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Lightzoutock

01-16-2006, 07:45 AM

Is this autosurfing shit for real? Well, I took the jump. I invested $12 in the program to see if this thing is true. Not much to lose and hopefully plenty to gain. I'm gonna keep posting my daily activity in this venture to let the fam see my progress, or downfall.

My initial deposit, like I said, was $12. It took me about 15 minutes to sign up with http://www.12dailypro.com/?ref=256881 after I set up my Stormpay account. After that I started surfing for about 5min. I just clicked auto-surf and watched the screen flash every 25 seconds. I was waiting for pop-ups and shit, but nothing happened. That was it.

If anyone wants to join:
http://www.12dailypro.com/?ref=256881

If anyone has info about this auto-surfing, let me know. Tell me your story.
Good luck in all your money-making ventures!!


<a href="http://www.12dailypro.com/?ref=256881"><img src=http://www.12dailypro.com/banners/ban4.jpg border=0 width="468" height="60"></a>

Lightzoutock

01-16-2006, 12:35 PM

Day 2:

I logged in and checked my account. I was supprised to see the cash balance of $123.12. I'm not sure exactly what I did, and won't be recieving any money for a couple of weeks. But that seemed a little promising. Especially on a $12 investment. Here is a copy of the statement. Toady I surfed for about 10 minutes.

User ID: 256881

Name: Status: Active
E-mail: Upline: #254971
Upgrade: Pro Upgraded (Rate: 1) Account Expires: 2006-02-26
Account credits: 158
Active upgrades: Upgrade Package of $12.00 - Expires on 2006-01-27

Member Level: $12 (2 out of maximum 1000 Pro Upgrade Units)
(Calculated at $6 per Pro Upgrade Unit)
Cash Balance: $123.12 (Last update: 2006-01-16)
(Cashouts occur automatically when an upgrade expires)
Pending Cashouts: You have no pending cashout requests
(Detailed statements can be viewed on your account history page)

007

01-16-2006, 04:35 PM

I just signed up recently to and invested $18 when I get paid I will post a screen shot and let everyone know how it went and if it aint on some bullshit I will invest $300 more into it.

Archonic Monk

01-16-2006, 04:49 PM

I'm about to F@#ck wit this shit now

007

01-16-2006, 04:53 PM

If you fuck wit it sign up under me


<a href="http://www.12dailypro.com/?ref=254971"><img src=http://www.12dailypro.com/banners/ban8.gif border=0 ></a>

melvinb41

01-16-2006, 08:56 PM

Well just like Lightzoutock said it only takes few min to sign up to 12daily, but u will need a stormpay or e-gold, that takes only acouple mins. U can go to my website http://www.12dailypro.com/?ref=116704 and read all the info and/or go to the forum section at the top of the page, has more info and could help u get started. If u got questions email me at Melvinb42@ahoo.com, I could email u alot of information.

if u want to join go here. http://www.12dailypro.com/?ref=116704

got ?s Melvinb42@yahoo.com

Krazyjaytherapper

01-17-2006, 01:22 AM

Hello people. This site is definitely real. Everywhere I go, I try to tell people about the power of this program. I have had post about 12dailypro and people on this board thought I was some kind of con artist. The truth is, you have the power to make some pretty good income with this thing! Truely amazing! BFOAK!(BLACK FOLK ON A COME UP) :cool:

Lightzoutock

01-18-2006, 09:41 PM

Day 3:

Not much changed. No new referrals. I received about $1 added to my account. I surfed the internet for about 10 minutes. I'm gonna start searching for some similiar sites like 12dailypro.

Day 4:

Here is a copy of my summary. Remember this is on a $12 investment.

User ID: 256881

Name: Status: Active
E-mail: Upline: #254971
Upgrade: Pro Upgraded (Rate: 1) Account Expires: 2006-02-26
Account credits: 388
Active upgrades: Upgrade Package of $12.00 - Expires on 2006-01-27

Member Level: $12 (2 out of maximum 1000 Pro Upgrade Units)
(Calculated at $6 per Pro Upgrade Unit)
Cash Balance: $126.00 (Last update: 2006-01-18)
(Cashouts occur automatically when an upgrade expires)
Pending Cashouts: You have no pending cashout requests
(Detailed statements can be viewed on your account history page)

So far it seems like this program is legit. If you wanna give it a shot, sign up here: http://www.12dailypro.com/?ref=256881


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MONEYGOD

01-20-2006, 12:58 AM

can you cash out after you make money or do you have to keep your earnings in your online account

Lightzoutock

01-20-2006, 06:16 AM

can you cash out after you make money or do you have to keep your earnings in your online account

I haven't cashed out yet. I can answer that question on 1-27-2006. From what I've read, it automatically goes into my stormpay account, and I'm responsible to buy back into the program.

If your still interested, you can sign up here:
http://www.12dailypro.com/?ref=256881

Good luck!!

Lightzoutock

01-20-2006, 08:06 AM

Day 5

Not much going on. I made my 12%, which was only about $1.44. I believe my cash balance is $126 even. I guess its not that bad.

*Capo*

01-21-2006, 08:49 AM

I'm a first time poster, long time lurker (since 1998). I had to register to say something about this. At first, I was skeptical like everyone else...but I've spent the past 2 days researching the hell out of this. EVERYONE who puts money in it has been getting paid. If anyone has doubts, go to the message board which one of the guys posted above.

I did more and more research, and the newest and safest one is Alien Trust. I've dumped $1000 in it yesterday. After 14 days that first upgrade will be worth $1400. I plan on upgrading another $3000 after the funds get into my bank account. The account can compund or you can pull your money out each time your upgrade expires...also, you can withdraw any amount of money greater than $35 every Friday. Weekly payouts, compounding your funds, it's all too good.

The good thing about Alien Trust is that it is NEW...it came on board in November. I am member #10000-something. They anticipate it getting to 30,000 members in a few more months, and then payouts will be even larger. Right now it's 40% every 14 days, but it can be compounded without having to be deposited back to your Storm Pay account first (waste of time and fees).

I'd like to plug my referral as being the only guy on this forum with Alien Trust (I won't bother posting my 12DP ID since everyone is getting referrals on there).

