healing powers that result.

Ming Fei Hong dropped this vid in another thread a few months ago.

EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT VID!







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i've been looking for the Food Inc. movie to drop on the net. anybody ran across a copy yet?

[TMNTnigg]

Just watch'd that Raw for 30 Days movie and it was very encouraging...u realize that its more a wholistic change...not just changing what u eat, which is the easiest part

This is a awesome post and Ill let u know about bro. Gregory's book Ninja

[CoTtOnMoUf]

ok. i've eaten raw for 5 whole days (except for that almond butter and jelly sandwich on the 3rd day) and i've lost 8 lbs! but let me tell yall a little about my journey on this weight loss trip.

i'm 6' 3" and i've always stayed around 240-250 lbs. as an adult because i always was muscular from bodybuilding off and on for most of my life. i also smoked cigarettes for decades. about 3 years ago, i stopped smoking and immediately started gaining mad weight! i stopped going to the gym and completely let myself go. it got to the point that in february, i hit the 300 lb. mark and when i saw that on the scale, i said, fuck this shit!

so, on february 14, 2009, i bought a gym quality recumbent bike for my basement and went back to the gym and started lifting again. i cut out sodas and pretty much all sugary foods. i ate chicken, fish, lean beef, vegetables and fruits and cut down on portion size at meal times. and i lost probably 25 pounds the first 2 months. then it took me five more months to lose 20 more lbs. i put A LOT of muscle back on so i'm sure i lost more than 45 lbs of fat.

but the last 2 months or so, i've only lost maybe 5 pounds or so and i was a little frustrated with the stunted progress.

i've been hearing about eating raw for a few months now but never saw myself EVER doing it on a level that the raw fooders were doing it. but after reading this thread and doing research over the past months on it, i told myself that i'd try it for a day or two and see if it's worth the fuss.

i gotta say that these 8 pounds fell off so fast, I'M BLOWN THE FUCK AWAY! for the last few days, i lost 2 pounds a day! for the last 2 months or so i've been busting my ass at the gym and "eating right" just to lose 5 lbs. BUT IN 5 DAYS OF EATING RAW I'VE LOST 8 POUNDS! WOW! and in these five days of eating raw, i can think clearer, my skin isn't oily like it usually is, i recover beautifully after grueling strength training sessions at the gym, i'm not all sluggish after i wake up, i have more energy and i feel better than i've ever felt in decades! ALL IN 5 DAYS!

i woke up this morning and i was at 248 lbs and descending fast. i told you guys that the wife and i would be 100% raw by new years 2010. well, things have changed. i'm 100% right damned now and there ain't no looking back!

i gotta thank you NinjaspIT for starting this thread because you said that you were a bodybuilder and didn't lose, but actually gained muscle eating raw. i thought you could never make great muscle gains without eating meat. that's what made me look into raw further, and for that, i will always be grateful.

[eewwll]

Originally Posted by CoTtOnMoUf

i gotta thank you NinjaspIT for starting this thread because you said that you were a bodybuilder and didn't lose, but actually gained muscle eating raw. i thought you could never make great muscle gains without eating meat. that's what made me look into raw further, and for that, i will always be grateful.

Congrats and cosign... cant thank NinjaspiT enough for starting this thread ...

[TMNTnigg]

Originally Posted by eewwll

Congrats and cosign... cant thank NinjaspiT enough for starting this thread ...

Yeah...im very appreciative Ninja

i was eating raw for 5 days before goin on the water and lemon fast that im currently on...ithis is the 3rd day of a 3 week process..This post has totally encouraged me and others around me to start shedding these senseless pounds

I have lost about 7 lbs in the past week so im very excited..I really dont feel a need to keep this tired around my body.Im not going into hibernation anytime soon

[NinjaspiT]

BEETLE JUICE!
Unbeknownst to many individuals, when they drink certain beverages that have a reddish or dark orange tint to it, chances are they are drinking BEETLE JUICE or bug juice.

Have you ever heard of "cochineal" extract? Cochineal extract is used as coloring for certain beverages and certain women's lipstick.

However, what most folks don't know is that cochineal extract is derived from BUGS! Yes, that's right! BUGS! Consider the following:

Cochineal. Noun. 1 a scarlet dye used chiefly for coloring food; the dried bodies of a female scale insect, which are crushed to yield this dye; a similar dye or preparation made from the oak kermes insect (see kermes ). 2 ( cochineal insect) the scale insect that is used for cochineal, native to Mexico and formerly widely cultivated on cacti. Dactylopius coccus, family Dactylopiidae, suborder Homoptera. ORIGIN late 16th cent.: from French 'cochenille' or Spanish 'cochinilla,' from Latin 'coccinus' meaning, 'scarlet,' from Greek kokkos 'berry' (because the insect bodies were originally mistaken for grains or berries). Compare with coccus and kermes.

One brand that I know for sure that uses (or used to use) cochineal extract is Ocean Spray. This company used cochineal extract as a coloring in their Ruby Red Drink beverage. I don't know if Ocean Spray still manufactures this beverage, but it existed in the 1990s. When I found out that cochineal extract was derived from the cochinus (or coccinus) bug, I began calling Ruby Red Drink beverage: BEETLE JUICE!

A few cranberry juice beverages on the market also contained this bug as an ingredient it them.

And yes, ladies, some of your beloved lipsticks contain cochineal, so you very well may be smearing dried, powdered bug on your nice, luscious lips depending on what lipstick brand you use. If you really want to be sure that your brand of lipstick does not contain this particular bug, find out! Inquire! Investigate! Call the manufacturer and obtain the list of ingredients. In closing, folks, bugs do not belong in your body; and women, bugs don't belong on your lips (unless you consciously want them on your lips). If we don't become health conscious as consumers, there's no telling what may be in store for us; and Lord only knows what we have already consumed in our ignorance and unconsciousness.

We must become conscious to and about everything we are putting in and on our bodies, especially you women out there as women use a lot of products on their body under the pretenses of beauty and feminine health, hygiene, and sanitation.

[big pimp]

Originally Posted by CoTtOnMoUf

i'm surprised no one posted the Raw Food Bible in this thread yet.

someone posted it in another thread months ago and it is full of very interesting and "must have" information about the foods we consume.



Download it here in PDF format.

Props.