I will make an offer of paying you the bonus I receive from your first TWO upgrades. I will pay them out each Friday after you make your first and second upgrade. I will send the funds from my Storm Pay to yours. Here is my referral ID for Alien Trust:

http://www.alientrust.com/?ref=10489 (http://www.alientrust.com/?ref=10489 )

For all the fellas in 12DP, realize that a ton of people are maxing out over there and are moving to Alien Trust to start maximizing on there. Right now they allow you to max to $16,000 worth units per upgrade. That is a profit of $6400 every 14 days. And being on board a new but reputable company is worth it. For if it does indeed fold, it won't be until you or I bought a new car with the profits on here. Email or PM me if you have any questions and I will do my best to help.

http://www.alientrust.com/?ref=10489


<a href=http://www.alientrust.com/?ref=10489><img src=http://www.alientrust.com/banners/ban3.gif border=0 width="468" height="60"></a>

Awilli1055

01-21-2006, 08:32 PM

sounds like a ponzi set up to me. jmo :smh:

Lightzoutock

01-22-2006, 04:16 PM

Day 6:

Once again, not much going on. I received my 12% today for surfing, I surfed for about 10minutes. No big deal. I cash out in 6 days. Can't wait.

If you are ready to jump on, heres the link:
http://www.12dailypro.com/?ref=256881

Lightzoutock

01-22-2006, 04:37 PM

Day 7:

Nothing special. Received 12% for surfing

Day 8:

Check this out. A guy, I referred, put in a chunk of cash. He's more of a gambler than I am, but I received 12% of his deposit. This thing is crazy. I need to refer some more katz. Here is a copy of my summary. I really hope this works out, cause I'm ready to find some other programs as well. I also put $6 in my account. So far I put in $18 total, and my cash balance is at $732.96. Amazing, but I ain't cashed no checks yet. When I do, I taking the leap!

If you wanna see how far $6 bucks can go, here's the link:
http://www.12dailypro.com/?ref=256881

User ID: 256881

Name: Status: Active
E-mail: Upline: #254971
Upgrade: Pro Upgraded (Rate: 1) Account Expires: 2006-03-04
Account credits: 673
Active upgrades: Upgrade Package of $12.00 - Expires on 2006-01-27
Upgrade Package of $6.00 - Expires on 2006-02-02

Member Level: $18 (3 out of maximum 1000 Pro Upgrade Units)
(Calculated at $6 per Pro Upgrade Unit)
Cash Balance: $732.96 (Last update: 2006-01-22)
(Cashouts occur automatically when an upgrade expires)
Pending Cashouts: You have no pending cashout requests
(Detailed statements can be viewed on your account history page)


<a href="http://www.12dailypro.com/?ref=256881"><img src=http://www.12dailypro.com/banners/ban4.jpg border=0 width="468" height="60"></a>

OTG08

01-22-2006, 06:52 PM

so whats the max allowed to invest -- 6,000?

Lightzoutock

01-22-2006, 08:58 PM

so whats the max allowed to invest -- 6,000?

Yes, the max allowed during an upgrade is $6000. I only put up $12 to see the legitimacy of the program. In a few days, upon getting paid, I will invest more. My cash out date is 1-27-06. Check out the site. Do your research. If you have any other questions, hit me up. Good luck!

Here's the link:
http://www.12dailypro.com/?ref=256881


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007

01-22-2006, 09:12 PM

*Capo*

01-24-2006, 01:36 AM

Lightzoutock I think your figures are wrong if you only invested $12 they were having problems on the site and they said some users figures will show wrong numbers but everything should be back to normal soon. I think they sent out a email. But as far as anyone new signin up I don't care who referral you sign up under just get in and make some money and tell your friends about it. I have done some research on other autosurf programs and ive noticed that when some reach a certain amount of members they don't let anyone else sign up and they go private, while some just disappear so be careful. I know people that have joined alientrust,12dailypro, and 11x11 and they havent had any problems. Me personally im a member of 12dialypro and 11x11 dont really know much about alientrust but I heard its just as good.........and NO I dont work for any of these websites....1

Alien Trust is good...so far I'm on Day 5 and each day it credits my account...even if I'm in the middle of an upgrade, I still have the option of cashing out every Friday. That makes it simple to basically cut myself a paycheck. I go to work now with a chip on my shoulder, knowing that soon I will be making double my wages just suring the internet. Like I said earlier, EVERYONE who has put money into Alien Trust and 12 Daily Pro has gotten paid...EVERYONE, no exceptions.


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Lightzoutock

01-24-2006, 09:06 AM

Lightzoutock I think your figures are wrong if you only invested $12 they were having problems on the site and they said some users figures will show wrong numbers but everything should be back to normal soon. I think they sent out a email. But as far as anyone new signin up I don't care who referral you sign up under just get in and make some money and tell your friends about it. I have done some research on other autosurf programs and ive noticed that when some reach a certain amount of members they don't let anyone else sign up and they go private, while some just disappear so be careful. I know people that have joined alientrust,12dailypro, and 11x11 and they havent had any problems. Me personally im a member of 12dialypro and 11x11 dont really know much about alientrust but I heard its just as good.........and NO I dont work for any of these websites....1

007, the balance is still the same. That problem they were having was about 4 days ago. Don't forget I also get paid for my referals' upgrades. I did the math, and it seems correct. Anyway, we'll see on the 27th. I'll keep you posted. I believe your my upline, so when I re-invest with the cash, you'll be getting paid.

Lightzoutock

01-24-2006, 09:14 AM

Day 9:

Balance is still looking good. $735.12. 3 days til I cash out. Just keeping the fam posted. Anyone interested in signing up, check out the link:

http://www.12dailypro.com/?ref=256881


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*Capo*

01-24-2006, 09:57 AM

007

01-24-2006, 08:42 PM

Lightzoutock

01-25-2006, 08:35 AM

No problem 007. You were just looking out for me anyway. I appreciate it.

I only have a few days left on my $18 investment. Hit me up if you wanna sign up or have any questions. Here's the link to sign up

http://www.12dailypro.com/?ref=256881

Day 10:

User ID: 256881 :: Click Here for 2005 Earnings Statement.

Name: Status: Active
E-mail: Upline: #254971
Upgrade: Pro Upgraded (Rate: 1) Account Expires: 2006-03-04
Account credits: 851
Active upgrades: Upgrade Package of $12.00 - Expires on 2006-01-27
Upgrade Package of $6.00 - Expires on 2006-02-02

Member Level: $18 (3 out of maximum 1000 Pro Upgrade Units)
(Calculated at $6 per Pro Upgrade Unit)
Cash Balance: $739.44 (Last update: 2006-01-25)(Cashouts occur automatically when an upgrade expires)
Pending Cashouts: You have no pending cashout requests
(Detailed statements can be viewed on your account history page)

afroyale

01-25-2006, 12:00 PM

Did 5Dayfunds.com croak?

I hope no one got burnt. As for me, I am sticking to 12Dailypro only, till the lights go out.

EDIT: It's working, just takes forever to load. Well, I aint fucking with nothing else until 2 months after my 12DP is maxed out. I am gonna build my downlines and make more money.

*Capo*

01-25-2006, 05:54 PM

Mybad lightzoutock your right I completely forgot about the referrals...man as soon as my upgrade expires im dumpin mad money back into it. Capo how much have you made with alientrust? it its poppin off as well as 12daily I will sign up under you.

Alien Trust is rolling along fine. I have $5000 in them now and 3 guys from BGOL who used my referral I'D. I am going to cash out and reinvest on Friday. now is the time to get on since its new. PM me and leave me your email addy and ill send u more info. if u are ready to sign up my referral I.d. is www.alientrust.com/?ref=10489 I will give u guys all the support u need.

1

007

01-25-2006, 06:04 PM

I just have 1 question do i have to do those missions they have posted?

monarc

01-26-2006, 12:17 AM

No 007....everyone who is one the site is on mission one. No one as of yet is on mission 2 because the site has not reached that level of membership yet. The only upside is that the admin has changed the amount of shares you can buy on mission one from 1000 to 2000 like it is on mission 2.


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*Capo*

01-26-2006, 04:00 AM

I just have 1 question do i have to do those missions they have posted?

No, you don't. They automatically bumped us up to Mission II as far as raising our credit limits, meaning you can buy up to $16,000 worth of credits. If you play the max, you will make $6400 every 14 days in profit. Not bad, huh?


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I will pay you the upgrade bonus I receive for you signing up. PM me for more details.

007

01-26-2006, 05:29 AM

aight thanks for clearing that up for me

*Capo*

01-27-2006, 01:22 PM

Sorry fellas...for some reason I couldn't log in to the forums for a few days from my home PC.

Anyways, just a heads up...Alien Trust finally switched over to their new server on RackSpace. They still have a few more things to work on...but if you are trying to sign up see if it will accept you as a new member. You may still have to wait another day or two. PM me if you want me to alert you to the status of the site.

I successfully cashed out my first $1500 today. I was very happy about that. I will reinvest most of it back into the program, as I have about $3500 still accruing in that fund until next week.

This program has changed my life, as well as many other people. We are all gonna be paid!!

http://www.alientrust.com/?ref=10489


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I will pay you the first upgrade bonus I receive for you signing up. PM me for more details.

007

01-28-2006, 10:18 AM

congradulation thats good to hear capo can a ni*gga hold sumthin? :lol: im just kiddin but keep makin that money playa

*Capo*

01-28-2006, 02:22 PM

congradulation thats good to hear capo can a ni*gga hold sumthin? :lol: im just kiddin but keep makin that money playa

No doubt....my motto is "new Cadillac by June". :)


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I will pay you the first upgrade bonus I receive for you signing up. PM me for more details.

anthonyt

01-28-2006, 09:14 PM

I am Down With This... Can Someone Hit Me Up.....

*Capo*

01-28-2006, 09:32 PM

I am Down With This... Can Someone Hit Me Up.....

I got you, dogg. Check your PM....


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I will pay you the first upgrade bonus I receive for you signing up. PM me for more details.

Lightzoutock

01-29-2006, 06:57 AM

Day 11 & 12:

Nothing went on new. No new referrals, just surfed and received my 12% as expected. My balance is steadily growing, but nothing spectacular. I can't wait to cash out and re-invest in the program to make some real dough!

http://www.12dailypro.com/?ref=256881

Lightzoutock

01-29-2006, 07:15 AM

Day 13 & 14:

Here's the deal. My cash out occurred. My payment is pending. I really hope this works. I'm not quite sure how long the process takes, but the money is not in my 12dailypro account any longer. I should be receiving $738.72 soon. I guess its on its way. I'll definitely let the fam know when it gets here.
[SIZE=3][SIZE=4]Does any experienced members know how long it takes for the money to get into my Stormpay acct?
Here's a copy of the "invoice":
User account #256881 : : Transaction History

Upgrade History

ID ExpireDate Amount Description Processor
582009 2006-01-27 $12.00 Automatically Processed Upgrade Package StormPay
648929 2006-02-02 $6.00 Automatically Processed Upgrade Package StormPay

Cashout History

ID Creation Date Amount Included Commission Associated Upgrade Processor/Paid to Status

570740 2006-01-27 $738.72 $721.44 StormPay pending

Referral Upgrade Commissions - Last 10, 20, 50, All

ID Date Amount Description Referral

475867 2006-01-16 $120.24 Level 1 Referral Upgrade Commission - Upgraded
512009 2006-01-20 $599.76 Level 1 Referral Upgrade Commission - Upgraded

583988 2006-01-26 $1.44 Level 1 Referral Upgrade Commission - Upgraded


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afroyale

01-29-2006, 08:04 AM

It takes on average 5 BUSINESS DAYS (Sat & Sun doesn't count as business days).

You should be paid some time on Fri Feb 3.

*Capo*

01-29-2006, 09:50 AM

It takes on average 5 BUSINESS DAYS (Sat & Sun doesn't count as business days).

You should be paid some time on Fri Feb 3.

I like 12DP a lot, I really do. But one of the things I like about Alien Trust is that payment is usually within 24 hours, sometimes within 2 hours! Everyone on their forum seems to rave about this every week.


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I will pay you the first upgrade bonus I receive for you signing up. PM me for more details.

007

01-31-2006, 10:37 AM

Aight Capo I'm under you. I'm now signed up with 12dailypro and AlienTrust and 11x11.biz I just got paid from 11x11 but I deleted my account because I only wanna go with the 2 most used autosurfs if anyone wanna see a screen shot let me know. LETS GET THIS MONEY.


<a href=http://www.alientrust.com/?ref=19005><img src=http://www.alientrust.com/banners/ban5.gif border=0 width="468" height="60"></a>


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*Capo*

01-31-2006, 12:28 PM

Here is one of my payouts from Alien Trust. You guys really need to get on this now while it's still new and profitable. If you need any help, all you gotta do is PM and I'll take care of setting you up.

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f265/Pablo34/alientrust.jpg


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I will pay you the first upgrade bonus I receive for you signing up. PM me for more details.

SlimKid07

01-31-2006, 04:07 PM

007

01-31-2006, 05:20 PM

If you sign up under someone else they get a percentage of the money you make. You will still earn your same amount of money regardless. I Hope this clarifys your question for you.

*Capo*

01-31-2006, 05:24 PM

Questions for Capo and others...

What are the benefits of signing under someone (referrals) rather than starting as a new member myself. Wouldn't I make more money myself rather than being under your "umbrella" or "pyramid"?

I don't need to bring anyone in to make 140% ROI every 14 days with this program. So let's say I have $5000 in Alien Trust to start...after 14 days I will have $7000 in my account (profit of $2000). That is the simplest form of the model...I do weekly withdrawals and deposits to maximize my earnings.

Bringing people in to Alien Trust has extra benefits. AT figures out what 6% of what you deposit into your account and credits me with that same dollar amount. So, if you have a couple heavy hitters in your downline, it gives you a helluva bonus.

I hope that answers your questions.


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I will pay you the first upgrade bonus I receive for you signing up. PM me for more details.

*Capo*

01-31-2006, 06:24 PM

Putting the money where my mouth is:

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f265/Pablo34/screenshot.jpg


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I will pay you the first upgrade bonus I receive for you signing up. PM me for more details.

SlimKid07

01-31-2006, 06:26 PM

cool. hit me up with an alientrust referral then if you're still handing out upgrade bonuses...

*Capo*

01-31-2006, 06:29 PM

cool. hit me up with an alientrust referral then if you're still handing out upgrade bonuses...

You need to sign up by clicking on the link so you will be in my downline, and then you need to sign up and fund your account.

http://www.alientrust.com/?ref=10489


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I will pay you the first upgrade bonus I receive for you signing up. PM me for more details.

YungDHurt

02-01-2006, 08:56 AM

Yeah cuz these sites is legit. Been doin hella research on companies like this and the first two names that have been comin up with zero complaints are AlienTrust and 12DailyPro. 12DailyPro is actually cakin niggas out and has been for like 8 months. AlienTrust has been out for a shorter time but with the constant server upgrades and a system real similiar to 12DailyPro(except AlienTrust pays your more frequently) they are in it for the long run too. I'm throwin my tax refund into this shit :lol:


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supersoaker

02-01-2006, 12:17 PM

yea i got up on the 12daily too

http://www.12dailypro.com/?ref=341566

does that alientrust work the same? who do they cash out with?

*Capo*

02-01-2006, 12:46 PM

yea i got up on the 12daily too

does that alientrust work the same? who do they cash out with?

Alien Trust uses Storm Pay....they pay usually within 24 hours, whereas 12DP takes 4-7 business days. Alien Trust is definitely superior.

http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f265/Pablo34/alientrust.jpg


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I will pay you the first upgrade bonus I receive for you signing up. PM me for more details.

new 2 this

02-01-2006, 06:21 PM

What's up BGOL? I have been peeping these threads so I decided to try it out. I signed up under Capo. I set up stormpay and put in $206(200 + 3% fee). I then sent money to Alien Trust (AT) and started surfing with the 200. Total setup including surfing takes less than 20 minutes. Cash balance at end of day 1 was $20. I surfed today for 5 minute and my balance is now $40. Capo's been real cool with the help. I know $200 isn't a lot, but it is my test. I won't bother posting a referral because Capo put me on and you can support him. So far so good, but this shit is nothing until I get cash in hand.

SlimKid07

02-01-2006, 07:00 PM

*Capo*

02-01-2006, 07:27 PM

No doubt, I signed under Capo too.

Another question, If someone is uses my referral, will Capo still get a percentage of that person under me or just from me?

Not to make this shit sound like a pyramid because its not. You can sign up by yourself.

Referrals are only for one level. Those who sign up under me are my peoples. Anybody you bring in is all for you.


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I will pay you the first upgrade bonus I receive for you signing up. PM me for more details.

VegasGuy

02-01-2006, 07:33 PM

*Capo*

02-01-2006, 07:40 PM

Aiit Capo. I clicked your link and I've signed up. Now what?

-VG

I'll hit you with a PM...


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KhilPhil

02-01-2006, 08:04 PM

No doubt, I signed under Capo too.

Another question, If someone is uses my referral, will Capo still get a percentage of that person under me or just from me?

Not to make this shit sound like a pyramid because its not. You can sign up by yourself.


<a href=http://www.alientrust.com/?ref=21107><img src=http://www.alientrust.com/banners/ban3.gif border=0 width="468" height="60"></a>

^^^^^
Get Paid

It is a pyramid... and no, Capo wont get a percentage of your referral. You should have read a little more before signing on to this thing. What did you do, close your eyes and it GO?

PS... I am invested in this shit too, the difference is I know what I got myself into. Its a gamble/ new age pyramid. Dont be fooled

new 2 this

02-01-2006, 08:41 PM

PS... I am invested in this shit too, the difference is I know what I got myself into. Its a gamble/ new age pyramid. Dont be fooled

People, please only play with $$ that you can loose. This seems good now, but always remember to use "not critical $$". Don't take away from mortgage,rent, child support or any of your bills for this.

*Capo*

02-01-2006, 09:00 PM

People, please only play with $$ that you can loose. This seems good now, but always remember to use "not critical $$". Don't take away from mortgage,rent, child support or any of your bills for this.

...Unless you're like me and want to buy a brand new car in the next 3 months. :yes:


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NySoMent

02-01-2006, 11:28 PM

Not to make anyone panic.. but word is 12dailypro is going thru alot of complications... And they are already planning to start up the next site by friday... I'm not saying that this site is shutting down.. but cuz of Fukking Stormpay.. they gotta restrategize... So u peepz don't think i'm talkin out the ass.. check this out.. its in ur 12dp news:

Originally Posted by 12DP Admin
Due to the lack of news we have right now regarding our StormPay account, we will need to wait until the morning to provide you with an update on the status of this current Stormpay/EMO situation and withdrawal schedule.

Regarding the new site: our technical and marketing staff is hard at work, basically doing a full month's work in 2 days. Our goal is to be able to launch the site by this Friday morning. We will post an update tomorrow as we have it.

We thank you all for your overwhelming support and understanding during these recent events. We must remind a few members, though, please to not provide any negative feedback to Stormpay at this time regarding these events, as we need to do everything we can at this point to retain a working relationship with them for the benefit of all of you.

We thank you in advance for all being 'pros' during this time.

Charis 12dp Admin

Just giving a heads up!!!

KhilPhil

02-01-2006, 11:31 PM

...Unless you're like me and want to buy a brand new car in the next 3 months. :yes:


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Capo.. if you take all that money and dump it in to a damn car... lol

NySoMent

02-01-2006, 11:47 PM

*Capo*

02-02-2006, 12:35 AM

check out the news on the 12dp site... if u can't find that... go into ur account.. it should be the first posted messege in the News section... it was posted abouit a hour ago...

My resources are puttin me on to alotta shit in advance.. ii'll keep ya'll posted... i promise.

Even more of a reason to move your money over to Alien Trust. I know as soon as my upgrade expires at 12DP, I'm moving it all over to AT except for maybe $10 I'll keep over there to maintain an active membership. I will be close to $10K with Alien Trust by next week.


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SlimKid07

02-02-2006, 02:43 AM

It is a pyramid... and no, Capo wont get a percentage of your referral. You should have read a little more before signing on to this thing. What did you do, close your eyes and it GO?

PS... I am invested in this shit too, the difference is I know what I got myself into. Its a gamble/ new age pyramid. Dont be fooled

Huh?? :confused: Naw son, I did read up on this and other sites. I just don't see it as the typical pyramid scheme. You right, the shit is a gamble / new age scheme.

Get in, watch your chit carefully, then get the fuck out.

afroyale

02-02-2006, 09:48 AM

Even more of a reason to move your money over to Alien Trust. I know as soon as my upgrade expires at 12DP, I'm moving it all over to AT except for maybe $10 I'll keep over there to maintain an active membership. I will be close to $10K with Alien Trust by next week.

The problem is with Stormpay. Alientrust uses Stormpay too. I bet AT has a boat load of $$$ at Stormpay because AT pays on cashout request.

Rebel-INS

02-02-2006, 04:51 PM

I suggest to everyone that has a stormpay account at 12dp to get verified with EMO ASAP.

*Capo*

02-02-2006, 05:47 PM

Storm Pay has put freezes on the accounts for 12DP, Alien Trust, and several other autosurf sites. Looks like the fucking payment processor might have turned scammer. This is about the 6th hour into this sage today. I will be on the different message boards nonstop until tomorrow. Once I get some good news, I'll be back to post it. Let's keep our fingers crossed. This is a damaging blow. What are the odds I have over $6000 in payouts that are ready to be processed tomorrow, but now I may not get those? :angry:

afroyale

02-02-2006, 05:57 PM

Who would've imagined that the payment processor would become the scammer? Day in and day out we talk about "beware of this hyip and that hyip and that autosurf".... but never beware of Stormpay.

KhilPhil

02-02-2006, 08:03 PM

NySoMent

02-02-2006, 08:09 PM

i tried to give u guys a heads up... I don't understand how Stormpay... jus fucked up all this money... they were gettin the bread coming in and out. Then they tried to monopolize on the shit... by holding the HYIPS funds and freezing them... Now they jus shutting everything down...

crazy... But it was always a gamble the whole time... props to those that broke even... i went out wit only about -$260

oh... and if u guys need cheering up... This alwayz makes me laugh... (from other forum)

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007

02-02-2006, 08:14 PM

I got money in AT, and 12daily and I thought I had to watch them when all along its was stormpay. I knew stormpay was doin sumthin shady when they told 12daily to get rid of all other payment processors. Stormpay is already gettin over with them high ass 6.9% payment charges. AINT THAT A BITCH

*Capo*

02-02-2006, 10:35 PM

I got this from another forum I go to. This is the piece of shit who stole our money. I already left a message. He sounds like real redneck scum on the voicemail. Have fun with this, fellas:

Anyone want Stormpay's number? Well, how about the extension number for the CEO, Steve Girsky. Here ya go. Have fun!

(931) 647-8750

Steve- ext. 105

*Capo*

02-02-2006, 10:55 PM

Is there anyone in Tennessee that can go pay this redneck a visit????

That would seem odd, given Stormpay's Stormpay Racing Division just signing on to a two year deal to fund expansion and operations of a auto racetrack in Clarksville at the behest of Nextel. How would they ever watch their beloved dirt track races? Besides, the real owner of Stormpay is a partner in a Clarksville law firm.

I'm not so sure the offices are gutted so much as just non-impressive (wanna see photos?) But maybe so??

The CEO of Stormpay is Steve Girsky and the President is John McConnell.

Girsky, Steven C (residence)
4987 Shadowbend Cir
Clarksville, TN 37043-9007
(931) 362-9288

Girsky, Steven C (office)
121 S Third St
Clarksville, TN 37040-3403
(931) 647-1501

Photo: http://pview.findlaw.com/view/2558419_1?noconfirm=0

Stormpay began as a Matrix scheme named TYMGlobal.com which ultimately flopped and Stormpay was created to fund their own matrixes and other matrix operations. They then became a payment processor. At first they prided themselves on supporting matrix schemes, but as the heat was turned up, they changed their terms of service to explicitly forbid matrix transactions.

At one point in time, they were prohibited from doing business in their homestate of Tennessee, and Tennessee residents who attempted to set up an account and add funds to Stormpay would get an error message stating that they were unable to accept Tennessee accounts.

Although they began as a matrix and matrix payment processor, they reportedly ultimately froze the accounts of other matrixes they had been serving, a possible precursor to their recent actions against paid to surf programs (Auto-Surfs) and high yield investment programs (HYIPs).

Stormpay is located in Clarksville, TN and their given address is about .3 miles from NetIBA. Both companies were registered by none other than Stormpay President John McConnell.

Name

I.D. Number
STORMPAY, INC.

0449997

Business Type*: CORPORATION
Profit/Nonprofit: FOR PROFIT
Status*: ACTIVE
Date of Formation/Qualification: 07/07/2003
Domestic/Foreign: DOMESTIC
Place of Incorporation/Organization: MONTGOMERY
Duration: PERPETUAL
FYC(Fiscal Year Closing) Month: DECEMBER

Principal Office:
Address Line 1: 1690 GOLF CLUB LANE
Address Line 2:
City: CLARKSVILLE
State: TN
Zip: 37043
other than USA:

Registered Agent:
Name: JOHN R. MCCONNELL, JR.
Address Line 1: 1690 GOLF CLUB LANE
Address Line 2:
City: CLARKSVILLE
State: TN
Zip: 37043

I.D. Number
NETIBA, INC.

0482353

Business Type*: CORPORATION
Profit/Nonprofit: FOR PROFIT
Status*: ACTIVE
Date of Formation/Qualification: 12/02/2004
Domestic/Foreign: DOMESTIC
Place of Incorporation/Organization: MONTGOMERY
Duration: PERPETUAL
FYC(Fiscal Year Closing) Month: DECEMBER

Principal Office:
Address Line 1: 2115 OLD ASHLAND
Address Line 2: CITY ROAD
City: CLARKSVILLE
State: TN
Zip: 37043
other than USA:

Registered Agent:
Name: JOHN R MCCONNELL JR
Address Line 1: 2115 OLD ASHLAND
Address Line 2: CITY ROAD
City: CLARKSVILLE
State: TN
Zip: 37043

Only a couple of weeks ago, Stormpay made news with it's subdivision Stormpay Racing (www.stormpay-racing.com) when it was announced that they had agreed to become corporate sponsors of Clarksville Speedway. Financial terms have not been disclosed, but it is apparently a two year deal that will help fund expansion and operating costs and includes a name change of the facility to reflect the Stormpay corporate logo. Private suites at a dirt track facility no less!

NySoMent

02-02-2006, 11:07 PM

Yo Capo... ur research skillz are really impressive famz!!!
But all in all...

Wat are we gonna do? I mean there isn't much to do... we take a loss... Theres another fucking cracka walking away wit our money ... i mean not even on a small scale.. this mofo walkin away wit money from people all over the world... this other HYIP i was in had a ez million invested... and SP jus froze the account.Fuckin holdin accounts hostage... they str8 extortin.

I guess it was... too good to be true...

Us Negroes... jus got lured right back into that BIG wooden boat... wit all those nice shiny chains and shackles again. :smh:

007

02-02-2006, 11:22 PM

Good look on the info *Capo*
and you do have a point NySoment

but I don't think 12daily is gonna go for that they had like 100,000 plus members they have more to lose then us. But fuc it for all we know 12daily could have been run by these same muthafucas. Man im so mad right i'll shoot a nigga :angry: . I SAY WE RIDE DOWN TO CLARKSVILLE AND PAY THAT NIGGA A VISIT :yes: :yes: :yes:

*Capo*

02-02-2006, 11:39 PM

I got my info from 2 sites that I frequent their forums.

www.talkgold.com

www.moneymakergroup.com

Go to the forums on each. My screenname on there is Pablo34. They are updating information by the minute in both the Alien Trust and the 12DP threads. I will keep calling that rednecks office tomorrow, also.

There are cats already making a trip to Clarksville this weekend. Class action lawsuits are about to start getting filed. I'm hoping these pussies have a sudden change of heart tomorrow and fix everything. I'm out over $10K right now. I had a payment of $4900 that was to be processed tomorrow.

Spread this to everyone you know who is in either program.

P.S. To anyone who wanted to piss all over our hustle, do not think it was the hustle we were in....it was the payment processor to the hustle. Same result, but different path.

Rebel-INS

02-03-2006, 12:38 AM

Yall are jumping the gun a little bit, I don't see this totally killing 12dp, alientrust maybe, but not 12dp.

jivemofo

02-03-2006, 06:51 AM

Yall are jumping the gun a little bit, I don't see this totally killing 12dp, alientrust maybe, but not 12dp.
sp didn't kill it, some hick fucks in utah just did.

as for now 12dp has suspened any new upgrades. some jackasses are "misrepresenting 12dp"

some people had bus cards made with 12 dp logo on it and advertised it as an investment, which 12 dp never claimed to be.

check the latest 12 dp member thread and check www.talkgold.com forums for the abc report on them and the college news report.

*Capo*

02-03-2006, 04:59 PM

I called Steve's (Storm Pay CEO) office a lil bit ago...that's his law office, the (931) 647-1501...the secretary claims he doesn't work for that firm. I asked her where does he work and she said she doesn't know. I then asked if he owned Storm Pay and she said she didn't know. THEN I asked her if a lot of people were calling there looking for him today, and she said "why do you want to know??"...then I said "because he has stolen a lot of money from a lot of people"....then she said "ohhhhh...Steve would never do that.." and HUNG UP ON ME!!

The phone number to his Storm Pay office is:

(931) 647-8750 ext. 105

I left a voicemail there last night.

*Capo*

02-03-2006, 09:04 PM

24 hour chat room for this crisis:

http://accessportal.net/ircapplet/AppletWithJS.html

/join #alientrust

jivemofo

02-03-2006, 11:01 PM

seems like sp is the fuck up for real. 12dp just made a new statement about an hour ago calling bullshit on sp.

they're working on getting us our deposits back (which i think is big of them since their tos clearly states membership fees are non-refundable) but they may have their work cut out for them since sp has randomly given some people refunds out of 12dp supposedly locked account.

this is one helluva drama going on here.

btw if anyone want to try and make some money back you can try
www.surf15daily.com/?ref=5663
:lol:

15% a day for 10 days, only accepts EMO
their commision is a one time thing, unlike 12dp so hopefully there won't be the greedy bitches coming out like in utah illegally representing 12dp.

i've only started tonight and only dropped $50 in it so not a big loss if i get fucked.

cooliojones

02-04-2006, 06:51 AM

Ya'll be better off playing lotto, at least it's backed by the government.

afroyale

02-04-2006, 10:24 AM

Ya'll be better off playing lotto, at least it's backed by the government.

And what are the odds of winning your state lottery? 1 in 1,000,000?

Government sanctioned lotteries are government sanctioned scams. They sell you 1 "hope" of becoming a millionaire for $1... hahahahahah... :lol:

??????

02-04-2006, 07:11 PM

are we fucked? what happens if 12dp was processing money out to us? damn, they fucked us good if they run away with our money.

cooliojones

02-05-2006, 11:39 AM

And what are the odds of winning your state lottery? 1 in 1,000,000?

Government sanctioned lotteries are government sanctioned scams. They sell you 1 "hope" of becoming a millionaire for $1... hahahahahah... :lol:
I'd rather play lotto and know the money is going towards education versus taking a risk in a ponzi scheme hoping to cash out and jump ship before it sinks.

afroyale

02-05-2006, 12:38 PM

I'd rather play lotto and know the money is going towards education versus taking a risk in a ponzi scheme hoping to cash out and jump ship before it sinks.

Whatever floats your boat. The last time I checked, income and sales taxes weren't meant for only government cheese. Education myass.

Any way, I personally don't know someone that has won a lottery, but I know plenty (Stormpay not included :smh: ) that have profited very well from HYIPs and Autosurfs.

*Capo*

02-05-2006, 01:56 PM

This from Alien Trust founder:

Our Final Request From StormPay
4. February 2006 @ 16:40
Good Afternoon.

In reading through some of the posts on the StormPay's Response article several members thought it wise to go ahead even at this late point, and submit our business model to StormPay so that we would indeed have proof that we submitted that information.

That seemed like a smart thing to do so I have sent that to them in an offical post on the support system there so there would be a record of it. It seems that they may have actually stopped taking support tickets there as there was no confirmation sent to me as per the norm with their system.

In any event I have kept a copy of the letter here on my PC just for future reference.

I still fail to understand why so many of you thought that we were simply going to lay down and take this without fighting back, we have no intention of letting them get away with this without a fight. I thought I made that pretty clear.

It's simply not my way to go acting like an idiot and start ranting and raving about something I have no control over. I'm not a lawyer, so obviously I have no idea what is the best way to fight them, but I do have a meeting on Monday with an attorney to figure it out.

You'll notice we deleted all the comments on the older articles, they were getting completely out of control with people cussing each other and attacking us personally as if WE took the money. Apparently StormPay has a history of poor performance that we weren't aware of.

We've been members at StormPay for several years and have never had a single problem there ever. We had no way of knowing this would happen and no foresight to see it coming.

In any event, below is the Final Request we submitted to StormPay to implore them to release our account, and as of yet have heard nothing from them.

We'll update you on events as they unfold, we made a promise early on when our back office got hacked and money was stolen from e-gold members that we would take care of them, and we did. Every last penny was restore to those members accounts and we keep our promises.

As we as a company move forward in our next venture, those that choose to remain with us will be compensated for what they lost with StormPay. I'm not sure how right now, or in what regard, and I know it will take a good deal of time to accomplish, but we keep our promises. Just like when we promised to provide a program that would allow you to earn a living online, we did.

I have to say I'm a little disheartened by all the personal attacks, funny how AT was the greatest thing since peanut butter a few days ago, but now that StormPay is trying to steal our money we're scammers and crooks, not to mention all the other horrible things I was called in some of those posts. Thick skin is one thing but man, some people are really a**holes.

From day one we have always honored every request for a refund, never once have a made any attempt to fight a claim or deny a refund. As I said we even re-imbursed members for over 6000.00 that was blatantly stolen by e-gold. The only reason AT is offline is because of this StormPay nonsense. Any if they had done some homework, or actually contacted us we'd probably still be up and running. For anyone to say that we are scammers is bullsh*t. We paid out more money, faster than any ASC site in history. We were taking in over 2000 new members per day - why?

Because we did what we said we were going to do. We paid people every Friday like clockwork with the exception of those who gave us wrong info about their payout details. If you requested cashout you got paid on Friday afternoon, Monday at the latest, so I don't want to hear anymore crap about us being a scam - we never scammed anyone! It's StormPay who scammed you, NOT US!

As many of you have seen they aren't honoring your Claims, doesn't that tell you something? They're trying to steal the money! They won't give it us - they won't give it to you - what's the only other alternative? They're keeping it - probably to build a new house or racetrack. Regardless of what you think of autosurf, HYIP, or anything else - wouldn't you agree that if StormPay decided to no longer accept a certain type of business model that all the members who paid money to that site should get their money back? Then why are they denying your claims? Simple - they are lying to you and trying to convince you that we're to blame, as if we had any control over them freezing our account?

It's a snatch and grab folks, plain and simple - they see all this money coming in to AT and 12DP and all the others and they said, "Man, how can we go about keeping all this money?" So, they change their terms of service and freeze our accounts. You'll notice that their investigation took a complete 2 days so that they would be past the window were they had to return any fees on any of these transactions. Funny how that turned out huh?

Anyway, let's keep the comments contructive so we can leave them online, we'd like to see some real information and ideas exchanged here and knock off all the flaming and personal attacks.

Here's the Final Request we submitted to SP:

Vince Kronlein
Executive Director
North Shore Media

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To: StormPay Inc.
From: North Shore Media
Subj: Requested Information On Our Company

Dear Sirs,

Recently as part of your response to the monumental business we've brought to your company and incredible profits you've received directly from us our account has been suspended for what you say is a lack of response to your repeated inquiries on the nature of our business model.

You know full well that you never requested any information from us concerning our business model, and you currently refuse to answer our repeated requests for information.

But nevertheless, I will detail for you here as an official record what our business model entails and this will serve as a legal document in court as our notification to you in response to any alleged request you made to us for a business model outline.

We will pursue legal action against StormPay Inc. for not only the 6.9 Million dollars you have stolen from us, but potential lost revenue for the future, and punitive damages as well.

Business Model Details:
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North Shore Media is, has, and always will be an advertising firm located in Wichita Falls, TX that provides advertising services for individuals and companies in the home business arena.

Our company was launched in May of 2005 and has provided these services through many different domains and programs since that time to include marathonproject.net, quikscope.com, quikhits.com, quikhitspro.com, 2X200.com, and of course alientrust.com.

The program in question (alientrust.com) has a business model quite different from the traditional autosurf models of other sites, whereas we provide advertising packages completely separate from any potential earnings that a member might make.

Once an ad buy is placed for a specific amount and is approved, the member is issued credits to promote their ad, and those credits are issued immediately to their account for use in this regard.

Members are then allowed to earn a commission for viewing the advertising of our other members.

Members understand and agree upon joining Alien Trust that they are purchasing advertising, and they have received no guarantee whatsoever of any earnings potential based on the purchase of this product. Earnings for viewing ads is accomplished completely separate from any advertising purchase.

We then allow members to view the ads of other members to earn money, based on their current active ad buy. Many members do this to earn money, some choose not to.

We also allow members to earn a single level 6% commission on the purchase of ad buys by their personally sponsored referrals. There is NO multi-level affiliate earnings whatsoever at Alien Trust.

You have recently stated that our business is a ponzi scheme. I will remind you what constitutes a ponzi scheme just so we can compare the two business models side by side.

In order to qualify as a ponzi scheme the business would need to have no product or service, no scenario to re-buy goods or services and must be predicated on the constant referral of new members/money into it in order to redistribute that money to those at the top. This is what causes the eventual collapse of the model and precisely why it's illegal.

Number 1: We do offer a complete product and service, we sell advertising products to our members that last for a specific time frame. This disqualifies us as a ponzi scheme.

Number 2: Members must re-buy more advertising once their ad buy is completed. They cannot simply advertise for free, they must pay for advertising services, this means that new money is always coming into the business. This disqualifies us as a ponzi scheme.

Number 3: Our business DOES NOT depend on new members constantly coming into the business. As a matter of fact you would see if you bothered to even read the website, we limit our business to 100,000 members and no more. Constantly re-purchased advertising packages fuels the commission process, NOT new money coming in from referrals. Granted new money from new advertisers is certainly part of the picture, but in no way is the company dependent on new advertisers to support the commissions generated through the system. This disqualifies us as a ponzi scheme.

Simply stated, you don't understand what constitutes a ponzi scheme, and you've not taken the time to review our program to make a valid determination.

I've received word that you are now arbitrarily selecting which members will receive refunds and which won't and I suggest that you cease this action as it will only cause you more harm in the long run. We will be in contact with the FBI, FTC, Secret Service and the FDIC as well as filing legal action against you if you meddle with the funds in our account.

I hereby formally urge you to reconsider your stance here as it will only serve to destroy what little reputation StormPay has left at this point.

If I do not receive a formal response to this ticket within the hour legal action and telephone calls to the above listed agencies along with all the major media companies will begin.

Understand this is NOT a threat, we will recover what you've stolen from us.

Vince Kronlein
Executive Director
North Shore Media

Lightzoutock

02-06-2006, 03:34 AM

While all of this drama is going on with Stormpay, has anyone found any other hustles out there. There has gotta be another cash-machine out there to help lighten the blow these "Stormpay Bitches" hit us with.

Down, but definitely not out!!

Krazyjaytherapper

02-06-2006, 09:46 AM

502-585-4700

that's the number where that muthafukin Stormpay CEO is located.... We need to do a massive call!!! lol :cool:

*Capo*

02-06-2006, 06:12 PM

Good Afternoon Everyone,

My apologies for not posting an update yesterday, but we really had nothing new to pass on.

We have come to a decision on where to go from here. Please understand that there is simply no way for us to please everyone, no matter what we decide to do there will be those that are no going to like it, and we understand that.

At the present time, our staff is puring through all Pending transactions and posting them back to your account balance so that we can get an accurate representation of the total damage we've incurred in this debacle.

Once this is completed, we will do a complete back up of all financial information pertaining to your account. At that point we will will clear all existing balances and keep the backup on file.

We will be keeping all the database referrals and members in place, just zeroing the member levels so that we can start fresh with a new payment processor.

WE WILL KEEP YOUR EXISTING MEMBER LEVEL AND PAYMENT INFO ON FILE FOR REPAYMENT AT A LATER DATE!

Once we get a total figure and know exactly what the damage is, we can then begin setting aside our profits in order to build a fund up to the total amount needed to refund all members. WE WILL NOT BE PROCESSING ANY EARNINGS ONLY AD BUY DOLLARS.

Please keep in mind folks that this will take some time, but we always keep our promises and we'll get this money refunded to you, even though we aren't the ones who stole it. Hopefully we can recover this through legal means and the process will go faster, but either way, we feel the same pain that all of you are feeling and we're in this with you 100%.

We'll also be ensuring that your Site Credits for your earlier purchases aren't affected, this way we are keeping our end of the bargain and providing exactly what you paid for, the advertising of your websites. Ultimately folks please remember, we're under no obligation to pay anyone to surf, we are indeed obligated to either deliver the traffic you purchased, or refund your money.

BUT... we're gonna do both! You will get your traffic, and you will get a refund. First the traffic, then the refund. As I said, just keep in mind that it will take some time for us to get back to a level where we can start getting these refunds out to you, BUT WE WILL NOT LET YOU DOWN!

So, tonight after midnight we'll get started on adjusting account balances and getting back on the road.

Right now you're asking, "What payment processors will you be taking?"

Once again, some will agree with this strategy, and some will not. But let me share with you why we got hit so hard with this and what we're doing to solve it moving forward.

Once of the main reasons we got hammered was because of our weekly commission system. In order to facilitate the weekly payout we needed to keep most of the funds from ad sales in our StormPay account in order to ensure we always had enough funds to pay the weekly commissions. Obviously, we had no way of knowing StormPay would do this to us after years of processing literally millions of dollars in fees through their company. But they have, and that's that.

So how to we improve the system so that this CAN'T happen again?

By keeping the money in the BANK! That's how. Here's how we're going to get it done.

By reading through everyone's posts there will be no way to satisfy everyone. We saw some good recommedations for processors, then a few posts later there would be someone who hated that site.

So after extensive searches and looking into quite a few payment venues we've decided to set up the following system.

Immediately tomorrow we'll begin taking E-Gold once again. They seem to have recovered nicely from their investigation and have solved most of the previous issues that concerned us most, other than the no-chargeback issue.

As soon as we get the new IPN's completed we'll begin taking Uniclear and AlertPay. Both of these companies have good reputations, and 0 complaints through the BBBonline.

As I said, we'll be accepting these as forms of payment, but we will be transferring all ad sales funds from these accounts daily to our bank which is Chase (formerly BankOne) and we will be paying out commissions bi-weekly via check directly from our bank through QChex.com.

After several days of deliberation it became clear that the ONLY way to keep from getting into this situation again was to let the bank control the money and not the processors. Using the QChex system, which has been dramatically improved with far greater security and verification will also us to send checks to all our members worldwide directly from our bank quickly and efficiently.

You as a member will be able to print our your checks directly to your printer via the web (you will need theproper printable check forms and magnetic ink, both of which a very inexpensive) within 24 hours, after which if you don't print the check out, it will be mailed directly to you.

Once again I know that some people will not like this situation, but folks you need to understand THE INDUSTRY IS BLEEDING BAD, and the only way for us to ensure the security of our money is to keep it in the bank. We all need to change the way we think about the industry, we need to get that idea of doing things the old way out of our heads and start thinking about how we can secure the industry for the future.

We all know that there's nothing illegal about our industry, we offer significant advertising value for your money, there is no more targeted advertising available online than the traffic exchange industry, period. We have real products and we pay commissions for the sales of those products.

So just to recap:

1. The database will be backed up with everyone's current member levels and credits and saved in order to refund members over time, then reset to 0 member levels to re-launch.

2. Ad credits will be available for viewing to fulfill advertising packages starting tomorrow.

3. We will be accepting new Ad Buys starting tomorrow through E-Gold, then in a few days time Uniclear and AlertPay will become available.

4. Commission checks will begin to be paid starting 1 week from this Friday directly from our Chase Bank account through QChex.com payment services.

Like I said several times I know some will not like this set up, but we have alot of confidence that this set up will be much more secure and safe over time as we move forward.

Thanks everyone and sorry once again that it took us so long to get this news to you, but we certainly had quite a lot of research to do to make sure we were making the right decision.

Have a great evening and we'll see you tomorrow.

Vince Kronlein
Executive Director
North Shore Media

007

02-08-2006, 06:48 PM

stormpay got me for a charge back but luckily I only had $64 dollars in my account. I gotta thank my nigga instincts for tellin me to spend most of it as soon as I got it. Save For What? Tomorrows Neva Promised. lol

afroyale

02-08-2006, 07:40 PM

Good for you 007. I had a $2.56 balance for the past 2 weeks, and it was still in there when I checked yesterday at 9:00PM. I think those who put in withdrawal requests and/or tickets for any issue regarding their SP accounts got chargebacks... aint that a bitch?

We gotta rebound outta this slump. I've always considered myself a calculated risk taker, but this SP shyt hit me from left field. Fuck!

007

02-08-2006, 08:07 PM

that shit fucked us all up but the most successful people in life will tell you they filed bankruptcy 3 or 4 times before they got it right. So we just gotta keep our head up

KhilPhil

02-09-2006, 09:46 AM

007

02-09-2006, 04:27 PM

Main Entry: chargeback
Part of Speech: noun
Definition: a sum of money deducted by a credit card company from a merchant to cover losses for disallowed or fraudulent transactions
Example: The chargeback makes up for the cost of returned items or incorrect orders that the customer claims were made to his or her credit card.

KhilPhil

02-09-2006, 08:15 PM